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Illegal roster? what to do (1 Viewer)

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rabiddawgs

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This is the first time this has come up in our league or 12 years.

I personally have never saw it in other leagues i have been in either.

but an owner in our league submitted an illegal roster. I am the commish and we have 2 others that help make the decisions so there is no collusion.

the bigger problem is that this person played against me and it has serious playoff implications involved.

he beat me this week but had the illegal roster.

this put me in a tie for first with another owner.

if anyone has come across this or have an opinion what is the best option to go about makeing a decision.

unfortunatly there are no rules listed that covers this problem.

i have done some research and found that since this person submitted an illegal roster therefore he is DQ'ed for that week.

 
Good Luck. The penalties for an illegal roster should have been spelled out in your rules by now. If you don't have any rules for this you are treading on thin ice. Probably the fairest thing to do is to revert back to his last legal roster.

 
Let the site run your league!

Illegal roster = 0 points.

You guys really make this too hard.

How many of you give everyone in the league a trophy for participating?

 
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harryhood said:
Phurfur said:
Let the site run your league!Illegal roster = 0 points.You guys really make this too hard.
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What if it was an honest mistake? What sites don't throw up BIG RED warnings that your roster is illegal when submitting it?
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So what if it was an honest mistake. If it is an honest mistake you don't kick him out next year. Illegal roster = 0 points. If you aren't smart enough to play FF, don't play.
 
sorry i thought i said how it was illegal.

he started 3 rb and 2 wr. supposed to be 2 rb and 3 wr.

we use cbs so yes there are big red flags that says its illegal, if i am not mistaken it even sends out an email saying so before the start of games

 
If the league rules (lineups) require him to start 2 Rbs and 3 Wrs, he did not follow the rules. I would say a 0 for the week is the correct ruling.

 
TC said:
Suggestion. Manually revert back to the last legal lineup.
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WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What would the reason be for this? This guy blew it. Are commissioners out there to baby sit for their loser owners?The only way to learn from your mistakes is to pay for them yourself.
 
rabiddawgs said:
unfortunatly there are no rules listed that covers this problem.
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No rules means a zero is not workable, IMO. I'd look at the previous week's lineup, and remove the xtra RB that wasn't in it. Still penalizes him by starting only 2 WRs without being excessive that a zero would be.
 
here is what one of the other league reps has said about what to do on the situation

We can remove the score for his highest scoring RB and add in the score of his lowest scoring WR from his bench. That allows for the maximum penalty for screwing up the roster without penalizing an entire score for the week. In this case, it would drop his score to 117.98 which would result in one loss and one win. I think that this solution would cause the least amount of bickering and have minimal impact on the standings. I know that he didn't do it intentionally.
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we will also be putting in a rule about this.
 
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Twilight said:
rabiddawgs said:
unfortunatly there are no rules listed that covers this problem.
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No rules means a zero is not workable, IMO. I'd look at the previous week's lineup, and remove the xtra RB that wasn't in it. Still penalizes him by starting only 2 WRs without being excessive that a zero would be.
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There is a rule otherwise there would not be an illegal lineup. This guy broke the rules so he gets zero points. Why do you all want to make this so hard?
 
rabiddawgs said:
sorry i thought i said how it was illegal.he started 3 rb and 2 wr. supposed to be 2 rb and 3 wr.we use cbs so yes there are big red flags that says its illegal, if i am not mistaken it even sends out an email saying so before the start of games
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We use CBS and it's hard to submit since it red flags it for you. We give the owner a zero for an illegal roster. He should not get the win!
 
rabiddawgs said:
here is what one of the other league reps has said about what to do on the situation

We can remove the score for his highest scoring RB and add in the score of his lowest scoring WR from his bench. That allows for the maximum penalty for screwing up the roster without penalizing an entire score for the week. In this case, it would drop his score to 117.98 which would result in one loss and one win. I think that this solution would cause the least amount of bickering and have minimal impact on the standings. I know that he didn't do it intentionally.
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we will also be putting in a rule about this.
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If there is no rule this is what I would do.
 
