Chemical X
Footballguy
the wr room is comically bad. who can you see going 5/90 from that group? does anyone besides wilson and taylor even have 5 catches?
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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (2 Viewers)
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rockaction
Footballguy
Much worse. That means the game is moving too fast for him to make the easiest of decisions. But it was never going to be excusable. In the event that you want to let it run down and only want to run a play because you’re afraid of a pick six or sack-fumble, you’re in his ear saying, “Justin, call [Hail Mary play name] snap it at eight and throw it in the end zone.” The more I watch it the more I guess I could conceivably see Glenn’s point about not turning it over for the other team to score points, but I’m wondering what the EPA is on a Hail Mary thrown with seven or so seconds left from your own 48.5 yard line. This was a case of not thinking in probabilities. It was like a child who is scared that every thunderstorm will become a tornado because he’s just seen The Wizard of Oz, except there’s no threat of death involved in this.
It doesn’t seem like it should take even ten seconds to think of all of this. I don’t have a screencap but the sequence is up at Jake Asman’s Twitter/X feed and Awful Announcing. The Jets get a first down with 28 or so seconds to go on the Jets’ own 48 or 49 yard line. Fields clearly is looking over at the sideline with 26 seconds left to play and then takes a few steps backwards almost like they’ve told him to stop, but then he reacts to something and moves forward and holds up a fist again as if to signal a play. The camera pans to Engstrom who seems to be pacing around the sidelines and maybe he has said something to Fields, but with 12 or so seconds he backs up and looks at the sidelines again, nearly shrugging. Glenn points at him with eight seconds to go and mouths something but looks just weird (or it might just be me). Clock expires.
I hope they all prove me wrong, but Fields isn’t a good pro quarterback and Glenn is a horrendous coach right now, and he wasn’t ready for this job.
Whatever the Jets do with that is out of my hands, but I guess the real question is since this year is over, do Aaron Glenn or Darren Mougey, considered separately, have the requisite characteristics and skill to lead the Jets to places they want to go?
Even with the question as open-ended and as nebulous as I just asked it; I don’t think so. Not from what I’ve seen. Maybe there are internal dynamics I’m missing (upspeak)? i still am confounded by the personnel evaluation after the 2nd round of the draft, and I think that the coaching decisions, even when held constant for talent or circumstance, have been woeful.
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Deepster
Footballguy
So that leads to the following questions, which is crazy to be asking 6 weeks into this new "regime"....
1) Everyone has already started shovelling dirt on Glenn. Admittedly, I haven't seen any signs of hope other than the team has not had any stupid locker room or off the field issues and still seems like they're kind of holding it together. But, let's assume Glenn is one and done. Who could possibly save this franchise and why would they ever come here?
2) Assume they're getting a top 3 pick this season. And no way Fields (or Taylor) is a long term answer. How could you possible trust this management team to make the best use of that pick?
1) Everyone has already started shovelling dirt on Glenn. Admittedly, I haven't seen any signs of hope other than the team has not had any stupid locker room or off the field issues and still seems like they're kind of holding it together. But, let's assume Glenn is one and done. Who could possibly save this franchise and why would they ever come here?
2) Assume they're getting a top 3 pick this season. And no way Fields (or Taylor) is a long term answer. How could you possible trust this management team to make the best use of that pick?
rockaction
Footballguy
I don’t have any good answers for you. There was a tweet the other day that I saw and responded to (it was way before Callahan’s firing). I’ll reprint it and you can maybe see where I’m going with the Jets here. I had to keep my thoughts really brief to keep it under 250, but look at it. I didn’t alter anything except for my handle because I don’t want to change anything. The first tweet is on top, I’m responding to Barrett, who is responding to Ledyard.
Jon Ledyard
@LedyardNFLDraft
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Oct 5
The bad teams in the league are VERY bad this year. I thought that would be the case before the season, but even I am stunned at the disparity
https://x.com/ScottBarrettDFB
Scott Barrett
@ScottBarrettDFB
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Oct 6
Teams with a point differential of -7.0 per game or worse:
2022: 3 teams
2023: 5 teams
2024: 6 teams
2025: 9 teams
Qualifying Teams:
32. Bengals (-14.2)
31. Titans (-13.6)
30. Raiders (-11.2
29. Browns (-10.0)
28. Jets (-9.0)
27. Saints (-8.6)
26. Giants (-8.0)
25. Dolphins (-7.6)
24. Ravens (-7.2)
rockaction
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Oct 6
Check the owners of 25-32.
25) Ross - tanking, losing picks
26) Mara -
27) Gayle Benson - Church scandal, family suits
28) Woody - kids running show, amb. investigation, “F” from players
29) Haslem - Watson+
30) Davis - illiquid, dim
31) Strunk - GM? FO?
