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Is Amari Cooper droppable? (1 Viewer)

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I know that sounds crazy, and it would especially hurt as I targeted him in several drafts. He's a great route-runner, but he's also the league leader in drops by a good margin. His last two games he's been under a point (non-PPR, not that it really matters), and now with Carr out for 2-6 weeks things are not likely to improve. I know it seems smarter to hang on to him until he turns things around, but I'm not confident that even if that happens that he'd be more valuable than a WW WR like Fuller or Funchess.

 
I have a hard time thinking that the guy forgot how to play, so I think you hold him for now.  The best receivers go through bad stretches and this has been a really bad 3 game stretch, but I think he will be fine.  Obviously with Carr out, he probably should be on the bench for now, but a hold for me. 

I always thought he was over drafted by a round or so, putting him more in the high end #2 area vs the mid #1 area he is drafted in so he didn't end up on any of my teams.  I thought I bought him low a couple weeks ago, but apparently, not low enough. 

 
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He's droppable if you like watching a guy you dropped dominate later in the season.  The whole offense has been bad.  

A lot changes during the course of a football season. 

 
Did anyone draft Hopkins in the late first / early second last year? Then hang onto him all year while going through a personal worst FF season of the last 25 years (>100 league seasons total, 11th place.)

No? Just me?

Sure, hang onto him. Maybe it gets better.

 
You won’t get anything of value, at least not for the next 2-6 weeks or longer. So your choices are take the pain & leave him on the bench until mid-November. Or cut bait.

Whether you got him mid-second or early-third,  it’s a sunk cost. What you paid isn’t going to change. It won’t be recovered by a bad trade. Whether that’s a sell low trade with a league mate or swapping him out for Kupp or Jaron Brown, you’re not changing the price you already paid.

Very few humans understand sunk cost. 

The Sunk Cost Fallacy. The Misconception: You make rational decisions based on the future value of objects, investments and experiences. The Truth: Your decisions are tainted by the emotional investments you accumulate, and the more you invest in something the harder it becomes to abandon it.

 
BobbyLayne said:
You won’t get anything of value, at least not for the next 2-6 weeks or longer. So your choices are take the pain & leave him on the bench until mid-November. Or cut bait.

Whether you got him mid-second or early-third,  it’s a sunk cost. What you paid isn’t going to change. It won’t be recovered by a bad trade. Whether that’s a sell low trade with a league mate or swapping him out for Kupp or Jaron Brown, you’re not changing the price you already paid.

Very few humans understand sunk cost. 

The Sunk Cost Fallacy. The Misconception: You make rational decisions based on the future value of objects, investments and experiences. The Truth: Your decisions are tainted by the emotional investments you accumulate, and the more you invest in something the harder it becomes to abandon it.
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Save us the lecture on sunk cost. No one is holding because he was a 2nd round pick, they are holding because he has a much better history of production than Robby Anderson or Devin Funchess or whoever you wuold drop him for.

This assumes that he is worthless until Carr comes back. Did you have the same attitude about Diggs without Bradford after week 2? Cooper isn't playing well, but the whole offense got shutdown by two good defenses. Do you expect the whole offense to look this bad all year?

 
BobbyLayne said:
Did anyone draft Hopkins in the late first / early second last year? Then hang onto him all year while going through a personal worst FF season of the last 25 years (>100 league seasons total, 11th place.)

No? Just me?

Sure, hang onto him. Maybe it gets better.
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Me. That was awful. Good matchups, more targets, high ranking  - didn't matter.  Differences are that Cooper has a history with his QB and his QB is good/very good.  I empathize with anyone who has to deal with this headache.  Rest assured that when you bench/cut him, he will blow up. 

 
Obviously not. Think Golden Tate from last year. He was abysmal to start and people dropped him. That was a mistake

 
BobbyLayne said:
Did anyone draft Hopkins in the late first / early second last year? Then hang onto him all year while going through a personal worst FF season of the last 25 years (>100 league seasons total, 11th place.)

No? Just me?

Sure, hang onto him. Maybe it gets better.
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If you started Hopkins through the entire year last year, quite frankly, that is your fault. 

Cooper should certainly go to the bench at this point, but a flat drop would be premature for a player of his pedigree/upside. If we get to week 10 and nothing has changed, that’s a different story. 

 
Skeletore Eh said:
If you started Hopkins through the entire year last year, quite frankly, that is your fault. 
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Pretty sure I wrote I hung onto him alll year, not that I rolled him out relentlessly. Draft busts happen but it doesn’t help your cause to keep repeating the same error every week. Especially while Carr is out, Cooper should not be in your lineup (quite a few had him on their bench last weekend.) But If Carr gets healthy in 2-6, def reason to think this situation gets better. Not a great comp to DeAndre because Amari does have a better QB.

 
An owner in one league posted a notice to all that Coop's for sale for a pair of old socks. He did this during the Raiders game, I suspect when Carr went out. - He's doing it. I don't blame him and I'm curious what he'll get. I'm a real cheapo, I'm set at WR & so I won't insult him with a backup RB offer, but what I think would be fair is a player he needs at another position who is also in a slump, so that we'd each be taking a chance in a Buy Low, not sure who that'd be though.

 
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In redraft though it is kind of liberating, especially if you're 0-4. Just let it go, go scorched earth, cut and burn almost the whole roster for a bunch of 1 week wonders who might stick, and see the league scramble. It's playoffs or bust IMO.

