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In non Diggs news, W. Campbell's arm's measured at 33 inches!!!!

Looks like Campbell is back on the menu at #4.

Lol.
Ted Johnson went on a deep dive about this the other day on the radio. It was so in depth that I could barely keep up with it, but someone had to have done a fair amount of research and basically said there was only one tackle taken in the Top 15 draft picks of each draft across like the last 25 drafts with short arms that worked out. They brought up a ton of names, and I admit, I am not that up on my historical early OT draft picks and didn't know many of the names.

To be fair, I missed the beginning of the discussion to hear what their definition of "short arms" and "working out" meant. But Ted's opinion was that Cambell is better suited to be a guard, and you don't take someone like that at #4. He said looking at the bright side, maybe Campbell could be the exception, but he suggested letting another team be the ones to take the risk and find that out.
 
In non Diggs news, W. Campbell's arm's measured at 33 inches!!!!

Looks like Campbell is back on the menu at #4.

Lol.
Pro Day. They always embellish the measurements favorably for their athletes (see Tet's 40 time at his Arizona Pro Day). The Combine provides more accurate measurements.
 
Counting the last 4 drafts and this draft class, NFL . com rated 12 OT higher than Cambell in that time. He's second in this class after Membou. Last year, he would have been the 6th rated tackle. Granted, last year there were a lot of first round tackles selected (7 of them). He strikes me as a guy that will be a long-term starter but probably not at an elite level. Is getting a guy that might be an above average tackle that could play for 8-10 years worth the 4th pick?
 
Counting the last 4 drafts and this draft class, NFL . com rated 12 OT higher than Cambell in that time. He's second in this class after Membou. Last year, he would have been the 6th rated tackle. Granted, last year there were a lot of first round tackles selected (7 of them). He strikes me as a guy that will be a long-term starter but probably not at an elite level. Is getting a guy that might be an above average tackle that could play for 8-10 years worth the 4th pick?

What do you mean by above-average? What would be the comp?
 
Counting the last 4 drafts and this draft class, NFL . com rated 12 OT higher than Cambell in that time. He's second in this class after Membou. Last year, he would have been the 6th rated tackle. Granted, last year there were a lot of first round tackles selected (7 of them). He strikes me as a guy that will be a long-term starter but probably not at an elite level. Is getting a guy that might be an above average tackle that could play for 8-10 years worth the 4th pick?

What do you mean by above-average? What would be the comp?
Hadn't really given it a ton of thought. Nate Solder? Sebastian Vollmer?
 
Wow. S. Diggs. For what looks like a lot more $'s than I would of expected.

It's not my money, but damn.

They must have really liked what they saw in the medicals.
He couldn't have possibly had good medicals.
He's post surgery needing PT and all sorts of recovery.

I am wondering if there isn't an out in that contract if XYZ doesn't happen. It is oddly large and I'm guessing Cowden said for that much money Diggs has to...idk.

Remember Belichick and his strenuous workouts for free agents and holding players to some metrics to be able to participate in camp? Vrabel was around for all that and he's not just giving a 32 year old WR that much money.

Hopkins was overcoming an injury and despite Vrabel's love for his game and time in Houston, he wasn't signed til late July yet he visited in June.
 
In non Diggs news, W. Campbell's arm's measured at 33 inches!!!!

Looks like Campbell is back on the menu at #4.

Lol.
His wingspan was still smallish.
As I said weeks ago, Vrabel just did this dance and no way he does it again.
Skoronski was the top T in the draft and picked at 11. He only has played G and Vrabel got questioned a lot then finally said something like he's not answering those Qs anymore, he's a guard.
Sooo Andre Dillard their free agent LT stunk and now all the reporters were asking if Skoronski would move to LT again.
"Ryan Tannehill was sacked 400 times last game, will the team reconsider moving Skor to LT?"
Did I mention how bad of a draft value that was by taking a G at 11 and before actual LTs?

So Skoronski has lots of great technique and shows tons of signs he'll be a very good G but then he hits the rookie wall and struggles while Dillard gets benched. Guess what questions came about then?

Have you seen the videos of him working out prospects at pro days recently? Vrabel is obsessed with arms and the punch and all.
He is either running a drill at a pro day or like leave me alone I gotta watch this drill.

