big dropoff in rookie contracts after the top 10 picks. some teams (Pats, etc.) wont draft anyone in the top 22 or so....no idea where cj was drafted.OBVIOUSLY the Titans need to rip up his contract and pay the man.I won't pretend to know anything about how contracts actually work in the NFL. Wasn't he a late first round pick? Why would he have signed such a low paying contract?
How can a top draft pick make less than a late round one?Saw this stat on my MFL home page
CJ2K is slated to earn less ($550,000) this year than third-string journeyman Alvin Pearman ($630,000)
If you are him and you read that, you must hold out right?
He was a second rounder and signed a market value contract. Titans will never pay him for the value he's provided in the past and they don't like paying market value on players with years to run on their contracts. He's the number 1 holdout threat.
i heard his back up will make more than him this year. I would hold out toSaw this stat on my MFL home page
CJ2K is slated to earn less ($550,000) this year than third-string journeyman Alvin Pearman ($630,000)
If you are him and you read that, you must hold out right?
The Pats drafted Mayo at 10 two years ago and Warren at 13 (and traded up a spot to do it) earlier in the decade.some teams (Pats, etc.) wont draft anyone in the top 22 or so....I won't pretend to know anything about how contracts actually work in the NFL. Wasn't he a late first round pick? Why would he have signed such a low paying contract?
Fixed.He was a second rounder and signed a market value contract. Titans will never pay him for the value he's provided in the past and they don't like paying market value on players with years to run on their contracts. He's the number 1 holdout threat.I like how the 6th post is the first that has the facts straight. Thanks cr8f
He'll hold out until it gets close to the season, then he'll get another signing bonus. Not as much as if he had held out before year 4 (2 years left in his contract), but something.
Obviously the new CBA needs to address the issue of how rookie salaries are too low.
so if his contract was a 5 year deal for $12 million, then you're saying the max they can increase his contract is $12 million x 30% = $15.6 million? and then distribute that 3.6 million over the remaining years in his contract? or just give it to him as a lump sum bonus.seems pretty reasonable to me and still extremely cost effective for the Titans. if they are so reasonable, why isn't it already done....The 30% rule will prevent him from getting his pay day extension.. the Titans CAN'T give him the money this year because of league rules..I know someone will bring up PWillis's extension that he got this off-season, but for those that read into that, will realize Willis was drafted 11th overall and his contract had enough of a base salary that the niners could give him an extension, and were able to figure out a way to inflate his contract without breaking the 30% rule..As has been reported, CJ24's contract doesn't have enough base value, to be able to get around the 30% rule..He will HAVE to play out his contract and then look for a new contract next year.
Chris Johnson is going to want to be paid like the top RB in the NFL.. I think Steven Jackson currently is the highest paid RB after he signed a six-year, $48.5 million deal, two years ago.So CJ24 probably wants a six-year, $50 million deal.15.6 million or 50 millionThe titans would love to lock him up for 5 years at 15.6 mill.. but he doesn't want that and no one can blame him. So they've reached a stale mate, where even if he holds out he won't get what he wants.The 30% rule would not allow him to be signed, for a salary amount greater than 30% of what he made in 2009, for each year beyond it.So he'd make, 550,000 this year, 715000, next year, 929,500 in two years..Not the money he's looking for.so if his contract was a 5 year deal for $12 million, then you're saying the max they can increase his contract is $12 million x 30% = $15.6 million? and then distribute that 3.6 million over the remaining years in his contract? or just give it to him as a lump sum bonus.seems pretty reasonable to me and still extremely cost effective for the Titans. if they are so reasonable, why isn't it already done....The 30% rule will prevent him from getting his pay day extension.. the Titans CAN'T give him the money this year because of league rules..I know someone will bring up PWillis's extension that he got this off-season, but for those that read into that, will realize Willis was drafted 11th overall and his contract had enough of a base salary that the niners could give him an extension, and were able to figure out a way to inflate his contract without breaking the 30% rule..As has been reported, CJ24's contract doesn't have enough base value, to be able to get around the 30% rule..He will HAVE to play out his contract and then look for a new contract next year.
