Impact of the TO Signing (If Any) (1 Viewer)

[Bob Magaw]

i realize TO has slowed down, but perhaps he can do better than last year in a more functional offense... if bryant can play, and gresham is as good as advertised, three nice receiving weapons ADDED to ocho cinco since april... and benson the best bengals RB since corey dillon...

AFC north is a rugged defensive division with BAL & PIT, but along with CLE, all have secondary question marks...

* in retrospect, maybe CIN was a great destination... aside from the fact that palmer was throwing to him and gave the idea a thumbs up, maybe marvin lewis will command enough respect for owens to minimize the divisiveness?

 

[Nero]

Definitely an improvement from the offense. I think TO finishes as a WR3. Palmer goes from a 3400 yard 23TD QB to a 4000 yard 30 TD QB.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think Carson Palmer looked pretty bad last year at times. This signing can only help him as Terell Owens is a big physical receiver who can match up against some of the physical defenses in that division.

The only problem for me fantasy wise is I don't see Cinci as that pass happy team they were a few years ago with a young 85 and Housh. They at least appear to me like a team that's trying to turn into the rest of that division and that's play some defense and run the ball. Cinci basically beat their running backs into the ground during the regular season they ran it with those guys so much that I'm hoping they air it out some with TO on the team.

I think TO is currently the best receiver on this team. I don't know how long it will take him to get the connection with Palmer, but I'm willing to roll the dice with TO this year. He had plenty left in the tank when he left Dallas. He went to Buffalo and that team was horrible. Now off of that and his chronilogical age everyone thinks he's done......I'm not buying it.

The question is this: How will NO.85 handle it when TO starts outperforming him during the season, how will that go down.

 

[JHuber77]

You do realize that they are friends off the field? They workout together every year. I see this as no problem for 85 and TO.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

You do realize that they are friends off the field? They workout together every year. I see this as no problem for 85 and TO.

Hey Huber,I'm not sure if your talking about TO and 85 or Palmer and TO because I know TO has been working out with Palmer to some degree this offseason. Either way, it's one thing being friends when things are all good and it's another thing all together when you have to scoot over and make room for a guy like TO. 85 has really been the only guy with a flair for the cameras on that offense and now he'll have someone with almost the exact type personality. I think it will be interesting to see these two guys compete for that TV time and I do think if TO gets off to a really hot start while 85 doesn't, it won't be "all good." Palmer will definately have to have in the back of his mind that these two guys will need there's and feed these egos to some degree along the way. I'm not saying at all that this won't work, I'm just saying it could go down like this. Personally I think TO is a better receiver than 85, if I'm wrong then there probably won't be much of a problem at all.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I'm not convinced Palmer is healthy. If he can't throw the ball better than he did last year, it will lessen the impact of this signing.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'm not convinced Palmer is healthy. If he can't throw the ball better than he did last year, it will lessen the impact of this signing.

Ya, he didn't throw the ball well last year. Having really only 1 good receiver instead of two probably didn't help his cause but he definately threw some ugly balls. He does still have a big arm though and you'd think a play action bomb to a guy like TO would work once in awhile.

 

[JHuber77]

You do realize that they are friends off the field? They workout together every year. I see this as no problem for 85 and TO.

Hey Huber,I'm not sure if your talking about TO and 85 or Palmer and TO because I know TO has been working out with Palmer to some degree this offseason. Either way, it's one thing being friends when things are all good and it's another thing all together when you have to scoot over and make room for a guy like TO. 85 has really been the only guy with a flair for the cameras on that offense and now he'll have someone with almost the exact type personality. I think it will be interesting to see these two guys compete for that TV time and I do think if TO gets off to a really hot start while 85 doesn't, it won't be "all good." Palmer will definately have to have in the back of his mind that these two guys will need there's and feed these egos to some degree along the way. I'm not saying at all that this won't work, I'm just saying it could go down like this. Personally I think TO is a better receiver than 85, if I'm wrong then there probably won't be much of a problem at all.

I was referring to TO and 85. I agree there might be a problem but I see this as a great signing for the Bengals. They take on every other past problem child. Just looks to me like buyers remorse with Bryant and his knees. I can see TO and 85 flirt with 1000/6 and would definately uptick Palmer a bit with mid 20's TD production and 4000 yards. But one thing is for sure, its gonna be fun to watch these two in the endzone. I just wonder what they will come up with.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I don't understand why the Bengals would want TO?