Here's one from years ago that's a bit long but what I'm saying

 
In non Diggs news, W. Campbell's arm's measured at 33 inches!!!!

Looks like Campbell is back on the menu at #4.

Lol.
Have you seen the videos of him working out prospects at pro days recently? Vrabel is obsessed with arms and the punch and all.
He is either running a drill at a pro day or like leave me alone I gotta watch this drill.

Here's one from years ago that's a bit long but what I'm saying

That was possibly the easiest search ever
I think this is today
By himself and what's the drill 😁

Im telling ya there's something good about him being predictable
 
Counting the last 4 drafts and this draft class, NFL . com rated 12 OT higher than Cambell in that time. He's second in this class after Membou. Last year, he would have been the 6th rated tackle. Granted, last year there were a lot of first round tackles selected (7 of them). He strikes me as a guy that will be a long-term starter but probably not at an elite level. Is getting a guy that might be an above average tackle that could play for 8-10 years worth the 4th pick?

What do you mean by above-average? What would be the comp?
Hadn't really given it a ton of thought. Nate Solder? Sebastian Vollmer?

I would have zero issues with a Solder level LT at #4 in this draft but I see him as better than above-average...if you could lock up LT for the next decade that would be a huge step forward for their offense...while it may not be the flashiest pick this draft is a little different than others so I would be real comfortable if we knew we were getting a player of that caliber...I have always felt Matt Light was the most underrated player of the Brady/BB era but Solder did a nice job as well on two Super Bowl winners...the Pats were very fortunate to have LT locked down with Light and Solder from 2001 to 2017 and is something I think is often overlooked.
 
Draft is less than a month away...Pats have had a very productive offseason but they are not getting out of this hole without upgrading their drafts...the good news is they have the #4 pick (well not really good news because that means you are not good) but the bad news is this is not a draft where a no-brainer that combines talent and need like Joe Alt or Jemar Chase is staring at them at 1.4...so what are the options:

1-Carter or Hunter-if 2 QBs go before them (certainly a possibility) they are looking at a legit blue-chip player with one of these guys...if Hunter commits to WR this is a pretty easy pick IMO...you can't really pass on Carter (although his foot scares me) but this pick is an opportunity to make an impact on offense which they are desperate for.

2-Will Campbell-if you believe he can be a high-end starting LT this is another easy pick...the fact he is seen as a leader is an additional positive...the issue is there are some red flags about what position will be the best fit for him and it's tough to justify selecting him here if they have those concerns...you really need be certain about this one.

3-Trade down-if a QB is on the board it is easy to see how this could unfold...if Carter is there it could also happen...all comes down to how far you are dropping and what picks you are getting in return.

4-Best offensive skill position player available-this would mean Jeanty, McMillan and Warren...probably not the optimal scenario but as we all know this draft is a bit different...to do this you would have to be convinced that both Jeanty and Warren are elite and McMillan is a legit #1...I think this is pretty unlikely unless they trade down and snag one of them later.

5-One of the other O-linemen-probably means Banks or Membou...really don't see them taking one of them at 1.4 especially since Membou was a RT in college...like option #4 these guys (and possibly Simmons) probably come into play if they trade down.

6-The wildcard pick-the pick that you don't really see coming...in this draft the names would probably be edge guys like Walker, Pearce and Williams or Graham at DL...with their holes on O this would be a big surprise but there is no doubt these are intriguing players with a lot of upside.

7-Trade for a veteran-no clue how this would even go down but figured to include it since I feel like anything is possible at this point...I don't even give this 1% chance of happening.

This is such an important pick for the Pats and after a productive FA period this could be another step in the right direction for the Vrabel era...right now I am keeping an open mind about what to do but there is zero doubt that they need to nail this pick (along with a few others) if they are to get out of the rut they are in...one thing is for sure is I expect 100 rumors between now and draft day.
 
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The Pats hit on their last two first round picks in Maye and Gonzalez, but they ended up with some duds for years . . . Cole Strange, Mac Jones, N'Keal Harry, Isaiah Wynn, Sony Michel, Malcom Brown, and Dominque Easley going back 10 years. We'll pin the blame on those picks on Bill, but Wolf was around for some of them (with Groh around for all of them).

