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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (2 Viewers)

as an fyi, under a defensive HC, this team has zero takeaways. for his career, gardner has 3 INTs, 2 during his rookie year. i don’t remember the last time a safety picked off a pass.

Our safeties are useless and Sauce must play with greased oven mitts.

What's even worse than not getting INTs is what is our ratio on recovering fumbles??? It has to be like 2% even when we are the only players in the area. I have never seen a team miss more lose footballs than this team over the years. It's like rigged dice. It never lands their way like sort of everlasting voodoo curse.
Turnovers are a rare commodity for the Jets - I lost track of all the fumbles they never come up with - for years now. Even when the D was really good with Saleh they never got turnovers. Now the D is mid and still dont get turnovers.

Really hope Fields plays as I dont want to watch Tyrod again....no point
 
as an fyi, under a defensive HC, this team has zero takeaways. for his career, gardner has 3 INTs, 2 during his rookie year. i don’t remember the last time a safety picked off a pass.

Our safeties are useless and Sauce must play with greased oven mitts.

What's even worse than not getting INTs is what is our ratio on recovering fumbles??? It has to be like 2% even when we are the only players in the area. I have never seen a team miss more lose footballs than this team over the years. It's like rigged dice. It never lands their way like sort of everlasting voodoo curse.
Turnovers are a rare commodity for the Jets - I lost track of all the fumbles they never come up with - for years now. Even when the D was really good with Saleh they never got turnovers. Now the D is mid and still dont get turnovers.

Really hope Fields plays as I dont want to watch Tyrod again....no point
you know, tyrod might be better.
 
I bet you guys do remember some turnovers...unfortunately almost all of them by us. Butt fumble. Pick any 2-3 weekly by Z Wilson. Let's not forget the hail mary before the half INT. Omg, so many.
 
as an fyi, under a defensive HC, this team has zero takeaways. for his career, gardner has 3 INTs, 2 during his rookie year. i don’t remember the last time a safety picked off a pass.

Our safeties are useless and Sauce must play with greased oven mitts.

What's even worse than not getting INTs is what is our ratio on recovering fumbles??? It has to be like 2% even when we are the only players in the area. I have never seen a team miss more lose footballs than this team over the years. It's like rigged dice. It never lands their way like sort of everlasting voodoo curse.
Turnovers are a rare commodity for the Jets - I lost track of all the fumbles they never come up with - for years now. Even when the D was really good with Saleh they never got turnovers. Now the D is mid and still dont get turnovers.

Really hope Fields plays as I dont want to watch Tyrod again....no point
you know, tyrod might be better.
He might be, but he is 100% not the future of this team. Fields might only be at a 15% chance at best at this point, but at least it's there. Plus the best the offense has looked in years was week 1. Week 2 was horrendous, but I'd like to at least see where the pendulum settles with him at QB.
 
i think the jest now have 1 decent LB rostered and that is sherwood, who was on the field because mosley wasn’t. this defence is so lousy. reminds me of the kotite jest.
 
Reporters in the locker room interviewing Titans players just shocked and sad.

He tweeted then deleted it.

Everyone says the same thing- he's a dawg
 
i think the jest now have 1 decent LB rostered and that is sherwood, who was on the field because mosley wasn’t. this defence is so lousy. reminds me of the kotite jest.
Fred Taylor was on some podcast and talking about their old safety lighting people up and how the NFL pushing against big hits lowered turnover numbers.
Debate carried on, stats shared that essentially it's untrue, but every player on there said that's still how you create turnovers 😊

I believe it. Skip the stats. If Jets get some big hits, change will come. Maybe it won't be the hit but a bad adjustment afraid to get hit.

Remember Otis Smith somehow having INTs aways seem to come to him? Brownlee's in your face style gets his hands on a lot of passes. If he almost intercepts it or wrestles with the WR for it, I don't usually care if it's caught. Stats do but for me, stuff happens when defenders touch the ball. Maybe not that play, but it's coming.

