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Is Harry Reid Senile? (1 Viewer)

just another example of a person who calls themselves a republican who does not understand what republican means. more like a christer who doesn't realize their god is no different than any that came before... false...

 
Ill see that and raise you a Republican legislator:

State Delegate Bob Marshall of Manassas, one of the authors of Virginia’s anti-gay marriage amendment, held a press conference last week to oppose state funding for Planned Parenthood.

That’s where he dropped this humdinger ...

““The number of children who are born subsequent to a first abortion with handicaps has increased dramatically. Why? Because when you abort the first born of any, nature takes its vengeance on the subsequent children. In the Old Testament, the first born of every being, animal and man, was dedicated to the Lord. There’s a special punishment Christians would suggest.

So that holds true of any special needs child... Its punishment (from God no less) for the parents. :rolleyes: What did the child, itself, do to deserve such a thing? A: Nothing.
Comparing a State Delegate to Harry Reid? :goodposting:
 
Are Reid's comments really out of line? Have domestic violence reports gone up over the last couple of years? I can't say I'd be surprised if it had. :goodposting:

 
Ill see that and raise you a Republican legislator:

State Delegate Bob Marshall of Manassas, one of the authors of Virginia’s anti-gay marriage amendment, held a press conference last week to oppose state funding for Planned Parenthood.

That’s where he dropped this humdinger ...

““The number of children who are born subsequent to a first abortion with handicaps has increased dramatically. Why? Because when you abort the first born of any, nature takes its vengeance on the subsequent children. In the Old Testament, the first born of every being, animal and man, was dedicated to the Lord. There’s a special punishment Christians would suggest.

So that holds true of any special needs child... Its punishment (from God no less) for the parents. :D What did the child, itself, do to deserve such a thing? A: Nothing.
Wait so is he implying Sarah Palin had an abortion?
 
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Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.

What's the problem here?

 
Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.

What's the problem here?
Well:http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60613K20100107

The FBI's latest nationwide figures show that violent crime for the United States as a whole declined by 4.4 percent in the first half of 2009, compared with the first half of 2008, led by a 10 percent drop in murders.

Falling crime in urban centers such as New York, Chicago, Dallas and Los Angeles, coinciding with the worst economic slump since the 1930s, is challenging long-held social theories linking lawlessness to joblessness.

 
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Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.What's the problem here?
Managed to get Scott Brown on board for the jobs bill
 
Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.What's the problem here?
Managed to get Scott Brown on board for the jobs bill
He pulled five more Republicans as well. Weird timing as Reid had one of his better days in quite a while yesterday.
 
Ill see that and raise you a Republican legislator:

State Delegate Bob Marshall of Manassas, one of the authors of Virginia’s anti-gay marriage amendment, held a press conference last week to oppose state funding for Planned Parenthood.

That’s where he dropped this humdinger ...

““The number of children who are born subsequent to a first abortion with handicaps has increased dramatically. Why? Because when you abort the first born of any, nature takes its vengeance on the subsequent children. In the Old Testament, the first born of every being, animal and man, was dedicated to the Lord. There’s a special punishment Christians would suggest.

So that holds true of any special needs child... Its punishment (from God no less) for the parents. :coffee: What did the child, itself, do to deserve such a thing? A: Nothing.
Marshall's an idiot. Fortunately, he's not his party's leader in the U.S. Freaking Senate. See the difference?
 
Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.

What's the problem here?
Managed to get Scott Brown on board for the jobs bill
He pulled five more Republicans as well. Weird timing as Reid had one of his better days in quite a while yesterday.
On an extremely small bill of only $15B that consisted mostly of tax cuts. And he got only five senators. This is damning him and the Democrats with faint praise given how laughable their joyous claims of a "bipartisan bill" was in their desperation to look like they've achieved something. Reid did nothing here anyway. Those Republican Senators all come from relatively liberal states and voted their constituency.

 
Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.