Here's who was picked in the first round by the Titans when Vrabel was HC. LB Rashaan Evans (mostly a miss), DT Jeffery Simmons (hit), T Isaiah Wilson (huge miss), CB Caleb Farley (miss), WR Treylon Burks (miss), OT Peter Skoonski (too soon to tell but switched from OT to G so mostly a miss). Cowden was in TEN for 2 years before Vrabel got there. Those picks were WR Corey Davis (miss) and RT Jack Conklin (pretty much a hit). The only first round pick LV made while McDaniels was HC was DE Tyree Wilson (still early but hasn't shown much yet).

I think most of us are using the same thought process. Hunter or Carter if available, try to trade down if not. I wouldn't be against taking Jeanty if he was around and Hunter and Carter were already picked. He has elite upside. I'd rather they did that than take an OT there. Not knowing what they would get back in a trade or how far they dropped down, I'd probably be okay with Jeanty vs. a trade. IMO, not a ton of difference in the OT or WR that would be available with their next pick.
 
The Pats hit on their last two first round picks in Maye and Gonzalez, but they ended up with some duds for years . . . Cole Strange, Mac Jones, N'Keal Harry, Isaiah Wynn, Sony Michel, Malcom Brown, and Dominque Easley going back 10 years. We'll pin the blame on those picks on Bill, but Wolf was around for some of them (with Groh around for all of them).

Here's who was picked in the first round by the Titans when Vrabel was HC. LB Rashaan Evans (mostly a miss), DT Jeffery Simmons (hit), T Isaiah Wilson (huge miss), CB Caleb Farley (miss), WR Treylon Burks (miss), OT Peter Skoonski (too soon to tell but switched from OT to G so mostly a miss). Cowden was in TEN for 2 years before Vrabel got there. Those picks were WR Corey Davis (miss) and RT Jack Conklin (pretty much a hit). The only first round pick LV made while McDaniels was HC was DE Tyree Wilson (still early but hasn't shown much yet).

I think most of us are using the same thought process. Hunter or Carter if available, try to trade down if not. I wouldn't be against taking Jeanty if he was around and Hunter and Carter were already picked. He has elite upside. I'd rather they did that than take an OT there. Not knowing what they would get back in a trade or how far they dropped down, I'd probably be okay with Jeanty vs. a trade. IMO, not a ton of difference in the OT or WR that would be available with their next pick.
Agree. I mentioned that before.

He seems like a can't miss so if we can't trust this crew to not screw it up with a trade down, take one of the three blue chippers.

I'd even consider TE Warren in there too. We know how McDaniel's loves his 2 TEs.
 
Not a difficult choice if Vrabel had the Jets and ??? at QB or NE with Maye as options. I suppose Vrabel could have explored other HC options beyond that, but those two were the ones we knew about. Plus, there's been talk that Vrabel was planning or considering coaching the Pats for a while when Mayo wasn't working out (so other teams probably weren't that big a consideration).
 
Not a difficult choice if Vrabel had the Jets and ??? at QB or NE with Maye as options. I suppose Vrabel could have explored other HC options beyond that, but those two were the ones we knew about. Plus, there's been talk that Vrabel was planning or considering coaching the Pats for a while when Mayo wasn't working out (so other teams probably weren't that big a consideration).

The point about what this franchise would look like without Maye is terrifying...I never understood the trade out of #3 chatter last year...if you can get a potential franchise with your own pick you need to do it...you just never know when you will get that opportunity again.
 
Not a difficult choice if Vrabel had the Jets and ??? at QB or NE with Maye as options. I suppose Vrabel could have explored other HC options beyond that, but those two were the ones we knew about. Plus, there's been talk that Vrabel was planning or considering coaching the Pats for a while when Mayo wasn't working out (so other teams probably weren't that big a consideration).

The point about what this franchise would look like without Maye is terrifying...I never understood the trade out of #3 chatter last year...if you can get a potential franchise with your own pick you need to do it...you just never know when you will get that opportunity again.
I guess it depends on the draft. This year, there aren't that many blue-chip prospects, if there are 3 of them and you have the 4th pick, it might make sense to trade down. NE needs OT and WR help the most, and a lot of folks don't think there is a Top 10 worthy pick at those positions. If they really want one of the top guys at those spots, then trading down might make sense.

