Is Ryan Williams being overlooked? (1 Viewer)

[Concept Coop]

Are we missing the boat on Ryan Williams? He seems to have been pegged as the third back in the class, future 2nd day pick, and a tier below Mark Ingram. My question is: why?

After his team lost to Stanford in the Orange Bowl - a game in which Williams rushed the ball 4 times for as many yards - the red shirt sophomore requested a grade from the NFL college advisory committee. This request came after an injury riddled, disappointing season in which Williams looked like a poor man's version of his 2009 self, who broke Virginia Tech rushing records as a Freshman. The conservative body informed Williams that he could expect to be selected in the first two rounds of April's draft. Should this grade not alleviate doubt? For reference, this is the committee that told standout wide receiver Michael Floyd that he would be drafted in the third round, and once said the same to a Vernon Gholston, who found himself drafted in the top 5, months later.

Pardon the faux-journalism tone. I'm bored. But after watching clips of William's 2009 season, I have to wonder if he can't be the first running back of the board. Ingram is getting a pass for his dip in production, which is chalked up to injury, but Williams doesn't seem to have that luxury in the eyes of Mel Kiper all the way down to the Shark Pool, and most in-between. I can't help but think that had Williams matched his 2009 season, he would be the first back selected, the coveted 1.01 pick, and with Ingram, a tier above the rest. Admittedly, highlights are highlights and who the hell am I? But I haven't seen a back in this years class with a better collection of impressive runs, available to me. Williams is a fast, quick, strong and balanced athlete, and based on interviews, a hard working, smart, humble guy. I think his quickness and speed give him the nod in potential over Ingram and especially LeShoure. I think the 21 year old has the frame to add 5 pounds, losing nothing, which would remove concerns about his ability to carry the load, should there be any.

Excusing my long-windedness, what is stopping Williams from being the first running back selected in the NFL and fantasy drafts?

 

[todisco1]

I don't think he'll be the first back taken in either the NFL or fantasy drafts, but I really like his overall skill set.

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't think he'll be the first back taken in either the NFL or fantasy drafts, but I really like his overall skill set.

Where do you think he will go, and who do you see going ahead of him?

 

[Matt Waldman]

To be very brief, Mark Ingram is like Jonathan Stewart as Williams is to Jamaal Charles. Not exactly accurate so I'm sure there will be 40 guys tempted to nitpick the comparison, but that's the most basic deal. You could draft Ingram and have a terrific long-term prospect that never has the kind of season(s) Williams might produce. But Williams lack of resume compared to Ingram's and William's shortened resume make him less of a "sure thing" in the eyes of some NFL types.

I'd be happy with either one in fantasy football drafts.

 

[todisco1]

I don't think he'll be the first back taken in either the NFL or fantasy drafts, but I really like his overall skill set.

Where do you think he will go, and who do you see going ahead of him?

I think he'll be a 2nd round NFL pick and a top 5 or 6 fantasy pick. Of course if he goes to a great situation he could move up a couple of spots. But I would say Ingram, Green and Julio will go ahead of him in most fantasy drafts, and Mikel Leshoure depending where he goes.

 

[Zaphod]

While I concur with the overall theme of your post, I think you answered most of the criticism people have with Williams. 2009. He only has one year of productivity in college and that was 2 years ago.

My specific concerns with him are his size and balance. IF he can put on some weight and maintain his speed (most people act like this is a given and any athlete can do it) and work on not going down on first contact as much, I do think he can be something really good at the next level.

If he measures a solid 210-15 or so and can run around a 4.45 I think you will see him climb the draft ranks through the combine and heading into the draft.

Honestly, I think we are splitting hairs here because I think he will go in the first in both NFL and fantasy dynasty drafts. He definitely has the skills to be really good.

 

[Spike]

While I concur with the overall theme of your post, I think you answered most of the criticism people have with Williams. 2009. He only has one year of productivity in college and that was 2 years ago.

My specific concerns with him are his size and balance. IF he can put on some weight and maintain his speed (most people act like this is a given and any athlete can do it) and work on not going down on first contact as much, I do think he can be something really good at the next level.

If he measures a solid 210-15 or so and can run around a 4.45 I think you will see him climb the draft ranks through the combine and heading into the draft.

Honestly, I think we are splitting hairs here because I think he will go in the first in both NFL and fantasy dynasty drafts. He definitely has the skills to be really good.

I'd be shocked to see him go in the first round as it seems like RBs are being more and more devalued in the NFL, unless they're the top talents AND if there are teams (like the Chargers, last year, with Ryan Mathews) who are desperate for one.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'd be shocked to see him go in the first round as it seems like RBs are being more and more devalued in the NFL, unless they're the top talents AND if there are teams (like the Chargers, last year, with Ryan Mathews) who are desperate for one.

