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Is Jordy Nelson a Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)

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I mean, obviously he's going into the Packers Hall of Fame.  But will he make it into Canton?  He's already got as many or more touchdowns than some current HOFers (Irvin, Joiner, Stallworth, Mitchell) and will put a few more in his wake this year (Biletnikoff, Bullet, Lofton, Berry).  But he doesn't have the aggregate stats of a lot of those guys.  He's as efficient as can be but got a late start.  

Going to be interesting.  

 
Different game now.  Passing is made easy by the modern rules, so comparing stats is kinda silly, imo.

...and there's a long line of great WR's waiting to get in the HOF.

 
He's going to need many more years of toplevel production to make it in. Late bloomers don't get a pass for not doing much early on. He barely has 500 receptions. There are guys with 1,000 waiting to get in. 

Nelson has only had four noteworthy years so far. Missed a full season with an injury, which won't help after his late takeoff of his career. 

May this point I don't think he is all that close. We can revisit when his career is over. 

 
spider321 said:
Different game now.  Passing is made easy by the modern rules, so comparing stats is kinda silly, imo.
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I'm not sure I agree with the 1st part.

In the past the push-out rule helped WRs gain tons of yardage & TDs that they wouldn't get in today's game. Now that receivers have to get 2 feet down and there's no assumed catch, I could make a pretty good case that receivers have it harder to compile statistics in today's game. There's also the issue of "maintaining possession through the completion of the play" which cost Megatron about 8 TDs, and with the advent of instant replay a greater # of catches are challenged & overturned, whereas in the past if it was called a catch it was a catch. 

That said, there's more passing in the modern game, so that lends balance, but I don't think the rules make it that much easier for modern WRs. Safer, sure - no helmet to helmet; greater enforcement of defenseless receiver; etc. Some of these could be construed as making it easier on WRs (and there's no doubt the game is less dangerous for all players compared to the old days) but in terms of yardage and TDs, 

...and there's a long line of great WR's waiting to get in the HOF.
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That I agree with - if Terrell Owens, who's top 5 all time in virtually every receiving category isn't in the HOF, no way is Jordy in the HOF. 

Outstanding WR, criminally underrated in FFB, but probably not HOF. 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
That I agree with - if Terrell Owens, who's top 5 all time in virtually every receiving category isn't in the HOF, no way is Jordy in the HOF. 

Outstanding WR, criminally underrated in FFB, but probably not HOF. 
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Agree - and although Jordy isn't a spring chicken, it would be criminal if a modern day WR makes it to the HOF before TO.

 
The HOF committee seems to love RBs and hate WRs.  So yeah, probably not unless he keeps this up into his late 30s. 

 
He's not even the top Packers WR who should be brought up  when the question "Should ________ be in the HOF?"*

* The answer being Sharpe, Sterling.**

** Sterling Sharpe, for some of you youngsters was a 3 time All-Pro Packers WR in the late 1980s whose career was cut short by injuries. 

 
I'm not sure. He's undervalued in general. The resume just doesn't cut it for the HOF IMO. It's very good but just not good enough for the HOF

 
Thunderlips said:
He's not even the top Packers WR who should be brought up  when the question "Should ________ be in the HOF?"*

* The answer being Sharpe, Sterling.**

** Sterling Sharpe, for some of you youngsters was a 3 time All-Pro Packers WR in the late 1980s whose career was cut short by injuries. 
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Donald Driver should also be ahead of Nelson on the waiting list.

 
spider321 said:
Different game now.  Passing is made easy by the modern rules, so comparing stats is kinda silly, imo.

...and there's a long line of great WR's waiting to get in the HOF.
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Obviously but that doesn't seem to hold back talk about anyone else.  

 
Jordy - 504 Rec, 7,445 yards, 64 TDs, 1 Pro Bowl

Hines Ward - 1000 Rec, 12,083 yards, 85 TDs, Superbowl MVP, 4 Pro Bowls

Terrell Owens - 1078 Rec, 15,934 yards, 153 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls

Torry Holt - 920 Rec, 13,382 yards, 74 TDs, 7 Pro Bowls

Isaac Bruce - 1024 Rec, 15,208 yards, 91 TDs, 4 Pro Bowls

Andre Johnson - 1,062 Rec, 14,185 yards, 70 TDs, 7 Pro Bowls.

