Is Arian Foster a top 10 dynasty RB? (1 Viewer)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Hindsight is 20/20 riddle me this why did they grab Ben Tate if they loved what they had in Foster.

Nice try, but easily rebutted. Why does any team draft a talented player when they already have a talented player at that position? Because that's the founding principal of drafting and dynasty building for every single team in the NFL.

Right so he is no threat to Foster in the future? who knows.

 

[FFdork]

You know, I'm changing my vote. Personally I'd still take at least 3 guys ahead of him, but if he doesn't stumble down the stretch I think he will be perceived as a top 5 dynasty back...and that perception is as likely to be the reality as it is for anyone else not named Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson.

 

[Steed]

They didn't know what they had in Foster at the time. It would have been foolhardy to head into the season with a player as unproven as Foster as the starter. He was a fumbler at the time too.

 

[Herm23]

Hindsight is 20/20 riddle me this why did they grab Ben Tate if they loved what they had in Foster.

Nice try, but easily rebutted. Why does any team draft a talented player when they already have a talented player at that position? Because that's the founding principal of drafting and dynasty building for every single team in the NFL.

Right so he is no threat to Foster in the future? who knows.

I have never understood the "but if they loved what they had in Foster, why did they draft Ben Tate" argument.Foster had such a tiny sample size last season that I doubt even the Texans quite knew what they had. The Texans are a team that is on the bubble of contending and given how much of a train wreck their running game was last season, wouldn't it make sense to try and shore that up? Without any proven talent on the roster going into the draft, it was an obvious position of need.The Texans decision to draft Ben Tate had great merit in the Foster debate before this season started, but since game 1 has been an absolute moot point. Foster has simply played Ben Tate into being a complete afterthought and the Texans decision to draft him last season...before Foster really had shown what he is capable of...has no place in the discussion of Foster's long term viability. You can argue that you think Tate will eat into his production next year, you can even argue that you think Tate is a better player and will take the job. However, arguing that the Texans decision to draft Tate is somehow a negative on Foster is simpy silly at this point.

 

[jackdubl]

I love all these Jonathan Stewart comparisons. People will never get off his bandwagon, I guess. I remember in the preseason how many were saying they'd much rather have Stewart than Jamaal Charles, because all that talent and potential. I like what Jon Gruden says, "Potential just means you haven't done it yet. This roster is full of guys with potential. Again, potential just means you haven't done it yet." Sure, Stewart has done some things, but he's yet to become that RB1 that people tout him as year after year. And now after all this waiting, finally when Deangelo MIGHT not be there next season, guess what? They have no O-line, no QB, and no coach. That great oppurtunity is gone and now he puts up sub-pedestrian numbers when he should be a top 5 play based on matchup.

The Steve Slaton comparisons are also pretty poor. You do all remember that Slaton lost his job for fumbling, right? Yes, most thought he'd be a stud. But the fact is he was putting up pretty good fantasy numbers before he lost his job and no one ever considers, "Well, he's pretty good, but there's always a chance he could fumble so much that his carries go from 20/game to 0/game."

Houston was evaluating Foster in the offseason, and actually made changes to their blocking schemes to tailor their run blocking to Foster's talents. I'd say the team has some sort of faith in you when their willing to change their schemes to suit you. Probably also means they see you as a long-term piece of the pie. Slaton was good when he was in. But Foster dominates games. You don't want to start up your dynasty team with an aging star whose on the decline, like MJD. RBs have only a very short time as uberstuds. I might take Foster over Peterson in a dynasty startup.

To be fair, MJD is still only 25, about 1 year and 5 months older than Foster. So, he is a bit older, and does have a heavier workload to this point in his career (but in general his workload is still not that heavy). But he is hardly what would constitute "an again star". It's possible he hasn't even reached his prime yet. Yes, he's having a down year, but he is still on pace for very solid numbers in spite of that (TD's are obviously way down, but we all TD's are very volatile).

MJD is definitely IN his prime right now. You're seeing it. For an RB, that's about 25. It's usually downhill from there. Not because of age, but because of toll. MJD has also suffered from nagging injuries over the years, nothing major or that kept him out, but he already doesn't look as explosive as his first three years. Those injuries slow you down over time, especially if you play with the injuries(as MJD does), and an RB can't slow down very much before he's not as good as the next up-and-comer. MJD may be roughly the same age as Foster, but he is WAY older in football years. Even AP isn't the pure explosion he was as a rookie. He can still break it against any defense, but those first two years he was lightning. His heavy workload has already slowed him some.Not that MJD isn't going to be a stud over the next few years. But it's very possible he won't be considered a top 5 back again. It's not all his fault, his team sucks, but those are the grapes.