Some people used to call our safety Kevin Byard not good and say he's just opportunistic. I'll take that too. Do I care if he intercepts a pass right to him or grabs a batted ball?

I bet if the Jets nail some big hits their luck changes
 
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#Jets new CB Jarvis Brownlee is currently the #1 ranked CB in all of football at stopping the run, & below you see why

He's also been a starter since being drafted in 2024

GREAT trade
 
brownlee is definitely a jet type of player. proliferation for taking penalties, hurt. if he plays at the same time as clemons, jets have a chance to incur a penalty on every play. this d is gonna give up 30 every game.
 
Fields at practice but in protocol still - gonna go down to the wire - agree with above - Fields may only have a small chance of being the future but as Lloyd Christmas says to 1 in a million - "so you're telling me theres a chance!!!!"

JJ and Brownlee designated "week to week" so may be a while before the debut
 
I appreciate the staff recognizing weak spots on the team and making cheap trades to fill them. They basically gave up nothing for Brownlee, so who cares if he stinks (or is "good" but too penalty prone)

But it doesn't make up for the obvious moves they made/didn't make that have caused those problems in the first place. Everyone knew wr2 was a problem and they did nothing. Every pundit said that the stephens deal made no sense and that he stunk and they gave him 40 million dollars.

Just make it make sense. Why pay a project that one of the best franchises in the league gave up on that kind of money? MAJOR red flag
 
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I appreciate the staff recognizing weak spots on the team and making cheap trades to fill them. They basically gave up nothing for Brownlee, so who cares if he stinks (or is "good" but too penalty prone)

But it doesn't make up the obvious moves they made/didn't make that have caused those problems in the first place. Everyone knew wr2 was a problem and they did nothing. Every pundit said that the stephens deal made no sense and that he stuck and they gave him 40 million dollars.

Just make it make sense. Why pay a project that one of the best franchises in the league that kind of money? MAJOR red flag
agreed - i think this was AG being a little too cocky that he feel in love with Stephens athletic traits and figured as a CB guru he could fix him - hopefully lesson learned. IMO he gets one of these. Big mistake
 
I appreciate the staff recognizing weak spots on the team and making cheap trades to fill them. They basically gave up nothing for Brownlee, so who cares if he stinks (or is "good" but too penalty prone)

But it doesn't make up the obvious moves they made/didn't make that have caused those problems in the first place. Everyone knew wr2 was a problem and they did nothing. Every pundit said that the stephens deal made no sense and that he stuck and they gave him 40 million dollars.

Just make it make sense. Why pay a project that one of the best franchises in the league that kind of money? MAJOR red flag

Yep. This is the exact point I was getting at upthread only not as succinctly.
 
I appreciate the staff recognizing weak spots on the team and making cheap trades to fill them. They basically gave up nothing for Brownlee, so who cares if he stinks (or is "good" but too penalty prone)

But it doesn't make up for the obvious moves they made/didn't make that have caused those problems in the first place. Everyone knew wr2 was a problem and they did nothing. Every pundit said that the stephens deal made no sense and that he stunk and they gave him 40 million dollars.

Just make it make sense. Why pay a project that one of the best franchises in the league gave up on that kind of money? MAJOR red flag
I liked both WRs with the same last name this offseason.
I can't stand when teams with poor receiving production offer a snobby POV towards preseason/summer success.
Keep that third stringer, at least he makes plays
 
Justin Fields is our QB and Darnold is doing what Darnold apparently now does, which is drop bombs in buckets in a league where they take away the deep pass. JFC. The Jets?

Forget this. It's the owner. There is no structure, no clue who to hire, no clue what to do with the talent they inevitably take at the top of the first round. Woody will spend then override and meddle. Can we freaky Friday him with Sheila Hamp Ford? Please?

Or maybe have an ex-player more like Chris Spielman and less like Mark Gastineau?