Antonio Bryant is >>>> TO

With the emergence of the Bengals defense, why would they want to expand the passing game more than it is. A good running game is the best friend of a strong defense. TO and Ocho are both divas that are going to cry out. pout, mope and destroy team chemistry if they aren't featured as much as their fragile egos demand.

Antonion Bryant and the rookie TE are seriously huge receiving upgrades over last year. What else you need Cincy?

As things stand, I like Cincy to take this division without TO. Bring in TO, and I favor the Ravens.

 

[JHuber77]

Bryant is a headcase too, so it doesn't change anything.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm not convinced Palmer is healthy. If he can't throw the ball better than he did last year, it will lessen the impact of this signing.

Palmer rarely threw downfield last year, which does argue that he was either hurt or didn't trust his receivers. If he was hurt, you're right Tony, the TO signing is just going to further ignite a problem b/c he'll have a guy complaining about the lack of targets. On the other hand if it was more about his receivers, well then this unlocks the Palmer of old.FWIW, I had to submit new projections for the site last night and I've added a few hundred yards to Palmer's tally, by virtue of a better YPA (more in line with his career marks); which raises him from my QB16 to my QB11.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't understand why the Bengals would want TO?Antonio Bryant is >>>> TOWith the emergence of the Bengals defense, why would they want to expand the passing game more than it is. A good running game is the best friend of a strong defense. TO and Ocho are both divas that are going to cry out. pout, mope and destroy team chemistry if they aren't featured as much as their fragile egos demand.Antonion Bryant and the rookie TE are seriously huge receiving upgrades over last year. What else you need Cincy?As things stand, I like Cincy to take this division without TO. Bring in TO, and I favor the Ravens.

Well, I definately disagree with you on Bryant over TO. To me it's not even 85 over TO but hey, we'll see.To me, this signing means that they're not as confident as you in Bryant. He's had issues himself staying healthy and last year Cinci struggled in the passing game with just 85 out there.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I don't understand why the Bengals would want TO?Antonio Bryant is >>>> TOWith the emergence of the Bengals defense, why would they want to expand the passing game more than it is. A good running game is the best friend of a strong defense. TO and Ocho are both divas that are going to cry out. pout, mope and destroy team chemistry if they aren't featured as much as their fragile egos demand.Antonion Bryant and the rookie TE are seriously huge receiving upgrades over last year. What else you need Cincy?As things stand, I like Cincy to take this division without TO. Bring in TO, and I favor the Ravens.

Well, I definately disagree with you on Bryant over TO. To me it's not even 85 over TO but hey, we'll see.To me, this signing means that they're not as confident as you in Bryant. He's had issues himself staying healthy and last year Cinci struggled in the passing game with just 85 out there.

I watched about every Tampa game or highlight last year, and I can tell you, he far outshone any Tampa receiver last year. He had rookie QBs throwing him the ball, and if you break down his acutal plays, he could have been a monster if they had gotten the ball to him more. A very disciplined route runner. He is highly underrated. He does have the injury history, but I think he's beyond that. I hope that the TO news is untrue. Bryant is for real, imo. I am hoping he has a comeback year with a better team this year.

 

[cincipd]

Bryant's knee still isn't right. The TO siging means that Bryant may not even see the field until game 7 in my opinion. The Bengals have been very dissapointed with Bryant since they signed him

 

[Godsbrother]

Talent wise they are loaded at WR but they are all headcases so who knows what will happen? If all goes well for the Bengals then it will be a lovefest. If not, stand back and watch the fireworks!

One big question mark is Carson Palmer. He hasn't looked the same for a couple of years now so it will be interesting to see if he can bounce back. He certainly has the weapons now...

 

[Chewbanks]

This is a boost for Palmer, 85 and probably also the running game. I think TO will probably get more coverage attention than he justifies at this point in his career, just based upon his reputation.

 

[sholditch]

Is TO a good blocker? He's got the size.

 

[Sabertooth]

Definitely an improvement from the offense. I think TO finishes as a WR3. Palmer goes from a 3400 yard 23TD QB to a 4000 yard 30 TD QB.

Um, no. Palmer missed many open targets last season. It doesn't matter how good the receivers are if the QB can't hit them.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I still think that Palmer's elbow may be shot and people will overrate him with this signing. No way to tell for sure though.

 

[jaybebo]

I don't understand why the Bengals would want TO?Antonio Bryant is >>>> TOWith the emergence of the Bengals defense, why would they want to expand the passing game more than it is. A good running game is the best friend of a strong defense. TO and Ocho are both divas that are going to cry out. pout, mope and destroy team chemistry if they aren't featured as much as their fragile egos demand.Antonion Bryant and the rookie TE are seriously huge receiving upgrades over last year. What else you need Cincy?As things stand, I like Cincy to take this division without TO. Bring in TO, and I favor the Ravens.