Dreamer said:
rabiddawgs said:
here is what one of the other league reps has said about what to do on the situation

We can remove the score for his highest scoring RB and add in the score of his lowest scoring WR from his bench. That allows for the maximum penalty for screwing up the roster without penalizing an entire score for the week. In this case, it would drop his score to 117.98 which would result in one loss and one win. I think that this solution would cause the least amount of bickering and have minimal impact on the standings. I know that he didn't do it intentionally.
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we will also be putting in a rule about this.
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If there is no rule this is what I would do.
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There is a rule or the lineup would not be illegal! 2 RB 3 WR
 
What did CBS give him? He got a zero, right? Where in the rules does it authorize you to change it?

I wouldn't be happy if I took a loss because the commish changed this owner's diaper and fixed his team for him.

 
A zero is a pretty harsh penalty and could affect others when determining playoff spots. With no rules in place that stipulate what to do my feeling would be to just revert to his last legal starting lineup. If any of those players were dropped or traded they get a 0.

And come up with a rule for next season!

 
Godsbrother said:
A zero is a pretty harsh penalty and could affect others when determining playoff spots. With no rules in place that stipulate what to do my feeling would be to just revert to his last legal starting lineup. If any of those players were dropped or traded they get a 0.

And come up with a rule for next season!
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Well that is the penalty in CBS and if you don't like it you should make a rule about it. What you can't do is make up a solution in the middle of a season. Everyone knew they would get a zero for an illegal lineup or they didn't read the site rules. This is the owners fault. What is wrong with you people?
 
I don't even understand how this can happen? On ESPN, I don't think that you would even be able to do this. There are specific slots for each position and it won't let you put someone in any of them if the player doesn't fit the position.

 
If CBS let him play and you have no other rule, maybe it wasn't an illegal roster after all . . .

Perhaps the website wasn't set up to avoid this situation. Tough call - I haven't used CBS in years so I can't really speculate on how it was allowed to happen.

 
Phurfur said:
Godsbrother said:
A zero is a pretty harsh penalty and could affect others when determining playoff spots. With no rules in place that stipulate what to do my feeling would be to just revert to his last legal starting lineup. If any of those players were dropped or traded they get a 0.

And come up with a rule for next season!
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Well that is the penalty in CBS and if you don't like it you should make a rule about it. What you can't do is make up a solution in the middle of a season. Everyone knew they would get a zero for an illegal lineup or they didn't read the site rules. This is the owners fault. What is wrong with you people?
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Is this a default? I have a league at CBS and nowhere does it state that you get zero points for the week. It sounds to me like there were no rules and if that is the case then you must make some kind of a ruling.
 
Phurfur said:
Twilight said:
rabiddawgs said:
unfortunatly there are no rules listed that covers this problem.
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No rules means a zero is not workable, IMO. I'd look at the previous week's lineup, and remove the xtra RB that wasn't in it. Still penalizes him by starting only 2 WRs without being excessive that a zero would be.
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There is a rule otherwise there would not be an illegal lineup. This guy broke the rules so he gets zero points. Why do you all want to make this so hard?
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because it should be about football and not about typos
 
rabiddawgs said:
cbs let him play it and gave him the points for all the players. i am not sure why it did this.
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You can set CBS to give zero points for an illegal lineup or have it set to just flag it as illegal. In this case it sounds like this league was setup to only give a warning. In that case it is up to the commish to make a ruling. Without any rules in place I would just revert back to his last legal lineup.
 
Phurfur said:
Godsbrother said:
A zero is a pretty harsh penalty and could affect others when determining playoff spots. With no rules in place that stipulate what to do my feeling would be to just revert to his last legal starting lineup. If any of those players were dropped or traded they get a 0.

And come up with a rule for next season!
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Well that is the penalty in CBS and if you don't like it you should make a rule about it. What you can't do is make up a solution in the middle of a season. Everyone knew they would get a zero for an illegal lineup or they didn't read the site rules. This is the owners fault. What is wrong with you people?
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Who is the commissioner of the league? The OP, or some random programmer at cbssports?
 
