SeniorVBDStudent
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Of course I failed to place the bet. Hope Hightower is ok. More losing if not.
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Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (5 Viewers)
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Bossman
Footballguy
Personnel moves by this team continue to boggle my mind.
Maybe they can trade a draft pick for Carr and get him back.
I don't think Dorset is the answer ... wrong skill set.
Mavis
Footballguy
Tom Brady will not be the starting QB for the Patriots in 2018. Thats my hot take thats not so serious, but maybe?
Not that I hope for that, but what we saw from Tommy was awful. When you are upstaged at home by Alex Smith on opening night...you are not with it.
Hope it was a one game rust bump, but if he is as awful next week. The guy who refused to trade him to me in my redraft this year will be hearing me thank him for not taking my begging offers.
Not that I hope for that, but what we saw from Tommy was awful. When you are upstaged at home by Alex Smith on opening night...you are not with it.
Hope it was a one game rust bump, but if he is as awful next week. The guy who refused to trade him to me in my redraft this year will be hearing me thank him for not taking my begging offers.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure why they went away from the hurry up and why they abandoned the backs out of the backfield. In the second half, they just seemed to run the play clock almost completely down. I know they mentioned on the broadcast that they were probably trying to give the defense a few extra seconds of rest, but it seemed to bog down the offense. And the measurements before their fourth down plays also hurt them. That gave KC all day to set up and get prepared.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
KC is a quality team give credit...but we saw some chinks in the armor...that defense was awful and gronk looked slow...gonna take a while to have brady gel with cooks... no Edelman and Hogan looked over rated.....nothing helps an offense like playing the saints....normally
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
There was a time when Brady would have sneaked the ball on fourth and short. Now, at 40, with concussion rumors from last year maybe not. Still, I was surprised because he seemed to have a real knock for getting two feet when one was needed.
Workhorse
Footballguy
They mentioned this in the pre-game last night with Dungy saying that EVERY team lines up two DTs over the center on short yardage situations to prevent the Brady sneak. The Pats need to make adjustments to that.
Looking back on the game, Brady wasn't sharp but other than the first throw to Allen and the overthrow to Cooks on the left sideline, it wasn't like he was missing throws. Guys just weren't getting open in the second half.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I did not catch that commentary, I could watch, but not hear, the game. Interesting pregame observation by whoever made it.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't understand the Brady hate from last night. He threw for 270 and had at least 110 yards in PIs that were flagged, not to mention two thirty yard throws that weren't called.
He looked fine. They were running wheel routes to try and isolate the one-on-ones with the LBs because they were playing against a really good secondary all night.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Completing only 44% of your passes is not fine, at any level of football. Even Tim Tebow completed 48% of his attempts.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't care what his comp rate was last night, he looked fine. They were holding all over the field and not getting open against a really good secondary.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Yes, the receivers were getting held. Yes, the play calling wasn't great. Yes, Edelman was out and they were playing with some new receivers. But you should be concerned that on times were open Brady was off, wasn't crisp, and didn't seem much like the leader / motivator / zip in his step to get guys to the line and run the next play. His body language wasn't great. I get that none of that shows up in the box score and may not be a factor at all moving forward. But I don't see how anyone could possibly say Brady had his A game last night.
rockaction
Footballguy
True. You're right. That's not what I'm arguing. I just didn't think his game was that terrible, and I'm both not a Patriots fan nor own any fantasy "stock" in Brady. But as I think about what you're saying, you're more right than me. It was not a great game for him. I concede.
Now Jameis and Cam, on the other hand -- well, you're not going to get much objective from me.
need2know
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Should have mentioned this last night. On one of the local post game shows they had a trainer / physical therapy / sports medicine specialists on, who said based on the video, where the ice was, the fact that he was walking, and him riding the stationary bike she thought it was an MCL sprain. Just couldn't tell how severe, but she guessed not too bad based on his movement.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
So what free agent WR / DE are Pats on the phone with this morning?
I agree, is any discussion out there in your area that this might be due to Kraft's ill timed decision to publicly speak out that he would not interfere with Bellichick's if he decided to move on from Brady? Or did Kraft speak out like that publicly because this is how Brady has looked far to often in camp?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Ron Ninkovich. And I am not speculating, as they have already spoken to him.
Sorry if this mentioned and I'm truly not saying this after the fact, was in fact saying it multiple times last night, but the decision to leave Amendola in on punt returns was an extremely poor decision.
First off I get that teams actually use some of the best WR's in the NFL on punt returns. But a few things different on this.
We just read a few days ago that the teams goal was to try and not overuse him and we saw yesterday his use to the offense with Edelman's injury. What really got me last night was before the concussion hit on two other plays earlier in the game he appeared dinged up. Once on a catch and on a previous punt return where he was slow to get up. I actually thought he was going to leave the game earlier. This was when I was bellowing around how stupid it was to have him return punts and now he's concussed.
When he's able to return from his concussion I just don't see how they can justify continuing to risk him on punt returns.