32) Brown - $
*End tweet*
Look at the owners of these teams. They are the worst in the game. For those that don’t know about Amy Strunk in TN, she took over after her father died about five or so years ago and it’s been a **** show in TN. There isn’t a “good” owner among this bunch, and Mara I had no comment on but put praying hands in there because it was just announced he has cancer. I could elaborate further on Gayle Benson a bit, but that’s maybe for later or the Saints thread.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
Lot of season left so after decompressing Im burying the ball ala Rex from that Denver game - AG is a rookie and can't completely turn on him after a few bad games.
That being said - he's got to show improvement especially now that the schedule is loosened up. I see this team going one way or the other - this week will be very telling. Its a winnable game vs Car at home - do the players rally around AG and start playing well or does the bottom fall out? for AGs sake he needs to win a few as the seat is warming fast. New GM did him no favors with lack of depth - especially at WR position - could be worst we've seen and there have been some bad ones
Biggest concern I have is your 2d point- if Fields continues his descent and they are high enough to draft a franchise QB AG could be a one and done - history repeatedly shows struggling DC Hcs dont develop rookie QBs. It may depend on whose out there but IMO he needs to win at least 3-4 games or else its a real chance hes a one and done.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Also for you Fields haters - check out Warner's analysis - like I posted earlier - Fields sacks were not entirely on him. Yes he held the ball too long but no one was open and its clear the OC doesnt want him to improvise for some reason. So his choices are to take the sack or throw a likely pick. Choose your poison - OC also didnt help with no screens or quick passes. Lets hope they fix that this week or it could get ugly fast.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Here's the problem I keep coming back to. If we (collectively as Jets fans) don't believe in a defensive minded HC and their staff to develop a QB then why on earth would anyone have been excited or hopeful about the Glenn hire in the first place? Even if you kept Rodgers you weren't winning a SB with him and he's gone after next year at best so at some point Glenn and Co were going to have to take a young QB or a castoff and turn them into a winning NFL QB. For me it goes back to the Engstrand hire. I liked it, but I immediately questioned having a first time OC with a first time former DC head coach. Washington had success with a (very talented) young QB, a seasoned former HC at OC in Kingsbury and a defensive minded HC in Quinn. No one will tell you that Quinn "developed" Daniels into the ROY. It was hiring Kingsbury that turned out to be the best thing Quinn could have done for Daniels. So if we end up with a top pick and we are going to draft a QB, you either trust Engstrand can coach them or you don't. If you don't, then you fire him and hire an experienced OC to come work with them. Just having that unmolded clay of a rookie might be the thing that entices one of them to come here for a year or two. I just don't see a scenario where Woody fires Glenn after one season. Even if he does I don't see a scenario where a top offensive minded HC candidate wants this job, young QB or not. I think a much more reasonable scenario is finding an OC that failed as a HC like Kingsbury taking that OC job to try and build their stock back up. Who that is I have no idea.
Deepster
Footballguy
To the point of developing a young QB, I was listening to a podcast this week that hypothesized that Woody Johnson wants the credit for success and, as such, continues to hire first time head coaches. Think back to all of them. Bowles, Edwards, Mangini, Gase, etc, etc. Because, as they said, if he hires an established guy like a Payton or Carroll and they turn things around, they'll get the "credit".
Not sure I buy that, but I also wonder why this first time HC formula CLEARLY has not worked and I don't know why they keep banging that drum.
Not sure I buy that, but I also wonder why this first time HC formula CLEARLY has not worked and I don't know why they keep banging that drum.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I don't buy that Woody wants the credit - I could buy that a new DC/OC is a little easier to control than an established coach but he clearly wanted Vrabel and I think he could have gotten him if NE didnt react like they did - thats what good franchises do when opportunity arises.
As for the DC coaches - a lot of it if I recall was circumstances - the years they were looking for HCs I dont recall a no brainer established HC out of work or a really good OC who they realistically had a shot to get. The problem with being a bottom dwelling team is no real established coach wants to roll the dice to go there - sans Parcells who was a NY guy.
Think about who the options were if not Glenn? The hot OCs wouldnt even return their calls -if they want to go that route they would have to go way outside the box and give an up and commer like McCown a shot. Maybe Monken, Brady -
one I have my eye on is Kingsbury - connection to Jets, offensive guy who developed Daniels - former HC experience - checks a lot of boxes. Was interviewed in 2019 but they chose Gase lol. I know he was fired in Az but noi former HC is coming without warts.
They really hoped AG/staff could go the vet route and Fields would have a turnaround ala Baker - doesnt look like it at this point - I really hope AG turns it around but if not and they land top 5 with a QB staring at them they need to consider a change.
As for the DC coaches - a lot of it if I recall was circumstances - the years they were looking for HCs I dont recall a no brainer established HC out of work or a really good OC who they realistically had a shot to get. The problem with being a bottom dwelling team is no real established coach wants to roll the dice to go there - sans Parcells who was a NY guy.
