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msommer
Footballguy
Gandalf
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Just remember, he's on a contract to make just under 3m this year and he was traded for a song. Even after his impressive showing in CLE. Why would that be?
That said, I hope he does well.
Gandalf
Footballguy
I don’t think anyone sees him as a upgrade from Butler but he’s not a total scrub and again he was essentially free
Bossman
Footballguy
... but is he good enough to start in the Super Bowl?
Very frustrating trying to fill this position. I'm not convinced Gilmore is even worth what he's getting paid.
They've certainly tried to draft CB / S but haven't been able to land "the guy".
All a bunch of jag's. .... Maybe NE's DB coaching is holding them back.
NE DB's really aren't playmakers and I suspect it's because they're coached to not take chances.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I blame the front 7 way more than I blame the secondary on the SB loss. IMO, the secondary is probably top third of the league. They got no pressure most weeks last year unless they blitzed.
I see them both signing help and drafting at LB and DL. I don't think they go DB in the draft (and if so they will take a project in the late rounds but at safety). With their first three picks, I would not be shocked if they took all lineman (both sides of the ball). I know people are screaming for them to find the next Jimmy G., but they may take their third rounder and take a lesser known QB that they like and others may overlook (Luke Falk? Mike White?)
That being said, who knows which players and positions will be available when the Pats draft. We know their board always looks way different than other teams, so they may have some guy projected in the first that other teams have in the sixth.
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Bossman
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I wasn't suggesting the DB's were to blame for the SB loss... was questioning if McCourty might be better than Butler (who apparently wasn't good enough to start in the SB).
When's the last time you saw a NE CB jump a route to pick off a pass? It's usually just a bad throw by the QB ... or a jump ball type pass, that gets them an INT.
Nothing manufactured by the CB skills. How about they draft the next Josh Norman and let him do his thing instead of coaching him into mediocrity. I know, bend but don't break, bla, bla, bla.
I agree about the front 7 (as you've heard me rant). The LB's are a bunch of turds ... and no quality edge rusher on the team ... or did they re-sign Harrison.
Classic BB though ... let the dust settle in the initial scramble of free agency ... then step in and cherry pick from who's leftover. That will then determine draft needs.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
OT Matt Tobin signed away from Seattle. 
The very bottom of the barrel in FA Tackles. This had to be done to get Flemming or Waddle on board a touch faster.
The very bottom of the barrel in FA Tackles. This had to be done to get Flemming or Waddle on board a touch faster.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Lets hope so....OT Matt Tobin signed away from Seattle.
The very bottom of the barrel in FA Tackles. This had to be done to get Flemming or Waddle on board a touch faster.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Both seem like classic BB moves. Hill moreso. Dude has talent but was abysmal last year. He'll bounce back as the next Blount.
Bossman
Footballguy
and that ends the silly talk of drafting a RB early.
Seems they've filled a couple holes in FA now. Plugged up the middle of the D-Line with a big fatty ... now RB is locked up with Hill, Burkhead, White.
Here's how I would LIKE them to draft ...
1.31 ... LT (this isn't a position that you can afford to fill in free agency)
2.11 ... MLB (gave up JG for this guy. Make it count! Hightower is a giant injury risk and they desperately need depth)
2.31 ... CB (can't afford to continue overpaying for free agents at this position)
3.31 ... DE / OLB (presumably getting Rivers back this year so they can wait until now. Depth needed as anyone taken here is better than what is on their roster after Rivers)
4.36 ... QB (some D2 guy that no one is talking about)
5.22 ... TE (Gronks future in doubt and Hollister is decent but plays small)
7.21 ... Doesn't matter.
... but we all know their draft will go nothing like this since they'll trade away half of these for future picks.
My opinion could change tho as free agency moves along and more players are brought in.
Boston
Footballguy
I don’t think it ends the silly talk at all...they will be adding another RB whether it is in the draft or free agency.....that being said with Hill onboard and Burkhead back it doesn’t have to be high one now...they have more flexibility...a nice 4th round addition would round out that unit very nicely...would not be surprised if it is a RB with return skills as well...
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Bossman
Footballguy
Just makes no sense to draft a RB when there are quality guys available for cheap.
Unless you're drafting Fournett here, there are much more pressing needs at too many other positions.
That said, BB probably grabs a RB early. What do I know.
I can imagine the BB interview after the draft: "yeah, we really liked this kid. Had a 1st rd grade on him and we were happy to get him at 2.11 ... even tho every other team had him graded as a 6th round special teams prospect."
BB is not from this planet.
