Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (7 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

As things stand right now, Pats had roughly $15 million in cap space before signinf Gibson and resigning a LB/special team today.

So they probably have $14 million in cap space but need two starting CBs, a DT, and a starting OL.

 

[Anarchy99]

Pats now have $10 million in dead money from Revis, Mankins, and Wilfork.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Will they get a compensatory pick for Revis?

 

[ratbast]

Stop with the RBs, we now need to focus on whatever we can get at DT and CB. Go shopping!

 

[Anarchy99]

Will they get a compensatory pick for Revis?

I do not believe so. They let him go. IIRC it is the same as releasing him.

 

[Anarchy99]

Scuttlebutt that they would only go up to $35 million in guaranteed money on Revis.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Scuttlebutt that they would only go up to $35 million in guaranteed money on Revis.

So they basically let him walk over 4M? Revis already gave the Pats a discount once, silly to think he would do it again.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Basically, the Pats and Revis used each other. Pats got a championship, Revis a fat new contract off of the Patriots stage. Worked out for both. I don't have a bad word to say about him, guy was awesome.

 

[12punch]

Will they get a compensatory pick for Revis?

I don't believe so because they didn't pick up the option --- it was basically their choice to let him walk

 

[Run It Up]

Tampering charges gonna result in any kind of punishment? Does Revis landing with NYJ even matter to the complaint?

Pats got about $14m, targets?

• Jordan Cameron
• Rob Housler
• Percy Harvin
• Pierre Garcon
• Wes Welker
• CJ Spiller
• Reggie Bush
• Darren Mcfadden
• Akeem Ayers
• Brandon Spikes
• Jabaal Sheard
• Antonio Cromartie
• Brandon Browner
• Tramon Williams

Miss anyone? Couldn't think of any Oline that would be worth signing that weren't already snatched up.

 

[Road Warriors]

Tampering charges gonna result in any kind of punishment? Does Revis landing with NYJ even matter to the complaint?

Pats got about $14m, targets?

• Jordan Cameron
• Rob Housler
• Percy Harvin
• Pierre Garcon
• Wes Welker
• CJ Spiller
• Reggie Bush
• Darren Mcfadden
• Akeem Ayers
• Brandon Spikes
• Jabaal Sheard
• Antonio Cromartie
• Brandon Browner
• Tramon Williams

Miss anyone? Couldn't think of any Oline that would be worth signing that weren't already snatched up.

Garcon would be a nice fit, I think. Downfield threat that can do more than "go deep" Not sure what his price tag would be.

I'd like Spiller at the right price, or Bush in a cheap deal.

Similarly, Cromartie at the right price, Browner as the cheaper alternative.

And I liked what Ayers showed, I'd like to see more.

 

[12punch]

Tampering charges gonna result in any kind of punishment? Does Revis landing with NYJ even matter to the complaint?

Pats got about $14m, targets?

• Jordan Cameron
• Rob Housler
• Percy Harvin
• Pierre Garcon
• Wes Welker
• CJ Spiller
• Reggie Bush
• Darren Mcfadden
• Akeem Ayers
• Brandon Spikes
• Jabaal Sheard
• Antonio Cromartie
• Brandon Browner
• Tramon Williams

Miss anyone? Couldn't think of any Oline that would be worth signing that weren't already snatched up.

yeah, you missed vince

 

[PatsWillWin]

I read somewhere that they were hosting Colin McCarthy, who is apparently in between injuries at the moment.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Yeah, Garcon, Ayers, Cromartie, Bush/Spiller/Harvin, Cameron and Browner... let's take those guys. Done. Draft.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Did Mayo face a deadline or option? thx

 

[PatsWillWin]

I think I read somewhere that Mayo's contract is guranteed for injury or something. So if he's considered injured right now, basically they can't cut him.

 

[12punch]

yeah, mayo would be a discussion down the road because he's got an injury guarantee, so they'd wait 'til the physical.

it's not like they need the cap this minute with mevis gone

 

[12punch]

CapSpace=13,766,603

Revis was not released. His option was not picked. That is a significant difference for the compensatory pick calculation.