Think about who the options were if not Glenn? The hot OCs wouldnt even return their calls -if they want to go that route they would have to go way outside the box and give an up and commer like McCown a shot. Maybe Monken, Brady -
one I have my eye on is Kingsbury - connection to Jets, offensive guy who developed Daniels - former HC experience - checks a lot of boxes. Was interviewed in 2019 but they chose Gase lol. I know he was fired in Az but noi former HC is coming without warts.
They really hoped AG/staff could go the vet route and Fields would have a turnaround ala Baker - doesnt look like it at this point - I really hope AG turns it around but if not and they land top 5 with a QB staring at them they need to consider a change.
It kinda hurts watching y'all start loving Brownlee
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I feel you, man. Two organizations and owners that seem like they could really use some good fortune. I honestly never doubted your assessment. I tried to pick him up in IDP but for whatever reason a guy who happens to be behind me in record but leading the league in total points and also in all-play percentage (at the time and currently) bid the same minimum one-dollar bid and he got him due to priority. I nearly turned crimson.
This was two weeks ago, and he still has the overall points lead and the all-play but it gets amusing because I jumped a spot or three and now I’m in 2nd to him in total points by—get this—a pretty minuscule .53 points. Yes, a little over half a point in six weeks separates us, and the average weekly score is 221.72 points, so I’m not even sure how it’s that close.
What’s awful is that this is dynasty but we use current records and HE is last year’s champion by virtue of beating me in the finals with such a thorough ***-kicking of about 90-100 points that it nearly ruined Christmas week because I get having your priorities straight, but I’ve put enough time into my team to where that’s a funcrusher.
Ridiculous.
LOL.
Anyway, it’s probably tough for you to have to watch him and to see him on the Jets, especially if you value tougher guys in those parts of the field and lineup, and you thought he was one of the rare ones. I hate it for you. He seems to be all that and a bag of chips.
rockaction
Footballguy
Been four days and today and I haven't stopped being able to replay that game in my head. It's like some people see the Zapruder film.
Breece Hall was in our backfield on a fake punt and our long snapper, who has a distinct number for an offensive lineman (42), wasn't in the game. Payton ran up and down the sidelines with a clenched fist screaming. The whole staff knew.
I just looked for video to see if anybody commented about Glenn running (yes!) on to the field and to the center of it while bodies were unpiling from the previous play. What I found was that this might be a sort of trauma I suffered because in my search I found that a guy named Evan from "Evan and Tiki" on WFAN who said he was having "flashbacks" to the end of the first half as the week was going on.
It's weird. I just self-edited after I made a long analogy but I'm nuking it. Anyway, watching this has been like a group of people garnering world sympathy on the biggest stage to my personal disbelief, shock, anger, and in the end I've chosen to deal with it by adopting a detachment and depersonalization. It's sort of a fuming agreement with myself to deal with the flashbacks, but not prattle endlessly on about them—to calm down and generally keep the sentiments you have to yourself.
I'm failing my side of the bargain because I don't know what the other side is promising.
I hope your Thursdays are going well.
Breece Hall was in our backfield on a fake punt and our long snapper, who has a distinct number for an offensive lineman (42), wasn't in the game. Payton ran up and down the sidelines with a clenched fist screaming. The whole staff knew.
I just looked for video to see if anybody commented about Glenn running (yes!) on to the field and to the center of it while bodies were unpiling from the previous play. What I found was that this might be a sort of trauma I suffered because in my search I found that a guy named Evan from "Evan and Tiki" on WFAN who said he was having "flashbacks" to the end of the first half as the week was going on.
It's weird. I just self-edited after I made a long analogy but I'm nuking it. Anyway, watching this has been like a group of people garnering world sympathy on the biggest stage to my personal disbelief, shock, anger, and in the end I've chosen to deal with it by adopting a detachment and depersonalization. It's sort of a fuming agreement with myself to deal with the flashbacks, but not prattle endlessly on about them—to calm down and generally keep the sentiments you have to yourself.
I'm failing my side of the bargain because I don't know what the other side is promising.
I hope your Thursdays are going well.
Good luck catching him man that a frustrating experience last year.
I like Brownlee outside but he sure played well.
Now that ya see he's a dawg, thru n thru, I hope next is that it's infectious.
The Jets have had some good defenses lately but when I've watched, they're kinda flat this year. They could sure use a dawg imo.
Maybe Sauce says I can shut my man down and gets prideful. Maybe a LB with a nasty hit. Idk but I hope next it's infectious for y'all.
It also kills me at WR. We trot out old guys that are listless and I'm yelling at the TV to put someone in that will do something. Reynolds and Lazard are so boring. I liked both Smith's this summer. They had some spark to em.' I think I often liked the guy that was cut more than Arian. Not Brownlee related just..I think y'all could use some spark at WR too.
Now that ya see he's a dawg, thru n thru, I hope next is that it's infectious.
The Jets have had some good defenses lately but when I've watched, they're kinda flat this year. They could sure use a dawg imo.