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Good to see the additions to the defense. What NE does in the off season with trades and free agency is interesting. Especially with the over reaction. Last year, it was they weren't going to lose a game. This year BB sucks and doesn't know how to coach, evaluate players, build a team.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
1 year deal.
Look for Miller, Rankin or Williams at 31.
*Reports saying New England preferred Fleming, but so did most teams and they knew it was a log shot as Fleming wanted to fully test the market.
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Boston
Footballguy
The x-factor is the kid Garcia they traded up for in the third round last year...he lost last year with a blood clot issue in his lungs...they were high on him but not quite sure what to expect from him after the health issue although I believe he is already cleared to play...
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...losing he and Rivers last year was really unfortunate...it could have made this offseason a lot easier if they proved they were legit last year...
Workhorse
Footballguy
Good article about Riley McCarron today as a deep sleeper to replace Amendola in 2018: https://nesn.com/2018/03/is-ex-patriots-practice-squad-receiver-new-englands-next-slot-option/
Bossman
Footballguy
Well the Cooks trade doesn't change much as far as draft needs imo. Just makes the quality of player become better at each position.
1.23 ... LT (this isn't a position that you can afford to fill in free agency)
1.31 ... MLB (Hightower is a giant injury risk and they desperately need depth)
2.11 ... CB (gave up JG for this guy. Make it count! can't afford to continue overpaying for free agents at this position)
2.31 ... DE / OLB (presumably getting Rivers back this year so they can wait until now. Depth needed as anyone taken here is better than what is on their roster after Rivers)
3.31 ... QB (some D2 guy that no one is talking about)
5.22 ... TE (Gronks future in doubt and Hollister is decent but plays small)
7.21 ... Doesn't matter.
1) Edelman, 2) Hogan, 3) Mitchel, 4) Dorsett, 5) C.Patterson??, should be sufficient as a WR corps. No need to draft a WR early ... or at all.
Cody Hollister now listed on the depth chart? Pretty cool story if he can make the roster and get some playing time with his brother.
Not likely, but would like to see BB use all of these picks and load up for Brady's last run.
Unfortunately history shows that he's more likely to trade down and / or out for future picks.
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Boston
Footballguy
Been seeing his name pop up with some of the local media lately...got a feeling we may have our next guy who everyone loves in preseason but doesn't quite make it...WR will be very interesting...they are now carrying 2 (Slater and Patterson) who are basically special teams guys...
Boston
Footballguy
I am not so sure they stand pat at WR whether it is thru the draft or trade...they are 1 injury away from being real thin there and Mitchell is not exactly known for his durability at this point in his career and Edelman is not getting any younger...Amendola is not around to bail them out this year...I could easily see a Jordan Mathews type added to the mix (he recently came in for a FA visit)...now if they feel Kenny Britt can be counted on (a very huge if) that could change how this unit is looked at...same with Dorsett but I did not see too much from him last year...JG is the 2.11 pick not 1.31...I would not be surprised if TE goes higher...possibly a lot higher...that is a position BB places tremendous value on and even if Gronk was to be here longer than it appears he will they need another legit player at that position...Dwayne Allen is not that player and as you said Hollister is just Ok...I know most disagree but I would really like to see them add a young RB with some playmaking ability...add that to White, Burkhead and hopefully a rejuvenated Hill and you could be set at that position for multiple years...
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Boston
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I would have zero issues if this is what the Pats first 4 picks looked like:
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/giardi-heres-who-patriots-take-first-and-second-rounds#slide-1
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/giardi-heres-who-patriots-take-first-and-second-rounds#slide-1
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Riversco
Footballguy
I think the Patriots have to get pass rush at 23. Lack of pass rush in the Super Bowl cost them against Foles. They need it. They'll get LT elsewhere.
Bossman
Footballguy
Not unlikely .... but Derek Rivers will be back from the knee. First priorities will be LT and MLB imo. DE and CB will be next.
Regardless of the order tho, any upgrades at these positions will be appreciated.
Bossman
Footballguy
Listening to NFL radio yesterday and the host was talking about DET draft. Ross Tucker maybe?
Suggested that DET could trade down from 1.20 to 1.23 with NE and pick up an extra 2nd from NE.
I'm thinking to myself, "yeah, BB traded Garopollo for the opportunity to move up 3 slots at the end of the first round". Sheesh.
He went on and on about how Patricia is tight with BB ... and how DET could then draft this guy and that guy with the extra 2nd round pick from NE.
I'm sure he had DET fans frothing at the mouth.
I had to change the station. It's a silly time of year for sure but I just don't expect this type of non-sense from knowledgeable sports talk show hosts.
Suggested that DET could trade down from 1.20 to 1.23 with NE and pick up an extra 2nd from NE.