If Pats do not sign as many UFAs as they will lose (3 so far), the 3rd round pick for Revis should be the 98th pick in the 2016 draft

Q: so what you're saying is they were UFA because options were not picked up rather than being released so we get compensatory picks? A: Yes

In Feb 2008 Pats declined option on Donte Stallworth. He signed FA deal w/Browns on 3/1/2008. Pats got 2009 5th round compensatrory pick.

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart

 

[David Dodds]

CapSpace=13,766,603

Revis was not released. His option was not picked. That is a significant difference for the compensatory pick calculation.

If Pats do not sign as many UFAs as they will lose (3 so far), the 3rd round pick for Revis should be the 98th pick in the 2016 draft

Q: so what you're saying is they were UFA because options were not picked up rather than being released so we get compensatory picks? A: Yes

In Feb 2008 Pats declined option on Donte Stallworth. He signed FA deal w/Browns on 3/1/2008. Pats got 2009 5th round compensatrory pick.

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart

This is the brilliance of the Patriots right here. They rent a guy capable of putting them over the top. They get him at a decent price with a huge escalator for year 2 (with a gentleman's agreement they won't pick up that option). They bid up his price to a rival and now will likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick because the contract will be among the biggest in free agency.

Yes it hurts losing Revis, but they save much needed cap space, get a compensatory pick in 2016, and tie up the NYJ cap in the process.

The rest of the NFL had the chance to do this, but it doesn't shock me that the Patriots pulled it off to perfection.

 

[Run It Up]

Wow get a 3rd round compensatory pick for Talib in this draft and another for Revis in the next.

Also I did forget Vince and that makes me sad. He signed in Houston in my head after they declined his option.

 

[12punch]

it's kind of funny to me because you make it seem probably a little more machiavellian than it is, but it's this kind of steady, even keeled grinding of value and detail minded approach that seems to undermine our division opponents without even trying to torpedo them.

if you think about our division:

buffalo signed mario williams to the biggest ever contract for a defensive player, I believe, at 100m

miami just signed suh to an even bigger deal of 100+m

the jets now pick up the monster tab on revis

this is all coincidentally in the same division, and I honestly feel these kind of deals are counterproductive

this isn't the nba where you have 5 or 6 guys running up and down the court, and at least one of them had better be a superstar --- the nfl is 22 on 22 without even counting the kicking game and frequent subs

you need to cobble together 53 guys, and it's pretty hard to find a single guy that can have that kind of impact, and what are you sacrificing to sign that one guy?

 

[12punch]

Wow get a 3rd round compensatory pick for Talib in this draft and another for Revis in the next.

Also I did forget Vince and that makes me sad. He signed in Houston in my head after they declined his option.

yeah, and they just created those picks out of thin air.

I won't sit here and spin it like I'm happy to lose mevis for a 3/4 pick, but they just signed those guys off the street and a year later it's like they signed that 3/4 guy on a 4 yr rookie deal off the street.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

CapSpace=13,766,603

Revis was not released. His option was not picked. That is a significant difference for the compensatory pick calculation.

If Pats do not sign as many UFAs as they will lose (3 so far), the 3rd round pick for Revis should be the 98th pick in the 2016 draft

Q: so what you're saying is they were UFA because options were not picked up rather than being released so we get compensatory picks? A: Yes

In Feb 2008 Pats declined option on Donte Stallworth. He signed FA deal w/Browns on 3/1/2008. Pats got 2009 5th round compensatrory pick.

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart

This is the brilliance of the Patriots right here. They rent a guy capable of putting them over the top. They get him at a decent price with a huge escalator for year 2 (with a gentleman's agreement they won't pick up that option). They bid up his price to a rival and now will likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick because the contract will be among the biggest in free agency.

Yes it hurts losing Revis, but they save much needed cap space, get a compensatory pick in 2016, and tie up the NYJ cap in the process.

The rest of the NFL had the chance to do this, but it doesn't shock me that the Patriots pulled it off to perfection.

Sweet

Takes "some" of the sting out of him leaving.

Now, can anyone tell me whether or not NE would receive anything if the Jets are found to have "tampered" with Revis while he was under contract with NE?

