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Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (2 Viewers)
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Not even Revis? That's the only way I'd consider Sammy.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
pats play to win --- I'd expect business as usual
maybe some 4th qtr sits
maybe some 4th qtr sits
captain_amazing
Footballguy
I'm guessing it'll be business as usual for the first half, but that most of the starters sit in the second half.
pats3in4
Footballguy
With a 1st round bye, I wonder if BB is concerned the team might be stale after effectively 2 bye weeks if the starters sit this weekend, even for a half.
Injury risk vs. rust risk
Pats and Brady said the starters will play to work out the kinks on the O.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000448634/article/tom-brady-wants-to-work-out-offense-issues-in-week-17
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000448634/article/tom-brady-wants-to-work-out-offense-issues-in-week-17
captain_amazing
Footballguy
I agree... was just talking about this to a coworker.
I think if they play well on offense in the first half, they'll sit their starters in the second so that they go into the playoffs with good, positive momentum. But, if they struggle like they have over the past several weeks, I'd expect them to have their starters in until the 4th.
Although, in any scenario, I'd prefer them sitting Gronk and Revis for the entire game, but that's just me. I think Brady has more to gain by generating some momentum, something we've seen as a critical element to successful playoff teams, than Gronk or, defensively-speaking, Revis.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I would expect guys with nagging injuries to sit. Everyone else plays into the 3rd quarter and then players will start sitting but not all at once. I wouldn't put it past hoodie to have Garoppolo go in for a drive in the first quarter to simulate an emergency situation. Guys that are starters still in the game late in the fourth are in the doghouse for some reason. I also would not be shocked if the only RB with any significant touches would be Gray and they gave him 40 carries to teach him a lesson. What that lesson might be is still a mystery.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
Unsure, either way they released their ballot a few days ago and didn't take Gostkowski or Slater.
I think collins and nink were good enough (mccourty and Hightower aswell) but it seems there's a smaller pool of players now that it's a draft.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I believe there are the same number of players as before, but they have not had guys opt out and be replaced yet (which usually makes the total number of Pro Bowl selections expand quite a bit).
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
Also with the lack of conferences in the Pro Bowl now they don't need to be an equal amount of AFC and NFC players.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
LOL. Congrats. You just earned a first round bye in the playoffs. Not get your butt out there in the pouring rain . . .
Belichick Has Players Practice in Pads on Christmas Eve
December 24, 2014, 1:15 pm
FOXBORO -- Since the Patriots officially earned the No. 1 overall seed in the AFC playoffs when the Broncos lost to the Bengals on Monday night, Bill Belichick's message to his players has been to finish the regular season with the same kind of effort they've put forth all season. Just because Sunday's game has no bearing on upcoming playoff matchups, Belichick wants to make sure his players treat their matchup with the Bills like any other. To reinforce the point, Belichick had his team practice in full pads for the first time since Nov. 12, per Jeff Howe of the Boston Herald. All Patriots players were present at the practice session for the second consecutive day. The team will release its first injury report of the week later today. The Patriots will be off Thursday to celebrate Christmas and then have their final practice of the week on Friday.
Belichick Has Players Practice in Pads on Christmas Eve
December 24, 2014, 1:15 pm
FOXBORO -- Since the Patriots officially earned the No. 1 overall seed in the AFC playoffs when the Broncos lost to the Bengals on Monday night, Bill Belichick's message to his players has been to finish the regular season with the same kind of effort they've put forth all season. Just because Sunday's game has no bearing on upcoming playoff matchups, Belichick wants to make sure his players treat their matchup with the Bills like any other. To reinforce the point, Belichick had his team practice in full pads for the first time since Nov. 12, per Jeff Howe of the Boston Herald. All Patriots players were present at the practice session for the second consecutive day. The team will release its first injury report of the week later today. The Patriots will be off Thursday to celebrate Christmas and then have their final practice of the week on Friday.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Heel yeah. It's time to get to work. The way the offense has played, 1st half of Miami game, Jets game..... it won't cut it for a SB run. They have to try to come out firing on all cylinders instead of one 3 and punt after another.
theplayer11
Footballguy
love this franchise..Anarchy99 said:
Run It Up
Footballguy
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
Now that its likely Brady wont collect they don't have to account for that 24 million in their salary cap, freeing up a lot of money short term to sign players. Mccourty, Gronk, Revis, etc.
Turns out I have I was completely wrong. Breakdown of the move by Miguel Benzan who runs Patscap.com - as credible as it gets.
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Run It Up
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Brady had a 3 year, fully guaranteed contract for $24 million. There were no performance bonuses or escalators. The cap hit hit each year would have been $7, $8, and $9 million respectively. Now he converted that to essentially a "regular" 3 year deal (like everyone else has) for $27 million (except with injury guarantees) . . .$8, $9, and $10 million a season. If Brady plays out the contract, it costs NE $3 million more than it did before. It only "saves" them any money if he is cut or traded. Brady basically traded $24 million in guaranteed money for $3 million in additional salary if he stays in NE all three years. Again, I don't see how this really helps the Pats free up much money unless they plan to move on from Brady.