I'm thinking to myself, "yeah, BB traded Garopollo for the opportunity to move up 3 slots at the end of the first round". Sheesh.
He went on and on about how Patricia is tight with BB ... and how DET could then draft this guy and that guy with the extra 2nd round pick from NE.
I'm sure he had DET fans frothing at the mouth.
I had to change the station. It's a silly time of year for sure but I just don't expect this type of non-sense from knowledgeable sports talk show hosts.
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I had to change the station. It's a silly time of year for sure but I just don't expect this type of non-sense from knowledgeable sports talk show hosts.
Agree with you 100%. I understand they are just making a living but NE is one of the hardest teams to guess what they are doing. Having a draft board of 50 to 75 players indicates they
evaluate players differently. NE's theory appears to be evaluate a player on what he does well, how he can help the team and if the player fits the type of player they are looking for.
BB always says the same thing, we'll put them through the process and see what happens. They accumulate a 90 man roster then the grind begins.
Agree with you 100%. I understand they are just making a living but NE is one of the hardest teams to guess what they are doing. Having a draft board of 50 to 75 players indicates they
evaluate players differently. NE's theory appears to be evaluate a player on what he does well, how he can help the team and if the player fits the type of player they are looking for.
BB always says the same thing, we'll put them through the process and see what happens. They accumulate a 90 man roster then the grind begins.
Boston
Footballguy
Pats sniffing around Mason Rudolph...
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-hold-workout-oklahoma-state-qb-mason-rudolph
If he is a guy they like he is very gettable with their draft situation...you could add him and still have plenty of other solid picks to fill other holes...
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-hold-workout-oklahoma-state-qb-mason-rudolph
If he is a guy they like he is very gettable with their draft situation...you could add him and still have plenty of other solid picks to fill other holes...
Boston
Footballguy
Pats had Orleans Darkwa in for a visit...
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/report-rb-orleans-darkwa-visiting-patriots-monday
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/report-rb-orleans-darkwa-visiting-patriots-monday
Bossman
Footballguy
I understand taking the OT with #23.
I'm shocked with the RB at #31.
Pats weakness is on defense yet they find a need for a RB here?
Maylock compares Sony Michel to 3rd rd RB Alvin Kamara. Super .... so you're saying he's got Kamaras 3rd rd talent and NE took him in the 1st round ... at a position that is not a priority.
We've tried to defend BB because of the teams success but I'm really starting to think he is loosing his marbles. He makes some very poor personnel decisions yet the team wins in spite of these so people let him off the hook..
I'm shocked with the RB at #31.
Pats weakness is on defense yet they find a need for a RB here?
Maylock compares Sony Michel to 3rd rd RB Alvin Kamara. Super .... so you're saying he's got Kamaras 3rd rd talent and NE took him in the 1st round ... at a position that is not a priority.
We've tried to defend BB because of the teams success but I'm really starting to think he is loosing his marbles. He makes some very poor personnel decisions yet the team wins in spite of these so people let him off the hook..
bostonfred
Footballguy
They clearly thought losing Dion was bigger than you did. The rb run looks like it has started and there are several rb needy teams between their late first and early second. I'm ok with it.
They still need defensive help and probably more o line help, and possibly a developmental tight end. I think a lot of teams jumped the patriots to get specific players they thought the pats wanted - like the titans moving up 3 spots specifically to get a guy the pats had been closely connected with before the draft - but I like the draft so far
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
Jacksonke1
Footballguy
Kamara would be a first rounder in hindsight..........that logic is like saying a you should wait until round 6 or whatever to draft a QB with Tom Brady NFL comps
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
hoping Pats get to draft a 3rd Bulldog w their next pick
Bossman
Footballguy
You consider Kamara in the same group as recent 1st rd RB's ... Fournette, McCaffrey, or previous year, Ezikel Elliot?
Dude had one game with over 100 yds rushing. Not worthy of a 1st in my opinion ... even in hindsight.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The titans picked 25 and the patriots picked 23rd. 24th was the Panthers, who have one of the best linebacker groups in the NFL. The titans traded up to 22 to take Alabama linebacker Rashaan Evans, who was widely mocked to the patriots because of positional need and the Saban connection.
I don't really mind vrabel getting his guy and i think the patriots needed an o lineman more. I just think it was pretty obvious that that's what happened.
Seriously just Google it.
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/Bolt/Peter-Kings-mock-Patriots-select-Rashaan-Evans-Vander-Esch-117604426
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2018/4/20/17260292/2018-nfl-mock-draft-rashaan-evans-new-england-patriots
http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/alabama-lb-rashaan-evans-who-may-be-targeted-patriots-says-he-could-be-just
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/prototypical-patriots-vander-esch-evans-offer-different-strengths
Jacksonke1
Footballguy
Just saying there is a lot of consensus that he would be drafted in first round in hindsight, like McCaffrey was. Depends on the team and GM philosophy as to where exactly, but given a look at what he could do with increased touches in an NFL offense over his college career, his draft position would certainly vault from the third round.