Personally I don't think what Johnson said was all that big a deal, but I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth I have heard conflicting reports on what happens with tampering charges, one report indicated that if the Jets lose a draft pick it doesn't go to NE, others seem to indicate that it would.

Anyone know for sure?

TIA

 

[Workhorse]

Dolphins released Randy Starks. I think he'd be a great, cheap replacement for Vince on the line. With Revis and Browner gone, I'd bet the Pats play more traditional Cover 2 (4-3) defense and a guy like Starks gives you lots of flexibility in that scheme.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

It looks like the best remaining options via FA for CBs is a group that includes Chris Culliver, Perrish Cox, Patrick Robinson, Jimmy Wilson and Alan Ball. Ball seems like a Pats pick up, was injured for most of last year so can be had on the cheap and is also 6'2". All of these guys are probably better or at least as good as Browner.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

So it appears they will get a compensatory pick for Browner as well? As stated earlier, I am not a huge Browner fan, but I hope he gets a huge deal

 

[Dr. Octopus]

as opposed to having revis back on a ridiculous deal

You are okay with paying McCourty top dollar but not Revis?

yeah --- mccourty didn't get 50m with 40 G

and while we're talking about mccourty --- he actually reportedly turned down top dollar to re-up with the pats

if revis isn't in it to win it he can gtfo

I'm not too worried about it

at the end of next season rex ryan, revis, and suh will all be looking up at the division winner

MARK IT DOWN!!!!!!

I think the Pats are still the prohibitive favorite to win the division, but at least the rest of the division has done what it can to make it a tougher task for them. Should be some serious intra-division battles this year.

 

[Spike]

Ugh, Pats (KRAFT!!!) can seem so damn cheap it ridiculous: like surrounding Brady with mostly 3rd rate talent for big chunks of his career etc etc.. But, everyone else is chasing the Pats. To have a team that wins the SB and then just lose a bunch of key players: Revis. Browner, Wilfork, Vereen is insane. The end result to be determined but at this point the team is weaker big time.

stop

Why? He's absolutely correct.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Something going on... they really didn't want Revis for 3 years or at all... Revis wanted to go back to NY, likes living there, the pizza, whatever, doesn't mind losing, shorter seasons means more vacation time, less wear on body, etc.

I'd like to see the Pats make at least one big move though, get an impact player or 2 before they're all gone. Who's out there? Kraft is a cheap mofo or the Pats are looking at 5, 6, 7 Super Bowls but.. whatever. We're Champs. We don't need your stupid greed, if you can't thrive with millions you're an idiot anyways and not worthy. Get lost. We want winners!!!!

"Butler, get out there and play corner, you're starting!"

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Appreciate what you have. Your "cheap" owner has created a model organization. Most teams would kill for what the Pats have done. Wow, is all I can say.

As far as Revis chasing the money? So what? That's what players should do. They have a limited window to make as much as they can and there's very little loyalty from the other side of the coin when it comes to their "contracts".

As far Revis returning to mediocrity or a "trainwreck" - maybe the will be the case, but he did go to two AFC championship games with that organization and with a new respected front office and coaching staff in place, they may not be as far away as people think. We'll see.

Looking forward to the upcoming season in what should be a solid AFC East.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

it's kind of funny to me because you make it seem probably a little more machiavellian than it is, but it's this kind of steady, even keeled grinding of value and detail minded approach that seems to undermine our division opponents without even trying to torpedo them.

if you think about our division:

buffalo signed mario williams to the biggest ever contract for a defensive player, I believe, at 100m

miami just signed suh to an even bigger deal of 100+m

the jets now pick up the monster tab on revis

this is all coincidentally in the same division, and I honestly feel these kind of deals are counterproductive

this isn't the nba where you have 5 or 6 guys running up and down the court, and at least one of them had better be a superstar --- the nfl is 22 on 22 without even counting the kicking game and frequent subs

you need to cobble together 53 guys, and it's pretty hard to find a single guy that can have that kind of impact, and what are you sacrificing to sign that one guy?

There's a lot of truth to this.