It seems like on average 3 in the 1st, even now. I think Williams is a top talent, if we look at the one year. I think if he falls, it is because teams need more than the one season, not because of his talent.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I don't see Williams ever being elite. He doesn't seem special in any one area - he is not that big (doesn't shed tacklers, even in ACC), doesn't have great burst, doesn't have a 5th gear. He is good in all those areas, just not great. He has some phonebooth moves but he is not highly elusive. I see a best case scenario as more like McGahee - able to get points if he's the only game in town, but if he's in crowded situation he may never differentiate himself.

Ingram has the goods to be elite. He has elite vision. He is built like a bowling ball and can be tough to bring down. His top speed is only slightly slower than Williams. Worst case scenario for Ingram is Moreno, IMO. Almost regardless of situation. And I think he'll be much better than that.

Leshoure is more of an enigma for me. He's a big bruising back but can catch really well. Great downhill runner. Looks faster than what they guess his 40 will be. If he ends up in a 1-cut system, he could be a stud. If not, it's more of a question mark.

I would take Leshoure over Williams, and add a lot to either of those two to get Ingram.

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't see Williams ever being elite. He doesn't seem special in any one area - he is not that big (doesn't shed tacklers, even in ACC), doesn't have great burst, doesn't have a 5th gear. He is good in all those areas, just not great. He has some phonebooth moves but he is not highly elusive. I see a best case scenario as more like McGahee - able to get points if he's the only game in town, but if he's in crowded situation he may never differentiate himself.

I will have to disagree with you here. I think Williams has great burst, quickness and speed. I think the burst and speed give him the potential to be better than Ingram. The vision seems to be there as well. He doesn't seem to move the pile the way that Ingram can, but there are plenty of clips of him breaking tackles and being very elusive.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Personally, I'd rather have Ingram but I like Williams a lot. I think he'll be a second-round pick in the NFL, maybe a third if teams have other needs and his sophomore effort turned some off.

 

[Reepicheep]

While I concur with the overall theme of your post, I think you answered most of the criticism people have with Williams. 2009. He only has one year of productivity in college and that was 2 years ago.My specific concerns with him are his size and balance. IF he can put on some weight and maintain his speed (most people act like this is a given and any athlete can do it) and work on not going down on first contact as much, I do think he can be something really good at the next level. If he measures a solid 210-15 or so and can run around a 4.45 I think you will see him climb the draft ranks through the combine and heading into the draft.Honestly, I think we are splitting hairs here because I think he will go in the first in both NFL and fantasy dynasty drafts. He definitely has the skills to be really good.

VT here, so take this with a grain of salt. But "going down on first contact" is not really something that would have occured to me about RW. He is not a bruising back, for sure, but he does not lack power and his legs never stop. Maybe my thoughts are too clouded by his incredible 2009 season, I dunno. And, this is the part where I start moping about how he is probably the best RB to ever come through the program and we only really got to enjoy him for one year. :(

 

[thriftyrocker]

I will have to disagree with you here. I think Williams has great burst, quickness and speed. I think the burst and speed give him the potential to be better than Ingram. The vision seems to be there as well. He doesn't seem to move the pile the way that Ingram can, but there are plenty of clips of him breaking tackles and being very elusive.

I think he's a better prospect than 2010's 2nd rounders. He has better moves and more fluid than Tate (but not the same top speed). Hardesty had health concerns coming into 2010 that are worse than Williams'. Gerhart specialized skills needed a perfect situation for fantasy relevance (and he didn't get it IMO). I just don't see him as an elite prospect. It's easy to call Charles elite now (as Waldman compared him to) but Charles has sprinter speed. He ran a 10.2something 100 yard dash. They claim he ran a 4.1 40 at some point. He dropped to the 3rd because he's small and didn't fit the NFL's mold for RB. They still don't want him to fit that mold even as he sets YPC records.Ryan Williams is more just a guy. Good in a lot of areas. Could be productive. Worth picking.

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

To be very brief, Mark Ingram is like Jonathan Stewart as Williams is to Jamaal Charles. Not exactly accurate so I'm sure there will be 40 guys tempted to nitpick the comparison, but that's the most basic deal. You could draft Ingram and have a terrific long-term prospect that never has the kind of season(s) Williams might produce. But Williams lack of resume compared to Ingram's and William's shortened resume make him less of a "sure thing" in the eyes of some NFL types. I'd be happy with either one in fantasy football drafts.