I'm not totally sold on Maye just yet. He exceeded my expectations last year, but they didn't really have many high-pressure situations. He may not have many this year either . . . it's not like he had to go the length of the field with a minute to go win a playoff game in KC. But he did flash a lot, and we can only hope they give him a line, better skill players, and a better scheme to work with.
 
Not a difficult choice if Vrabel had the Jets and ??? at QB or NE with Maye as options. I suppose Vrabel could have explored other HC options beyond that, but those two were the ones we knew about. Plus, there's been talk that Vrabel was planning or considering coaching the Pats for a while when Mayo wasn't working out (so other teams probably weren't that big a consideration).

The point about what this franchise would look like without Maye is terrifying...I never understood the trade out of #3 chatter last year...if you can get a potential franchise with your own pick you need to do it...you just never know when you will get that opportunity again.
I guess it depends on the draft. This year, there aren't that many blue-chip prospects, if there are 3 of them and you have the 4th pick, it might make sense to trade down. NE needs OT and WR help the most, and a lot of folks don't think there is a Top 10 worthy pick at those positions. If they really want one of the top guys at those spots, then trading down might make sense.

I'm not totally sold on Maye just yet. He exceeded my expectations last year, but they didn't really have many high-pressure situations. He may not have many this year either . . . it's not like he had to go the length of the field with a minute to go win a playoff game in KC. But he did flash a lot, and we can only hope they give him a line, better skill players, and a better scheme to work with.

Definitely depends on the draft and I am talking specifically about QBs and last year it was a complete no-brainer...still early but I am all in on Maye and I think working with McDaniels at this point in his career is a blessing...I see an "it" factor with the kid and as long as he learns how to slide I don't think we'll have to worry about the QB position for a very long time.
 
I could get behind Jeanty or Warren at 4 if Hunter and Carter are gone and nobody wants to trade up. It’s not the best use of resources since neither is really a high priced premium position but neither is a swing and miss either imo. Everyone else looks like mid 1st round picks in most drafts.
 
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Not a difficult choice if Vrabel had the Jets and ??? at QB or NE with Maye as options. I suppose Vrabel could have explored other HC options beyond that, but those two were the ones we knew about. Plus, there's been talk that Vrabel was planning or considering coaching the Pats for a while when Mayo wasn't working out (so other teams probably weren't that big a consideration).

The point about what this franchise would look like without Maye is terrifying...I never understood the trade out of #3 chatter last year...if you can get a potential franchise with your own pick you need to do it...you just never know when you will get that opportunity again.
I guess it depends on the draft. This year, there aren't that many blue-chip prospects, if there are 3 of them and you have the 4th pick, it might make sense to trade down. NE needs OT and WR help the most, and a lot of folks don't think there is a Top 10 worthy pick at those positions. If they really want one of the top guys at those spots, then trading down might make sense.

I'm not totally sold on Maye just yet. He exceeded my expectations last year, but they didn't really have many high-pressure situations. He may not have many this year either . . . it's not like he had to go the length of the field with a minute to go win a playoff game in KC. But he did flash a lot, and we can only hope they give him a line, better skill players, and a better scheme to work with.
I think your glass is half empty attitude towards the Pats is warranted, but with Maye I think you're wrong.

He had NOTHING at WR and at the Oline and made things happen.

I'm all in. He passes the eye test for me.
 
Not a difficult choice if Vrabel had the Jets and ??? at QB or NE with Maye as options. I suppose Vrabel could have explored other HC options beyond that, but those two were the ones we knew about. Plus, there's been talk that Vrabel was planning or considering coaching the Pats for a while when Mayo wasn't working out (so other teams probably weren't that big a consideration).

The point about what this franchise would look like without Maye is terrifying...I never understood the trade out of #3 chatter last year...if you can get a potential franchise with your own pick you need to do it...you just never know when you will get that opportunity again.
I guess it depends on the draft. This year, there aren't that many blue-chip prospects, if there are 3 of them and you have the 4th pick, it might make sense to trade down. NE needs OT and WR help the most, and a lot of folks don't think there is a Top 10 worthy pick at those positions. If they really want one of the top guys at those spots, then trading down might make sense.