If this means that Brady isfine getting paid have as much as top QBs and will not demand more money or hold out, that would certainly help NE. However, the title of the article is somewhat misleading, as they make it sound like he freed up $24 million in cap space (which is not the outcome here if they keep him).
Run It Up
Footballguy
Edited my post above as you posted this, I was completely mistaken the deal made was not what I thought it was.
Great article on the deal at the bottom is a series of questions and answers about the deal if it was hard to digest.
The gist of it being that if Brady starts to slump the Pats can pretty much cut ties but also frees up a lot of money they can put towards other players incentives/signing bonuses.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
The other thing I read about this was that the NFL requires teams have cash reserves to cover all of their guaranteed contracts (to be clear, injury guarantees don't count). By converting to an injury only guarantee, NE can reclaim the $24 million they basically had in escrow and do whatever they want with it. That's where "clearing $24 million" came from, as the Krafts get back $24 million that the league required to be held. It doesn't really "save" them any money, but they have access to money they didn't have available before (not that I think the Krafts were close to applying for welfare without that $24 million).
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
It saves the team "cash", the FO doesn't have to put up that 24 million so they have an extra 24 million in pocket money to allocate in the coming year as they see fit. Great deal for both sides, Brady gets a few million more which he absolutely deserves and the team has more flexibility for the upcoming year. Win, Win.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4775277/explaining-the-significance-of-tom-bradys-contract-restructure
One of the reasons I feel he is one of, if not the greatest QB of all time.
He is not nearly as greedy as some players (particularly a certain every nickel on the table QB who shall remain nameless).
He has consistently taken less than he could have in an effort to have a more competitive team around him; in contrast to some others.
Run It Up
Footballguy
It frees them up $24 million in terms of money being able to be spent elsewhere, it has no impact on the salary cap however.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Most players don't have wives who have a net worth of $320 million. Just sayin' . . .
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
You can say it, but it is complete BS to imply were it not for gisele he would have demanded more (ie, be as greedy as whats his name). What is it they say, correlation does not equal causation.
Brady was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he took a below market deal(s) looong before Gisele showed up; her presence has likely had little or nothing to do with Bradys contract demands. Agree, or not?
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
All I am saying is that Brady does not have the financial need that others may have. Tom and Gisele are worth a combined $440 million, Yes, he accepted deals for less than he could have. I agree the primary reason is that he wanted to win. However, it would stand to reason that if he came from poverty and did not have money he would have a greater finanical need and more incentive to get a max contract.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
49ers request permission to interview Josh McDaniels for head coaching vacancy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
brady thing seems pretty straightforward, and bodes well for some extensions........
I thought this bit was a little confusing, though
I thought this bit was a little confusing, though
theplayer11
Footballguy
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
I hope Solder gets better.... and his knee is ok, haha. Two weeks to prepare, playing at home, should be interesting. Super Bowl title or bust.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
on to the bye week
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Bob Kraft, who is reportedly worth 4B, is so cash poor that not having to put 24M into escrow gives him flexiblility? That seems to be a giant stretch, this really seems to be all about the Pat's having the flexibility to move on from Brady and Brady having the flexiblity to go sign with a team he wants instead of being traded to where BB can get the best deal.Run It Up said:
The Ref
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
No need to feed the trolls because sometime in the future the Pats will have a down year and they will all come back and puff out their chests screaming at the top of their lungs "I TOLD YOU SO". The only problem is they have been predicting it since 2006.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
This is exactly what I have been saying in this thread. Nothing changes for the Pats in practical reality unless they have no desire to keep Brady. It still does not eliminate Brady getting traded to a crappy team. In fact, it makes it much easier for NE to do so and not take a big cap hit. IMO, it makes it less likely Brady can sign with whomever he wants, as it is now very unlikely the Pats would cut him. IMO, Brady let the Pats off the hook for a guaranteed $24 million, but it really doesn't change the Pats ability to resign or sign people, not does it improve their flexibility under the cap (again, unless they are planning on moving on from Brady).
bostonfred
Footballguy
Does it move any of the money from incentives likely to be earned to not likely to be earned? Because that would impact their cap.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
No. As far as I know, Brady had no incentives at all in his contract. It was just straight up guaranteed money. From what I can tell, the only thing attached to his contract is a remaining $5 million signing bonus payout for the upcoming season, but that is not tied to any incentives or performance bonuses. All the talk about NE now having the money to pay other players is pretty much media spin or a P.R. move. They had plenty of money to pay those guys. Not sure how they will do it under the cap, and I see no evidence that whatever Brady did helped that situation at all (provided he is still their QB).
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Think some of you guys learned finance from watching scrooge mcduck cartoons.
When they want to come up with 20m cash for a revis bonus do you imagine kraft peels the hundreds out of a moneyclip or does he liquidate some subsidiary company?
When they want to come up with 20m cash for a revis bonus do you imagine kraft peels the hundreds out of a moneyclip or does he liquidate some subsidiary company?