Interesting...where do you see Leshoure in the comparison?

 

[Zaphod]

While I concur with the overall theme of your post, I think you answered most of the criticism people have with Williams. 2009. He only has one year of productivity in college and that was 2 years ago.My specific concerns with him are his size and balance. IF he can put on some weight and maintain his speed (most people act like this is a given and any athlete can do it) and work on not going down on first contact as much, I do think he can be something really good at the next level. If he measures a solid 210-15 or so and can run around a 4.45 I think you will see him climb the draft ranks through the combine and heading into the draft.Honestly, I think we are splitting hairs here because I think he will go in the first in both NFL and fantasy dynasty drafts. He definitely has the skills to be really good.

VT here, so take this with a grain of salt. But "going down on first contact" is not really something that would have occured to me about RW. He is not a bruising back, for sure, but he does not lack power and his legs never stop. Maybe my thoughts are too clouded by his incredible 2009 season, I dunno. And, this is the part where I start moping about how he is probably the best RB to ever come through the program and we only really got to enjoy him for one year. :(

I feel your pain...I just think he has some balance issues from when I watched him play. It's not that he doesn't have power or that he doesn't keep his legs going, but I think he could be a more effective runner after first contact if he improved his balance.ETA: But you are the homer and I am always open to re-evaluating my views on college players - so thanks!

 

[Skeletore Eh]

To be very brief, Mark Ingram is like Jonathan Stewart as Williams is to Jamaal Charles. Not exactly accurate so I'm sure there will be 40 guys tempted to nitpick the comparison, but that's the most basic deal. You could draft Ingram and have a terrific long-term prospect that never has the kind of season(s) Williams might produce. But Williams lack of resume compared to Ingram's and William's shortened resume make him less of a "sure thing" in the eyes of some NFL types. I'd be happy with either one in fantasy football drafts.

Interesting...where do you see Leshoure in the comparison?

I was wondering the same thing. I remember a little while back, Cecil was saying he preferred Leshoure over Ingram. Would also like to hear his thoughts as to how Williams stacks up to those two?

 

[Matt Waldman]

To be very brief, Mark Ingram is like Jonathan Stewart as Williams is to Jamaal Charles. Not exactly accurate so I'm sure there will be 40 guys tempted to nitpick the comparison, but that's the most basic deal. You could draft Ingram and have a terrific long-term prospect that never has the kind of season(s) Williams might produce. But Williams lack of resume compared to Ingram's and William's shortened resume make him less of a "sure thing" in the eyes of some NFL types. I'd be happy with either one in fantasy football drafts.

Interesting...where do you see Leshoure in the comparison?

I was wondering the same thing. I remember a little while back, Cecil was saying he preferred Leshoure over Ingram. Would also like to hear his thoughts as to how Williams stacks up to those two?

He loves both of those guys. LeShoure is more dazzling an athlete than Ingram, but I'm not ready to put him over Ingram as a runner. I still have more to watch of Leshoure than the three games I've studied, but I've seen enough of Ingram to believe he's the best combo of power, balance, maturity, receiving and blocking of the backs I've watched thus far. When I compare Williams to Charles, its not due to speed. It's more due to vision and change of direction. You could compare him to McCoy in this way just as easily. If Williams can continue to take what's given to him and not try too hard to take what he sees, then he'll become a mature NFL runner with starter skills. If not, he'll be a tease. I don't think that will happen though.

 

[BigTex]

I've seen him ranked as high as #1 as low as#3.

He's on my taxi squad and I'm glad to have him.

At the end of the season he seemed to look like his old form.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

To be very brief, Mark Ingram is like Jonathan Stewart as Williams is to Jamaal Charles. Not exactly accurate so I'm sure there will be 40 guys tempted to nitpick the comparison, but that's the most basic deal. You could draft Ingram and have a terrific long-term prospect that never has the kind of season(s) Williams might produce. But Williams lack of resume compared to Ingram's and William's shortened resume make him less of a "sure thing" in the eyes of some NFL types. I'd be happy with either one in fantasy football drafts.

Interesting...where do you see Leshoure in the comparison?

I was wondering the same thing. I remember a little while back, Cecil was saying he preferred Leshoure over Ingram. Would also like to hear his thoughts as to how Williams stacks up to those two?