I'm not totally sold on Maye just yet. He exceeded my expectations last year, but they didn't really have many high-pressure situations. He may not have many this year either . . . it's not like he had to go the length of the field with a minute to go win a playoff game in KC. But he did flash a lot, and we can only hope they give him a line, better skill players, and a better scheme to work with.

If this draft is mediocre and it will take multiple years to rebuild this team, I wonder if Vrabel and company would CONSIDER ditching the first round entirely if they miss out on Hunter and Carter.

Trade down multiple times, get picks next year and in the middle rounds this year (and take advantage of where there's good depth at positions like RB and TE).

Not saying it's the right thing to do or what they will do. Would be interesting to know if this is under consideration. I've got to think they are doing their homework on NEXT year right now as well.
 
Here's who was picked in the first round by the Titans when Vrabel was HC. LB Rashaan Evans (mostly a miss), DT Jeffery Simmons (hit), T Isaiah Wilson (huge miss), CB Caleb Farley (miss), WR Treylon Burks (miss), OT Peter Skoonski (too soon to tell but switched from OT to G so mostly a miss). Cowden was in TEN for 2 years before Vrabel got there. Those picks were WR Corey Davis (miss) and RT Jack Conklin (pretty much a hit). The only first round pick LV made while McDaniels was HC was DE Tyree Wilson (still early but hasn't shown much yet).
Cowden was with the Titans 2016-2022. Largely given credit from JRob when JRob wasn't soaking it all in.
The key takeaways-
Henry when they appeared to steal Demarco Murray from the Eagles.
Lewan followed by Conklin- bookend tackles. Conklin was all pro as a rookie. Trade for Dennis Kelly a very good reserve T. Everyone was a LT. We did not discuss RT as a position so much as someone would have to play there. I think on this often as a tactic for drafting. It may be the wise way.

Davis then AJB
Had DT Casey but drafted Big Jeff. Both the anchors of the defense and up there as very good players in NFL.

Kevin Byard was Lebeau's insistence of a pick. Very good safety built nothing like Polamalu but played Polamalu's position well. Vrabel (Steelers background) switched him to classic half of field deep coverage but he'd occasionally be at the LOS and wouldn't cover the TE unless it was a top TE then he was the man for the job. He was a real chess piece for Vrabel.

Cowden is phenomenal at adding UDFAs. It was really vital to cover bad picks and he always added some. JRob would say Director of Personnel deserves credit on these and stuff like that.
Nose tackles almost every year.
Third down backs like Faulk on paper but they all stunk....still they kept going to the well like an obsession and that's a Pats roots thing. (Dion Lewis too)

There were a good number of WRs that I liked just fine in 3rd to UDFA. Some busts but Tajae Sharpe and Taywan Taylor and some that were like yeah you're a fine third or fourth WR. They went to this well a lot.

Lebeau had DBs train as CBs and S. I enjoyed this and found it fascinating. Vrabel would be intrigued, go away from it, bring it back...over n over til finally doing it again.

Vrabel's pet was Otis Reese a safety turned LB that still hasn't really had much chance to play but it stuck and they drafted another safety turned LB.

It seems smart. DBs get injured sooo often and I'm curious if Vrabel has them dual train in camp.

One of the things I noticed is he's looking at who can tackle. Everyone is talking coverage but Vrabel was partially moving them around because he wants to see if they're chumps on the outside or not. They're last ditch last hope tacklers some times and...I would guess you see this.

Some of the DBs took too long to develop but did. Molden and Theo just signed nice free agent deals for depth guys finally getting a chance with other teams

Another reason is timeouts and I know he did it to BB at least once. The QB thinks the DBs are in wrong positions and...there's a late timeout. A bit petty like the punt delay of game stuff but I like those little nuggets in games.

(I've mentioned all the LBs before)

Summary- I think you'll be pleased that you're going to get some decent fillin 4th to UDFA players, safety, RB,T, DL are big, and a good player is a good player it'll work itself out later
 
I've been trying to find out more about Matt Stevens but couldn't find much so I thought I'd try here. Any idea how he passed? I was also curious what happened with his wife? None of the announcements mention her.
 
Pats are releasing linebacker Ja'Whaun Bentley.

