I'm beginning to become very afraid Chris Johnson will hold out (1 Viewer)

[Brothers Mayhem]

Lets say CJ does hold out. He misses training camp and now its week one preseason and he still is a no-show. Week 2, then 3, etc. At what point does his ADP begin to fall and where does he fall to? Or maybe I should ask, at what pick do you feel comfortable drafting CJ with the knowledge that he may not play this year?

 

[Aardvarks]

Lets say CJ does hold out. He misses training camp and now its week one preseason and he still is a no-show. Week 2, then 3, etc. At what point does his ADP begin to fall and where does he fall to? Or maybe I should ask, at what pick do you feel comfortable drafting CJ with the knowledge that he may not play this year?

CJ will get into camp and be out there Week 1. As cheap as Bud Adams is, there will be a solution. Why else do you own a football team if you won't pay the man who rolled the most yards from scrimmage ever? Bud would get death threats. That said, I do expect the Titans to lowball and make this ugly right at first. But they'll cave.These veteran holdouts never come to fruition anyway. Aside from rookies (totally different $ dynamic) like Rivers, Jamarcus and Crabtree, it always works out by the end of camp. In the last 17 years the only 2 offensive veterans to miss regular season games were Emmitt & Galloway.

It makes for good blog-o-chat, but otherwise it's just not a reality.

 

[Brothers Mayhem]

Lets say CJ does hold out. He misses training camp and now its week one preseason and he still is a no-show. Week 2, then 3, etc. At what point does his ADP begin to fall and where does he fall to? Or maybe I should ask, at what pick do you feel comfortable drafting CJ with the knowledge that he may not play this year?

CJ will get into camp and be out there Week 1. As cheap as Bud Adams is, there will be a solution. Why else do you own a football team if you won't pay the man who rolled the most yards from scrimmage ever? Bud would get death threats. That said, I do expect the Titans to lowball and make this ugly right at first. But they'll cave.These veteran holdouts never come to fruition anyway. Aside from rookies (totally different $ dynamic) like Rivers, Jamarcus and Crabtree, it always works out by the end of camp. In the last 17 years the only 2 offensive veterans to miss regular season games were Emmitt & Galloway.

It makes for good blog-o-chat, but otherwise it's just not a reality.

Yeah I agree with that. I was just trying to get the topic back on track by shifting the debate to a "What if" scenario. Hypothetical or not - should CJ or the Titans get hard-headed and carry this thing into the regular season, it will affect the fantasy world. Plus I am curious as to what u guys think his draft status would be. Someone gonna take him thinking that if he returns at such & such point of the year, he would be a steal. Personally, I wouldn't touch him until the very late rounds if at all. I would most likely just hoped he went into the FA pool and then I'd cross them bridges if and when I heard of his return rumors...blah, blah, blah. What say you?

 

[bweiser]

Lets say CJ does hold out. He misses training camp and now its week one preseason and he still is a no-show. Week 2, then 3, etc. At what point does his ADP begin to fall and where does he fall to? Or maybe I should ask, at what pick do you feel comfortable drafting CJ with the knowledge that he may not play this year?

CJ will get into camp and be out there Week 1. As cheap as Bud Adams is, there will be a solution. Why else do you own a football team if you won't pay the man who rolled the most yards from scrimmage ever? Bud would get death threats. That said, I do expect the Titans to lowball and make this ugly right at first. But they'll cave.These veteran holdouts never come to fruition anyway. Aside from rookies (totally different $ dynamic) like Rivers, Jamarcus and Crabtree, it always works out by the end of camp. In the last 17 years the only 2 offensive veterans to miss regular season games were Emmitt & Galloway.

It makes for good blog-o-chat, but otherwise it's just not a reality.

well, i guess that number is going up this year - vincent jackson will surely be no. 3.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Well it certainly wont bother me if CJ holds out till week 2, and VY gets a one game suspension to start the year. Nope, won't bother me a bit.

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[Pickle Rody]

I find this situation interesting for a number of reasons. First, I own Chris Johnson in numerous leagues this year, either because I'm protecting him in a couple of keeper leagues or because I've already drafted him in a few others. And secondly, because this "hold-out" can only go so far.

