mcfadden might go late first in some leagues, but I would not touch him in the first imoMid first probably in ppr leagues behind, Peterson, Foster, McCoy, and McFadden.
Yeah, I wouldn't touch McFadden either. Guy has never made it through a season yet.mcfadden might go late first in some leagues, but I would not touch him in the first imoMid first probably in ppr leagues behind, Peterson, Foster, McCoy, and McFadden.
well they can't and won't get rid of the tackles. Too expensive and too good to part with. Any interior player is "fair game" probably. Matthews may have to go or bring on an old guy consultant OL coach. The night and day difference between previous few years coached by Munchak and this year by Matthews is just too much of a drop. He's their darling HOF offensive lineman so we'll see how gentle they can be with him.If the Titans do an OL overhaul which I would expect, look for Johnson to be a solid mid 1st round selection.
I think they can overhaul the interior and also maybe draft a Tackle who could "challenge" for time. You have to start somewhere and the OL blocking has been atrocious.well they can't and won't get rid of the tackles. Too expensive and too good to part with. Any interior player is "fair game" probably. Matthews may have to go or bring on an old guy consultant OL coach. The night and day difference between previous few years coached by Munchak and this year by Matthews is just too much of a drop. He's their darling HOF offensive lineman so we'll see how gentle they can be with him.If the Titans do an OL overhaul which I would expect, look for Johnson to be a solid mid 1st round selection.
Nope. He'll go in round 1 - probably behind CJ stillIs m. lynch a 2nd round pick? most dominant rb 2nd half of season.......
I'd take Lynch before CJ without hesitation if he re-signs with SEA.Nope. He'll go in round 1 - probably behind CJ stillIs m. lynch a 2nd round pick? most dominant rb 2nd half of season.......
Separate thread, I know, but seeing Andre's name sparked the thought. I think that you have to consider Andre just like you do DMC. I know the top tier WR talent he has, but it seems like he is always injured. I'd take another top 5 WR ahead of him at the 1st round price. My luck I'd be wrong and he'd kill for the entire 2012 season, but I need to see that out of him before I draft him 1st round. Just my $.02Non-PPR I don't see how he falls out of the first. APFosterMccoyCalvinRiceRodgersCamHe probably goes in the tier of:BradyBreesMcfaddenMJDForteAndre
Ah....there it is. Once he get's his money he will get cash drunk too.I'd take Lynch before CJ without hesitation if he re-signs with SEA.Nope. He'll go in round 1 - probably behind CJ stillIs m. lynch a 2nd round pick? most dominant rb 2nd half of season.......
Thats the key. He's only been on the field one year without missing significant time. I pass on DMAC and Johnson (too feast or famine).Assuming Bush leaves, I dont see how DMC isn't a first rounder. His injures have been unlucky, and he was the #1 fantasy player, when he was on the field.
I'll back off this if he doesn't have a nice game this Sunday. He should be on the field for almost every snap against a poor defense. If he doesn't put up in this game I wouldn't be comfortable with him as a first rounder next year.I've said it in a few threads lately.. With his schedule down the stretch he might end up top 5 if you have a drafter there who likes him.
what if he blows up this week and puts up 20 yards the week after?I'll back off this if he doesn't have a nice game this Sunday. He should be on the field for almost every snap against a poor defense. If he doesn't put up in this game I wouldn't be comfortable with him as a first rounder next year.I've said it in a few threads lately.. With his schedule down the stretch he might end up top 5 if you have a drafter there who likes him.
People might be scared of his age. I'll be buying. He might be 31 next year (I think), but he's got low miles (at least low NFL miles). Should be good to great for a couple more years.I'm not sure what else Fred Jackson needs to do to get some love. He's still the number 11 rb in my league and he hasnt played in a month.