Maybe Sauce says I can shut my man down and gets prideful. Maybe a LB with a nasty hit. Idk but I hope next it's infectious for y'all.
It also kills me at WR. We trot out old guys that are listless and I'm yelling at the TV to put someone in that will do something. Reynolds and Lazard are so boring. I liked both Smith's this summer. They had some spark to em.' I think I often liked the guy that was cut more than Arian. Not Brownlee related just..I think y'all could use some spark at WR too.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think being reasonably decently built and very quick or fast looks like spark. None of our receivers are reasonably built and fast or very quick. They're very thin and they don't move like other teams' receivers do. They look unimpressive. Garrett Wilson was mid for physicality both for his class and for all-time at Player Profiler. It's a function of height and weight, but still mid even if he runs a 4.38 forty.
I mean, for ****'s sake. Look at our practice squad. That's where you store the athletic freaks who haven't put it together yet, right? Longshots and oddballs.
Nope. There isn't one athletic measurement that can't be played off against a corresponding trait.
You know who is the only—and I mean even our 100 million dollar man—WR that is above average size and speed? I'll give you one guess. I don't even think he wears a Jets uniform when he plays for us on Sundays. Lazard. Kills it. Runs a 4'5" forty at 220 lbs. and 6'3". I mean the rest of these guys . . . Oof. just got tired. Will post later.
rockaction
Footballguy
This happened at this week's conference regarding the Denver game. The evidence keeps mounting daily, and it's never in favor of Glenn being capable of doing this job. Like, this specific one. The head coach of the Jets. In the NFL. Where you can be a leader of men who play pro football, for sure, but part of leading those men effectively means knowing some basic **** and having some basic skills to help you out. I was going to say a bunch of stuff, but you can't say anything for certain because the reporters who think they're vetting him or getting information out there are assuming way too much or are afraid to ****ing just ask the question everybody now wants to hear.
These reporters are gutless or stupid.
Reporter: "Where was the line for the field goal there, AG?"
AG: "Well, 35 for us. Yeah, 35. I mean, I know our guy, he he kicked a 60 uh 58 yard. That's that was his career long. So, man, if we can get to the 35, we felt like we were really good in that situation."
Reporter: "Was there any consideration there on where you guys were? or I think it would have been the 44."
AG: "Yeah, that's that's that's tough. Again, we just said his line was 35 and we're talking about nine yards back . . . "
Reporter: "but if his career long was was 58, which he did this year, 58 and I think we wa . . . "
AG: "58 and I think we was um I think was with the wind and all that. So, I just thought that was tough."
Here's the press conference right at the question for all of you.
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These reporters are gutless or stupid.
Reporter: "Where was the line for the field goal there, AG?"
AG: "Well, 35 for us. Yeah, 35. I mean, I know our guy, he he kicked a 60 uh 58 yard. That's that was his career long. So, man, if we can get to the 35, we felt like we were really good in that situation."
Reporter: "Was there any consideration there on where you guys were? or I think it would have been the 44."
AG: "Yeah, that's that's that's tough. Again, we just said his line was 35 and we're talking about nine yards back . . . "
Reporter: "but if his career long was was 58, which he did this year, 58 and I think we wa . . . "
AG: "58 and I think we was um I think was with the wind and all that. So, I just thought that was tough."
Here's the press conference right at the question for all of you.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Too soon to judge Arian Smith when the ball clangs off his hands in the fourth quarter in the end zone.
It's hard when you have a bad offensive line, one good WR that's hurt, and bad QBs.
So he held Coker to no catches right?
Here's Sauce all but calling him a dawg.
I swear I'd be fine with trading back for him
NYRAGE
Footballguy
So he held Coker to no catches right?
Here's Sauce all but calling him a dawg.
I swear I'd be fine with trading back for him
I declared him to be our mvp last week. This kid is good.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Since this is directed towards me I will respond before disappearing for good from this thread - congrats you've now earned true Sharkpool troll status, someone that doesn't bother to read what was actually said and rushes in for a "gotcha" moment with no relation to the context of the original conversation.
I'm sure you'll respond with a 11 paragraph thesis defending how you did nothing wrong. I won't bother to read it but knock yourself out. I think I still like you, so I'll do my best to not let this carry over into other threads and conversations but I'm really really disappointed in your ******** in this thread - you failed to even try and actually read what was said
Those that PMed me asking me to ignore rock and come back - sorry but this was this kind of ******** is why I don't bother with the Sharkpool anymore - this should be an oasis from that dreck but some people can't help themselves or back down from what they think was a challenge to one of their posts.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Well folks, throwing in the towel before the half two weeks in a row is inexcusable. I've never seen anything like it in my life of following this awful team. What a coaching debacle.
We can suck (and we do), but in NYC, not trying is a death sentence. At this point, I don't care about winning. What's the culture though??? That's 2 close games and you're saying, nah, we won't try to score at the half because something bad might happen? That's some chicken-s*** culture.
The offense was a disgrace. Both QBs suck. Multiple times players were open and passes were late, too short, or other.