It may be true Bryant currently is better than TO...but the issue is Bryant's knee...if his rehab is not progressing accordingly, the addition of TO makes sense...

 

[Yenrub]

Is TO a good blocker? He's got the size.

I think that he is and that has to be a plus for Benson and the running game

 

[jaybebo]

Is TO a good blocker? He's got the size.

Even with Dallas, TO was a shotty blocker...

 

[Hedgehog]

I still think that Palmer's elbow may be shot and people will overrate him with this signing. No way to tell for sure though.

Thats the key IMO - it may have just taken Palmer longer than expected to recover/adjust from the elbow injury. If he passes the eye test in camp and the first preseason game or 2 then I am jumping on board - the guy was a #1 QB a few years ago when he had these type of weapons.

 

[zoonation]

I don't understand why the Bengals would want TO?

Antonio Bryant is >>>> TO

With the emergence of the Bengals defense, why would they want to expand the passing game more than it is . A good running game is the best friend of a strong defense. TO and Ocho are both divas that are going to cry out. pout, mope and destroy team chemistry if they aren't featured as much as their fragile egos demand.

Antonion Bryant and the rookie TE are seriously huge receiving upgrades over last year. What else you need Cincy?

As things stand, I like Cincy to take this division without TO. Bring in TO, and I favor the Ravens.

too funny.

I'll bet you $50.00 T.O. has better per game numbers than Antonio "had one good season in my career" Bryant.

 

[JHuber77]

I don't understand why the Bengals would want TO?

Antonio Bryant is >>>> TO

With the emergence of the Bengals defense, why would they want to expand the passing game more than it is . A good running game is the best friend of a strong defense. TO and Ocho are both divas that are going to cry out. pout, mope and destroy team chemistry if they aren't featured as much as their fragile egos demand.

Antonion Bryant and the rookie TE are seriously huge receiving upgrades over last year. What else you need Cincy?

As things stand, I like Cincy to take this division without TO. Bring in TO, and I favor the Ravens.

too funny.

I'll bet you $50.00 T.O. has better per game numbers than Antonio "had one good season in my career" Bryant.

:X I too would put money on that. TO - older yet productive....see Derrick Mason. Bryant, one good season and injured quite often. Both are headcases so that argument is a baseless. TO definately will have a better season than Bryant

 

[redBourne]

Is TO a good blocker? He's got the size.

Even with Dallas, TO was a shotty blocker...

Really? I've never seen a report or post other than yours that outlined TO being a terrible blocker. In fact, I've seen multiple coverage pieces on him that he was an above average blocker, and took the role seriously. Obviously these clips only show a few plays, and there are many WR blocking assignments in a single game. But this is the first I've ever heard about his blocking being subpar.

 

[Chewbanks]

Is TO a good blocker? He's got the size.

Even with Dallas, TO was a shotty blocker...

Really? I've never seen a report or post other than yours that outlined TO being a terrible blocker. In fact, I've seen multiple coverage pieces on him that he was an above average blocker, and took the role seriously. Obviously these clips only show a few plays, and there are many WR blocking assignments in a single game. But this is the first I've ever heard about his blocking being subpar.

I think he's average, and is probably saved by the fact that he's got a lot of upper body strength and knows how to get in the DB's way to block. He's nowhere near Hines Ward, for example.

 

[Timmay]

This signing is only going to prove what Palmer can or cant do. He has no excuse this season to not perform well. If he doesnt, well he isnt as great as what everyone thinks (Mike Brown and a lot of other fans). If he does, he finally lived up to the hype after this long.

Palmer looked bad last year, he looked over matched a lot of games and made some rookie like decisions, and a lot of times just couldnt make the throws either deep or timing. Hopefully with all these added weapons to the offense this year, we will be unstoppable on offense, like we already are on defense..........championship!

 

[Spike]

I still think that Palmer's elbow may be shot and people will overrate him with this signing. No way to tell for sure though.

Thats the key IMO - it may have just taken Palmer longer than expected to recover/adjust from the elbow injury. If he passes the eye test in camp and the first preseason game or 2 then I am jumping on board - the guy was a #1 QB a few years ago when he had these type of weapons.

I'm with you. In comparison with his ADP, he could be excellent value.