He loves both of those guys. LeShoure is more dazzling an athlete than Ingram, but I'm not ready to put him over Ingram as a runner. I still have more to watch of Leshoure than the three games I've studied, but I've seen enough of Ingram to believe he's the best combo of power, balance, maturity, receiving and blocking of the backs I've watched thus far. When I compare Williams to Charles, its not due to speed. It's more due to vision and change of direction. You could compare him to McCoy in this way just as easily. If Williams can continue to take what's given to him and not try too hard to take what he sees, then he'll become a mature NFL runner with starter skills. If not, he'll be a tease. I don't think that will happen though.

I actually like the LeSean McCoy comparison a lot, especially when relative to the Jamaal Charles one. What makes Charles great is not only does he have great vision and change of direction, but he has 4.3 speed, get's to full speed quickly, and loses very little speed when he needs to change directions. To the OP, one main reason why Ingram kept a high draft stock this year while Williams' fell is because although Ingram had a 'down' year (by his standards anyway) he still averaged 5.5 yards a carry in the toughest conference in the country. Williams, on the other hand, had a averaged only 4.3 yards per carry against a fairly weak ACC conference. Having said that, I still think Williams can be a good NFL RB, though I rank him behind Ingram and Leshoure.

 

[MAC_32]

I don't think he's tough enough to be a feature back, when he is healthy he looks great but when he's nicked up he plays in slow motion. He's going to be nicked up a whole lot more in the NFL than he was in college.

 

[beerbarron]

Williams had a pretty serious and nagging hamstring injury throughout the year.. hammy's are like turf toes in that they, to non football people, dont sound like a serious injury but really decrease an athetes explosiveness and ability to cut..

His 09 season was impressive.. not sure it he is an elite NFL rb prospect but he is young and should only get better..

Let the early picks take the ingrams/greens etc. and perhaps you will get a sleeper a little bit later in rookie draft with williams..

 

[shader]

I get the point of the OP.

Ingram had some injuries and therefore wasn't as good in 2010 as he was in 2009. So why not give Ryan Williams the same benefit of the doubt.

I think the problem is that Willams fell off of a cliff, in terms of production.

But I don't know his situation and how bad he was injured. If he had a serious hamstring problem for most of the year, then I have no problem sweeping his 2010 season under the rug.

I still wouldn't put him ahead of Ingram or LeShoure at this point.

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't think he's tough enough to be a feature back, when he is healthy he looks great but when he's nicked up he plays in slow motion. He's going to be nicked up a whole lot more in the NFL than he was in college.

He was nicked up during this RS Freshman season, as anyone would be with that many carries, but he played through it (well). In the bowl game, he hurt his ankle twice, and didn't miss much time - came right back in.

 

[gump]

I have to wonder if he can't be the first running back of the board. Ingram is getting a pass for his dip in production, which is chalked up to injury, but Williams doesn't seem to have that luxury in the eyes of Mel Kiper all the way down to the Shark Pool, and most in-between.

They both have shown impressive ceilings from '09...Ingram with 2000 and 20 TDs (rare in the SEC) and Williams with 1800 and 22 TDs. (not sure about ACC).Does a much-publicized pre-season knee surgery weigh than in-season issues?

 

[DansRams]

Good call C Coop. IMO, Ryan Williams is easily the most underrated player in this years draft (from a FF perspective especially). He is better than any RB in last years draft, but is likely to go 1.05/1.06 at best and will very possibly be the #3 RB in this years dynasty rookie drafts behind Leshoure and Ingram. The kid had a bad hamstring injury last year and showed toughness in trying to play through it...his coaches should have shut him down for 4-5 weeks to let it heal.

When I watch him play I see very good top end speed, a great quick burst, outstanding laterall quickness, and the ability to break tackles (and ankles). He runs with solid power, can run in between the tackles and outside, and he catches the ball well out of the backfield. What is not to like?

The ONLY question in my mind is does he have the size to be a 3 down back. He needs to weigh in at a minimum of 205. I would prefer to see 210. I think he could and should get to 215 with an NFL training program...plus he is only 21 so he will add a bit more "man" size.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?

I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

 

[BigTex]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?

I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

http://www.gobblercountry.com/2010/9/18/16...es-running-backIMHO, he's a stud.

 

[MAC_32]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past.

 

[DansRams]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past.

He had a major hamstring injury this year that would impact anyone.....name one other injury that he hasn't played through

 

[MAC_32]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past.

He had a major hamstring injury this year that would impact anyone.....name one other injury that he hasn't played through

Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits. He can out run college kids, but you need a lot more than that in the pros. I don't think he's tough enough to do that, could be an interesting scat back though.

 

[DansRams]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past.

He had a major hamstring injury this year that would impact anyone.....name one other injury that he hasn't played through

Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits. He can out run college kids, but you need a lot more than that in the pros. I don't think he's tough enough to do that, could be an interesting scat back though.