 

[thatguy]

I love all these Jonathan Stewart comparisons. People will never get off his bandwagon, I guess. I remember in the preseason how many were saying they'd much rather have Stewart than Jamaal Charles, because all that talent and potential. I like what Jon Gruden says, "Potential just means you haven't done it yet. This roster is full of guys with potential. Again, potential just means you haven't done it yet." Sure, Stewart has done some things, but he's yet to become that RB1 that people tout him as year after year. And now after all this waiting, finally when Deangelo MIGHT not be there next season, guess what? They have no O-line, no QB, and no coach. That great oppurtunity is gone and now he puts up sub-pedestrian numbers when he should be a top 5 play based on matchup.

The Steve Slaton comparisons are also pretty poor. You do all remember that Slaton lost his job for fumbling, right? Yes, most thought he'd be a stud. But the fact is he was putting up pretty good fantasy numbers before he lost his job and no one ever considers, "Well, he's pretty good, but there's always a chance he could fumble so much that his carries go from 20/game to 0/game."

Houston was evaluating Foster in the offseason, and actually made changes to their blocking schemes to tailor their run blocking to Foster's talents. I'd say the team has some sort of faith in you when their willing to change their schemes to suit you. Probably also means they see you as a long-term piece of the pie. Slaton was good when he was in. But Foster dominates games. You don't want to start up your dynasty team with an aging star whose on the decline, like MJD. RBs have only a very short time as uberstuds. I might take Foster over Peterson in a dynasty startup.

To be fair, MJD is still only 25, about 1 year and 5 months older than Foster. So, he is a bit older, and does have a heavier workload to this point in his career (but in general his workload is still not that heavy). But he is hardly what would constitute "an again star". It's possible he hasn't even reached his prime yet. Yes, he's having a down year, but he is still on pace for very solid numbers in spite of that (TD's are obviously way down, but we all TD's are very volatile).

MJD is definitely IN his prime right now. You're seeing it. For an RB, that's about 25. It's usually downhill from there. Not because of age, but because of toll. MJD has also suffered from nagging injuries over the years, nothing major or that kept him out, but he already doesn't look as explosive as his first three years. Those injuries slow you down over time, especially if you play with the injuries(as MJD does), and an RB can't slow down very much before he's not as good as the next up-and-comer. MJD may be roughly the same age as Foster, but he is WAY older in football years. Even AP isn't the pure explosion he was as a rookie. He can still break it against any defense, but those first two years he was lightning. His heavy workload has already slowed him some.Not that MJD isn't going to be a stud over the next few years. But it's very possible he won't be considered a top 5 back again. It's not all his fault, his team sucks, but those are the grapes.

How do you know? Was LT better in 2004, at the age of 25, or in 2006, at the age of 27? I said it's possible that MJD hasn't reached his prime yet, and it is. It sounds to me like you're actually suggesting he's past his prime, rather than in his prime, as was your initial claim. The bottom line is neither of us know, but then, I don't claim to know.

 

[We Tigers]

Hindsight is 20/20 riddle me this why did they grab Ben Tate if they loved what they had in Foster.

Nice try, but easily rebutted. Why does any team draft a talented player when they already have a talented player at that position? Because that's the founding principal of drafting and dynasty building for every single team in the NFL.

Right so he is no threat to Foster in the future? who knows.

Foster has almost 1200 yards and 10 TDs in half a season's work. Even if he doesn't quite double those numbers down the stretch, how many instances can you find of a back who produces some ridiculous numbers like 2000 total yards and 15-18 TDs not continuing to be a big-time feature back for his team the next season? Obviously, injuries, trades, and free agency don't count. Tate will have Jonathan-Stewart-on-Carolina upside at best unless Foster gets run over by a truck.

 

[mr roboto]

Hindsight is 20/20 riddle me this why did they grab Ben Tate if they loved what they had in Foster.

Nice try, but easily rebutted. Why does any team draft a talented player when they already have a talented player at that position? Because that's the founding principal of drafting and dynasty building for every single team in the NFL.

Right so he is no threat to Foster in the future? who knows.

Foster has almost 1200 yards and 10 TDs in half a season's work. Even if he doesn't quite double those numbers down the stretch, how many instances can you find of a back who produces some ridiculous numbers like 2000 total yards and 15-18 TDs not continuing to be a big-time feature back for his team the next season? Obviously, injuries, trades, and free agency don't count. Tate will have Jonathan-Stewart-on-Carolina upside at best unless Foster gets run over by a truck.