 

[humpback]

Is TO a good blocker? He's got the size.

Even with Dallas, TO was a shotty blocker...

Really? I've never seen a report or post other than yours that outlined TO being a terrible blocker. In fact, I've seen multiple coverage pieces on him that he was an above average blocker, and took the role seriously. Obviously these clips only show a few plays, and there are many WR blocking assignments in a single game. But this is the first I've ever heard about his blocking being subpar.

Sounds like just another TO hater to me. He's not the best blocker in the league, but far from "shotty". From watching him play, I consider him above average, and most things I've read about him back that up.

 

[jaybebo]

Is TO a good blocker? He's got the size.

Even with Dallas, TO was a shotty blocker...

Really? I've never seen a report or post other than yours that outlined TO being a terrible blocker. In fact, I've seen multiple coverage pieces on him that he was an above average blocker, and took the role seriously. Obviously these clips only show a few plays, and there are many WR blocking assignments in a single game. But this is the first I've ever heard about his blocking being subpar.

I watched every game TO was in for Dallas...he does attempt to block but he is not effective...it seems he is not willing to "sacrafice" in that mode.

 

[Warhogs]

I think Carson Palmer may prove to be an excellent value pick. He has been QB1 material in the past and if TO still has it and if Antonio Bryant can rebound a bit I think this is the most talented group of weapons Palmer has ever had. Obviously many risks with Palmers age and injuries and not knowing what TO has left or what attitude Bryant may have but I see a lot of potential too. If you wait until the top 10 QB go before drafting a QB and Palmer is there I think you have to consider taking him.

 

[Jason Wood]

RE: Owens as a blocker...ProFootballFocus tracks this (I can't speak to the accuracy of their equation), and rated him as one of the worst blockers at his position last year:

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

...but he was right in the middle of the pack in Dallas.

 

[rotohuff]

Antonio Bryant is >>>> TO

This is a laugher right here...

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Owens has been bad the last two seasons. His last year in Dallas, he put up decent TD numbers, but he wasn't able to get off the line and was constantly dropping easy passes across the middle. Didn't see a lot of him last year in Buffalo, but I'd have a hard time projecting him for anything more than what he did last year (55/829/5).

 

[David Yudkin]

Palmer ranked 23rd in fantasy ppg over the past two seasons (only counting QBs with at least 400 passing attempts). If Owens were to net Palmer two more fantasy ppg, Palmer would jump to 16th.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I love the signing because it pushes up Carson Palmers ranking to a lot of people. I still won't touch him, but it just means another QB going higher that allows one of the QB's I do like to fall even further.

 

[Mr.Underhill]

I don't understand why the Bengals would want TO?Antonio Bryant is >>>> TOWith the emergence of the Bengals defense, why would they want to expand the passing game more than it is. A good running game is the best friend of a strong defense. TO and Ocho are both divas that are going to cry out. pout, mope and destroy team chemistry if they aren't featured as much as their fragile egos demand.Antonion Bryant and the rookie TE are seriously huge receiving upgrades over last year. What else you need Cincy?As things stand, I like Cincy to take this division without TO. Bring in TO, and I favor the Ravens.

Well, I definately disagree with you on Bryant over TO. To me it's not even 85 over TO but hey, we'll see.To me, this signing means that they're not as confident as you in Bryant. He's had issues himself staying healthy and last year Cinci struggled in the passing game with just 85 out there.

I watched about every Tampa game or highlight last year, and I can tell you, he far outshone any Tampa receiver last year. He had rookie QBs throwing him the ball, and if you break down his acutal plays, he could have been a monster if they had gotten the ball to him more. A very disciplined route runner. He is highly underrated. He does have the injury history, but I think he's beyond that. I hope that the TO news is untrue. Bryant is for real, imo. I am hoping he has a comeback year with a better team this year.

This is my take as well. Bryant seems to be one of those guys that has matured over his career. He hasn't quite turned it around a la Chris Carter, but I haven't heard near the noise about him since he came to Tampa.I also think Bryant is a better WR than T.O. at this point.So if Palmer's prior projections were based on a healthy Bryant, and now Bryant's health is such a concern that Cincy brings in (an inferior) T.O., it makes me wonder if a down tick is in order.In other words, I don't see Johnson+Owens as better than Johnson+Bryant. And I sure as hell don't see T.O. busting his a_s to contribute primarily in 3 WR sets.

 

[MAC_32]

If Carson's still throwing like he did last January it wouldn't matter if the Bengals acquired Larry Fitzgeraldn and Randy Moss, he still wouldn't be any good.