 

[Road Warriors]

it's kind of funny to me because you make it seem probably a little more machiavellian than it is, but it's this kind of steady, even keeled grinding of value and detail minded approach that seems to undermine our division opponents without even trying to torpedo them.

if you think about our division:

buffalo signed mario williams to the biggest ever contract for a defensive player, I believe, at 100m

miami just signed suh to an even bigger deal of 100+m

the jets now pick up the monster tab on revis

this is all coincidentally in the same division, and I honestly feel these kind of deals are counterproductive

this isn't the nba where you have 5 or 6 guys running up and down the court, and at least one of them had better be a superstar --- the nfl is 22 on 22 without even counting the kicking game and frequent subs

you need to cobble together 53 guys, and it's pretty hard to find a single guy that can have that kind of impact, and what are you sacrificing to sign that one guy?

There's a lot of truth to this.

The source of the steady success is also among the biggest sources of heartache/angst among Patriots fans. We rarely get the shiny new toy that everyone gets excited about, but the beat goes on.

At some point, I just had to sit back and enjoy it, and acknowledge that the NE front office knows a boatload more than I do in putting a successful team on the field, and "In Bill We Trust".

Still doesn't stop me from having a few head-shaking moments like yesterday when the news of Revis finally did come down.

 

[Anarchy99]

Ugh, Pats (KRAFT!!!) can seem so damn cheap it ridiculous: like surrounding Brady with mostly 3rd rate talent for big chunks of his career etc etc.. But, everyone else is chasing the Pats. To have a team that wins the SB and then just lose a bunch of key players: Revis. Browner, Wilfork, Vereen is insane. The end result to be determined but at this point the team is weaker big time.

stop

Why? He's absolutely correct.

As I said pages and pages ago, call me in 6 months when the rosters are set for all teams and the season is starting. We have no idea what the team will look like when they start using live ammunition in actual games.

 

[Bad_Mo]

OK...so who would you consider to be CBs right below Revis?

I'd like to see the Patriots pull off a deal for Joe Haden. Didn't he sign a 5-year deal in 2010?

 

[bostonfred]

It's not just the amount of money they have tied up in those players. It's that those players aren't quarterbacks. Which means that these guys all stay just good enough to not get an early pick, so they can't get a quarterback. think about how much draft capital the jets, bills and dolphins have spent chasing tier two options at the most important position, and the only spaghetti still clinging to the wall is tannehill. Think about the money and picks these teams gave up for Watkins, Harvin, Wallace, decker, to improve passing games that lack a passer.

 

[humpback]

OK...so who would you consider to be CBs right below Revis?

I'd like to see the Patriots pull off a deal for Joe Haden. Didn't he sign a 5-year deal in 2010?

Might as well get Sherman too.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Something going on... they really didn't want Revis for 3 years or at all... Revis wanted to go back to NY, likes living there, the pizza, whatever, doesn't mind losing, shorter seasons means more vacation time, less wear on body, etc.

I'd like to see the Pats make at least one big move though, get an impact player or 2 before they're all gone. Who's out there? Kraft is a cheap mofo or the Pats are looking at 5, 6, 7 Super Bowls but.. whatever. We're Champs. We don't need your stupid greed, if you can't thrive with millions you're an idiot anyways and not worthy. Get lost. We want winners!!!!

"Butler, get out there and play corner, you're starting!"

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Appreciate what you have. Your "cheap" owner has created a model organization. Most teams would kill for what the Pats have done. Wow, is all I can say.

As far as Revis chasing the money? So what? That's what players should do. They have a limited window to make as much as they can and there's very little loyalty from the other side of the coin when it comes to their "contracts".

As far Revis returning to mediocrity or a "trainwreck" - maybe the will be the case, but he did go to two AFC championship games with that organization and with a new respected front office and coaching staff in place, they may not be as far away as people think. We'll see.

Looking forward to the upcoming season in what should be a solid AFC East.

Agree that it is insane to listen to the "cheap" crap; the proof (success) is in the pudding people; they just made Mcourty the 2d highest paid safety in the league and some want to rip them for not also having the highest paid cb? I would have loved to have kept them both, but you can't have everything.