Interesting. My Christian Elliss share just got a little more exciting. I mean, they are paying the man a decent amount to play linebacker. Let's see he and Spillane do what they do. Spillane is an early-down run thumper and Elliss is more of a coverage guy/blitzer. That is, if Elliss can beat out Tavai for the spot, which I think seems likely.
 
Pats are releasing linebacker Ja'Whaun Bentley.

Interesting. My Christian Elliss share just got a little more exciting. I mean, they are paying the man a decent amount to play linebacker. Let's see he and Spillane do what they do. Spillane is an early-down run thumper and Elliss is more of a coverage guy/blitzer. That is, if Elliss can beat out Tavai for the spot, which I think seems likely.

Tavai is on thin ice...besides just being mediocre and probably not being a good fit for the new D he got mouthy last season and I don't see that going over well with the new regime...Bedard has an aticle on BSJ about other veterans who could be released and wrote this:

LB Jahlani Tavai: I was surprised he wasn't the first one out the door after the great linebacker migration. But he does have some edge versatility. Still, he's a big and slow linebacker at heart. That's not going to last long here.
 
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Pats trade pick 4 to Saints for Olave, pick 9 and pick 71. Please and thank you.
Would be curious what the trade chart says on this. I don't mind it.

Risk with Olave and concussions, but there's risk with anyone and injuries.

At 9, could still possibly grab W. Campbell at a more reasonable price. Maybe Jeanty slips a little. Warren would be there.
 
Diggs deal: https://www.si.com/nfl/stefon-diggs-complete-contract-details-patriots

Albert Breer

@AlbertBreer

Patriots WR Stefon Diggs' 3-year, $63.5 million deal.• $16.6M fully guaranteed.• $22.6M injury guarantee.• $18.5M base pay in '25.• $3.4M in per-game roster bonuses in '25.• $5.5M in total incentives.It's a year-to-year deal.

Albert Breer

@AlbertBreer

This one is a good example of how surface numbers don't always reflect the reality of the deal. Patriots are protected six ways from Sunday. Diggs will have to get healthy and play really well to get even to $20M in '25—with '26 and '27 effectively team options on the contract.
 
Diggs deal: https://www.si.com/nfl/stefon-diggs-complete-contract-details-patriots

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer

Patriots WR Stefon Diggs' 3-year, $63.5 million deal.• $16.6M fully guaranteed.• $22.6M injury guarantee.• $18.5M base pay in '25.• $3.4M in per-game roster bonuses in '25.• $5.5M in total incentives.It's a year-to-year deal.

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer

This one is a good example of how surface numbers don't always reflect the reality of the deal. Patriots are protected six ways from Sunday. Diggs will have to get healthy and play really well to get even to $20M in '25—with '26 and '27 effectively team options on the contract.

Complete no-brainer!
 
Pats trade pick 4 to Saints for Olave, pick 9 and pick 71. Please and thank you.
Would be curious what the trade chart says on this. I don't mind it.

Risk with Olave and concussions, but there's risk with anyone and injuries.

At 9, could still possibly grab W. Campbell at a more reasonable price. Maybe Jeanty slips a little. Warren would be there.

Question...is Olave actually on the trade block? I keep seeing these rumors out there and would love it but just feel like this is wishful thinking for Patriot fans...if there is a deal to be made with New Orleans Milton could be a piece...Carr is short-term and Rattler's probably not the answer so this would give them another swing at the position...although if they have in interest would it be to go after Sanders if the Browns and NYG pass on him? Definitely fun speculation...it's that time of the year.
 
Pats trade pick 4 to Saints for Olave, pick 9 and pick 71. Please and thank you.
Would be curious what the trade chart says on this. I don't mind it.

Risk with Olave and concussions, but there's risk with anyone and injuries.

At 9, could still possibly grab W. Campbell at a more reasonable price. Maybe Jeanty slips a little. Warren would be there.

drafttek trade values

pick 4 1800

pick 9 1350
pick 71 235
pick 75 215

so the proprosed trade values Olave as a mid third rounder.

I hadn't considered the actual values; I was just spit-balling / wishing.
 
afaik, the Olave stuff is just rumor / speculation....but I think its more likely than Pittsburg giving up Pickens (as there have been rumors of the Steelers wanting to move up too).
 
