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That 2022 draft class was horrific. We don't know that BB didn't have the final say drafting these guys.
I've seen this posted just about everywhere, but IMO, McConkey would not have had numbers anywhere near the same for the Pats as he did for the Chargers. Everyone likes to slot the same production for a player when placed on a different team, but NE was a mess . . . poor coaching, OL, game scheming, etc. You could probably slice McConkey's numbers in half if he were on the Patriots. If he put up similar numbers to Douglas, would people be raving about McConkey?
Going to be really interesting, and kind of funny, if both Johnson and Vrabel decide to go elsewhere. They have no plan B. The Leftwich and Pep interviews probably went like…….hey, nice to meet you, take a seat, ok that concludes the interview. I get it though. Johnson and Vrabel are pretty much universally seen as the top two guys available so why mess around.
I wonder if they had Hamilton and Leftwich actually check a boxes on a piece of paper that reads - "Rooney Rule Requirements" Such a waste of time and sham.
I also wonder if there are rules against teams bringing in Rooney requirements candidates that have zero chance of getting hired and paying them like $100K to waste their time.
Albert Breer said as much last night. Total joke.
They clearly gamed the Rooney rule requirements by interviewing two guys that could be interviewed right away that are not legit HC candidates anywhere. Vrabel is another guy that could be hired before other candidates are even eligible to be interviewed. Maybe they think 1) Vrabel may be in high demand elsewhere, 2) they don't want to wait to interview coordinators on playoff teams, 3) other top candidates won't come to NE, 4) their candidate list may be very short, and 5) signing someone nearly a month earlier than guys from playoff teams (NFL or college) is some big advantage. Personally, I'd rather they waited and overpaid Johnson, as I think he is a destination coach . . . guys will want to play for him. I don't see Vrabel as being a reason top players would want to play for the Pats. I still think the Kraft's are acting like they are the smartest people in the room, but given how things have gone the past 5 years, I think there is enough evidence to refute that. I'm also not sure why Vrabel this year is such a better option than he was this time last year.
Agree on Vrabel.
The things you mentioned are plusses . . . but I am not sure those are things that would translate to building a championship team. IMO, those are things that would prevent them from winning only 3 games, but I am not sure that contributes to them winning 13 games. Maybe I am way off base, but the hard-nosed style of coaching and on-field strategy seems to have dissipated, and more like the NBA, the players are starting to get their way a lot more.
BB is said to be solely focused on UNC. Not sure what is a little or a lot for a buyout. It's $10 million if he leaves before 6/1 and $1 million thereafter. Not sure who would pony up $10 million to hire him now (if Bill was even interested).
Greg Olsen calls it the ping pong table rule: if there's a new head coach and there's a ping pong table, it gets taken away. If there wasn't one, it gets added. Sounds like under Mayo it was ping pong table time. Vrabel is exactly the kind of coach who commands respect and would help reset the locker room culture a bit. I hate missing out on the offensive upside of Ben Johnson but I feel like Vrabel is probably more well-equipped to manage the team in its current state than he would. The Bears would be a better fit for Johnson since they already have a better looking roster with promising young players on offense.The nonsense of the Mayo era is starting to come out...when you read stuff like this it makes me feel pretty strongly that Vrabel should be the next HC...to get this franchise back on track it's not just about x's and o's but a complete cultural overhaul and I think Vrabel is the right fit for that job.
Patriots Sources Describe the Chaos and Lack of Communication on Jerod Mayo's Watch
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Greg Olsen calls it the ping pong table rule: if there's a new head coach and there's a ping pong table, it gets taken away. If there wasn't one, it gets added. Sounds like under Mayo it was ping pong table time. Vrabel is exactly the kind of coach who commands respect and would help reset the locker room culture a bit. I hate missing out on the offensive upside of Ben Johnson but I feel like Vrabel is probably more well-equipped to manage the team in its current state than he would. The Bears would be a better fit for Johnson since they already have a better looking roster with promising young players on offense.The nonsense of the Mayo era is starting to come out...when you read stuff like this it makes me feel pretty strongly that Vrabel should be the next HC...to get this franchise back on track it's not just about x's and o's but a complete cultural overhaul and I think Vrabel is the right fit for that job.