At least the defense played well 2 games in a row. Kudos to to them. Not much else positive to say here.
We can suck (and we do), but in NYC, not trying is a death sentence. At this point, I don't care about winning. What's the culture though??? That's 2 close games and you're saying, nah, we won't try to score at the half because something bad might happen? That's some chicken-s*** culture.
The offense was a disgrace. Both QBs suck. Multiple times players were open and passes were late, too short, or other.
At least the defense played well 2 games in a row. Kudos to to them. Not much else positive to say here.
Chemical X
Footballguy
the line has a pair of 1s and tippmann a 2. myers was a 2 as well. is it that these guys are poorly coached or simply overdrafted/rated? AVT, who’s permadead was also a 1. if you are wasting all this capital, then you are surely doomed.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is you almost word-for-word saying "too soon" and not only that, but we can't because our quarterback stinks.
I don't want to drive you out of the Shark Pool and I posted because Garrett Wilson wasn't playing and that it was "too soon to judge" was, in a summarized way, what people were saying about Glenn and Mougey all over Twitter. I didn't think I'd stick it you in particular. Didn't occur to me until you said it today and I realized, yes, you did indeed say that.
Doc, I don't think I've ever been passive-aggressive on this board. When have you seen me misattribute or backbite or snark so I could plausibly deny it? I can't think of an instance where I've been misunderstood. I tend to clarify in no uncertain terms and language. If anyone, you've actually been the one that's been sore and passive-aggressive about this. You were asking me questions and then when I answered in detail got you got sore.
I hope you come back, but leaving and blaming it on me is another passive-aggressive move and I don't really abide stuff like that in any capacity. Take care, and I wish you well if you're not going to comment. I have no real issues with you.
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mphtrilogy
Footballguy
had a prior commitment and could only watch the last 4 minutes, that was plenty enough and should be the recommended viewing time until further notice.
Hard to care at this point, most of us Jet fans in the area have pivoted to The Knicks and the NHL..
hope they can at least lock down the first pick, but knowing this franchise that's a slim chance.
Hard to care at this point, most of us Jet fans in the area have pivoted to The Knicks and the NHL..
hope they can at least lock down the first pick, but knowing this franchise that's a slim chance.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Every time I think they hit rock bottom....
intimate gathering at the stadium yesterday - tend of thousands of empties as its the first game where the visitors didnt have a cult following.
2 awful teams - fans literally couldnt care less except to once in a while boo. This is going to be the worst season ever witnessed and thats saying something. The stadium will be literally empty for half the season with no one caring or talking about the team. They have no product - no entertainment - no identity or hope to hang on - nothing. I dont see how this regime survives.
Few observations
The defense - despite never making a big stop or turnover as usual - held them to under 2 Tds. That should be good enough to win and yet theyve lost back to back to it.
Offense - I dont understand how it could be so bad for so long - its clearly an offensive league yet theyve had putrid offenses for over a decade - I know the answer is HC and QB and theyve whiffed on both numerous times but at some point dont you just get lucky? Guess not -
QB - I get why they benched fields - he was brutal. But whatst the point of Tyord - the guy is ancient and has no future. If your going to bench Fields then go with Brady Cook - at least you may get some future of him as a backup or something. Tyrod is gone next yr.
Where would they be if they kept Aaron rodgers? I say maybe 2 games tops turn to wins - Im still not saying it was a mistake to release him. I just wish they took the cap hit this year if they were going to stink
HC - I liked AG - I wanted him once it was clear they couldnt get Vrable. Im a big advocate of giving a HC time - they gave Gase 2 yrs - but this is different. I still dont think they go winless but its possible. I cant see more than 2-3 wins and thats only because they play some bad teams down the stretch. AG has looked completely overmatched. Zero gameplans or adjustments. Combative with the media for no reason and then looks foolish - ie: stupid question to bench our QB - the does it in the next half! Taking a knee before 2 consecutive halfs without trying to score points - he looks scared and plays gutless. If they are going to have a defensive HC hire Rex - at least he'll leave it all on the field - this product is unwatchable and I dont think he survives and gets the chance to develop an obvious QB
GM - that WR room is malpractice - he should be fired for that alone.
future - where to go from here - its unbelievable that they need to slog through another 10+ games of this but here we are - this is Kotite level and they need to clean house of all the losers and start fresh. Im really not sure who is out there or possible on the offensive side - McCarthy? I like Kingsbury because he did it before - maybe Brady? I would not let this regime waste a year of development of a high QB pick.
Lastly - Im really not aware or do i pay attention to poster back and forth - but I will say Doc is one of the reasons Ive found this thread and enjoy it so much. Real Jet fans are few and far between - especially ones with good insights - hope you stick around or at least check in now and then to share the pain!
intimate gathering at the stadium yesterday - tend of thousands of empties as its the first game where the visitors didnt have a cult following.