If I understand it correctly, the 30% rule is based on base salary, so since almost all of that $12 million was a signing bonus or money already paid out, all they can do is 30% of $550,000.While it's true that CJ is being criminally underpaid, the Alvin Pearman comparison is just stupid, since CJ made more money the first day he walked into camp than Pearman will over the entire life of his.so if his contract was a 5 year deal for $12 million, then you're saying the max they can increase his contract is $12 million x 30% = $15.6 million? and then distribute that 3.6 million over the remaining years in his contract? or just give it to him as a lump sum bonus.seems pretty reasonable to me and still extremely cost effective for the Titans. if they are so reasonable, why isn't it already done....The 30% rule will prevent him from getting his pay day extension.. the Titans CAN'T give him the money this year because of league rules..
I know someone will bring up PWillis's extension that he got this off-season, but for those that read into that, will realize Willis was drafted 11th overall and his contract had enough of a base salary that the niners could give him an extension, and were able to figure out a way to inflate his contract without breaking the 30% rule..
As has been reported, CJ24's contract doesn't have enough base value, to be able to get around the 30% rule..
He will HAVE to play out his contract and then look for a new contract next year.
yeah $550k/year would make me crap myself, if I had that kinda money. But, you gotta figure after manager, agent, uncle sam he's probably bringing home more like $250K/year. Which is still a pile of money, but when you consider his career will be 8-10 years tops, he really does need that big payday if he wants to retire with enough to be wealthy the rest of his life....and by wealthy I mean have enough $$$$ to put 30 inch rims on EVERYTHINGIf I understand it correctly, the 30% rule is based on base salary, so since almost all of that $12 million was a signing bonus or money already paid out, all they can do is 30% of $550,000.While it's true that CJ is being criminally underpaid, the Alvin Pearman comparison is just stupid, since CJ made more money the first day he walked into camp than Pearman will over the entire life of his.so if his contract was a 5 year deal for $12 million, then you're saying the max they can increase his contract is $12 million x 30% = $15.6 million? and then distribute that 3.6 million over the remaining years in his contract? or just give it to him as a lump sum bonus.seems pretty reasonable to me and still extremely cost effective for the Titans. if they are so reasonable, why isn't it already done....The 30% rule will prevent him from getting his pay day extension.. the Titans CAN'T give him the money this year because of league rules..
I know someone will bring up PWillis's extension that he got this off-season, but for those that read into that, will realize Willis was drafted 11th overall and his contract had enough of a base salary that the niners could give him an extension, and were able to figure out a way to inflate his contract without breaking the 30% rule..
As has been reported, CJ24's contract doesn't have enough base value, to be able to get around the 30% rule..
He will HAVE to play out his contract and then look for a new contract next year.
Btw, isn't it funny that we're all finding it criminally insane that a guy is only making $550k? I'm not complaining about it or anything, don't get me wrong, but it's just funny to step back for a minute and think of how much money that is.
His career could be over the first snap of training camp. .He will never have more leverage than he does right now. And Im sure his agent is in his ear. Hold out is comingyeah $550k/year would make me crap myself, if I had that kinda money. But, you gotta figure after manager, agent, uncle sam he's probably bringing home more like $250K/year. Which is still a pile of money, but when you consider his career will be 8-10 years tops, he really does need that big payday if he wants to retire with enough to be wealthy the rest of his life....and by wealthy I mean have enough $$$$ to put 30 inch rims on EVERYTHINGIf I understand it correctly, the 30% rule is based on base salary, so since almost all of that $12 million was a signing bonus or money already paid out, all they can do is 30% of $550,000.While it's true that CJ is being criminally underpaid, the Alvin Pearman comparison is just stupid, since CJ made more money the first day he walked into camp than Pearman will over the entire life of his.so if his contract was a 5 year deal for $12 million, then you're saying the max they can increase his contract is $12 million x 30% = $15.6 million? and then distribute that 3.6 million over the remaining years in his contract? or just give it to him as a lump sum bonus.seems pretty reasonable to me and still extremely cost effective for the Titans. if they are so reasonable, why isn't it already done....The 30% rule will prevent him from getting his pay day extension.. the Titans CAN'T give him the money this year because of league rules..
I know someone will bring up PWillis's extension that he got this off-season, but for those that read into that, will realize Willis was drafted 11th overall and his contract had enough of a base salary that the niners could give him an extension, and were able to figure out a way to inflate his contract without breaking the 30% rule..
As has been reported, CJ24's contract doesn't have enough base value, to be able to get around the 30% rule..
He will HAVE to play out his contract and then look for a new contract next year.