As for players chasing the money, yeah that is their right, but when you are talking about guys who have more money (100+ million) than they will ever spend I don't think it is unreasonable (or unwise) to maybe take a few dollars (say 5-10%) less to improve your chances of winning championships. To each his own, winning is more important to some than others, but there is no doubt Revis chances at winning another SB or 2 were greater in NE than NY. No problem, I don't hate the guy for caring more about money than winning he is entitled to work for whoever he wants.

As for NY continuing to be a trainwreck, that might be more wishful thinking than anything on my part, all though I have never been impressed with the owner. Fortunes change quickly in the NFL and NY could turn it around quickly. There is no doubt he could win in NY, but there is little doubt his chances were likely significantly better in NE. I really don't have any grudge against him at all, but it is hard to wish him well now that he plays for a division rival.

Sure as heck seems like the afc east is a lot stronger and a lot more competitive today than it was a week ago.

 

[Workhorse]

Days like yesterday make me truly appreciate how special Brady/Belichick have been over their careers and why they should go down as the best QB and best coach of all time. During an era of open free agency and a restrictive salary cap, it is nearly impossible to keep a core of talent together for longer than a couple of years at the most. Teams cap situations and FA acquisitions ebb and flow, talent comes in and out and generally speaking, the teams who suffer the most from it each offseason are the most successful on the field the prior season. Every single winning team needs to make hard choices season after season on players that the rest of the league openly covets and pursues. The NFL system, from top to bottom, is designed to weaken the strongest teams over time for maximum parity and yet the Patriots continue to post season after season of 10+ wins, some deep playoff runs, multiple Super Bowl appearances/rings during a 15+ year stretch. The only constant for the Patriots being the QB and the coach.

We may never see another run like it.

 

[Anarchy99]

In researching things more, the Pats really weren't going to be able to make a competitive offer to Revis without really depleting their roster to be able to do so. They didn't have the cap room and still have other holes to fill.

They will do what they always do. Try to find puzzles pieces that have worth and value and then make a scheme and a game plan around who they have (not who they don't have). There is no doubt that they are significantly weaker today then they were a week ago, and that the other AFC East teams all got better.

They've won 12 or more regular season games 9 times with huge variations to their roster. They've figure something out. Even if they don't have everything figured out by the start of the regular season, they have shown that they will target people via trade in season.

 

[Old Smiley]

In researching things more, the Pats really weren't going to be able to make a competitive offer to Revis without really depleting their roster to be able to do so. They didn't have the cap room and still have other holes to fill.

They will do what they always do. Try to find puzzles pieces that have worth and value and then make a scheme and a game plan around who they have (not who they don't have). There is no doubt that they are significantly weaker today then they were a week ago, and that the other AFC East teams all got better.

They've won 12 or more regular season games 9 times with huge variations to their roster. They've figure something out. Even if they don't have everything figured out by the start of the regular season, they have shown that they will target people via trade in season.

That's my deal. Forget week one, let's look at them in week twelve. That's when we see the roster the Pats plan to make their run with. I think Bill see's the first three quarters of the season as building weeks.

I do feel that we will have tougher divisional games to fight through this year, though.

 

[Dynasty]

In researching things more, the Pats really weren't going to be able to make a competitive offer to Revis without really depleting their roster to be able to do so. They didn't have the cap room and still have other holes to fill.

They will do what they always do. Try to find puzzles pieces that have worth and value and then make a scheme and a game plan around who they have (not who they don't have). There is no doubt that they are significantly weaker today then they were a week ago, and that the other AFC East teams all got better.

I wouldn't give too much credit to the other AFC teams simply because they've made big free agent acquisitions.

When the Dolphins sign Ndamukong Suh, the obvious impression is that they've substantially upgraded their team. However if you believe the price tag of ~$19 million per year is excessive, then the Dolphins have actually hurt their team by the signing. That $19M/year could have been used more effectively on multiple players.

Likewise, the Jets signing of Derrelle Revis and the Bills extension of LeSean McCoy hurt their teams if they've overpaid. The fact that the Jets "had lots of cap room" simply means they've mismanaged their roster heading into this offseason. Making a bad signing only compounds the mistake.