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
That makes sense. I guess it was more of a semantics thing when you said that "a lot" of teams jumped the Patriots. Thanks for the reply.
Wingnut
Footballguy
http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/115559-49ers-trade-tackle-trent-brown-patriots/
It looks like tackle Trent Brown's tenure with the San Francisco 49ers is over. He and the 49ers' 143rd-overall selection has been traded to the New England Patriots for the 95th-overall selection, according to a report by Field Yates of ESPN.
Brown, who has been with the 49ers for three seasons, was selected by the team in the seventh round of the 2015 NFL Draft. He has played in 31 games with the 49ers and started all but three of those appearances. All three were during his rookie season.
Brown injured his shoulder during practice on Thanksgiving Day last year. While he came back and played against the Chicago Bears during Week 13, the injury did not go away. Brown missed the final four games of the season and landed on injured reserve.
It looks like tackle Trent Brown's tenure with the San Francisco 49ers is over. He and the 49ers' 143rd-overall selection has been traded to the New England Patriots for the 95th-overall selection, according to a report by Field Yates of ESPN.
Brown, who has been with the 49ers for three seasons, was selected by the team in the seventh round of the 2015 NFL Draft. He has played in 31 games with the 49ers and started all but three of those appearances. All three were during his rookie season.
Brown injured his shoulder during practice on Thanksgiving Day last year. While he came back and played against the Chicago Bears during Week 13, the injury did not go away. Brown missed the final four games of the season and landed on injured reserve.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Von Miller calls Trent Brown the best right tackle in the NFL.
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Von-Miller-on-49ers-Trent-Brown-He-s-the-11824784.php
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Von-Miller-on-49ers-Trent-Brown-He-s-the-11824784.php
Bossman
Footballguy
These next 2 picks need to be defense.
I could see them trading down with either or both but they need to address LB with one or both of these picks.
CB would be smart here but they seem to do just as good in the late rounds at that position.
Wouldn't be shocked if QB is addressed with one of these also ... but I just can't get that taste out of my mouth of PHI scoring at will on them all game long.
I don't see how their D gets repaired without some help here.
I could see them trading down with either or both but they need to address LB with one or both of these picks.
CB would be smart here but they seem to do just as good in the late rounds at that position.
Wouldn't be shocked if QB is addressed with one of these also ... but I just can't get that taste out of my mouth of PHI scoring at will on them all game long.
I don't see how their D gets repaired without some help here.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
wOw - Pats traded out of the spot just before Lauletta was taken in the 4th & Brady-idolator Falk in the 6th. waiting for something, anything from BB that doesn't smack of heedless arrogance. been a while... 
Boston
Footballguy
I actually enjoy it...any time "the experts" feel he absolutely has to do something you just know he's not gonna do it...it's been 18 years and he still constantly surprises...always entertaining...wOw - Pats traded out of the spot just before Lauletta was taken in the 4th & Brady-idolator Falk in the 6th. waiting for something, anything from BB that doesn't smack of heedless arrogance. been a while...
Absolutely hysterical. NE doesn't draft a QB until round 7.
Bill obviously didn't think much of this QB draft class.
Experts predict early QB pick from Bill, Bill does the opposite.
If this LSU QB becomes the next Tom Brady they should rename all hall of fames across all sports across the entire globe after Bill Belichick.
Bill obviously didn't think much of this QB draft class.
Experts predict early QB pick from Bill, Bill does the opposite.
If this LSU QB becomes the next Tom Brady they should rename all hall of fames across all sports across the entire globe after Bill Belichick.
Bossman
Footballguy
That didn't shock me as much as not drafting anyone to sure up their gaping holes at LB and DE until the 5th round.
I still can't get that taste out of my mouth from the SB. They just couldn't get one more stop during that 4th qtr.
Taking a RB? ... and trading out of the 2nd and 3rd rounds when surely there were warm bodies available that would be better than what's on their roster now at DE / LB.
Can't help but think there would be a new banner in Foxboro this year if Chandler Jones and his 17 sacks was still on the team.
The Pats lack of QB pressure will continue to make QB's like Blake Bortles and Nick Foles look like the next Dan Marino.
Weak defense but superb aging QB ... he can't run but rocket arm and pin point accuracy ... should be able to out-gun most opponents.
Welcome to this years version of the 2006 Colts.