Btw, isn't it funny that we're all finding it criminally insane that a guy is only making $550k? I'm not complaining about it or anything, don't get me wrong, but it's just funny to step back for a minute and think of how much money that is.
He could hold out for the first 10 games of the season and save his body a significant amount of wear and tear. Or he could hold out hoping for a trade. Or both.Again guys, what is a hold-out going to get him? A new deal? What kind of new deal? Not the one he wants, that's for sure. He will get a lot more money if he reworks his contract AFTER the 30% rule goes by the wayside.No team is going to make a guy the highest paid guy at his position in history after one year of fantastic production (which is probably what he is angling for) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being forced into a situation where nearly all of that money will be guaranteed. Just isn't going to happen, for precisely the reasons everybody is saying he should hold out - if he gets injured, or turns out to be a little less than he appears to be, the team will be sunk.An on top of that, he is just entering the third year of a five year deal. It's not even like he's just a year away.Is he underpaid? Sure, and the team might throw him a bone. But I just don't see a hold-out working.
Would that meet his demands? Last I knew and can guess, it's not the team he's unhappy with. Can a new team tear up his contract and pay him like he wants?He could hold out for the first 10 games of the season and save his body a significant amount of wear and tear. Or he could hold out hoping for a trade. Or both.Again guys, what is a hold-out going to get him? A new deal? What kind of new deal? Not the one he wants, that's for sure. He will get a lot more money if he reworks his contract AFTER the 30% rule goes by the wayside.
No team is going to make a guy the highest paid guy at his position in history after one year of fantastic production (which is probably what he is angling for) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being forced into a situation where nearly all of that money will be guaranteed. Just isn't going to happen, for precisely the reasons everybody is saying he should hold out - if he gets injured, or turns out to be a little less than he appears to be, the team will be sunk.
An on top of that, he is just entering the third year of a five year deal. It's not even like he's just a year away.
Is he underpaid? Sure, and the team might throw him a bone. But I just don't see a hold-out working.
I've heard absolutely nothing to indicate he wants a trade. I'd be shocked if there was even a hint of that happening. The Titans couldn't be compensated enough for it.Would that meet his demands? Last I knew and can guess, it's not the team he's unhappy with. Can a new team tear up his contract and pay him like he wants?He could hold out for the first 10 games of the season and save his body a significant amount of wear and tear. Or he could hold out hoping for a trade. Or both.Again guys, what is a hold-out going to get him? A new deal? What kind of new deal? Not the one he wants, that's for sure. He will get a lot more money if he reworks his contract AFTER the 30% rule goes by the wayside.
No team is going to make a guy the highest paid guy at his position in history after one year of fantastic production (which is probably what he is angling for) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being forced into a situation where nearly all of that money will be guaranteed. Just isn't going to happen, for precisely the reasons everybody is saying he should hold out - if he gets injured, or turns out to be a little less than he appears to be, the team will be sunk.
An on top of that, he is just entering the third year of a five year deal. It's not even like he's just a year away.
Is he underpaid? Sure, and the team might throw him a bone. But I just don't see a hold-out working.
I doubt it would meet his demands, but it might be better than the alternative. A 350 carry season and/or a bad injury is likely worse for his future value than a six-game season. Does the 30% rule still apply if the player is traded?Would that meet his demands? Last I knew and can guess, it's not the team he's unhappy with. Can a new team tear up his contract and pay him like he wants?He could hold out for the first 10 games of the season and save his body a significant amount of wear and tear. Or he could hold out hoping for a trade. Or both.Again guys, what is a hold-out going to get him? A new deal? What kind of new deal? Not the one he wants, that's for sure. He will get a lot more money if he reworks his contract AFTER the 30% rule goes by the wayside.
No team is going to make a guy the highest paid guy at his position in history after one year of fantastic production (which is probably what he is angling for) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being forced into a situation where nearly all of that money will be guaranteed. Just isn't going to happen, for precisely the reasons everybody is saying he should hold out - if he gets injured, or turns out to be a little less than he appears to be, the team will be sunk.
An on top of that, he is just entering the third year of a five year deal. It's not even like he's just a year away.
Is he underpaid? Sure, and the team might throw him a bone. But I just don't see a hold-out working.
Nothing like facts to break up good schtickThe Pats drafted Mayo at 10 two years ago and Warren at 13 (and traded up a spot to do it) earlier in the decade.some teams (Pats, etc.) wont draft anyone in the top 22 or so....I won't pretend to know anything about how contracts actually work in the NFL. Wasn't he a late first round pick? Why would he have signed such a low paying contract?