Right now, it's hard to see where the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills will pay the price for excessive spending on the free agent market. However, the salary cap ensures they'll get charged elsewhere on their roster.

 

[Anarchy99]

In researching things more, the Pats really weren't going to be able to make a competitive offer to Revis without really depleting their roster to be able to do so. They didn't have the cap room and still have other holes to fill.

They will do what they always do. Try to find puzzles pieces that have worth and value and then make a scheme and a game plan around who they have (not who they don't have). There is no doubt that they are significantly weaker today then they were a week ago, and that the other AFC East teams all got better.

I wouldn't give too much credit to the other AFC teams simply because they've made big free agent acquisitions.

When the Dolphins sign Ndamukong Suh, the obvious impression is that they've substantially upgraded their team. However if you believe the price tag of ~$19 million per year is excessive, then the Dolphins have actually hurt their team by the signing. That $19M/year could have been used more effectively on multiple players.

Likewise, the Jets signing of Derrelle Revis and the Bills extension of LeSean McCoy hurt their teams if they've overpaid. The fact that the Jets "had lots of cap room" simply means they've mismanaged their roster heading into this offseason. Making a bad signing only compounds the mistake.

Right now, it's hard to see where the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills will pay the price for excessive spending on the free agent market. However, the salary cap ensures they'll get charged elsewhere on their roster.

Which is precisely why I said several times let me know what the rosters for all the teams are in 6 months and then we can talk.

But after yesterday (again, subject to change at a later date), the Patriots roster clearly got weaker while their divisional opponents got stronger.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Brian Tyms - WR - Patriots
Patriots re-signed WR Brian Tyms.
The 26-year-old preseason sensation finished 2014 with 11 catches for 188 yards and two touchdowns. The Pats will hope Tyms' development continues in his second year with the organization. Tyms has plus size and leaping ability.

Mar 11 - 1:21 PM

 

[Anarchy99]

Brian Tyms - WR - Patriots
Patriots re-signed WR Brian Tyms.
The 26-year-old preseason sensation finished 2014 with 11 catches for 188 yards and two touchdowns. The Pats will hope Tyms' development continues in his second year with the organization. Tyms has plus size and leaping ability.

Mar 11 - 1:21 PM

I don't understand why they released him in the first place, but there must be a reason.

 

[12punch]

Brian Tyms - WR - Patriots
Patriots re-signed WR Brian Tyms.
The 26-year-old preseason sensation finished 2014 with 11 catches for 188 yards and two touchdowns. The Pats will hope Tyms' development continues in his second year with the organization. Tyms has plus size and leaping ability.

Mar 11 - 1:21 PM

I don't understand why they released him in the first place, but there must be a reason.

I didn't really follow that, but a buddy of mine brought it up yesterday so we were chatting about it a bit.

I should probably look this up, but was he erfa or rfa?

would they have had to tender him at some minimum level that they weren't comfortable with maybe?

edit: here it is

An Exclusive-Rights Free Agent is an NFL player who is not under contract, but has only two years of NFL experience. If his former club makes him an offer at the three year veteran minimum salary, then that's it, he has to take it or leave the NFL. These guys have no right to negotiate with other teams. They are "free" only in the sense that they're free to quit.

I believe 3 yr vet salary is 660k

 

[ROCKET]

Jason Cole ‏@JasonPhilCole 1m1 minute ago@Revis24 signs for 5-year, $70M deal. Includes $39M FULLY guaranteed, $33M in the first two years. #Jets

Pats should have matched that.

No one is a bigger fan of Revis than me but that is waaay too much money for the Pats to spend on him. Thanks to him for the help getting #4.

5/70 is a bogus number. It's basically a 3 year deal with 33 the first two years and 6 if you wanna dump him the 3rd. It's a 3 year 48 million dollar contract.

That is the problem, where are they going to come up with that kind of $$ without dumping several players and most likely Solder. So then you have Revis and a bunch of holes to fill including your starting LT with no cap room left to fill them. I'm as bummed as anyone that we couldn't keep Revis but I don't see how they could have done it?