Diggs deal: https://www.si.com/nfl/stefon-diggs-complete-contract-details-patriots

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer

Patriots WR Stefon Diggs' 3-year, $63.5 million deal.• $16.6M fully guaranteed.• $22.6M injury guarantee.• $18.5M base pay in '25.• $3.4M in per-game roster bonuses in '25.• $5.5M in total incentives.It's a year-to-year deal.

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer

This one is a good example of how surface numbers don't always reflect the reality of the deal. Patriots are protected six ways from Sunday. Diggs will have to get healthy and play really well to get even to $20M in '25—with '26 and '27 effectively team options on the contract.
"Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer has the full details of Diggs' deal with the Patriots:

• $16.6 million fully guaranteed.
• $22.6 million guaranteed for injury.

• $18.5 million in 2025
$12.0 million signing bonus (fully guaranteed).
$2.9 million base (fully guaranteed).
$3.4 million in per-game roster bonuses.
$200K workout bonus.

• $22.5 million in 2026
$20.6 million base ($1.7 million fully guaranteed, $6 million more guaranteed for injury).
$1.7 million in per-game roster bonuses.
$200K workout bonus.
$6 million injury guaranteed becomes fully guaranteed next March."
 
afaik, the Olave stuff is just rumor / speculation....but I think its more likely than Pittsburg giving up Pickens (as there have been rumors of the Steelers wanting to move up too).

I want no part of Pickens...very talented but too immature and I don't see it changing anytime soon...and I don't see his upcoming contract negotiations being pleasant.
 
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Pats trade pick 4 to Saints for Olave, pick 9 and pick 71. Please and thank you.
Would be curious what the trade chart says on this. I don't mind it.

Risk with Olave and concussions, but there's risk with anyone and injuries.

At 9, could still possibly grab W. Campbell at a more reasonable price. Maybe Jeanty slips a little. Warren would be there.

Question...is Olave actually on the trade block? I keep seeing these rumors out there and would love it but just feel like this is wishful thinking for Patriot fans...if there is a deal to be made with New Orleans Milton could be a piece...Carr is short-term and Rattler's probably not the answer so this would give them another swing at the position...although if they have in interest would it be to go after Sanders if the Browns and NYG pass on him? Definitely fun speculation...it's that time of the year.
I've read a number of people that believe Milton is some time away. It may be a year. He may have a great camp and sub in midseason and take over from there. Maybe just the following year. It may never happen.

I think that's Rattler's description too.
He had a lot of good moments in camp and that made them change their "red shirt year" plan but when he played it was evident he needs more time.

As Cosell often says, it depends what the QB coach believes he(coach) can accomplish and in what time frame.

Jim Miller wasn't a very good player but I like him as a young QB evaluator and Rich Gannon too. They see stuff I don't and I like the mix of positives with the negatives. They're both pretty much in vague agreement with a lot of typical young QB issues w Milton.

Rattler has been a top talent since high school. He had a lot of processing issues. For me, he'd get burnt by an INT and then burned again like did you learn one bit? He did a great job fixing this bad habit. I absolutely could notice he learned and adjusted.

Kurt Warner points out Rattler figures things out and gets comfy then the OC calls a different set and is immediately uncomfortable again. He points out that in this scenario he's reading the safety and in this one he's reading this guy and...he thinks they were teaching him on the fly last year. Also, reading the wrong guy wrong thoughts led to predictable interceptions. Kurt wanted to know what they're telling him w helmet communication. He thinks they have a lot on tape to work through and it'll depend how fast Rattler can learn.

I think the Saints are fine with Rattler as whatever a probably not play guy is. He seems to meet whatever criteria we have and with the team openly showing it that makes me think they're quite comfy with him as a project
 
A while back, Morning guy on Sirius opined that Maye and Milton may be at the same level in class each day. Despite Maye clearly being better, learning wise, they may show up every day ready to learn the same thing.

That stuck with me.

What would it be like if Maye is a sophomore and some new drafted guy is a freshman? Is that annoying for a teacher(coach)?

Everyone thinking Milton's potential is all that's impacting the trade value but maybe some of it is the Pats just aren't looking forward to two inexperienced guys at different levels.