We pay you to have these answers.Chase Stuart said:I doubt it would meet his demands, but it might be better than the alternative. A 350 carry season and/or a bad injury is likely worse for his future value than a six-game season. Does the 30% rule still apply if the player is traded?FUBAR said:Would that meet his demands? Last I knew and can guess, it's not the team he's unhappy with. Can a new team tear up his contract and pay him like he wants?Chase Stuart said:He could hold out for the first 10 games of the season and save his body a significant amount of wear and tear. Or he could hold out hoping for a trade. Or both.Holy Schneikes said:Again guys, what is a hold-out going to get him? A new deal? What kind of new deal? Not the one he wants, that's for sure. He will get a lot more money if he reworks his contract AFTER the 30% rule goes by the wayside.
No team is going to make a guy the highest paid guy at his position in history after one year of fantastic production (which is probably what he is angling for) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being forced into a situation where nearly all of that money will be guaranteed. Just isn't going to happen, for precisely the reasons everybody is saying he should hold out - if he gets injured, or turns out to be a little less than he appears to be, the team will be sunk.
An on top of that, he is just entering the third year of a five year deal. It's not even like he's just a year away.
Is he underpaid? Sure, and the team might throw him a bone. But I just don't see a hold-out working.
crabtree held out last year and he hadn't even done anything yet (in the NFL)...when was the last time a frontline RB (or WR or QB) held out for a few games or more... what are some of the more prominet holdouts at any position in past few decades... rams pro bowl DT sean gilbert held out a season i think, and eventually commanded TWO first rounders from seifert in CAR... my recollection is injuries derailed the subsequent unfolding of his career (probably sitting a year didn't help), and he never lived up to his initial promise with the rams... didn't galloway hold out in SEA, leading to another ill-conceived/fated TWO first round pick for a player swap? i'll never forget when emmit held out, after a few losses, he had all the leverage, and i'd like to think the final straw leading to jery jones blinking first in the game of contract chicken was when charles haley was reportedly on the ground having a tantrum/psychotic break, screaming to hurry up and sign emmit (my guess is the titans don't have anybody on the roster QUITE that demonstrative/histrionic...Chase Stuart said:He could hold out for the first 10 games of the season and save his body a significant amount of wear and tear. Or he could hold out hoping for a trade. Or both.Holy Schneikes said:Again guys, what is a hold-out going to get him? A new deal? What kind of new deal? Not the one he wants, that's for sure. He will get a lot more money if he reworks his contract AFTER the 30% rule goes by the wayside.No team is going to make a guy the highest paid guy at his position in history after one year of fantastic production (which is probably what he is angling for) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being forced into a situation where nearly all of that money will be guaranteed. Just isn't going to happen, for precisely the reasons everybody is saying he should hold out - if he gets injured, or turns out to be a little less than he appears to be, the team will be sunk.An on top of that, he is just entering the third year of a five year deal. It's not even like he's just a year away.Is he underpaid? Sure, and the team might throw him a bone. But I just don't see a hold-out working.
Boldin was 2 years into a 4 year rookie deal, but I agree with your premise. If he produces at a high level this year then the Titans would undoubtedly give him a new deal next year. What teams don't want to do is start renegotiating deals with 3 years left on them, unless it somehow benefits the team financially.Yellow Line is Unoffcial said:I think people are failing to see thee difference between an extension and a new deal, CJ wants a new deal not an extension. Everyone is looking at his base salary for this year and not looking at the fact he made over 4mil last year. He is 2 years into a 5 year deal, be professional, get into OTAs and you time will come. (See Anquan Boldin)
they might get Haynesworth back and Vince has been known to sulk when things aren't going his way. I really do think CJ is there week 1 but if not I'm worried about the effect his absence will have not only on the offense on the field but also to VY's psyche and the team chemistry. This team was rolling pretty good in the second half, please don't mess with that.crabtree held out last year and he hadn't even done anything yet (in the NFL)...when was the last time a frontline RB (or WR or QB) held out for a few games or more... what are some of the more prominet holdouts at any position in past few decades... rams pro bowl DT sean gilbert held out a season i think, and eventually commanded TWO first rounders from seifert in CAR... my recollection is injuries derailed the subsequent unfolding of his career (probably sitting a year didn't help), and he never lived up to his initial promise with the rams... didn't galloway hold out in SEA, leading to another ill-conceived/fated TWO first round pick for a player swap?Chase Stuart said:He could hold out for the first 10 games of the season and save his body a significant amount of wear and tear. Or he could hold out hoping for a trade. Or both.Holy Schneikes said:Again guys, what is a hold-out going to get him? A new deal? What kind of new deal? Not the one he wants, that's for sure. He will get a lot more money if he reworks his contract AFTER the 30% rule goes by the wayside.