 
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I'm thinking about trading for him. He is getting the targets. 

Might try to trade terrelle Pryor for him

 
I'm assuming this is in redraft, if so I could see dropping him if you have very short benches. But if you can hold 5+ then he has more upside than WW pickups.

That said, he's probably going to suck until 3-4 weeks from now.

 
The answer all depends on your other WRs and what's on your league's WW. I'm in three leagues and have one share of Cooper and I'm holding. Why? WR is my weakest position on that team and the WW currently has squat. 

 
Since week 8 last year in a span of 12 games, he has not topped 76 yards.  Thats pathetic.  Unfortunately, the time to trade him for good value is probably passed.  I'd still exit if I got a reasonable offer.  3 bad games in a row is a concern.  12 in a row is panic time in my world.  This is officially a trend.  I am thinking that he is the Trent Richardson of WR, and if I still had any shares in him, I would be looking to dump.  Not drop outright because as you can see from this thread, there are still people willing to pay for him.  But I would rid my team of that stench if I still had to smell it.

If he winds up turning it around, so be it and good for my trade partner.  I will let them take that chance.  12 in a row is enough for me.

 
Nope. Just leave him on your bench. The situation is as bad as it gets with current start and loss of Carr, but he has to be a hold based on talent alone. 

 
It's a mortal lock that A. Cooper gets in the end zone this week with Manuel throwing the ball...while on everyone's bench.

The frustration grows.

In one league where I own him I want to see signs of life. On the other hand, in league's where I don't own him I want zippo so I can buy low.

 
kyoun1e said:
It's a mortal lock that A. Cooper gets in the end zone this week with Manuel throwing the ball...while on everyone's bench.

The frustration grows.

In one league where I own him I want to see signs of life. On the other hand, in league's where I don't own him I want zippo so I can buy low.
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This is why it's best to only play in one league

 
Tried to acquire him in PPR dynasty, hoping his performances would lead the owner to sell.

Offered Crabtree + 2018 1st. Instantly rejected.

 
I thought Cooper was a great buy low candidate, but after reading this thread it sounds like most people think he's worthless.     

Just for reference, I'm in a PPR league and I offered an 0-4 team Tarik Cohen for Cooper and was countered with Cooper and John Brown (or Allen Hurns) for Lamar Miller and Martavis Bryant.   The payoff could be big, but I just don't think the risk is worth it.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Tried to acquire him in PPR dynasty, hoping his performances would lead the owner to sell.

Offered Crabtree + 2018 1st. Instantly rejected.
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I had both Cooper and Crab in a contract league. Traded Cooper with 2yrs for Dez with 1yr. Crabtree is clearly the #1 on Oakland, and that won't change if Cooper keeps dropping easy passes. F Cooper. I've had enough.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Did anyone draft Hopkins in the late first / early second last year? Then hang onto him all year while going through a personal worst FF season of the last 25 years (>100 league seasons total, 11th place.)

No? Just me?

Sure, hang onto him. Maybe it gets better.
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I traded Hopkins for Jordan Howard last season, and then rode Howard in to the playoffs.

Find an owner who is desperate for WR help. They will feel like they are getting a commodity. Get something you need in return, who maybe doesn't have history on their side yet. There's always a deal to be made. Don't toss away an asset.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Tried to acquire him in PPR dynasty, hoping his performances would lead the owner to sell.

Offered Crabtree + 2018 1st. Instantly rejected.
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Wow. I'd take. 2018 1st alone for Cooper, 

 
Ha in a redraft league I offered either Ty Montgomery or David Martin for cooper straight up and was rejected. Guy has no RBs too and is 0-4. I mean seriously? Shows that his value has not yet bottomed out...

 
For redraft purposes, I don't really see the buy low angle. What's the end game?

Are you going to start him so as not to miss the breakout game? If so, how many more stinkers will you suffer through first?

Or if you bench him till he has a breakout, are you going to feel comfortable starting him after that?

I kinda think the answer is "no" to both questions.

 
davearm said:
For redraft purposes, I don't really see the buy low angle. What's the end game?

Are you going to start him so as not to miss the breakout game? If so, how many more stinkers will you suffer through first?

Or if you bench him till he has a breakout, are you going to feel comfortable starting him after that?

I kinda think the answer is "no" to both questions.
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I could use a WR and I do think he rebounds when healthy and when Carr returns in a week or two. 

 
kutta said:
Wow. I'd take. 2018 1st alone for Cooper, 
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I thought Id "sweeten the deal", as I am deep at WR and can afford to part with Crabs, for longterm success.

Instantly rejected. Instant. I was actuallly shocked.

davearm said:
For redraft purposes, I don't really see the buy low angle. What's the end game?

Are you going to start him so as not to miss the breakout game? If so, how many more stinkers will you suffer through first?

Or if you bench him till he has a breakout, are you going to feel comfortable starting him after that?

I kinda think the answer is "no" to both questions.
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As mentioned... I'm deep. And I've watched enough of Cooper from college onwards, to know the man is a stud. 

I'm confident of that. Piss poor 4 games or not.

 
Soulfly3 said:
I thought Id "sweeten the deal", as I am deep at WR and can afford to part with Crabs, for longterm success.

Instantly rejected. Instant. I was actuallly shocked.

As mentioned... I'm deep. And I've watched enough of Cooper from college onwards, to know the man is a stud. 

I'm confident of that. Piss poor 4  12 straight games or not.
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