Johnson and his agent may want a lot more money, but they know the Titans can't really give them everything they want. The Titans and Bud Adams hands are tied to the existing CBA and the limbo it is currently in. It doesn't look like a new CBA is going to get done any time in the near future and in fact it appears it will take some tough negotiating to come to a final solution before the 2011 season.

I think Adams has a great "out" right now. He can offer CJ exactly what the team is permitted to offer him. However that 30% rule is written, that is what they will do. CJ will get some kind of raise & Adams won't have to break the bank to get it done. I think CJ wants to play football and will take the maximum raise he can get heading into 2010, with the knowledge that a new deal gets re-worked when the new CBA is in place.

I really don't see any other way this could work out. If CJ holds out all TC and into the season, he will lose money. Nothing about his holdout will get a new CBA deal done. The only way he gets a new deal with anything more than a 30% raise is if there is a new CBA in place.

It's in the Titans best interest to give CJ a 30% raise right now and it's in his best interest to take what he can get for the time being. He's just not going to get more than that for the 2010 season and he and his agent know it. Bud Adams and the Titans should be thankful that a 30% raise is the most they'd have to pay him for his services in 2010.

There may be some additional posturing by both sides in the next few weeks, but in the end something will get done and CJ will be in camp on time and everything will be fine. I have no doubts at all.

Even if CJ isn't at camp on time and misses some time, I would still draft him #1 overall in any type of league, even redraft.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Chris Johnson looking for $30-$40 million guaranteed

Jun

18

6/18/2010 5:56:36 PM | More

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson told Michael Smith in an E60 interview that he wants $30-$40 million guaranteed.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If he were a free agent or in the last year of his deal, 30-40 million guaranteed would be very reasonable. I mean Julius Peppers just got 42 million guaranteed. But given that he has 3 years left i think he's going to have to settle for a number markedly less.

 

[massraider]

I find this situation interesting for a number of reasons. First, I own Chris Johnson in numerous leagues this year, either because I'm protecting him in a couple of keeper leagues or because I've already drafted him in a few others. And secondly, because this "hold-out" can only go so far. Johnson and his agent may want a lot more money, but they know the Titans can't really give them everything they want. The Titans and Bud Adams hands are tied to the existing CBA and the limbo it is currently in. It doesn't look like a new CBA is going to get done any time in the near future and in fact it appears it will take some tough negotiating to come to a final solution before the 2011 season. I think Adams has a great "out" right now. He can offer CJ exactly what the team is permitted to offer him. However that 30% rule is written, that is what they will do. CJ will get some kind of raise & Adams won't have to break the bank to get it done. I think CJ wants to play football and will take the maximum raise he can get heading into 2010, with the knowledge that a new deal gets re-worked when the new CBA is in place.I really don't see any other way this could work out. If CJ holds out all TC and into the season, he will lose money. Nothing about his holdout will get a new CBA deal done. The only way he gets a new deal with anything more than a 30% raise is if there is a new CBA in place.It's in the Titans best interest to give CJ a 30% raise right now and it's in his best interest to take what he can get for the time being. He's just not going to get more than that for the 2010 season and he and his agent know it. Bud Adams and the Titans should be thankful that a 30% raise is the most they'd have to pay him for his services in 2010.There may be some additional posturing by both sides in the next few weeks, but in the end something will get done and CJ will be in camp on time and everything will be fine. I have no doubts at all.Even if CJ isn't at camp on time and misses some time, I would still draft him #1 overall in any type of league, even redraft.

The only fear is that CJ is really stupid or really stubborn.

 

[180FFIQ]

Management nailed it with Haynesworthlessness

I'm trusting them to do it again with CJ2K.

They know a lot more about the business behind the scenes than all of us put together

No way CJ2k isn't there on 1st and 10 opening day

 

[Phurfur]

Chris Johnson looking for $30-$40 million guaranteed Jun 18 6/18/2010 5:56:36 PM | More According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson told Michael Smith in an E60 interview that he wants $30-$40 million guaranteed.