No team is going to make a guy the highest paid guy at his position in history after one year of fantastic production (which is probably what he is angling for) WHILE AT THE SAME TIME being forced into a situation where nearly all of that money will be guaranteed. Just isn't going to happen, for precisely the reasons everybody is saying he should hold out - if he gets injured, or turns out to be a little less than he appears to be, the team will be sunk.
An on top of that, he is just entering the third year of a five year deal. It's not even like he's just a year away.
Is he underpaid? Sure, and the team might throw him a bone. But I just don't see a hold-out working.
i'll never forget when emmit held out, after a few losses, he had all the leverage, and i'd like to think the final straw leading to jery jones blinking first in the game of contract chicken was when charles haley was reportedly on the ground having a tantrum/psychotic break, screaming to hurry up and sign emmit (my guess is the titans don't have anybody on the roster QUITE that demonstrative/histrionic...)!
* pretty sure all these exemplars had more than two years tenure, though, at the time of their respective holdouts.
Two instances in a decade. Well argued.Nothing like facts to break up good schtickThe Pats drafted Mayo at 10 two years ago and Warren at 13 (and traded up a spot to do it) earlier in the decade.some teams (Pats, etc.) wont draft anyone in the top 22 or so....I won't pretend to know anything about how contracts actually work in the NFL. Wasn't he a late first round pick? Why would he have signed such a low paying contract?
I'm on the other side of the fence. I'm not afraid he will hold out at all because I think the Titans do the right thing and give him the only thing they can, which is a 30% raise for the coming year.....and they'll get it done before TC. They will then re-address his contract status when the new CBA goes into effect at a later date. Basically, the Titans hands are tied right now to the rules governing the CBA in an uncapped year, so Johnson's leverage is practically nothing. He either accepts the 30% raise, if/when the Titans offer it, or he doesn't. Anything extra is better than current, so I think he accepts the Titans offer and he is in camp on time.Myrzrback77 said:I am not afraid that he will hold out at all, because to me it is a sure thing. No need to worry.
That goes under the "that aint right" category.
Just like "that aint right" that JaMarcus Russell gets $40 mill and doesn't do jack.
CJ is in a no man's land right now. He signed his contract and has to live to it. Sometimes lifes unfair.
I do think that he holds out to avoid as much of the preseason as possible, and then comes in and goes back to work with tail between legs once the season is close. Titans will want to give him the LT2 treatment anyway during preseason.
Doubt he'll squeeze the Titans more more dough. He'll still be ready for the season regardless.
You mean back loaded. The unpaid years don't count until june 1 of that fiscal year (usually).How can a top draft pick make less than a late round one?Saw this stat on my MFL home page
CJ2K is slated to earn less ($550,000) this year than third-string journeyman Alvin Pearman ($630,000)
If you are him and you read that, you must hold out right?
On July 26,2008 he signed a five-year, $12 million contract with $7 million guaranteed averaging out to $2.4 million per year.
Perhaps it was front loaded but to say he is making $550,000 is distorting facts.
Will he hold out for more? I hope so.![]()
Our champ the last 2 years rode him to the title.
is this a rule for this uncapped year? How is it a rule, if there's no agreement in place?Why would a hold out scare you? So long as he's keeping himself in shape, it's not like he needs to learn the offense or understand new wrinkles. And the Titans are by and large a rational organization. I would be shocked if they didn't do right by him. The problem all teams have right now is the rule in place that only allows for a 30% increase in salary, so teams are faced with having to be creative in how they make young stars right on their deals.
Jeff Pasquino said:Several young players have signed extensions that worked around the 30% limitation. Kevin Kolb signed a big bonus, but Patrick Willis just really laid the groundwork on how to get an extension done this year.
A detailed explanation is here, but suffice it to say that >1 bonus can be used to get around this limit. It is up to the teams to decide if the player is worth that or not.
DeSean Jackson is one player whose agent is studying the Willis deal.