Yeah, I don't trust him one bit. I wouldn't draft him in the first round of a Dynasty or Redraft. I own him in a couple Dynasty Leagues and would trade him for the right price. He doesn't have the fire in his belly any more. Too bad because he was so good a couple of years ago. He will likely still put up some numbers against soft teams and he isn't injury prone so worth keeping around but he is not a priority player in my opinion.I can't see drafting him at all next season to be honest. Just too many poor games this season. Too much feast or famine is right.
Yeah, you made that pretty clear on your Podcast the other night; only with even more flowery languageI wouldn't touch him with your money in the 1st round. I've seen enough of the no heart quitter for me to take someone else. Very happy I traded his ### last spring for McCoy and a Dev pick in the one league I owned him
he had the 2000 2 yrs ago. by your logic, this current year should be his return to dominance.I think he'll fall to the late first round where someone desperate will take him over the likes of Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch.
While it'll seem crazy, I think CJ might be the steal of the draft next year. Especially if you get him in the 2nd round.
Here's why -
Most RBs who have a 2000 yard season produce a clunker the next year. The number of carries needed and the mental focus necessary for 2K takes its toll. This is why I avoided CJ in all my drafts this year. I figured he'd have an off year, and the holdout and coaching changes only made it worse.
However, it's worth looking at the second seasons produced after a 2000 yard effort -
O.J.
1973 - 332 carries, 2003 yds, 12 TDs
1974 - 270 carries, 1125 yds, 3 TDs
1975 - 329 carries, 1817 yds, 16 TDs
Eric Dickerson
1984 - 379 carries, 2105 yds, 14 TDs
1985 - 292 carries, 1234 yds, 12 TDs
1986 - 404 carries, 1821 yds, 11 TDs
Barry Sanders
1997 - 335 carries, 2053 yards, 11 TDs
1998 - 342 carries, 1491 yards, 4 TDs
Sanders retired after the 1998 season
Terrell Davis
1998 - 392 carries, 2008 yards, 21 TDs
1999 - 67 carries, 211 yards, 2 TDs
2000- 78 carries, 282 yards, 2 TDs
Jamal Lewis
2003 - 387 carries, 2066 yards, 14 TDs
2004 - 235 carries, 1006 yards, 7 TDs
2005 - 269 carries, 906 yards, 3 TDs
While Davis and Lewis suffered injuries for a couple years after their 2000 yard seasons (and Davis never recovered), Simpson and Dickerson both had an off year followed by a return to form. While Barry Sander's 1491 yards is hardly an 'off year,' his 4 TDs were and had he played the 1998 season most everyone agreed he would have had a monster year (barring injury).
CJ is having an epically bad year due to the 2000 hangover, his holdout, and the coaching changes. However, he's still flashed immense talent, he's only 26 years old, and next season he won't hold out and will have a year under the new coaching regime. His team is also finishing on a strong note and I expect this to carry over into 2012.
The guy is primed for a monster year. Save the thread and hold me to it next December, because I'm calling my shot: CJ will be a top 3 fantasy back in 2012.
Thanks for listening Munchkin. Make sure you say hey if you're in the Chat room. And use your # 1 pick on someone else!'munchkin said:Yeah, you made that pretty clear on your Podcast the other night; only with even more flowery language'Invictus~Bronte said:I wouldn't touch him with your money in the 1st round. I've seen enough of the no heart quitter for me to take someone else. Very happy I traded his ### last spring for McCoy and a Dev pick in the one league I owned him![]()
Excellent post.'Mitch Robbins said:I think he'll fall to the late first round where someone desperate will take him over the likes of Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch.
While it'll seem crazy, I think CJ might be the steal of the draft next year. Especially if you get him in the 2nd round.
Here's why -
Most RBs who have a 2000 yard season produce a clunker the next year. The number of carries needed and the mental focus necessary for 2K takes its toll. This is why I avoided CJ in all my drafts this year. I figured he'd have an off year, and the holdout and coaching changes only made it worse.
However, it's worth looking at the second seasons produced after a 2000 yard effort -
O.J.