Chris Johnson wants $30-40 million guaranteed Chris Johnson told ESPN's Michael Smith in a recent E:60 interview that he is asking the Titans for $30-40 million guaranteed.It's franchise quarterback (or Albert Haynesworth) money. Johnson hinted earlier in the offseason that he wanted to be the highest paid offensive player in the game, and it appears he wasn't messing around. We still don't see Johnson holding out of training camp beyond August 10 because of the monetary penalties he'd incur, both on a daily basis and for the future. Jun. 18 - 6:56 pm et

At this point I would let him sit. No way is he worth 30-40 million guaranteed. Does anyone think he will have longevity? I see him as a Jamal Lewis rather than an Emmitt Smith.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Chris Johnson looking for $30-$40 million guaranteed Jun 18 6/18/2010 5:56:36 PM | More According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson told Michael Smith in an E60 interview that he wants $30-$40 million guaranteed.

Chris Johnson wants $30-40 million guaranteed Chris Johnson told ESPN's Michael Smith in a recent E:60 interview that he is asking the Titans for $30-40 million guaranteed.It's franchise quarterback (or Albert Haynesworth) money. Johnson hinted earlier in the offseason that he wanted to be the highest paid offensive player in the game, and it appears he wasn't messing around. We still don't see Johnson holding out of training camp beyond August 10 because of the monetary penalties he'd incur, both on a daily basis and for the future. Jun. 18 - 6:56 pm et

At this point I would let him sit. No way is he worth 30-40 million guaranteed. Does anyone think he will have longevity? I see him as a Jamal Lewis rather than an Emmitt Smith.

I think he has longevity. Or at least I don't see any reason to think that his career isn't going to last. He's clearly one of the most talented players in the league and as important to his team's offense as almost any other player save Peyton Manning. And you're probably shortchanging Jamal Lewis and his 10000 career rushing yards.The fact of the matter is that it's impossible for the titans to give him that big contract now anyways(to my understanding). Most of this is probably just posturing for leverage after this season.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Chris Johnson looking for $30-$40 million guaranteed Jun 18 6/18/2010 5:56:36 PM | More According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson told Michael Smith in an E60 interview that he wants $30-$40 million guaranteed.

Chris Johnson wants $30-40 million guaranteed Chris Johnson told ESPN's Michael Smith in a recent E:60 interview that he is asking the Titans for $30-40 million guaranteed.It's franchise quarterback (or Albert Haynesworth) money. Johnson hinted earlier in the offseason that he wanted to be the highest paid offensive player in the game, and it appears he wasn't messing around. We still don't see Johnson holding out of training camp beyond August 10 because of the monetary penalties he'd incur, both on a daily basis and for the future. Jun. 18 - 6:56 pm et

At this point I would let him sit. No way is he worth 30-40 million guaranteed. Does anyone think he will have longevity? I see him as a Jamal Lewis rather than an Emmitt Smith.

I think he has longevity. Or at least I don't see any reason to think that his career isn't going to last. He's clearly one of the most talented players in the league and as important to his team's offense as almost any other player save Peyton Manning. And you're probably shortchanging Jamal Lewis and his 10000 career rushing yards.The fact of the matter is that it's impossible for the titans to give him that big contract now anyways(to my understanding). Most of this is probably just posturing for leverage after this season.

They could give it to him. Most of the money would just have to be upfront.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Chris Johnson looking for $30-$40 million guaranteed Jun 18 6/18/2010 5:56:36 PM | More According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson told Michael Smith in an E60 interview that he wants $30-$40 million guaranteed.

Chris Johnson wants $30-40 million guaranteed Chris Johnson told ESPN's Michael Smith in a recent E:60 interview that he is asking the Titans for $30-40 million guaranteed.It's franchise quarterback (or Albert Haynesworth) money. Johnson hinted earlier in the offseason that he wanted to be the highest paid offensive player in the game, and it appears he wasn't messing around. We still don't see Johnson holding out of training camp beyond August 10 because of the monetary penalties he'd incur, both on a daily basis and for the future. Jun. 18 - 6:56 pm et

At this point I would let him sit. No way is he worth 30-40 million guaranteed. Does anyone think he will have longevity? I see him as a Jamal Lewis rather than an Emmitt Smith.

If Julius Peppers is worth 42 million, i don't think CJ's 30-40 million is absurd.

 

[Phurfur]

Chris Johnson looking for $30-$40 million guaranteed Jun 18 6/18/2010 5:56:36 PM | More According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson told Michael Smith in an E60 interview that he wants $30-$40 million guaranteed.