First off I get that teams actually use some of the best WR's in the NFL on punt returns. But a few things different on this.
We just read a few days ago that the teams goal was to try and not overuse him and we saw yesterday his use to the offense with Edelman's injury. What really got me last night was before the concussion hit on two other plays earlier in the game he appeared dinged up. Once on a catch and on a previous punt return where he was slow to get up. I actually thought he was going to leave the game earlier. This was when I was bellowing around how stupid it was to have him return punts and now he's concussed.
When he's able to return from his concussion I just don't see how they can justify continuing to risk him on punt returns.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The issue was Edelman and Cyrus Jones were their designated punt returns and they both went on IR in the last 10 days or so. They didn't want to use Amendola as a punt returner but for now they didn't really have anyone that they could use until they got someone else up to speed. At this point, it will probably be Dion Lewis (or someone else that they want to just fair catch the football).
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I would have expected him to be their first call. And supposedly he made comments before about "leaving the door open" for a return.
Next call, Andrew Hawkins?
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I had the exact same thought while watching the game. Talked to my TV, "How is that managing his snaps?"
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Wonder if they would talk to Welker or Mossif they were even remotely in shape . . . or CLE about Gordon or CIN about LaFell. Kenbrell Thompkins and Aaron Dobson are free agents.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
KC fan and not going to rub anybody's nose in it....but that game is probably OVAH if NE converts that first 4th down.....
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i know better than to overeact to ugly KC losses anymore but:
- this "i fall down now" stuff from TB12 is starting to bother me, esp now that he doesnt have his widdew bwue bwankleman for the season.
- maybe keeping the great coordinators wasn't such a great idea. saw an awful lot of "cuz i said so" in their preseason prep and adjustments last nite. the staff may have become too insular
- what the Pats D needed last night was what they've been trading away for the last 2 yrs
- this "i fall down now" stuff from TB12 is starting to bother me, esp now that he doesnt have his widdew bwue bwankleman for the season.
- maybe keeping the great coordinators wasn't such a great idea. saw an awful lot of "cuz i said so" in their preseason prep and adjustments last nite. the staff may have become too insular
- what the Pats D needed last night was what they've been trading away for the last 2 yrs
Workhorse
Footballguy
I said to my son in the second half: Boy, wouldn't Chandler Jones solve a lot of problems right now?
Workhorse
Footballguy
By the way, I'd try to buy low on Gronk the next few weeks - He's frequently rusty coming off of an injury, when they've rushed him back:
In 2013, the Pats kept him on the shelf until he was 100% healthy: Week 7.
In 2014, he was not at 100% early in the season and put up this line over the first 4 weeks total: 13 catches, 147 yrds, 3 TDs
In 2016, they held him out until week 3 and he was clearly not totally ready at that point: Gronk had 1 catch for 11 yards in his first two games back combined.
In 2013, the Pats kept him on the shelf until he was 100% healthy: Week 7.
In 2014, he was not at 100% early in the season and put up this line over the first 4 weeks total: 13 catches, 147 yrds, 3 TDs
In 2016, they held him out until week 3 and he was clearly not totally ready at that point: Gronk had 1 catch for 11 yards in his first two games back combined.
Bossman
Footballguy
There were plays where Brady took the snap and was standing there for what seemed like 10 seconds ... waiting for someone to come open.
Then finally throws it away.
I hate that the TV coverage only shows the pocket and not the entire field.
so I can only assume the WR's could not get open ... which is pretty pathetic given that amount of time.
Also, Amendola got crushed when Brady hung him out to dry across the middle on 3rd down. No way Dolla makes it to the end of the season.
Pats are in trouble on both sides of the ball.
Then finally throws it away.
I hate that the TV coverage only shows the pocket and not the entire field.
so I can only assume the WR's could not get open ... which is pretty pathetic given that amount of time.
Also, Amendola got crushed when Brady hung him out to dry across the middle on 3rd down. No way Dolla makes it to the end of the season.
Pats are in trouble on both sides of the ball.
Spike
Footballguy
On defense, definitely; on offense, I think it'll take a bit to get in sync. It'll sort of be like an offensive line needing time to work together.
Pats fans should have seen this coming.
I thought Dorsett was supposed to provide a punt return option for them. Maybe they did not think he was up to speed, but that seems pretty quick to grasp.
msommer
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I wish. Oh well, at least McGregor was leading after 3 rounds.what?
that's nonsense.BB cares about wins, whether it's 16-0 or 12-4, he wants to win.he's not going to lose just for the sake of it..how often in his HC career has BB actually LOST a home opener, where favored by 7 or more?
forget the Chiefs, man,they might be one of the worst teams this season.you really believe an unpolished gem like Hill is suddenly going to shine like a star? he didn't do it last week, he looked lost at times. and you KNOW Hey Kool Aid will find a way to lose in the end, whether its clock mgmt or just bad play calling..how many times has Reid actually beaten BB? has he ever done it? c'mon now.
you'reto bet against the Pats, banner raising night,home opener..jees..thats as bad as picking McGregor to beat Mayweather..