What's the problem here?
Managed to get Scott Brown on board for the jobs bill
He pulled five more Republicans as well. Weird timing as Reid had one of his better days in quite a while yesterday.
On an extremely small bill of only $15B that consisted mostly of tax cuts. And he got only five senators. This is damning him and the Democrats with faint praise given how laughable their joyous claims of a "bipartisan bill" was in their desperation to look like they've achieved something. Reid did nothing here anyway. Those Republican Senators all come from relatively liberal states and voted their constituency.
OK
 
A quick search found a number of articles that link unemployment and domestic violence.

So Jim11, your conclusion is that Harry needs psychiatric help? Are you a sociology expert?
:kicksrock:
So you agree that more wives will be beaten if this bill doesn't pass?
I agree that joblessness leads to greater rates of abuse, and I'm wondering why saying so makes someone senile or in need of psychiatric help.
 
A quick search found a number of articles that link unemployment and domestic violence.

So Jim11, your conclusion is that Harry needs psychiatric help? Are you a sociology expert?
:kicksrock:
So you agree that more wives will be beaten if this bill doesn't pass?
I agree that joblessness leads to greater rates of abuse, and I'm wondering why saying so makes someone senile or in need of psychiatric help.
You didn't answer the question.
 
A quick search found a number of articles that link unemployment and domestic violence.

So Jim11, your conclusion is that Harry needs psychiatric help? Are you a sociology expert?
:goodposting:
So you agree that more wives will be beaten if this bill doesn't pass?
No, I'm not involved with the jobs bill side of this discussion. Argue with the links please.
Try the link in post #1. :lmao: What do you think Reid was talking about? What do you think this thread is about?

 
A quick search found a number of articles that link unemployment and domestic violence.

So Jim11, your conclusion is that Harry needs psychiatric help? Are you a sociology expert?
:goodposting:
So you agree that more wives will be beaten if this bill doesn't pass?
I agree that joblessness leads to greater rates of abuse, and I'm wondering why saying so makes someone senile or in need of psychiatric help.
You didn't answer the question.
It depends if the bill creates more jobs. I haven't looked closely enough at the bill, but if does, then yes, it would lead to lower rates of domestic abuse.Now if you don't mind, some questions for you: do you think what Harry Reid said suggests in any way that he is senile or in need of psychiatric help? For that matter, did he say anything that wasn't correct? And if you answer in the negative, what do you think of posts like Jim11s post here? Do they lead to productive and interesting dialogue?

 
Are Reid's comments really out of line? Have domestic violence reports gone up over the last couple of years? I can't say I'd be surprised if it had. :shrug:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
What's funny?
How dense you are...Reid is arguing that if the jobs bill wasn't passed it could lead to more domestic violence. You good with that?
Jeez, it's not really like it's his main argument for passing the bill. On a Harry Reid scale of dooshiness, this one should barely garner a mention.
 
It depends if the bill creates more jobs. I haven't looked closely enough at the bill, but if does, then yes, it would lead to lower rates of domestic abuse.Now if you don't mind, some questions for you: do you think what Harry Reid said suggests in any way that he is senile or in need of psychiatric help? For that matter, did he say anything that wasn't correct? And if you answer in the negative, what do you think of posts like Jim11s post here? Do they lead to productive and interesting dialogue?
I'm not sure if Reid is senile or not but he's certainly incompetent. When you have to argue for a jobs creation bill by saying it will prevent domestic violence, it can be viewed as counter productive. This reminds me of when he said that GOP being opposed to the Dems healthcare reform bill was like being against civil rights. Again...counter productive.
 
A quick search found a number of articles that link unemployment and domestic violence.

So Jim11, your conclusion is that Harry needs psychiatric help? Are you a sociology expert?
:goodposting:
So you agree that more wives will be beaten if this bill doesn't pass?
I do! :hey: In fact, if the bill doesn't pass, I'm going to beat the #### out of someone's wife.
:thumbup: Can I, too, or do I need to be unemployed to do so?