Godsbrother said:
Phurfur said:
Godsbrother said:
A zero is a pretty harsh penalty and could affect others when determining playoff spots. With no rules in place that stipulate what to do my feeling would be to just revert to his last legal starting lineup. If any of those players were dropped or traded they get a 0.

And come up with a rule for next season!
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Well that is the penalty in CBS and if you don't like it you should make a rule about it. What you can't do is make up a solution in the middle of a season. Everyone knew they would get a zero for an illegal lineup or they didn't read the site rules. This is the owners fault. What is wrong with you people?
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Is this a default? I have a league at CBS and nowhere does it state that you get zero points for the week. It sounds to me like there were no rules and if that is the case then you must make some kind of a ruling.
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There is an option on CBS under roster settings to check off, illegal rosters do not tabulate points, or something like that. Since his illegal lineup calculated a score I'm assuming this option was not checked off. So technically there isn't a rule in place for an illegal lineup.
 
If a team has 12 men on the field on a play, they don't forfeit the game.

Give him a zero for the extra RB, and a zero for the missing WR.

 
4x champ said:
There is an option on CBS under roster settings to check off, illegal rosters do not tabulate points, or something like that. Since his illegal lineup calculated a score I'm assuming this option was not checked off. So technically there isn't a rule in place for an illegal lineup.
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:thumbup: The commish should do one of the following:

1) Give zero for the entire lineup

2) Revert back to last legal lineup

3) Remove the points accrued by the players that made the lineup illegal.

 
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Ozymandias said:
If a team has 12 men on the field on a play, they don't forfeit the game. Give him a zero for the extra RB, and a zero for the missing WR.
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The question then becomes which RB was the extra one? I suppose you take the one that accrued the most points...
 
Our league rule is to eliminate the highest scoring player that would make the line-up legal, but we don't have a requirment that all positions must be filled. In this case, we would simply delete the highest scoring RB. He would just have one less starter that week

 
rabiddawgs said:
sorry i thought i said how it was illegal.he started 3 rb and 2 wr. supposed to be 2 rb and 3 wr.we use cbs so yes there are big red flags that says its illegal, if i am not mistaken it even sends out an email saying so before the start of games
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We already have a rule in place in the event this happens, and it actually did happen about 4 weeks ago to a team that was playing our commish. In your scenerio, the RB with the most points would be disqualified.
 
Godsbrother said:
Ozymandias said:
If a team has 12 men on the field on a play, they don't forfeit the game. Give him a zero for the extra RB, and a zero for the missing WR.
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The question then becomes which RB was the extra one? I suppose you take the one that accrued the most points...
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This is the best solution in my opinion. There should be a penalty for submitting an illegal roster and giving them points for a WR takes away any real penalty.If your rules do not state that they get a zero then they shouldn't.
 
Ozymandias said:
If a team has 12 men on the field on a play, they don't forfeit the game.

Give him a zero for the extra RB, and a zero for the missing WR.
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If a team shows up for a game without the proper number of players to play, they would forfeit the game. In this case, it looks like CBS allowed the points so it shouldn't be a zero unless the rules so state. The commish probably has to "make the team legal" be subtracting the highest-scoring RB and adding the lowest-scoring WR on the bench.
 
Phurfur said:
There is a rule otherwise there would not be an illegal lineup.
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You don't know this. "Illegal lineup" is just the term that the website uses. You don't know if it's something that's addressed in their rules, and furthermore you have NO IDEA if there's even a penalty spelled out.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Ozymandias said:
If a team has 12 men on the field on a play, they don't forfeit the game.

Give him a zero for the extra RB, and a zero for the missing WR.
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If a team shows up for a game without the proper number of players to play, they would forfeit the game. In this case, it looks like CBS allowed the points so it shouldn't be a zero unless the rules so state. The commish probably has to "make the team legal" be subtracting the highest-scoring RB and adding the lowest-scoring WR on the bench.
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because winning by default is so awesome...
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Ozymandias said:
If a team has 12 men on the field on a play, they don't forfeit the game.