Patriots Sources Describe the Chaos and Lack of Communication on Jerod Mayo's Watch
Eric Canha. Shutterstock Images.Like I said yesterday, when a football team fires its head coach after just one season, you can mark your calendar for three days. That's how long it typically takes f...
That money sounds like a drop in the bucket compared to some of these player contracts.
Maybe I am in the minority, but as I have touched on already, I think Vrabel with McDaniels as his OC (at least that sounds like the plan) is a good way to avoid getting 3 wins again . . . maybe they get to 6. But I don't see the upside other than they won't be grossly incompetent. Yes, Vrabel would be tougher nosed than Mayo, and McDaniels has more experience than Van Pelt, but I think both MV and JM may suffer from the same thing BB did . . . that was then, and this is now. The game is different than 10 years ago.Greg Olsen calls it the ping pong table rule: if there's a new head coach and there's a ping pong table, it gets taken away. If there wasn't one, it gets added. Sounds like under Mayo it was ping pong table time. Vrabel is exactly the kind of coach who commands respect and would help reset the locker room culture a bit. I hate missing out on the offensive upside of Ben Johnson but I feel like Vrabel is probably more well-equipped to manage the team in its current state than he would. The Bears would be a better fit for Johnson since they already have a better looking roster with promising young players on offense.The nonsense of the Mayo era is starting to come out...when you read stuff like this it makes me feel pretty strongly that Vrabel should be the next HC...to get this franchise back on track it's not just about x's and o's but a complete cultural overhaul and I think Vrabel is the right fit for that job.
Patriots Sources Describe the Chaos and Lack of Communication on Jerod Mayo's Watch
Eric Canha. Shutterstock Images.Like I said yesterday, when a football team fires its head coach after just one season, you can mark your calendar for three days. That's how long it typically takes f...
Great way to describe it...Johnson is a fantastic candidate but as you say, with the state of the franchise Vrabel makes a ton of sense as opposed to a first-year HC who will be working with about 5% of the talent he currently has outside of Maye.
But that's different than coaches. Pretty sure BB wouldn't be the one ponying up $10M to get out of his contract, so a team would have to pay UNC on top of paying Bill to coach. I'm pretty sure he will still expect to be paid as the highest coach in the league. If he got in as HC and de facto GM somewhere again like he was in NE, that team could be on the hook for $25M+ each season plus the $10M buyout (if BB got his way). Bill would likely demand a 3-year contract. I know it's not our money, but money is still money. Can't say that I see a team chomping at the bit to invest $85M on a soon to be 73-year-old said to be power hungry, controlling, and hard to work with.
I'm all in on Vrabel.Maybe I am in the minority, but as I have touched on already, I think Vrabel with McDaniels as his OC (at least that sounds like the plan) is a good way to avoid getting 3 wins again . . . maybe they get to 6. But I don't see the upside other than they won't be grossly incompetent. Yes, Vrabel would be tougher nosed than Mayo, and McDaniels has more experience than Van Pelt, but I think both MV and JM may suffer from the same thing BB did . . . that was then, and this is now. The game is different than 10 years ago.Greg Olsen calls it the ping pong table rule: if there's a new head coach and there's a ping pong table, it gets taken away. If there wasn't one, it gets added. Sounds like under Mayo it was ping pong table time. Vrabel is exactly the kind of coach who commands respect and would help reset the locker room culture a bit. I hate missing out on the offensive upside of Ben Johnson but I feel like Vrabel is probably more well-equipped to manage the team in its current state than he would. The Bears would be a better fit for Johnson since they already have a better looking roster with promising young players on offense.The nonsense of the Mayo era is starting to come out...when you read stuff like this it makes me feel pretty strongly that Vrabel should be the next HC...to get this franchise back on track it's not just about x's and o's but a complete cultural overhaul and I think Vrabel is the right fit for that job.
Patriots Sources Describe the Chaos and Lack of Communication on Jerod Mayo's Watch
Eric Canha. Shutterstock Images.Like I said yesterday, when a football team fires its head coach after just one season, you can mark your calendar for three days. That's how long it typically takes f...