2 awful teams - fans literally couldnt care less except to once in a while boo. This is going to be the worst season ever witnessed and thats saying something. The stadium will be literally empty for half the season with no one caring or talking about the team. They have no product - no entertainment - no identity or hope to hang on - nothing. I dont see how this regime survives.
Few observations
The defense - despite never making a big stop or turnover as usual - held them to under 2 Tds. That should be good enough to win and yet theyve lost back to back to it.
Offense - I dont understand how it could be so bad for so long - its clearly an offensive league yet theyve had putrid offenses for over a decade - I know the answer is HC and QB and theyve whiffed on both numerous times but at some point dont you just get lucky? Guess not -
QB - I get why they benched fields - he was brutal. But whatst the point of Tyord - the guy is ancient and has no future. If your going to bench Fields then go with Brady Cook - at least you may get some future of him as a backup or something. Tyrod is gone next yr.
Where would they be if they kept Aaron rodgers? I say maybe 2 games tops turn to wins - Im still not saying it was a mistake to release him. I just wish they took the cap hit this year if they were going to stink
HC - I liked AG - I wanted him once it was clear they couldnt get Vrable. Im a big advocate of giving a HC time - they gave Gase 2 yrs - but this is different. I still dont think they go winless but its possible. I cant see more than 2-3 wins and thats only because they play some bad teams down the stretch. AG has looked completely overmatched. Zero gameplans or adjustments. Combative with the media for no reason and then looks foolish - ie: stupid question to bench our QB - the does it in the next half! Taking a knee before 2 consecutive halfs without trying to score points - he looks scared and plays gutless. If they are going to have a defensive HC hire Rex - at least he'll leave it all on the field - this product is unwatchable and I dont think he survives and gets the chance to develop an obvious QB
GM - that WR room is malpractice - he should be fired for that alone.
future - where to go from here - its unbelievable that they need to slog through another 10+ games of this but here we are - this is Kotite level and they need to clean house of all the losers and start fresh. Im really not sure who is out there or possible on the offensive side - McCarthy? I like Kingsbury because he did it before - maybe Brady? I would not let this regime waste a year of development of a high QB pick.
Lastly - Im really not aware or do i pay attention to poster back and forth - but I will say Doc is one of the reasons Ive found this thread and enjoy it so much. Real Jet fans are few and far between - especially ones with good insights - hope you stick around or at least check in now and then to share the pain!
zamboni
Footballguy
We all know how this is going to end. They'll back their way into a few wins and wind up losing the top pick like they did with Trevor Lawrence. Although as it turns out, maybe that was effectively a wash considering Trevor would have been even worse than he's become with the Jags.
Idk Cook other than this summer.
I'm sorry to bring him up again but Martinez is your guy. I say this with total familiarity with a junk offense which so many aren't doing their job that you don't know how to evaluate this guy or that guy. Is it the missed block? The bad route?
I was dead on right with Fields prediction because of his history and I feel like I've seen it 1000 times. The NFL does not put anywhere near enough emphasis on leadership at the QB position and way too much on athleticism.
Martinez stunk in Lions camp and took to Dan Campbell and Johnson and others and went back to Nebraska to learn and work with his old coach. He ate so much crow before becoming the UFL MVP and he was a coach on the field. The way he would get on someone and soon be smiling. It was obvious. He barked order into that UFL team and that had Campbell say how proud he was. He wasn't even on the Lions then.
I know disorganized offense and players not doing their jobs and is there any order and do you even know what the play is and...I empathize. I know that God awful miserable view on Sunday.
Martinez can absolutely stink against an NFL defense. Glenn knows how he's built and coached with it for years. They can evaluate. They can even get a different QB next year but OMG would order be so welcome to that offense right now. I'm telling ya. I know your pain. The Jets need that field general. It's different coming from a guy that stunk and worked hard and overcame. Players listen to him. Orderly should not be a goal- I know this too well- but I swear I'd have given my left nut if some of my bab Titans teams could finally have some order.
Supposing they won't bring him back. Sometimes it's we already had that guy, sometimes teams do bring players back.
That needs to be Cook's only job. Who cares if he can even complete a darn pass. Get the guys in line. That's a darn mess
sheerterror
Footballguy
The fact that you're still showing up........this team doesn't deserve fans like you.
Also, I'm beginning to question your sanity.
sheerterror
Footballguy
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rockaction
Footballguy
NYRAGE
Footballguy
The problem with AG is his actions don't match his words.
From trying to win now to never mind, it's a process and we're trying to build a culture, to Justin is our guy, to that's stupid that you ask me about benching Justin because he is our guy, to benching Fields.
You're trying to develop players, but then you cut/send down better prospects and keep guys like Gipson.
You want to hold players accountable for their mistakes, so you keep playing Clemons after he takes dumb penalties. You cut the returner hat fumbled only to bring him back again.