****. This organization sucks. Since '69.

This team. My God. This has been your nigthly lament.

 
@Bri

I know you love Brownlee, but what the Titans took for him raised some red flags in my world, I guess, and I came across a claim that he was missing meetings and not with the organization and sort of a general problem. Ross Tucker has covered the league and covered it well for years, and he has this to say about CJGJ in Houston and Brownlee in TN. Crap.


Easton Freeze implies that the player is either expendable or a problem


It is actually been surmised that he will indeed play the slot corner position while our LB Williams is on the shelf. Much has been made of his tackling.

With that in mind, it might be nice to see if he can be CB2 and let Stephens sacrifice his body in the middle of the field. The edges are much more valuable and talent to go there difficult to find and expensive, not to mention crucial for the team's success.

And if he can cover the boundary, it does point to both Tucker and Freeze's assertion. Some stuff is too good to be true and thus isn't good in the first place. Let's hope he had just had it with somebody in TN or all the losing.

Brownlee is currently injured and is considered week-to-week in his prognosis.
 
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@Bri

I know you love Brownlee, but what the Titans took for him raised some red flags in my world, I guess, and I came across a claim that he was missing meetings and not with the organization and sort of a general problem. Ross Tucker has covered the league and covered it well for years, and he has this to say about CJGJ in Houston and Brownlee in TN. Crap.


Easton Freeze implies that the player is either expendable or a problem


It is actually been surmised that he will indeed play the slot corner position while our LB Williams is on the shelf. Much has been made of his tackling.

With that in mind, it might be nice to see if he can be CB2 and let Stephens sacrifice his body in the middle of the field. The edges are much more valuable and talent to go there difficult to find and expensive, not to mention crucial for the team's success.

And if he can cover the boundary, it does point to both Tucker and Freeze's assertion. Some stuff is too good to be true and thus isn't good in the first place. Let's hope he had just had it with somebody in TN or all the losing.

Brownlee is currently injured and is considered week-to-week in his prognosis.
Edited to remove since RA's followup
 
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Justin Fields is our QB and Darnold is doing what Darnold apparently now does, which is drop bombs in buckets in a league where they take away the deep pass. JFC. The Jets?

Darnold looked really good last night but it's hard to blame the Jets for moving on from him (they can take blame for not developing him and supporting him though). He also failed miserably in Carolina and then bounced around as a back-up before being resurrected by Shanahan and O'Connell. He looked really really bad in the Vikings last game with the division on the line and in his one and done playoff game. I honestly thought he'd fail in Seattle with their poor line but he's played very well this year.
 
Justin Fields is our QB and Darnold is doing what Darnold apparently now does, which is drop bombs in buckets in a league where they take away the deep pass. JFC. The Jets?

Darnold looked really good last night but it's hard to blame the Jets for moving on from him (they can take blame for not developing him and supporting him though). He also failed miserably in Carolina and then bounced around as a back-up before being resurrected by Shanahan and O'Connell. He looked really really bad in the Vikings last game with the division on the line and in his one and done playoff game. I honestly thought he'd fail in Seattle with their poor line but he's played very well this year.

All of that is true. I was saying what your parenthetical aside did. I would have clearly moved on from Sam given the NYJ situation and organization. My fear and lament is that the structure is the exact same with the same things precluding any potential for successes by coaches, GMs, scouts, front office folks, and players.

It never changes.
 
@Bri

I know you love Brownlee, but what the Titans took for him raised some red flags in my world, I guess, and I came across a claim that he was missing meetings and not with the organization and sort of a general problem. Ross Tucker has covered the league and covered it well for years, and he has this to say about CJGJ in Houston and Brownlee in TN. Crap.


Easton Freeze implies that the player is either expendable or a problem


It is actually been surmised that he will indeed play the slot corner position while our LB Williams is on the shelf. Much has been made of his tackling.

With that in mind, it might be nice to see if he can be CB2 and let Stephens sacrifice his body in the middle of the field. The edges are much more valuable and talent to go there difficult to find and expensive, not to mention crucial for the team's success.