 
It depends if the bill creates more jobs. I haven't looked closely enough at the bill, but if does, then yes, it would lead to lower rates of domestic abuse.Now if you don't mind, some questions for you: do you think what Harry Reid said suggests in any way that he is senile or in need of psychiatric help? For that matter, did he say anything that wasn't correct? And if you answer in the negative, what do you think of posts like Jim11s post here? Do they lead to productive and interesting dialogue?
I'm not sure if Reid is senile or not but he's certainly incompetent. When you have to argue for a jobs creation bill by saying it will prevent domestic violence, it can be viewed as counter productive. This reminds me of when he said that GOP being opposed to the Dems healthcare reform bill was like being against civil rights. Again...counter productive.
You didn't answer my questions. Was he wrong? If not, what good does a post like Jim11's do?For the record, I have no problem with what he said. He's fighting for jobs to combat poverty, of course, and you don't just combat poverty because it means people don't have money. You fight it because poverty has negative impacts, some direct, some indirect. I'm not sure why it's problematic to point out that abuse is one of those indirect negative impacts. It's not like he is making it the centerpiece of his efforts or something.
 
It depends if the bill creates more jobs. I haven't looked closely enough at the bill, but if does, then yes, it would lead to lower rates of domestic abuse.Now if you don't mind, some questions for you: do you think what Harry Reid said suggests in any way that he is senile or in need of psychiatric help? For that matter, did he say anything that wasn't correct? And if you answer in the negative, what do you think of posts like Jim11s post here? Do they lead to productive and interesting dialogue?
I'm not sure if Reid is senile or not but he's certainly incompetent. When you have to argue for a jobs creation bill by saying it will prevent domestic violence, it can be viewed as counter productive. This reminds me of when he said that GOP being opposed to the Dems healthcare reform bill was like being against civil rights. Again...counter productive.
You didn't answer my questions. Was he wrong? If not, what good does a post like Jim11's do?For the record, I have no problem with what he said. He's fighting for jobs to combat poverty, of course, and you don't just combat poverty because it means people don't have money. You fight it because poverty has negative impacts, some direct, some indirect. I'm not sure why it's problematic to point out that abuse is one of those indirect negative impacts. It's not like he is making it the centerpiece of his efforts or something.
He's wrong because he's got no proof that this bill will prevent domestic violence. When you're Senate majority leader, you need to be held more accountable for just throwing any piece of #### against the wall and hoping it sticks.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with Reid's comments, per se. Certainly, not offended or anything.

My problem is that why are we talking about the seriousness of job losses. Is this not an obvious political point? Job loss - bad. Job gains - good.

Isn't the question - Will this jobs bill help the economy create more jobs withough doing harm elsewhere or cause unintended negative consequencese?

My guess that you can fill a floor speech or a topic thread with that discussion. On that point, both Reid and the OP failed.

 
It depends if the bill creates more jobs. I haven't looked closely enough at the bill, but if does, then yes, it would lead to lower rates of domestic abuse.Now if you don't mind, some questions for you: do you think what Harry Reid said suggests in any way that he is senile or in need of psychiatric help? For that matter, did he say anything that wasn't correct? And if you answer in the negative, what do you think of posts like Jim11s post here? Do they lead to productive and interesting dialogue?
I'm not sure if Reid is senile or not but he's certainly incompetent. When you have to argue for a jobs creation bill by saying it will prevent domestic violence, it can be viewed as counter productive. This reminds me of when he said that GOP being opposed to the Dems healthcare reform bill was like being against civil rights. Again...counter productive.
You didn't answer my questions. Was he wrong? If not, what good does a post like Jim11's do?For the record, I have no problem with what he said. He's fighting for jobs to combat poverty, of course, and you don't just combat poverty because it means people don't have money. You fight it because poverty has negative impacts, some direct, some indirect. I'm not sure why it's problematic to point out that abuse is one of those indirect negative impacts. It's not like he is making it the centerpiece of his efforts or something.
He's wrong because he's got no proof that this bill will prevent domestic violence. When you're Senate majority leader, you need to be held more accountable for just throwing any piece of #### against the wall and hoping it sticks.
There's proof that reducing unemployment reduces domestic violence. The aim of the bill is to reduce unemployment. I don't see how it's a problem to suggest that a bill that is intended to do A would also do B, when a causal relationship between A and B has been clearly and repeatedly demonstrated.
 
Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.

What's the problem here?
Managed to get Scott Brown on board for the jobs bill
He pulled five more Republicans as well. Weird timing as Reid had one of his better days in quite a while yesterday.
On an extremely small bill of only $15B that consisted mostly of tax cuts. And he got only five senators. This is damning him and the Democrats with faint praise given how laughable their joyous claims of a "bipartisan bill" was in their desperation to look like they've achieved something. Reid did nothing here anyway. Those Republican Senators all come from relatively liberal states and voted their constituency.
OK
I know. There's not much else to say.BTW, Olberman to my surprise had that same take. :goodposting:

 
Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.

What's the problem here?
Well:http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60613K20100107

The FBI's latest nationwide figures show that violent crime for the United States as a whole declined by 4.4 percent in the first half of 2009, compared with the first half of 2008, led by a 10 percent drop in murders.

Falling crime in urban centers such as New York, Chicago, Dallas and Los Angeles, coinciding with the worst economic slump since the 1930s, is challenging long-held social theories linking lawlessness to joblessness.
Ok, so maybe he is wrong.But there is nothing crazy about what he is saying, In fact, apparently what he is saying is consistent with "long-held social theories linking lawlessness to joblessness." Harry Reid is mainstream - who knew?

So again, what is the problem here?

 
Harry Reid is indeed going senile, and he is an embarassment to Democrats, but I don't really have an issue with what he is saying here. In fact, I would go a step further and say violent crime, in general, goes up when men are out of work.

What's the problem here?
Well:http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60613K20100107

The FBI's latest nationwide figures show that violent crime for the United States as a whole declined by 4.4 percent in the first half of 2009, compared with the first half of 2008, led by a 10 percent drop in murders.

Falling crime in urban centers such as New York, Chicago, Dallas and Los Angeles, coinciding with the worst economic slump since the 1930s, is challenging long-held social theories linking lawlessness to joblessness.
Ok, so maybe he is wrong.But there is nothing crazy about what he is saying, In fact, apparently what he is saying is consistent with "long-held social theories linking lawlessness to joblessness." Harry Reid is mainstream - who knew?

So again, what is the problem here?
Also, violent crime does not equal domestic abuse. There's plenty of links above correlating unemployment and domestic abuse. No reason to defer to ones discussing violent crime generally when more applicable stats are linked in this very thread.
 
A quick search found a number of articles that link unemployment and domestic violence.

So Jim11, your conclusion is that Harry needs psychiatric help? Are you a sociology expert?
:lol:
So you agree that more wives will be beaten if this bill doesn't pass?
No, I'm not involved with the jobs bill side of this discussion. Argue with the links please.
Try the link in post #1. :rolleyes: What do you think Reid was talking about? What do you think this thread is about?
It's about whether or not Harry Reid is senile for suggesting that unemployment is linked to domestic violence. The link in the OP was to an article that focused on his remarks concerning the connection. The fact that he made those remarks in support of a jobs bill is incidental to the OP. If you want to discuss the jobs bill, start a new thread.Thanks for playing. :bye:

 
Harry Reid just told Asian Americans they’re not ‘smarter than anybody else.’ He does stuff like this a lot.Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says things from time to time that are at best impolitic and at worst pretty offensive.The term for both of these things in today's political vernacular is "gaffe."

Such is the case again with the above remarks from Reid, made in front of the Asian Chamber of Commerce and helpfully clipped Friday by the GOP opposition research group America Rising.

"The Asian population is so productive," Reid told the group. "I don't think you're smarter than anybody else, but you've convinced a lot of us you are."

He added after his remarks that he has problems "keeping my Wongs straight." (Rimshot.) The remarks are already being given the g-word treatment. And, yes, they are certainly questionable.

Update 12:45 p.m.: Reid has now apologized, saying in a statement: "My comments were in extremely poor taste and I apologize. Sometimes I say the wrong thing."

But Reid has also made a career out of saying such odd things -- so much so that few tend to notice stuff like this. He's like Joe Biden; he's almost built up a gaffe immunity by committing so many small-ish gaffes.