Great way to describe it...Johnson is a fantastic candidate but as you say, with the state of the franchise Vrabel makes a ton of sense as opposed to a first-year HC who will be working with about 5% of the talent he currently has outside of Maye.
IMO, Johnson offers a lot more creativity and can push the right buttons to modernize the offense quickly. Look what Kingsbury did in WAS. I think if they filled out the rest of the coaching staff with savvy, seasoned guys (and a couple young guys that could move up the ranks), they would be way better off than this past season. The biggest problem is the talent funnel . . . and Wolfe and company have not excelled on bringing in capable players. If they build the coaching staff properly, they should be able to indicate to the front office the types of players they want to have brought in . . . and that would accelerate the team growth and development process even faster.
But as we all have been saying for a while now, until they bring in more talent, the coaching staff (no matter who's on it) will be hamstrung to work miracles.
McD signed with LV for 6/$60. He still is due half the money (unless he already got the money). I can't see any reason he would stoop to the level of taking a position he had 20 years ago. That's like asking BB to be a LB coach somewhere (which he last was 40 years ago).
Yup. Ideal. But that's fantasyland.
Maybe I am in the minority, but as I have touched on already, I think Vrabel with McDaniels as his OC (at least that sounds like the plan) is a good way to avoid getting 3 wins again . . . maybe they get to 6. But I don't see the upside other than they won't be grossly incompetent. Yes, Vrabel would be tougher nosed than Mayo, and McDaniels has more experience than Van Pelt, but I think both MV and JM may suffer from the same thing BB did . . . that was then, and this is now. The game is different than 10 years ago.Greg Olsen calls it the ping pong table rule: if there's a new head coach and there's a ping pong table, it gets taken away. If there wasn't one, it gets added. Sounds like under Mayo it was ping pong table time. Vrabel is exactly the kind of coach who commands respect and would help reset the locker room culture a bit. I hate missing out on the offensive upside of Ben Johnson but I feel like Vrabel is probably more well-equipped to manage the team in its current state than he would. The Bears would be a better fit for Johnson since they already have a better looking roster with promising young players on offense.The nonsense of the Mayo era is starting to come out...when you read stuff like this it makes me feel pretty strongly that Vrabel should be the next HC...to get this franchise back on track it's not just about x's and o's but a complete cultural overhaul and I think Vrabel is the right fit for that job.
Patriots Sources Describe the Chaos and Lack of Communication on Jerod Mayo's Watch
Eric Canha. Shutterstock Images.Like I said yesterday, when a football team fires its head coach after just one season, you can mark your calendar for three days. That's how long it typically takes f...
Great way to describe it...Johnson is a fantastic candidate but as you say, with the state of the franchise Vrabel makes a ton of sense as opposed to a first-year HC who will be working with about 5% of the talent he currently has outside of Maye.
IMO, Johnson offers a lot more creativity and can push the right buttons to modernize the offense quickly. Look what Kingsbury did in WAS. I think if they filled out the rest of the coaching staff with savvy, seasoned guys (and a couple young guys that could move up the ranks), they would be way better off than this past season. The biggest problem is the talent funnel . . . and Wolfe and company have not excelled on bringing in capable players. If they build the coaching staff properly, they should be able to indicate to the front office the types of players they want to have brought in . . . and that would accelerate the team growth and development process even faster.
But as we all have been saying for a while now, until they bring in more talent, the coaching staff (no matter who's on it) will be hamstrung to work miracles.
Apparently Johnson and Wolf have some kind of relationship so maybe in the Johnson scenario he sticks around for some reason.
Lots of varying opinions on where things stand. Bedard says there's a 90%+ likelihood it will be Vrabel and it will be soon, based on the Kraft's not wanting to rookie coach again. Curran thinks MV is the most likely and leading candidate, but until there is an agreement, it means they are still looking at other options. Schefter still saying it could end up being Vrabel eventually, but NE will explore a lot more options and don't want to just go with the first thing that comes along without doing more due diligence (especially after last year where they didn't even interview anyone). He hinted at it could take weeks for them to decide.
I always wondered how guys could make All Pro teams but not make the Pro Bowl.
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I think McDaniels is too big a presence. Vrabel isn't a spotlight sharer type.
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