This.He entered the season as the clear-cut starter. He has done NOTHING to make them regret that decision, and in fact, has blown people's expectations out of the water.Tate is a concern ONLY if Foster gets injured or decides to revert back to 'Fumblin Foster' which was his nickname at Tennessee IIRC. Why worry about a back who has yet to play a meaningful snap at the pro level when the guy who is starting is stastically the best RB in the league?And to the future argument, how did DeAngelo Williams play with Stewart on his heels? Remember 2008? And in '09 he was great when healthy. The RB's in the NFL have high turnover, and no one knows what will happen to anyone next year (including ADP and CJ2K). So you base it on production and injury history. He's pretty much proven both of these.Let's not overthink this. He's a stud.

 

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I have been starting to think about this as I have the very fortunate "problem" of trying to decide who to hold onto in a "Keep 1" $250/16-Team league next year:

Round 5: Chris Johnson

Round 10: Arian Foster

Should be interesting. Going to have a lot of tough thinking to do down the stretch. Thankfully we don't announce until 2 weeks before draft day and Foster's role should clear up a bit by then.

 

[jackdubl]

I love all these Jonathan Stewart comparisons. People will never get off his bandwagon, I guess. I remember in the preseason how many were saying they'd much rather have Stewart than Jamaal Charles, because all that talent and potential. I like what Jon Gruden says, "Potential just means you haven't done it yet. This roster is full of guys with potential. Again, potential just means you haven't done it yet." Sure, Stewart has done some things, but he's yet to become that RB1 that people tout him as year after year. And now after all this waiting, finally when Deangelo MIGHT not be there next season, guess what? They have no O-line, no QB, and no coach. That great oppurtunity is gone and now he puts up sub-pedestrian numbers when he should be a top 5 play based on matchup.

The Steve Slaton comparisons are also pretty poor. You do all remember that Slaton lost his job for fumbling, right? Yes, most thought he'd be a stud. But the fact is he was putting up pretty good fantasy numbers before he lost his job and no one ever considers, "Well, he's pretty good, but there's always a chance he could fumble so much that his carries go from 20/game to 0/game."

Houston was evaluating Foster in the offseason, and actually made changes to their blocking schemes to tailor their run blocking to Foster's talents. I'd say the team has some sort of faith in you when their willing to change their schemes to suit you. Probably also means they see you as a long-term piece of the pie. Slaton was good when he was in. But Foster dominates games. You don't want to start up your dynasty team with an aging star whose on the decline, like MJD. RBs have only a very short time as uberstuds. I might take Foster over Peterson in a dynasty startup.

To be fair, MJD is still only 25, about 1 year and 5 months older than Foster. So, he is a bit older, and does have a heavier workload to this point in his career (but in general his workload is still not that heavy). But he is hardly what would constitute "an again star". It's possible he hasn't even reached his prime yet. Yes, he's having a down year, but he is still on pace for very solid numbers in spite of that (TD's are obviously way down, but we all TD's are very volatile).

MJD is definitely IN his prime right now. You're seeing it. For an RB, that's about 25. It's usually downhill from there. Not because of age, but because of toll. MJD has also suffered from nagging injuries over the years, nothing major or that kept him out, but he already doesn't look as explosive as his first three years. Those injuries slow you down over time, especially if you play with the injuries(as MJD does), and an RB can't slow down very much before he's not as good as the next up-and-comer. MJD may be roughly the same age as Foster, but he is WAY older in football years. Even AP isn't the pure explosion he was as a rookie. He can still break it against any defense, but those first two years he was lightning. His heavy workload has already slowed him some.Not that MJD isn't going to be a stud over the next few years. But it's very possible he won't be considered a top 5 back again. It's not all his fault, his team sucks, but those are the grapes.

How do you know? Was LT better in 2004, at the age of 25, or in 2006, at the age of 27? I said it's possible that MJD hasn't reached his prime yet, and it is. It sounds to me like you're actually suggesting he's past his prime, rather than in his prime, as was your initial claim. The bottom line is neither of us know, but then, I don't claim to know.

By IN his prime, I don't mean to suggest that this will be his best season. You're not in your prime for just one season. I'm saying there's about a three to five year stretch where you're in your prime. MJD resides somewhere in that stretch right now, and not in the first two years of it.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I am in a Dynasty League with a 1st place, "win now" team.

I just traded for Foster. Gave up A/P & Forsett, Received Foster, Best.

I like the deal for this year. Its a PPR format so Best should be somewhat valuable, or at least a starter, in the year's to come to offset foregoing a future "career season" for A/P in 2011, 2012 or 2013 should such a season materialize