Give him a zero for the extra RB, and a zero for the missing WR.
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If a team shows up for a game without the proper number of players to play, they would forfeit the game.
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What if a team shows up without the proper number of players, but the referees (i.e., Sportsline) allow them to play the entire game anyway?
 
yes i am the commish of the league.i am bascially getting advice here. but it will come down to the 2 sub commishes on a final decision.his response was quoted above.we do have rules into effect that only 2 rb can be started.when we set up the rules in the past there was no option for zero points from what i can remember.here is what cbs says for the line-up

Period 13 Period 14 Illegal
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Phurfur said:
Godsbrother said:
A zero is a pretty harsh penalty and could affect others when determining playoff spots. With no rules in place that stipulate what to do my feeling would be to just revert to his last legal starting lineup. If any of those players were dropped or traded they get a 0.

And come up with a rule for next season!
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Well that is the penalty in CBS and if you don't like it you should make a rule about it. What you can't do is make up a solution in the middle of a season. Everyone knew they would get a zero for an illegal lineup or they didn't read the site rules. This is the owners fault. What is wrong with you people?
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He gets a zero for horrible coaching. He let his team down in crunchtime. What's his name? Kubiak, Fox or Mangini?
 
Sam Quentin said:
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Ozymandias said:
If a team has 12 men on the field on a play, they don't forfeit the game.

Give him a zero for the extra RB, and a zero for the missing WR.
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If a team shows up for a game without the proper number of players to play, they would forfeit the game. In this case, it looks like CBS allowed the points so it shouldn't be a zero unless the rules so state. The commish probably has to "make the team legal" be subtracting the highest-scoring RB and adding the lowest-scoring WR on the bench.
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because winning by default is so awesome...
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I'm sure all teams would prefer to win by dominating their opponent. But in football, sometimes you win because the other team missed a field-goal or fumbled or something else. It's not pretty...but it's a win. In fantasy football, if your opponent screws up and starts the wrong WR, your win is still a win. If he was at a wedding and couldn't change his line-up when a RB was declared inactive...you still win. And if he set an illegal line-up and did nothing about it...it's still a win. Winning is winning. Others can whine and cry about "but he can't run his team all by his lonesome. He needs help and the commish should change his diaper" but I think owners are responsible for their teams. Now, if CBS gave him the points anyway, then the commish has a dilemma because it didn't give him a zero and there's no penalty stated in the rules. But if CBS had given him a zero then it should absolutely stand, regardless of the lack of "awesomeness" for winning by default.

I would have no problem winning by default. I would have a problem with losing by default, which is why I try to set legal line-ups.

 
rabiddawgs said:
yes i am the commish of the league.i am bascially getting advice here. but it will come down to the 2 sub commishes on a final decision.his response was quoted above.we do have rules into effect that only 2 rb can be started.when we set up the rules in the past there was no option for zero points from what i can remember.here is what cbs says for the line-up

Period 13 Period 14 Illegal
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I can't believe that you don't already have a rule covering this. Look through your league rules. Read EVERY WORD. You really don't have anything that states what to do with an ILLEGAL LINEUP?If you really never listed anything about illegal lineups then you need to drop a RB from the team's starters. Go the transaction report and remove the last RB that he activated. He will end up with 2RB and 2WR for the score.For the love of god don't make things worse by giving him a free WR or reverting to the last week's lineup. The owner forgot to start a WR and he started an extra RB. As commish, what you owe THE LEAGUE is to make sure that his lineup was legal so that no other teams get cheated of a victory. You don't owe that particular owner anything. He's an adult and he's expected to know the damned rules. You need to enforce them without prejudice.In the offseason be a better comish and fix your illegal lineup rules permanently. The 0 points rule is the best.
 
Remove the highest scoring RB from his lineup. Do not replace it with a WR, that sets a dangerous precedent. Just give him a zero at that position and let the rest of his score stand, and definitely put a rule in place in the offseason.

 
the other 2 sub commish's made a decision. since i played against this person i had no say what so ever in the decision.

they decided to remove the highest scoring rb and insert the lowest scoring wr.

even if they juts put a 0 for the wr it wouldnt have mattered on the outcome for the other game.

thank you for all the replies. for the rest of the year we are going to make it this way. and then vote on it in the offseason on either keep it this way or make it a zero.

 
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