If his injury is fixed (fwiw, he declined having an operation - AGAIN) that's a different story, but it also isn't a bet I'd take. If I could get him in the 10th round in a redraft I'd consider the gamble but post TO signing that won't happen.

 

[radballs]

Palmer ranked 23rd in fantasy ppg over the past two seasons (only counting QBs with at least 400 passing attempts). If Owens were to net Palmer two more fantasy ppg, Palmer would jump to 16th.

What if it's 3-4 ppg?

 

[humpback]

Owens has been bad the last two seasons. His last year in Dallas, he put up decent TD numbers, but he wasn't able to get off the line and was constantly dropping easy passes across the middle. Didn't see a lot of him last year in Buffalo, but I'd have a hard time projecting him for anything more than what he did last year (55/829/5).

There's more to the story though. In his last year in Dallas, he played 3 games with putrid Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger at QB, and at least one more game with Romo's hand in a splint. He only put up a combined 100 yds and 1 TD in those 3 games, and had 38 yards and no TDs in Romo's first game back. His number of drops was identical to the year before, where he put up 1355 and 15 (in 13 1/2 games). He obviously isn't as good as he was in his prime, but I think some people are forgetting just how good this guy is.As for the impact on Palmer, I give him a slight to moderate bump right now, but that's assuming Bryant is healthy. If this is just TO in place of Bryant and not in addition to, his bump up will be minimal IMO- I like TO over a healthy Bryant even at this stage, but I don't think the difference is significant enough to make much of a FF difference for Palmer.

 

[Captain Hook]

Owens has been bad the last two seasons. His last year in Dallas, he put up decent TD numbers, but he wasn't able to get off the line and was constantly dropping easy passes across the middle. Didn't see a lot of him last year in Buffalo, but I'd have a hard time projecting him for anything more than what he did last year (55/829/5).

What he did last year on a terrible Bills team placed him at WR30 in PPR leagues!Hard to see him being worse than that - most projections will be for more, but even at last year's numbers he would easily be a WR3 with lots of upside

 

[David Yudkin]

Palmer ranked 23rd in fantasy ppg over the past two seasons (only counting QBs with at least 400 passing attempts). If Owens were to net Palmer two more fantasy ppg, Palmer would jump to 16th.

What if it's 3-4 ppg?

The Bills added Owens and their team QB fantasy scoring dropped by 43 points.The Cowboys added Owens and their QB scoring went up by 37 points.The Eagles added Owens and their QB scoring went up 98 points.At this point, I don't think adding Owens will add to Palmer's total by 48-64 points.

 

[Futz]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but this has big fat hot mess written all over it.

Do you think Antonio Bryant signs with Cincy knowing T.O. would be signed?

Too many mouths to feed in a run first offense to keep this ship from sinking.

 

[bostonfred]

Palmer ranked 23rd in fantasy ppg over the past two seasons (only counting QBs with at least 400 passing attempts). If Owens were to net Palmer two more fantasy ppg, Palmer would jump to 16th.

What if it's 3-4 ppg?

The Bills added Owens and their team QB fantasy scoring dropped by 43 points.The Cowboys added Owens and their QB scoring went up by 37 points.The Eagles added Owens and their QB scoring went up 98 points.At this point, I don't think adding Owens will add to Palmer's total by 48-64 points.

Palmer threw for over 4100 yards in 2007. In 2008, the Cinci passing game dropped to 2400 with Fitzpatrick taking over for Palmer week 4. In 2009, Palmer returned for 2890/21/13. It seems reasonable to think that his numbers would rise in his second year back from injury, not just because of Owens.I don't think Owens had as much to do with the Bills QB scoring last year as the Bills QBs.The year Owens arrived on the Cowboys was Bledsoe's swan song year. The fact that the Cowboys' scoring went up when Bledsoe sucked and Romo took over midseason without experience or a training camp as starter suggests that Owens was more helpful than a 37 point swing. Owens put the Eagles passing game over the top, but I agree that that's not particularly relevant to 2010 Owens.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

personaly I think both TO and 85 at this point in their careers have one thing in mind......playoffs/super bowl.....something tells me they will both still put on a show, but I think the "all about me" attitude will be left at the door.....I see a bunch of interviews with them both together happening....I really think it will be more of a joining together of two huge egos for the good of the cause then a "hey look at me thing".....I think their is a mutual respect thing here by two very talented guys....I see this recipe working where it might not with some other WR's.....

granted the first reaction might be to think, no way this works......but I have a feeling it will and believe it or not, I think both of them would be happy if one goes 9-145-2, and the other goes 2-28-0, I don't think it will matter.....I bet these guys think a ton of people won't think it will work, and I bet they work together to prove everybody wrong.......