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Insoxicated
This.
Hightower returns next week.. week 3 for sure. Back up the truck for Nink and have him in game shape by week 3.
We would still be dangerously thin, but we would be a HELL of a lot better off than we were in Q4 Thursday.
We are thin at WR but assuming Danny clears protocol in a timely manner I am not worried about receiving options.
Cooks - Dorsett - Amendola - Hogan - Gronk - Allen
White / Lewis are more than capable of playing on the LOS when needed.
Brady and Gronk need to shake the rust.
Cooks & Dorsett need reps to get in sync.
The offense will be fine IMO.
Lets get that D patched up, and on to New Orleans.
need2know
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I heard a stat that Brady usually gets rid of the ball in 2.1 seconds, but had 19 dropbacks on Thursday where he had 2.5 seconds or more...and completed only 6 passes. What does that tell us? That receivers were not getting open. The good news for them is that most teams they will face this year won't have a secondary as good as KC's.
msommer
Footballguy
I don't think you should expect much from Dorsett for awhile. It takes time to learn the playbook and the timing, not to mention perfect it
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Shortly after Hightower got injuried, it was 27-21 Pats. The 3rd TD by KC was a horribly blown coverage of Hill by Gilmore for a 75 yard TD, 27-14 otherwise.
After that, the wheels came off the track completely, and the Chiefs scored 3 more TDs in about a quarter of football, including a 78 TD pass to Hill covered by a linebacker who had been on the team for 5 days, as well as a 50+ yard play and West's 20+ yard TD.
The fact that HIghtower was NOT lost for the season is huge...in a couple weeks the defense will be coached up and ok.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Sorry, this kind of logic does not work.
a) Saying it was blown coverage takes away from the fact that it was likely a great play call by Reid that caused the coverage to get blown. Moving WRs all around the field can sometimes result in these kinds of one on one match-ups resulting in scores, but I get that it is easier to say, "we messed up," rather than given the other team credit.
b) You cannot assume the game plays out exactly the same way if the Hill TD does not happen. That was on 1st down. Were the Chiefs going to punt on 2nd down? We have know way of knowing if they still go on to score on that drive or not.
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
My point was not to deny KC credit. If you will review the thread that I called my shot and predicted over two weeks ago that KC would win this game straight up.
My point is that this was not some ingenious trickeration play that confused the defense....it was piss poor play on Gilmore's part....and that this kind of JV play will not be tolerated by the organization going forward.
Bossman
Footballguy
as someone previously stated ... NOS defense fixes all of your offensive issues. Sheesh they are bad.
I'm surprised no one in the media had pointed out the fact that Gronkowskis injury likely happened one of his previous receptions ...
after being tackled, the DB (Vacarro?) stands up and purposely lifts Gronks leg sideways ... way up ... almost lifting Gronk off of the ground.
That's how one injures a groin ... not by being tackled with both legs together.
I'm surprised no one in the media had pointed out the fact that Gronkowskis injury likely happened one of his previous receptions ...
after being tackled, the DB (Vacarro?) stands up and purposely lifts Gronks leg sideways ... way up ... almost lifting Gronk off of the ground.
That's how one injures a groin ... not by being tackled with both legs together.
Bossman
Footballguy
New England Sports Network
Gillette Stadium was crowded with free agents Monday, as the New England Patriots reportedly worked out six players, including a 2013 first-round pick, at the facility. The Patriots tried out defensive linemen Datone Jones and Jonathan Woodard, wide receivers River Cracraft, Nelson Spruce and Kenny Lawler and defensive back Robert Nelson, ESPN’s Field Yates and Mike Reiss reported Monday. The Patriots were down to just one fully healthy receiver by the end of Sunday’s 36-20 win over the New Orleans Saints.
I could see the Patriots bringing in Anquan Bolden. He was productive last year all the way thru week 17.
I would think his skill set would mesh well with what the Patriots are looking for.
Gillette Stadium was crowded with free agents Monday, as the New England Patriots reportedly worked out six players, including a 2013 first-round pick, at the facility. The Patriots tried out defensive linemen Datone Jones and Jonathan Woodard, wide receivers River Cracraft, Nelson Spruce and Kenny Lawler and defensive back Robert Nelson, ESPN’s Field Yates and Mike Reiss reported Monday. The Patriots were down to just one fully healthy receiver by the end of Sunday’s 36-20 win over the New Orleans Saints.
I could see the Patriots bringing in Anquan Bolden. He was productive last year all the way thru week 17.
I would think his skill set would mesh well with what the Patriots are looking for.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I believe Buffalo holds the rights o Boldin and he is not a free agent. It has been reported he had talked to NE before signing with BUF.
In other news, the stadium in Mexico City that is scheduled to host the Pats and Raiders in November sustained heavy damage from an earthquake. That game may end up being played in Oakland instead.
In other news, the stadium in Mexico City that is scheduled to host the Pats and Raiders in November sustained heavy damage from an earthquake. That game may end up being played in Oakland instead.