You say that you're playing to win, but then go fetal at the half two weeks in a row. WTF. Plenty of time to drive the field. So I guess we're only trying if we get 6 minutes to score? It's the most embarrassing thing I have witnessed with this team on a long list of embarrassments.
And if you're trying to win, how do you go into the season with these WRs and Safeties, especially with room on the salary cap.
Regarding Rodgers, I really hate when people in general bring up making the mistake of not bringing him back . It's fine for Pittsburgh to try it. They are a contending team of sorts. Us? It never made sense. What are we supposed to do, bring him back for 3 more years? Ridiculous.
Our best course of action was to lose this year and lose a lot in order to be able to draft a QB. Yet, not this way. Coach looks way over his head. Not trying to score is inexcusable. Yet, he's going nowhere. People are starting to talk about potential coaches, but I don't see any way Woody fires "Mr. Jet" after only one season.
It's funny, but SI published a story last week comparing us to the Lions. Now a different writer today wrote how we are nothing like the Lions and for people to stop comparing the Jets to them. Lol, how the tables have turned.
rockaction
Footballguy
I broke down our entire conversation but nobody needs it. Nobody cares, really. I don't care.
The bolded is not what's going on. Nobody needs context to understand your argument. The following quote is what you argued and you said as much at the end. This is it. The subject was Arian Smith and Darren Mougey's drafting of and you said this. These are your words. They don't need context:
I can assure you and everybody else that you said nothing more than what you claimed you did right here. You only said like six lines. You volunteered this about my OP (I didn't ask what you thought of my post). This is your first response:
And then when I rebutted your point and said it wasn't solely about driving content because the Tweeter was a fan, you said:
And then I rebutted again aand asked you a question you didn't care to answer so you said:
And I said "you really didn't" answer my question in response to whether you'd "responded to this already" to which you said:
Then you read my post again and said:
You had been slightly terse, rude, and at this point the ghost is given up. I'm not sure why, but now you're apoplectic. That's your entire end of the conversation. Right there en toto.
You either didn't understand what I was asking you or you didn't want to address it. It's your right to not to do that. But to say I was being insulting when the quotes above are the entirety of how you responded to each earnest point I was making doesn't sit well with me.
And your last post, which was Monday? Listen to yourself and what you're saying.
Doc, you claim that I "failed to even try and actually read what was said"? I read it, man. I understood it perfectly. I read every word. You didn't say over 750 words (I think) and you made one point which had two prongs. It was crystal clear that I understood you and that I had read it. Look at me rebutting you. I knew what you were saying. I just reprinted your entire end of the conversation (every single word!) in this post. It took me a grand total of maybe three minutes to read and understand your point. Look at your own quote. "I was making one point (too early to say) and didn't want to go beyond that." What on earth did I miss in your point and what context does the reader need? Tell me.
And the second paragraph is weird and inappropriate. I suppose it's nice that people PM'ed you and don't want you to leave. I don't want you to leave. But I wasn't one bit rude to you during that conversation before you were curt three or four times, and even then I was put off but not completely rude to you. So in this second paragraph you're announcing publicly that my end of the exchange is a microcosm of what's wrong with the SP?
That beggars belief.
Dude, you're telling the people who PM'ed you this publicly to achieve what goal? Just to let them know? A personalized response to them would not suffice, but broadcasting it like you had a fan club would? It's bizarrely performative. Was it to imply something about me? Shame me and show me how I erred and what it cost the people? I don't know. Did you broadcast your goodbyes because you think somebody will silence you if you don't? Did you do it for an ease of response like it was a word processor mail merge?
Don't get this twisted, Doc. i'm writing as a friendly acquaintance, but I don't care to deal with this. Your grasp of reality seems to be an issue. Our conversation is public record. I invite the reader to read it. Page 43. Doc, maybe you need to refresh your memory about what happened. It starts right at the box and link below. I'll tell you what. Go read it before you're curt or nasty to me again and see if you don't look at it a little differently. Check it out.
I spent a whole lot of time, effort, restraint and caution crafting this response. I'd ask respectfully that you take a second look at what was said with a clarity that I can only hope for you. I know my last response in the conversation string isn't perfect, but it's not bad and not even curt in response. Really take a look at the whole thing. Godspeed, man.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
@rockaction this is where I “basically answered your question as to whether he was a better pick than Horton or Ayomar” so if you went back and read like I asked you would have seen I did basically answered your question - and I clearly said I wanted to rest on that and didn’t want to go back and forth but lately you seem incapable of respecting that wish.
And I called the fact that you would use a lot of words to fake outrage that you did anything wrong.
I gave you the respect of responding to you one last time since you once again somehow missed it, and I only came back to respond originally when you tried to punk me with your out of context “gotcha” statement about “too early”.
Sometimes it’s ok to say “my bad, I’m sorry”. Recently you seem incapable of that, which makes me sad because I always liked you and defended you but that’s getting extremely difficult with the way you’ve been acting.
I’m moving on from this thread - I’m sorry for extending this back and forth (which was the one thing I didn’t want to do in the first place).