 

[bostonfred]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but this has big fat hot mess written all over it.Do you think Antonio Bryant signs with Cincy knowing T.O. would be signed? Too many mouths to feed in a run first offense to keep this ship from sinking.

With Bryant and Owens coming from teams that sucked out loud last year, and Ocho missing Housh and Henry's presence to take the heat off him, I would expect a little bit more of a honeymoon period than normal.

 

[David Yudkin]

Palmer ranked 23rd in fantasy ppg over the past two seasons (only counting QBs with at least 400 passing attempts). If Owens were to net Palmer two more fantasy ppg, Palmer would jump to 16th.

What if it's 3-4 ppg?

The Bills added Owens and their team QB fantasy scoring dropped by 43 points.The Cowboys added Owens and their QB scoring went up by 37 points.The Eagles added Owens and their QB scoring went up 98 points.At this point, I don't think adding Owens will add to Palmer's total by 48-64 points.

Palmer threw for over 4100 yards in 2007. In 2008, the Cinci passing game dropped to 2400 with Fitzpatrick taking over for Palmer week 4. In 2009, Palmer returned for 2890/21/13. It seems reasonable to think that his numbers would rise in his second year back from injury, not just because of Owens.I don't think Owens had as much to do with the Bills QB scoring last year as the Bills QBs.The year Owens arrived on the Cowboys was Bledsoe's swan song year. The fact that the Cowboys' scoring went up when Bledsoe sucked and Romo took over midseason without experience or a training camp as starter suggests that Owens was more helpful than a 37 point swing. Owens put the Eagles passing game over the top, but I agree that that's not particularly relevant to 2010 Owens.

The Bengals in 07 had 298 QB points. They had 264 in 09. In shuffling the cards, substitute Housh and Henry for an aging Owens and a mercurial Bryant.Maybe the total numbers go up some, but I would not bet a lot that they will go through the roof.

 

[Warhogs]

Palmer ranked 23rd in fantasy ppg over the past two seasons (only counting QBs with at least 400 passing attempts). If Owens were to net Palmer two more fantasy ppg, Palmer would jump to 16th.

What if it's 3-4 ppg?

The Bills added Owens and their team QB fantasy scoring dropped by 43 points.The Cowboys added Owens and their QB scoring went up by 37 points.The Eagles added Owens and their QB scoring went up 98 points.At this point, I don't think adding Owens will add to Palmer's total by 48-64 points.

Palmer threw for over 4100 yards in 2007. In 2008, the Cinci passing game dropped to 2400 with Fitzpatrick taking over for Palmer week 4. In 2009, Palmer returned for 2890/21/13. It seems reasonable to think that his numbers would rise in his second year back from injury, not just because of Owens.I don't think Owens had as much to do with the Bills QB scoring last year as the Bills QBs.The year Owens arrived on the Cowboys was Bledsoe's swan song year. The fact that the Cowboys' scoring went up when Bledsoe sucked and Romo took over midseason without experience or a training camp as starter suggests that Owens was more helpful than a 37 point swing. Owens put the Eagles passing game over the top, but I agree that that's not particularly relevant to 2010 Owens.

The Bengals in 07 had 298 QB points. They had 264 in 09. In shuffling the cards, substitute Housh and Henry for an aging Owens and a mercurial Bryant.Maybe the total numbers go up some, but I would not bet a lot that they will go through the roof.

Maybe I undervalue Housh? I just think TO and Bryant is a much greater talent than Housh and Henry. And Gresham is supposed to be pretty good. I'm not sold on Palmer at this point but I do believe this is the best group of receivers he has ever had.

 

[Hedgehog]

Maybe I undervalue Housh? I just think TO and Bryant is a much greater talent than Housh and Henry. And Gresham is supposed to be pretty good. I'm not sold on Palmer at this point but I do believe this is the best group of receivers he has ever had.

The only thing holding back Palmer from a top 10 ranking right now is how his arm looks - he comes out throwing deep at camp and pre season he will fly up the rankings....if you can get him on the cheap now its probably worth the risk...gotta figure if his arm was shot Cincy would not be giving him all these deep threats - maybe invest in more ground and pound.....I am buying now before the rush in mid August - wost case you have a good backup that you can pair with QBBC with another decent option like McNabb