1973 - 332 carries, 2003 yds, 12 TDs
1974 - 270 carries, 1125 yds, 3 TDs
1975 - 329 carries, 1817 yds, 16 TDs
Eric Dickerson
1984 - 379 carries, 2105 yds, 14 TDs
1985 - 292 carries, 1234 yds, 12 TDs
1986 - 404 carries, 1821 yds, 11 TDs
Barry Sanders
1997 - 335 carries, 2053 yards, 11 TDs
1998 - 342 carries, 1491 yards, 4 TDs
Sanders retired after the 1998 season
Terrell Davis
1998 - 392 carries, 2008 yards, 21 TDs
1999 - 67 carries, 211 yards, 2 TDs
2000- 78 carries, 282 yards, 2 TDs
Jamal Lewis
2003 - 387 carries, 2066 yards, 14 TDs
2004 - 235 carries, 1006 yards, 7 TDs
2005 - 269 carries, 906 yards, 3 TDs
While Davis and Lewis suffered injuries for a couple years after their 2000 yard seasons (and Davis never recovered), Simpson and Dickerson both had an off year followed by a return to form. While Barry Sander's 1491 yards is hardly an 'off year,' his 4 TDs were and had he played the 1998 season most everyone agreed he would have had a monster year (barring injury).
CJ is having an epically bad year due to the 2000 hangover, his holdout, and the coaching changes. However, he's still flashed immense talent, he's only 26 years old, and next season he won't hold out and will have a year under the new coaching regime. His team is also finishing on a strong note and I expect this to carry over into 2012.
The guy is primed for a monster year. Save the thread and hold me to it next December, because I'm calling my shot: CJ will be a top 3 fantasy back in 2012.
I hope everyone else feels the same as you next year because I could not disagree more and would like to be able to get Johnson late.'shnikies said:I'd take Lynch before CJ without hesitation if he re-signs with SEA.'Truman said:Nope. He'll go in round 1 - probably behind CJ stillIs m. lynch a 2nd round pick? most dominant rb 2nd half of season.......
Not sure if the previous was sarcasm or not, but as stated previously, THIS YEAR is the second year after CJ's 2,000 yard season, making that entire post kinda irrelevant and incorrect at best...Excellent post.'Mitch Robbins said:I think he'll fall to the late first round where someone desperate will take him over the likes of Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch.
While it'll seem crazy, I think CJ might be the steal of the draft next year. Especially if you get him in the 2nd round.
Here's why -
Most RBs who have a 2000 yard season produce a clunker the next year. The number of carries needed and the mental focus necessary for 2K takes its toll. This is why I avoided CJ in all my drafts this year. I figured he'd have an off year, and the holdout and coaching changes only made it worse.
However, it's worth looking at the second seasons produced after a 2000 yard effort -
O.J.
1973 - 332 carries, 2003 yds, 12 TDs
1974 - 270 carries, 1125 yds, 3 TDs
1975 - 329 carries, 1817 yds, 16 TDs
Eric Dickerson
1984 - 379 carries, 2105 yds, 14 TDs
1985 - 292 carries, 1234 yds, 12 TDs
1986 - 404 carries, 1821 yds, 11 TDs
Barry Sanders
1997 - 335 carries, 2053 yards, 11 TDs
1998 - 342 carries, 1491 yards, 4 TDs
Sanders retired after the 1998 season
Terrell Davis
1998 - 392 carries, 2008 yards, 21 TDs
1999 - 67 carries, 211 yards, 2 TDs
2000- 78 carries, 282 yards, 2 TDs
Jamal Lewis
2003 - 387 carries, 2066 yards, 14 TDs
2004 - 235 carries, 1006 yards, 7 TDs
2005 - 269 carries, 906 yards, 3 TDs
While Davis and Lewis suffered injuries for a couple years after their 2000 yard seasons (and Davis never recovered), Simpson and Dickerson both had an off year followed by a return to form. While Barry Sander's 1491 yards is hardly an 'off year,' his 4 TDs were and had he played the 1998 season most everyone agreed he would have had a monster year (barring injury).