If Milton is traded, I think it's possible the Pats don't replace him and also if they do, that they add another young guy with a bit of experience. I have some doubts it'll be a drafted player
 
A while back, Morning guy on Sirius opined that Maye and Milton may be at the same level in class each day. Despite Maye clearly being better, learning wise, they may show up every day ready to learn the same thing.

That stuck with me.

What would it be like if Maye is a sophomore and some new drafted guy is a freshman? Is that annoying for a teacher(coach)?

Everyone thinking Milton's potential is all that's impacting the trade value but maybe some of it is the Pats just aren't looking forward to two inexperienced guys at different levels.

If Milton is traded, I think it's possible the Pats don't replace him and also if they do, that they add another young guy with a bit of experience. I have some doubts it'll be a drafted player

I think it is pretty simple...Maye is the franchise QB and nothing is going to change that for at least a few years...Milton is the ultimate tease...he checks every box physically in a big way and all reports are he looked good in practices last year and while it was a meaningless week 18 game and you need to take it with a very big grain of salt he looked like John Elway in that game...he is still a complete question mark but if you are a team that is QB-hungry and your options are limited he would not be a bad dice roll...the question is how much do you give up for him and if you are the Pats why give up a QB that costs little plays easily the most important position for something like a fifth round pick when if Maye got hurt and Milton played 5 or 6 games and looked good you would be looking at a major haul in a trade...the Pats brought in Dobbs so I think the inexperienced part is now covered...that is his role...I'd rather have an upside guy as the #3 QB than another backup that has no upside but ultimately the Pats have big holes and I hope they figure out a way to deal Milton and get something of substance back...whether that is realistic or not at this point remains to be seen...there is a lot of speculation the Pats will try to move back into the late first round and maybe Milton can be an asset along with their #2 and another pick that helps achieve that.
 
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Hard to tell who will be available and who they would want to target, but there’s been reports from a lot of people out there that there may not even be 10 players graded as first round picks. There are also a lot of interchangeable players rated similarly at several positions, so not sure offering a package to get someone in the first round that isn’t really a first round talent would make sense. May make more sense to trade picks from this year to get into next year’s draft.
 
Reiss wonders if Diggs will replace Douglas in the slot
They’re going to need to find another boundary option at WR if that’s going to work. Boutte and Hollins aren’t going to cut it as more than rotational options there, and Polk and Baker haven’t shown enough to be depended on either. It was easily for Diggs to move around between slot and boundary with the Texans because they had Collins and Dell. No such talent there with the Patriots as of now apart from Diggs himself.
 
Reiss wonders if Diggs will replace Douglas in the slot
They’re going to need to find another boundary option at WR if that’s going to work. Boutte and Hollins aren’t going to cut it as more than rotational options there, and Polk and Baker haven’t shown enough to be depended on either. It was easily for Diggs to move around between slot and boundary with the Texans because they had Collins and Dell. No such talent there with the Patriots as of now apart from Diggs himself.

Matt Harmon of Reception Perception did his yearly charting of Diggs. Said he doesn’t win deep anymore but can still play outside (and the slot). Since your best receiver in the role he is playing now is Demario Douglas (he’s not your best receiver but he’s the best in his role on the team, i.e., he’s better in the slot than Boutte or Bourne are out wide), it would probably behoove the Patriots to move Diggs out wide while acknowledging his limitations in the deep passing game.
 
Reiss wonders if Diggs will replace Douglas in the slot
They’re going to need to find another boundary option at WR if that’s going to work. Boutte and Hollins aren’t going to cut it as more than rotational options there, and Polk and Baker haven’t shown enough to be depended on either. It was easily for Diggs to move around between slot and boundary with the Texans because they had Collins and Dell. No such talent there with the Patriots as of now apart from Diggs himself.

Matt Harmon of Reception Perception did his yearly charting of Diggs. Said he doesn’t win deep anymore but can still play outside (and the slot). Since your best receiver in the role he is playing now is Demario Douglas (he’s not your best receiver but he’s the best in his role on the team, i.e., he’s better in the slot than Boutte or Bourne are out wide), it would probably behoove the Patriots to move Diggs out wide while acknowledging his limitations in the deep passing game.

I don't think Pop is a fit for the slot in a McDaniel's offense...those guys take some pretty good hits and Pop just isn't built for that.
 

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