Good luck everyone.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Dude, you still don't understand that I got exactly what you were saying.
You were the one who asked about "Horton and Ayomar," as you just spelled his name (you can't even spell it). You just ****ed this up so badly you don't know who was asking who .You're clueless and wrong.
You asked me this on Sept. 30. Swear to God. You're the one who asked this. Are you kidding? You didn't go back and read the conversation. You're really that pompous. Holy cow.
Sept. 30, in return, I answer that question, and then after the answer
I ask you a question in return. Sept. 30
Sept. 30, your response
Today what you thought I asked you back then
You didn't go back and read it.
You still don't understand what I was asking. You have no clue how rude you were or how dismissive you were and now you're doing it again. Dude, I get why you're twice-divorced. You are something else. You think I asked you the question that you asked me. You still don't know, dude. You just think you're right. That takes my breath away.
ON SAYING SORRY OR APOLOGIZING ABOUT THINGS EITHER I DID WRONG OR WERE MISUNDERSTOOD. QUITE A FEW TIMES, ACTUALLY. TWO OF THESE ARE AUGUST 2025.
I appreciate any kind words you said about me. I've returned the favor and I hope we can just ignore each other amicably. I don't think very highly of you anymore. At all.
Dude, here you go. When appropriate. Is August recently enough? August, September, October. That' two months ago. There are a bunch of them. You'd think you would do a quick search before you concluded anything about anybody. I would think you'd do a search before you made a sweeping judgment about things I do and don't do.
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Actually, the list goes on. It keeps going on. You can't be serious or curious or anything. Okay, bud.
I'm just not apologizing to you because, well, I have a lot of things to say but I'll use discretion.
You were the one who asked about "Horton and Ayomar," as you just spelled his name (you can't even spell it). You just ****ed this up so badly you don't know who was asking who .You're clueless and wrong.
You asked me this on Sept. 30. Swear to God. You're the one who asked this. Are you kidding? You didn't go back and read the conversation. You're really that pompous. Holy cow.
Sept. 30, in return, I answer that question, and then after the answer
I ask you a question in return. Sept. 30
Sept. 30, your response
Today what you thought I asked you back then
You didn't go back and read it.
You still don't understand what I was asking. You have no clue how rude you were or how dismissive you were and now you're doing it again. Dude, I get why you're twice-divorced. You are something else. You think I asked you the question that you asked me. You still don't know, dude. You just think you're right. That takes my breath away.
ON SAYING SORRY OR APOLOGIZING ABOUT THINGS EITHER I DID WRONG OR WERE MISUNDERSTOOD. QUITE A FEW TIMES, ACTUALLY. TWO OF THESE ARE AUGUST 2025.
I appreciate any kind words you said about me. I've returned the favor and I hope we can just ignore each other amicably. I don't think very highly of you anymore. At all.
Dude, here you go. When appropriate. Is August recently enough? August, September, October. That' two months ago. There are a bunch of them. You'd think you would do a quick search before you concluded anything about anybody. I would think you'd do a search before you made a sweeping judgment about things I do and don't do.
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Actually, the list goes on. It keeps going on. You can't be serious or curious or anything. Okay, bud.
I'm just not apologizing to you because, well, I have a lot of things to say but I'll use discretion.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I get people might not dig reading that. That sort of was breathtaking to me. I know this might not be the place, but I read his completely out-of-place post last night and it was substantively inaccurate, unfeeling, and an attempt at being cruel without knowing what one is talking about. It was also really ****ing weird.
I'm introspective enough to know most of the time when I've done wrong and I seek to make amends. Constantly. I am nowhere near perfect at any of it. But I was pleading with him to read our conversation and he didn't give a **** and doubled down on attempts at insult, judgment, and cruelty. He then posted triumphantly and got the basic substantive elements of it completely wrong. He didn't check ****.
I lost all respect for him. I'm not stunned, but I am disheartened. That was all pretty ****ty on his part.
LOL. Be miserable, Doc. Be alone with your blues.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This is NOT true - but carry on.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, I'm sorry. Once-divorced? I don't know. I honestly do not care. You've been so stunningly wrong and inappropriate in this thread that it's breathtaking. This looks like unintentional jaywalking in comparison. I had no intention of lying. It doesn't matter. You're still completely miserable. Have you read how wrong you are yet?
I'm not even hurt; you're just foul, dude. Enjoy your life. And it's probably best if your dour personality doesn't interact with me. I don't know, man.
eta* Peace and good will. I'm shuked.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Agreed - its like when my wife and I fight because we are frustrated at our jobs or kids lol - lets put the blame where it belongs - the awful team we root for and the morons who run it!
I literally ignore any back and forth like this and its served me well as Ive been on these boards since the dawn. Jet fans are few and far between and we can't spare any of us! Hopefully take a bye week and lets return to more discussions on tanking, draft picks, yet another regime - you know the stuff most teams look forward to before Halloween!