It's hard to argue Reid (and Biden, for that matter) doesn't pay a price -- given his unpopularity back home and nationally -- but he has yet to ruin his career. Here's a sampling of some of Reid's greatest gaffes:

1) "Negro dialect"

Reid's description of President Obama, in the book "Game Change," included the remark that Obama was "light-skinned" and had "no Negro dialect -- unless he wanted to have one" (a suggestion that Obama's race helped him in 2008) and forced an apology from Reid in 2010.

2) Mitt Romney hasn't paid taxes in 10 years

Reid alleged in the 2012 presidential campaign that Mitt Romney hadn't paid taxes in 10 years -- a claim that Reid attributed to an unnamed person and turned out to be totally unfounded. At the same time, it had the desired effect, forcing a conversation about Romney's taxes. So it's kind of hard to call this a "gaffe." Still, what about Reid's credibility?

3) The hottest senator

Reid at a 2010 fundraiser referred to Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) as the "hottest member" of the Senate, with her sitting just a few feet away, according to Politico's Maggie Haberman.

4) Those smelly tourists

Offered without comment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP6qeBPl_HA

5) Ted Kennedy's death helping Obamacare

Reid said in 2009 that Sen. Ted Kennedy's (D-Mass.) death would help Democrats pass his life-long political cause: health-care reform. "I think it’s going to help us," Reid said.

6) No Hispanic Republicans?

That's what Reid alleged in 2010: "I don't know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican, OK." This is only a partial list, of course. Some off these things -- especially the Romney comments -- can be chalked up to political gamesmanship. And Reid is nothing if not a political animal. But he's also the leader of the United States Senate. And his career of middling gaffes is a tribute to just how anonymous the leader of upper chamber can remain -- along with how over-used the term "gaffe" is these days.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/22/harry-reid-just-told-asian-americans-theyre-not-smarter-than-anybody-else-he-does-stuff-like-this-a-lot/

- WaPo

 
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The country's economic indicators may be falling, but incidents of domestic violence are rising.

Hotline calls, shelter visits, and domestic violence-related crimes are all up significantly, according to recent reports ranging from Wisconsin to Rhode Island. Domestic-violence shelters in each of Oklahoma's two largest cities, Oklahoma City and Tulsa, to list just one example, are fully occupied and having to turn women away.

Job loss and declines in income add even more strain on violent relationships. A study on recent domestic-violence homicides in Massachusetts found that “limited access to services for victims and unemployment for batterers” were key risk factors of abuse.

And women often feel trapped in abusive relationships during tough economic times. They're likely to feel they'd be unable to financially support themselves, according to Toni Troop, a spokeswoman for Jane Doe Inc., a coalition of organizations against domestic violence. Plus, if an abuser is out of work, "there is more opportunity [for him] to be present" at home, she says.

Karen Oehme, director of the Institute for Family Violence Studies at Florida State University, tells the Pensacola News Journal that it's "not uncommon for abusers to keep victims economically enslaved, seizing paychecks and denying all access to money. When that income shrinks during hard times, the victim becomes even easier to control."

At the same time, funding for domestic violence shelters and programs are a victim of the recession.
http://www.globalenvision.org/2009/03/26/recession-related-violence-rise

Poor Jim11

 
Recession Increasing Domestic Violence, Decreasing Victim Options

Brian Namey, communications director of the National Network to End Domestic Violence, reports that his organization has been receiving similar feedback. "Anecdotally, we've been hearing of shelters across the country being maxed out to capacity, also that the frequency and severity of abuse is getting worse."

Except in rare cases, like some of the sensationalized incidents of familicide this year, financial stress does not create domestic abuse. One DV counselor in Indiana describes the recession as "fuel to the flame of domestic violence."

As Sgarlata explains: "Stress related to the economy is increasing stress at home. As stress increases at home, the tendency for violence increases. "

Namey agrees: "We know the economy does not create abuse, but it makes it worse. While shelters across the country have increased demand for beds, at the same time resources from the government and from corporate donors are down. Demand is up, support is down."
 

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