And if he can cover the boundary, it does point to both Tucker and Freeze's assertion. Some stuff is too good to be true and thus isn't good in the first place. Let's hope he had just had it with somebody in TN or all the losing.

Brownlee is currently injured and is considered week-to-week in his prognosis.
First of all, you have this premise that the Titans are a well run organization making wise decisions in here 😉

Our new GM released Awuzie who is now a starter. Why not trade? Why release him? We never got any answer whatsoever.

Up n coming glowing CB coach Chris Harris walked. Everyone praises the guy and new staffs keep him but the new GM comes and now he's with the Jets. Never got any update on that.

Brownlee was a fifth- steal of the draft- and traded with a seventh for a sixth and the HC said the GM and he thinks that's good value.

The coach called out James Williams and the defense for tackling last week and made him inactive. Welp the starter til the last two weeks didn't play a snap on defense and after the prior game he singled him out as playing great on ST. We're left wondering if he has the wrong player.

They signed Armour Davis from Bal as a WW and he was familiar with the DC and he got a chance to play with Brownlee out. After the game, coach said he was pulled and they need to work on some things. On Tuesday, coach named him as a Brownlee replacement.

Our starting RT fill in for Latham has been cut and on our PS a few times the last couple years but they tell us he's quite good as a replacement. Cam was just shy of David Carr's sack record but...yeah yeah the RT is good.

Our rookie RBs ankle will be healed up for the regular season, no no now he's doing well with the trainers and could play this week, and...they put him on IR.

Tvondre Sweat said (video on X) he would play last week and then was put on IR. Coach said he had to practice and said he won't play on Friday and then put him on IR on Saturday AND had a shpeal about the strife between the D and O since the D was playing so much better.

Our fellow fans claim every signed player is better than he was and every cut player is worse than he was.

Anytime someone is traded for peanuts that stuff is said by some but not that the organization made a mistake.

There were about 8 players that spoke up unhappy about the Brownlee trade. That's abnormally positive for a guy after two games into his second year. That's on every social media and quoted in articles. There's also reports of players leaving the locker room after that game and after Wed practice afraid to say the wrong thing.

There's a plethora of articles and shows saying how ridiculous the trade was including click bait Easton saying so. He literally has his hands on his head in one. Click away, he got you.

Aaron Glenn wasn't all smiles because Brownlee stinks.

He does miss tackles when they're blown out and he tried to make a spectacular play as if he can turn a 21 point deficit. IDC. The rest of the time he's fine if not very good. The Titans have terrible (32nd) ranked edges and our CBs often have to tackle backs running wide with zero help on the play. Thankfully our safeties rock so they're usually there and it's a two man stop. Steichen ran ten bootleg plays because of our edges.
Brownlee blitz and darted to the QB and dove and...missed recently.
Occasionally, he gets angry after some catches and goes for the ball in the WR hands and should just tackle them.
He'll get called for too many penalties.
He's not perfect.

I shared stats of his exceptionally low YPA stats last year and how he's only allowed 61 yards this year. Before injury, he led the NFL in yards allowed and catches allowed by a CB with X number of snaps.

You just fell for Easton's click bait.
There is no way I can read all that. I guess it’s possible I’m falling for clickbait. Is longtime journalist Ross Tucker similarly gullible? I guess we will find out.
 
Justin Fields is our QB and Darnold is doing what Darnold apparently now does, which is drop bombs in buckets in a league where they take away the deep pass. JFC. The Jets?

Darnold looked really good last night but it's hard to blame the Jets for moving on from him (they can take blame for not developing him and supporting him though). He also failed miserably in Carolina and then bounced around as a back-up before being resurrected by Shanahan and O'Connell. He looked really really bad in the Vikings last game with the division on the line and in his one and done playoff game. I honestly thought he'd fail in Seattle with their poor line but he's played very well this year.