CJ is having an epically bad year due to the 2000 hangover, his holdout, and the coaching changes. However, he's still flashed immense talent, he's only 26 years old, and next season he won't hold out and will have a year under the new coaching regime. His team is also finishing on a strong note and I expect this to carry over into 2012.
The guy is primed for a monster year. Save the thread and hold me to it next December, because I'm calling my shot: CJ will be a top 3 fantasy back in 2012.
There is hope left in the Shark Pool producing informative posts like this.
Well done.
Not sure if the previous was sarcasm or not, but as stated previously, THIS YEAR is the second year after CJ's 2,000 yard season, making that entire post kinda irrelevant and incorrect at best...Excellent post.'Mitch Robbins said:I think he'll fall to the late first round where someone desperate will take him over the likes of Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch.
While it'll seem crazy, I think CJ might be the steal of the draft next year. Especially if you get him in the 2nd round.
Here's why -
Most RBs who have a 2000 yard season produce a clunker the next year. The number of carries needed and the mental focus necessary for 2K takes its toll. This is why I avoided CJ in all my drafts this year. I figured he'd have an off year, and the holdout and coaching changes only made it worse.
However, it's worth looking at the second seasons produced after a 2000 yard effort -
O.J.
1973 - 332 carries, 2003 yds, 12 TDs
1974 - 270 carries, 1125 yds, 3 TDs
1975 - 329 carries, 1817 yds, 16 TDs
Eric Dickerson
1984 - 379 carries, 2105 yds, 14 TDs
1985 - 292 carries, 1234 yds, 12 TDs
1986 - 404 carries, 1821 yds, 11 TDs
Barry Sanders
1997 - 335 carries, 2053 yards, 11 TDs
1998 - 342 carries, 1491 yards, 4 TDs
Sanders retired after the 1998 season
Terrell Davis
1998 - 392 carries, 2008 yards, 21 TDs
1999 - 67 carries, 211 yards, 2 TDs
2000- 78 carries, 282 yards, 2 TDs
Jamal Lewis
2003 - 387 carries, 2066 yards, 14 TDs
2004 - 235 carries, 1006 yards, 7 TDs
2005 - 269 carries, 906 yards, 3 TDs
While Davis and Lewis suffered injuries for a couple years after their 2000 yard seasons (and Davis never recovered), Simpson and Dickerson both had an off year followed by a return to form. While Barry Sander's 1491 yards is hardly an 'off year,' his 4 TDs were and had he played the 1998 season most everyone agreed he would have had a monster year (barring injury).
CJ is having an epically bad year due to the 2000 hangover, his holdout, and the coaching changes. However, he's still flashed immense talent, he's only 26 years old, and next season he won't hold out and will have a year under the new coaching regime. His team is also finishing on a strong note and I expect this to carry over into 2012.
The guy is primed for a monster year. Save the thread and hold me to it next December, because I'm calling my shot: CJ will be a top 3 fantasy back in 2012.
There is hope left in the Shark Pool producing informative posts like this.
Well done.
If Lynch comes into training camp at the same weight he's at now with the line he'll be running behind, it's a no-brainer. Now, if he's heavier, that's a completely different story and I'd avoid him like the plague.I hope everyone else feels the same as you next year because I could not disagree more and would like to be able to get Johnson late.'shnikies said:I'd take Lynch before CJ without hesitation if he re-signs with SEA.'Truman said:Nope. He'll go in round 1 - probably behind CJ stillIs m. lynch a 2nd round pick? most dominant rb 2nd half of season.......
How can you possibly say this after watching him this year?He has shown this year to be exactly what a lot of us have spent too much time saying already: that he is a very feast or famine guy and truly isn't worth the annual consideration of being the top 3-5 RB taken (especially with the emergence of Shady and Foster to squarely bounce him outside that tier).The people in a CJ thread this time of year are the 1/12 guys who got burned by using a high pick on him in redrafts. He's still an elite player and will be a first rounder in most formats in 2012. His dynasty value hasn't really changed a ton either - he's fallen a few spots but I think most people will still have him in tier 1 this offseason when the dust settles.