Chris Johnson wants $30-40 million guaranteed Chris Johnson told ESPN's Michael Smith in a recent E:60 interview that he is asking the Titans for $30-40 million guaranteed.It's franchise quarterback (or Albert Haynesworth) money. Johnson hinted earlier in the offseason that he wanted to be the highest paid offensive player in the game, and it appears he wasn't messing around. We still don't see Johnson holding out of training camp beyond August 10 because of the monetary penalties he'd incur, both on a daily basis and for the future. Jun. 18 - 6:56 pm et

At this point I would let him sit. No way is he worth 30-40 million guaranteed. Does anyone think he will have longevity? I see him as a Jamal Lewis rather than an Emmitt Smith.

If Julius Peppers is worth 42 million, i don't think CJ's 30-40 million is absurd.

Yes but I am still laughing at that one.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Chris Johnson is still not going to ever get more than a 30% raise for 2010. He and his agent can posture all they want.......they are not getting 30-40 million until a new CBA is signed.

 

[gianmarco]

Chris Johnson is still not going to ever get more than a 30% raise for 2010. He and his agent can posture all they want.......they are not getting 30-40 million until a new CBA is signed.

They can get it in the form of a signing bonus. That's the problem, though, for the Titans.

 

[Warrior]

Chris Johnson looking for $30-$40 million guaranteed

Jun

18

6/18/2010 5:56:36 PM | More

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson told Michael Smith in an E60 interview that he wants $30-$40 million guaranteed.

Chris Johnson wants $30-40 million guaranteed

Chris Johnson told ESPN's Michael Smith in a recent E:60 interview that he is asking the Titans for $30-40 million guaranteed.

It's franchise quarterback (or Albert Haynesworth) money. Johnson hinted earlier in the offseason that he wanted to be the highest paid offensive player in the game, and it appears he wasn't messing around. We still don't see Johnson holding out of training camp beyond August 10 because of the monetary penalties he'd incur, both on a daily basis and for the future. Jun. 18 - 6:56 pm et

At this point I would let him sit. No way is he worth 30-40 million guaranteed. Does anyone think he will have longevity? I see him as a Jamal Lewis rather than an Emmitt Smith.

I think he has longevity. Or at least I don't see any reason to think that his career isn't going to last. He's clearly one of the most talented players in the league and as important to his team's offense as almost any other player save Peyton Manning. And you're probably shortchanging Jamal Lewis and his 10000 career rushing yards.The fact of the matter is that it's impossible for the titans to give him that big contract now anyways(to my understanding). Most of this is probably just posturing for leverage after this season.

They could give it to him. Most of the money would just have to be upfront.

They won't do that...look that it worked out w/ Haynesworth and the Redskins...

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

one other thing to think about is that the owners (even with players they love) will be hesitant to give huge money with the CBA negotiations coming up. It would be difficult to claim poverty and give up that kind of cash.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I didn't know about the "30 day rule". Apparently if CJ doesn't show up by August 10th, he loses a year credited towards free agency. It seems like Titans have the leverage here.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...of-30-day-rule/

 

[34=Sweetness]

I didn't know about the "30 day rule". Apparently if CJ doesn't show up by August 10th, he loses a year credited towards free agency. It seems like Titans have the leverage here.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...of-30-day-rule/

This.It would be monumentally stupid for CJ to not show up, as he would just be under contract longer. He will be in camp.

If the owner in your league has CJ and is worried, don't tell him about this and try to get CJ for your top player.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Clipped from the FBG News:

"Chris Johnson may have new deal prior to training camp" Jul 6, 09:45 AMTennessee Titans RB Chris Johnson could have a new long-term deal in place before the start of training camp, according to Michael Lombardi, of NFL.com.Our view: This makes the most sense to us. Chris Johnson is the engine to the offense in Tennessee, and simply the best player on their team. They can't afford to be stingy with a player like Johnson, who is coming off a 2,000-yard rushing season.

I guess there are ways to get around the 30% rule, which I had thought was going to hinder any long-term deal making. Either way, as long as he signs before training camp, there should be no issues. I wasn't worried anyway, but this news is likely going to help every Chris Johnson owner breathe just a little easier.

 

[eagles2007]

I am no longer afraid.