All of that is true. I was saying what your parenthetical aside did. I would have clearly moved on from Sam given the NYJ situation and organization. My fear and lament is that the structure is the exact same with the same things precluding any potential for successes by coaches, GMs, scouts, front office folks, and players.

It never changes.
It’s been pretty futile close to twenty years now - and it wasn’t exactly plush with success before that.

I think being a fan of this team may squarely fall under that one prevalent but not really correct definition of insanity.

As of now, I’m not writing off the coach and GM, but as you say it goes above that. Obviously the track record says we start all over again in two or three years.
 
I also hope Fields is healthy. Otherwise there’s no real reason to watch. Taylor could win games in the NFL but there’s not much point in that and there’s surely no future there.

I also hope they manufacture some touches for Mason Taylor and make him the de facto WR2. He’s shown flashes of being a playmaker. They really have nothing after Wilson, as been said.
 
I also hope Fields is healthy. Otherwise there’s no real reason to watch. Taylor could win games in the NFL but there’s not much point in that and there’s surely no future there.

I also hope they manufacture some touches for Mason Taylor and make him the de facto WR2. He’s shown flashes of being a playmaker. They really have nothing after Wilson, as been said.

Yeah, I agree with this but I've always thought Fields was awful and aside from that game against Pittsburgh, well, I think things have always been bleak for the hopes that he will intersect with greatness in some way.

I don't know. I'll let it play out.
 
I also hope Fields is healthy. Otherwise there’s no real reason to watch. Taylor could win games in the NFL but there’s not much point in that and there’s surely no future there.

I also hope they manufacture some touches for Mason Taylor and make him the de facto WR2. He’s shown flashes of being a playmaker. They really have nothing after Wilson, as been said.

Yeah, I agree with this but I've always thought Fields was awful and aside from that game against Pittsburgh, well, I think things have always been bleak for the hopes that he will intersect with greatness in some way.

I don't know. I'll let it play out.
I didn’t see the Buffalo game so I have some hope with Fields still (not to be a great QB but “good enough” when combined with his athleticism). I think he’s looked decent but inconsistent with Chicago and Pitt and his traits line up with the QBs on successful teams.

I’m not really counting on it - but want to at least see what happens with his progress. Week 1 didn’t look like a fluke in any way, but I understand Week 2 was a disaster, so maybe the inconsistency remains.

I want him to play this week because if he stinks against Miami, we know he stinks. They have the worst secondary in the NFL and the Jets line has been decent.
 
I also hope Fields is healthy. Otherwise there’s no real reason to watch. Taylor could win games in the NFL but there’s not much point in that and there’s surely no future there.

I also hope they manufacture some touches for Mason Taylor and make him the de facto WR2. He’s shown flashes of being a playmaker. They really have nothing after Wilson, as been said.

Yeah, I agree with this but I've always thought Fields was awful and aside from that game against Pittsburgh, well, I think things have always been bleak for the hopes that he will intersect with greatness in some way.

I don't know. I'll let it play out.
I didn’t see the Buffalo game so I have some hope with Fields still (not to be a great QB but “good enough” when combined with his athleticism). I think he’s looked decent but inconsistent with Chicago and Pitt and his traits line up with the QBs on successful teams.

I’m not really counting on it - but want to at least see what happens with his progress. Week 1 didn’t look like a fluke in any way, but I understand Week 2 was a disaster, so maybe the inconsistency remains.

I want him to play this week because if he stinks against Miami, we know he stinks. They have the worst secondary in the NFL and the Jets line has been decent.

Yeah. I hear you.

The Jets line isn't good, man. Membou is top ten in both pass block and run block win rate, but PFF says we are the 19th best. Olu Fashanu has the second-worst pressure rate among left tackles in the NFL. Whatever Membou gets you, Fashanu has lost.

Joe Tippman and John Simpson have good run blocking grades, but the unit has allowed tons of pressure on dropbacks.
 

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