That's kind of a chicken-or-the-egg argument.In 7 games this season he's averaged less than 2.7y/a so I'm not sure how you can give a guy 20 carries if he's that ineffective(He actually got 24 carries in one of those games - and barely broke 50 yards). In those games he was killing drives so it's not surprising he was getting fewer opportunities... the entire offense was getting fewer opportunities due in part to the way he was playing.'Grahamburn said:CJ has gone over 20 carries just 5 times this season. His 4 100+ yard games were in those contests.
No brainer? Hardly. The guy rarely avoids contact but looks for it. He's not very explosive from what I can tell. And the OL can change year to year....look at Cleveland's OL in 2010 and then 2011. Chris Johnson's OL was great last year but now they are not as good, allegedly. I'm not holding this year against Chris Johnson. I didn't want him this year at what he was costing, but next year he could be good value. The guy is arguably the most explosive RB in the NFL. I'm not going to hold 2011 against him when I draft in 2012.If Lynch comes into training camp at the same weight he's at now with the line he'll be running behind, it's a no-brainer. Now, if he's heavier, that's a completely different story and I'd avoid him like the plague.I hope everyone else feels the same as you next year because I could not disagree more and would like to be able to get Johnson late.'shnikies said:I'd take Lynch before CJ without hesitation if he re-signs with SEA.'Truman said:Nope. He'll go in round 1 - probably behind CJ stillIs m. lynch a 2nd round pick? most dominant rb 2nd half of season.......
It's hard to avoid contact when your top 3 offensive linemen are on the IR. Not explosive?!?!?!?!No brainer? Hardly. The guy rarely avoids contact but looks for it. He's not very explosive from what I can tell. And the OL can change year to year....look at Cleveland's OL in 2010 and then 2011. Chris Johnson's OL was great last year but now they are not as good, allegedly. I'm not holding this year against Chris Johnson. I didn't want him this year at what he was costing, but next year he could be good value. The guy is arguably the most explosive RB in the NFL. I'm not going to hold 2011 against him when I draft in 2012.If Lynch comes into training camp at the same weight he's at now with the line he'll be running behind, it's a no-brainer. Now, if he's heavier, that's a completely different story and I'd avoid him like the plague.I hope everyone else feels the same as you next year because I could not disagree more and would like to be able to get Johnson late.'shnikies said:I'd take Lynch before CJ without hesitation if he re-signs with SEA.'Truman said:Nope. He'll go in round 1 - probably behind CJ stillIs m. lynch a 2nd round pick? most dominant rb 2nd half of season.......
Nope, not explosive. He wears a defense down but not explosive like Chris Johnson, McCoy, Foster, McFadden, and J Charles are. Those are guys who can put up the massive days with over 200 yards rushing/receiving, and multiple TD's. Lynch isn't that kind of guy. He's a good #2 RB and that's what I'll view him as next year. No way I take him in the 1st round.It's hard to avoid contact when your top 3 offensive linemen are on the IR. Not explosive?!?!?!?!No brainer? Hardly. The guy rarely avoids contact but looks for it. He's not very explosive from what I can tell. And the OL can change year to year....look at Cleveland's OL in 2010 and then 2011. Chris Johnson's OL was great last year but now they are not as good, allegedly. I'm not holding this year against Chris Johnson. I didn't want him this year at what he was costing, but next year he could be good value. The guy is arguably the most explosive RB in the NFL. I'm not going to hold 2011 against him when I draft in 2012.If Lynch comes into training camp at the same weight he's at now with the line he'll be running behind, it's a no-brainer. Now, if he's heavier, that's a completely different story and I'd avoid him like the plague.I hope everyone else feels the same as you next year because I could not disagree more and would like to be able to get Johnson late.'shnikies said:I'd take Lynch before CJ without hesitation if he re-signs with SEA.'Truman said:Nope. He'll go in round 1 - probably behind CJ still![]()