It's like going to an auction and bidding on a painting. You have $100 and a credit card with a 75% APR and the guy you are bidding against has $150.

I still think the Jets would have pushed the # even higher if they had to. It sucks but is hardly surprising. I think the bigger question is how teams like Seattle can keep their secondary and other defensive studs, Wilson who is making big$$, Lynch at 10mil a year and have no problem taking on Graham's salary.

 

[Anarchy99]

Jason Cole ‏@JasonPhilCole 1m1 minute ago@Revis24 signs for 5-year, $70M deal. Includes $39M FULLY guaranteed, $33M in the first two years. #Jets

Pats should have matched that.

No one is a bigger fan of Revis than me but that is waaay too much money for the Pats to spend on him. Thanks to him for the help getting #4.

5/70 is a bogus number. It's basically a 3 year deal with 33 the first two years and 6 if you wanna dump him the 3rd. It's a 3 year 48 million dollar contract.

That is the problem, where are they going to come up with that kind of $$ without dumping several players and most likely Solder. So then you have Revis and a bunch of holes to fill including your starting LT with no cap room left to fill them. I'm as bummed as anyone that we couldn't keep Revis but I don't see how they could have done it?

It's like going to an auction and bidding on a painting. You have $100 and a credit card with a 75% APR and the guy you are bidding against has $150.

I still think the Jets would have pushed the # even higher if they had to. It sucks but is hardly surprising. I think the bigger question is how teams like Seattle can keep their secondary and other defensive studs, Wilson who is making big$$, Lynch at 10mil a year and have no problem taking on Graham's salary.

Wilson isn't making big money yet, so there's your answer. His salary and cap hit this year will be $1.5 million. His contract is up after this season, so it will be interesting to see how Seattle approaches the issue of how to pay everyone.

 

[Run It Up]

Wilfork reportedly dragging his feet, whether thats true or he isn't getting any interest theres opportunity he might be coming back.

I feel like if they aren't going to patch holes in the secondary they should lock up Ayers and go after a WR.

 

[12punch]

yeah, and speaking of next year's cap issues, let's not forget we've got young guys coming up eligible for new deals next year, and paying mevis ridiculous money probably makes that a lot more unlikely on some of those guys.

 

[Anarchy99]

Wilfork reportedly dragging his feet, whether thats true or he isn't getting any interest theres opportunity he might be coming back.

I feel like if they aren't going to patch holes in the secondary they should lock up Ayers and go after a WR.

IMO, WR is the least of their problems. CB, DT, OL, 3rd down RB all more pressing. If a WR wants to come in for near the league minimum fine, but they don't really need someone. They can survive with the guys they have on the roster.

I think the LB from CLE would be a good pick up (Sheard?).

 

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Jason Cole ‏@JasonPhilCole 1m1 minute ago@Revis24 signs for 5-year, $70M deal. Includes $39M FULLY guaranteed, $33M in the first two years. #Jets

Pats should have matched that.

No one is a bigger fan of Revis than me but that is waaay too much money for the Pats to spend on him. Thanks to him for the help getting #4.

5/70 is a bogus number. It's basically a 3 year deal with 33 the first two years and 6 if you wanna dump him the 3rd. It's a 3 year 48 million dollar contract.

That is the problem, where are they going to come up with that kind of $$ without dumping several players and most likely Solder. So then you have Revis and a bunch of holes to fill including your starting LT with no cap room left to fill them. I'm as bummed as anyone that we couldn't keep Revis but I don't see how they could have done it?

It's like going to an auction and bidding on a painting. You have $100 and a credit card with a 75% APR and the guy you are bidding against has $150.

I still think the Jets would have pushed the # even higher if they had to. It sucks but is hardly surprising. I think the bigger question is how teams like Seattle can keep their secondary and other defensive studs, Wilson who is making big$$, Lynch at 10mil a year and have no problem taking on Graham's salary.

Wilson isn't making big money yet, so there's your answer. His salary and cap hit this year will be $1.5 million. His contract is up after this season, so it will be interesting to see how Seattle approaches the issue of how to pay everyone.

Must of had him confused with Kaep, thought he signed an extension last year. Next year the Pats need $$ for Gronk too.