Larry Fitz retiring soon - 1,130 Rec, 14,463 yards, 104 TDs, 10 Pro Bowls

So no.  No chance at all.

 
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I'm a Packers fan so yes I love Jordy Nelson but no, he would probably need at least 3 more seasons of 1000 yards and 10 td to be considered.  The answer to this question gets murkier had he put up 1000-10 in the season he lost to injury because he might be only a couple more seasons like that to really make a good argument.  Another really good WR but just not HOF worthy in my mind.

 
Blick said:
Jordy - 504 Rec, 7,445 yards, 64 TDs, 1 Pro Bowl

Hines Ward - 1000 Rec, 12,083 yards, 85 TDs, Superbowl MVP, 4 Pro Bowls

Terrell Owens - 1078 Rec, 15,934 yards, 153 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls

Torry Holt - 920 Rec, 13,382 yards, 74 TDs, 7 Pro Bowls

Isaac Bruce - 1024 Rec, 15,208 yards, 91 TDs, 4 Pro Bowls.

So no.  Not a chance.
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Anquan Boldin - 1076 Rec, 13,779 yards, 82 TDs, 3 Pro Bowls

I put him just behind Bruce, ahead of Holt and Ward.

 
Jordy has been playing since 2008. Since he joined the league, he ranks 15th in receptions (about to be passed by Julio Jones), 15th in receiving yards, and 5th in receiving TD. Those numbers are for all receivers in 2008-2017. If other receivers have been peers and played prior to 2008, their numbers aren't included (only their totals in 08-17 are cited here). Nelson would have to have a big influx of future stats to have any chance.

 
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Warhogs said:
So you are saying there is a chance?  :thumbup:
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Unlike other sports, most players in the NFL cannot adjust their game to squeeze out a few more seasons of productivity. You can't decide to become a Designated Hitter or a 3-point specialist. You have to play pretty much the same way at age 33 as you did at age 23. And that's extremely difficult for WRs and RBs. Most of them hit a wall in their early 30s. Nelson might make it to 34 or 35, but that won't be enough for him to finish with Hall Of Fame numbers. He will have to continue to produce at an elite level through the age of 37, which only a handful WRs have ever done in the history of the league.

 
[scooter] said:
Unlike other sports, most players in the NFL cannot adjust their game to squeeze out a few more seasons of productivity. You can't decide to become a Designated Hitter or a 3-point specialist. You have to play pretty much the same way at age 33 as you did at age 23. And that's extremely difficult for WRs and RBs. Most of them hit a wall in their early 30s. Nelson might make it to 34 or 35, but that won't be enough for him to finish with Hall Of Fame numbers. He will have to continue to produce at an elite level through the age of 37, which only a handful WRs have ever done in the history of the league.
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So I guess there are those who didn't read my sarcasm in my comment....

 
No way.

Think Jordy is a very good player.....but IMO Rodgers made him a great player.  Would be interesting to see how he would do with a mediocre NFL QB.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I'm not sure I agree with the 1st part.

In the past the push-out rule helped WRs gain tons of yardage & TDs that they wouldn't get in today's game. Now that receivers have to get 2 feet down and there's no assumed catch, I could make a pretty good case that receivers have it harder to compile statistics in today's game. There's also the issue of "maintaining possession through the completion of the play" which cost Megatron about 8 TDs, and with the advent of instant replay a greater # of catches are challenged & overturned, whereas in the past if it was called a catch it was a catch. 

That said, there's more passing in the modern game, so that lends balance, but I don't think the rules make it that much easier for modern WRs. Safer, sure - no helmet to helmet; greater enforcement of defenseless receiver; etc. Some of these could be construed as making it easier on WRs (and there's no doubt the game is less dangerous for all players compared to the old days) but in terms of yardage and TDs, 

That I agree with - if Terrell Owens, who's top 5 all time in virtually every receiving category isn't in the HOF, no way is Jordy in the HOF. 

Outstanding WR, criminally underrated in FFB, but probably not HOF. 
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How many times would you guess, without looking, that T.O. was the WR1 in FF?

Same question, with the hint he was All-Pro 5 times?

The answer is zero. #2 four times, #3 twice, #4 once. Jordy has been the #2 FF WR three times. Zero All-Pro selections.

You can argue those are silly parameters, but T.O, was a guy who just dominated the position (seemingly) without ever being the top dog. Nelson is a very good player.

He's not (ATM) a HoFer.

 
BobbyLayne said:
How many times would you guess, without looking, that T.O. was the WR1 in FF?

Same question, with the hint he was All-Pro 5 times?

The answer is zero. #2 four times, #3 twice, #4 once. Jordy has been the #2 FF WR three times. Zero All-Pro selections.

You can argue those are silly parameters, but T.O, was a guy who just dominated the position (seemingly) without ever being the top dog. Nelson is a very good player.

He's not (ATM) a HoFer.
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 Why would I argue that? I was the one who made the point that it Owens is not then Nelson isn't close. 

 However, that said… I'm pretty sure the Hall of Fame committee doesn't look at fantasy football numbers. I'm talking about Owens real life all-time career numbers and the fact that he's top five if not top 2 in most of the Receiving categories for his career. 

He dominated his position. Nelson is a very good and even a great wide receiver, I don't think he's ever really dominated the position in the way that Randy Moss or Terrel Owens or some of the great Hall of Fame receivers have. 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
 Why would I argue that? I was the one who made the point that it Owens is not then Nelson isn't close. 

 However, that said… I'm pretty sure the Hall of Fame committee doesn't look at fantasy football numbers. I'm talking about Owens real life all-time career numbers and the fact that he's top five if not talk to in most of the offense of receiving categories for his career. 

He dominated his position. Well Nelson is a very good and even the great wide receiver, I don't think he's ever really dominated the position in the way that Randy Moss or Terrel Owens or some of the great Hall of Fame receivers have.He dominated his position. Well Nelson is a very good and even the great wide receiver, I don't think he's ever really dominated the position in the way that Randy Moss or Terrel Owens or some of the great Hall of Fame receivers have.
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We're in agreement. Jerry, Marvin, Randy & T.O. were next level. Guys like Steve Smith & Jordy - real good, but not nearly as dominant. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
We're in agreement. Jerry, Marvin, Randy & T.O. were next level. Guys like Steve Smith & Jordy - real good, but not nearly as dominant. 
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We could debate Smurf vs Nelson for a while. I think Smurf was better but part of that is accounting for their QB. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
For all the antics he was a very funny, very likable guy. 
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Around his peak we had Clinton Portis doing his Southeast Jerome personna. Randy was paying fines in "Straight cash, Homie." Hines Ward, Key, Neon Deion, Joe Horn, Sapp - there used to be some genuinely funny & fun players in the league. The NFL could use more characters.

 
Blick said:
Jordy - 504 Rec, 7,445 yards, 64 TDs, 1 Pro Bowl

Hines Ward - 1000 Rec, 12,083 yards, 85 TDs, Superbowl MVP, 4 Pro Bowls

Terrell Owens - 1078 Rec, 15,934 yards, 153 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls

Torry Holt - 920 Rec, 13,382 yards, 74 TDs, 7 Pro Bowls

Isaac Bruce - 1024 Rec, 15,208 yards, 91 TDs, 4 Pro Bowls

Andre Johnson - 1,062 Rec, 14,185 yards, 70 TDs, 7 Pro Bowls.

Larry Fitz retiring soon - 1,130 Rec, 14,463 yards, 104 TDs, 10 Pro Bowls

So no.  No chance at all.
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I'd add Calvin Johnson - 731 Rec, 11,619 yards, 83 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls

 
Gawain said:
Anquan Boldin - 1076 Rec, 13,779 yards, 82 TDs, 3 Pro Bowls

I put him just behind Bruce, ahead of Holt and Ward.
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Holt's career was cut short by injuries, but he had at least 1,300 yards receiving for 6 years in a row.  No one, other than TO, should have higher priority than him.

 
Thunderlips said:
He's not even the top Packers WR who should be brought up  when the question "Should ________ be in the HOF?"*

* The answer being Sharpe, Sterling.**

** Sterling Sharpe, for some of you youngsters was a 3 time All-Pro Packers WR in the late 1980s whose career was cut short by injuries. 
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Whatever.  We let him in, and we have to let in Gale Sayers and Terrell Davis.

 
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