So you can't give an example of other injuries? So you change your arguement to "Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits."....Was this a 2010 or 2009 observation?...and please provide some examples, because I did not see that at all in 09...in 10 we already know he had a significant hamstring injury.

 

[onlyseventeenpoints?]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past.

He had a major hamstring injury this year that would impact anyone.....name one other injury that he hasn't played through

Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits. He can out run college kids, but you need a lot more than that in the pros. I don't think he's tough enough to do that, could be an interesting scat back though.

So you can't give an example of other injuries? So you change your arguement to "Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits."....Was this a 2010 or 2009 observation?...and please provide some examples, because I did not see that at all in 09...in 10 we already know he had a significant hamstring injury.

how significant was the injury? Did he tear his hamstring?

 

[MAC_32]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past.

He had a major hamstring injury this year that would impact anyone.....name one other injury that he hasn't played through

Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits. He can out run college kids, but you need a lot more than that in the pros. I don't think he's tough enough to do that, could be an interesting scat back though.

So you can't give an example of other injuries? So you change your arguement to "Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits."....Was this a 2010 or 2009 observation?...and please provide some examples, because I did not see that at all in 09...in 10 we already know he had a significant hamstring injury.

I recommend watching more of his games because this happened frequently. He's a change of pace back that would be a good pick in the 4th round or so because he has that game breaking ability, he isn't a lead horse though. Given their likely values on draft day I'd much rather have Daniel Thomas, Quizz, Dion Lewis, or Delone Carter. Waldman has me interested in Powell too, haven't seen any of him though.

 

[DansRams]

how significant was the injury? Did he tear his hamstring?

Slight tear..yes...and worst of all he kept reaggravating it because he kept trying to play. So am I to assume you are basing your whole opinion on 2010?

 

[onlyseventeenpoints?]

Slight tear..yes...and worst of all he kept reaggravating it because he kept trying to play. So am I to assume you are basing your whole opinion on 2010?

Eats my opinion on Williams? I don't knkw a thing about him and wanted know how bad his injury was. Should I not ask next time?

 

[BigTex]

LOL, let me post this again!

http://www.gobblercountry.com/2010/9/18/16...es-running-back

You ask about an injury and not even look at the response?

 

[DansRams]

Slight tear..yes...and worst of all he kept reaggravating it because he kept trying to play. So am I to assume you are basing your whole opinion on 2010?

Eats my opinion on Williams? I don't knkw a thing about him and wanted know how bad his injury was. Should I not ask next time?

I was responding to Mac_32 not you. He had previously stated "Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past"Therefore my question

 

[MAC_32]

Slight tear..yes...and worst of all he kept reaggravating it because he kept trying to play. So am I to assume you are basing your whole opinion on 2010?

Eats my opinion on Williams? I don't knkw a thing about him and wanted know how bad his injury was. Should I not ask next time?

I was responding to Mac_32 not you. He had previously stated "Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past"Therefore my question

I'm not talking about just 2010.

 

[BigTex]

At what point did Ryan Williams get hurt? Was it before the season started?I remember watching him in week 1 of 2010 and thinking "this guy is supposed to be an elite NFL prospect"?

Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past.

He had a major hamstring injury this year that would impact anyone.....name one other injury that he hasn't played through

Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits. He can out run college kids, but you need a lot more than that in the pros. I don't think he's tough enough to do that, could be an interesting scat back though.

So you can't give an example of other injuries? So you change your arguement to "Too often he slowed down as the game went on and/or played tentatively after some hits."....Was this a 2010 or 2009 observation?...and please provide some examples, because I did not see that at all in 09...in 10 we already know he had a significant hamstring injury.

If you actually watch this guy play before the injury then there would be no question as to how good he can be! IIRC he broke some records too!!!Giddy Up!ETA: "Williams set a school record with 1,655 yards in 2009, which also set the ACC's freshman rushing record. His 21 rushing touchdowns tied the NCAA freshman record."

 

[onlyseventeenpoints?]

Slight tear..yes...and worst of all he kept reaggravating it because he kept trying to play. So am I to assume you are basing your whole opinion on 2010?

Eats my opinion on Williams? I don't knkw a thing about him and wanted know how bad his injury was. Should I not ask next time?

I was responding to Mac_32 not you. He had previously stated "Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past"Therefore my question

Ok cool was confused since you quoted me

 

[onlyseventeenpoints?]

LOL, let me post this again!

http://www.gobblercountry.com/2010/9/18/16...es-running-back

You ask about an injury and not even look at the response?

Feel free to show me where they definitively said what the injury was.

 

[MAC_32]

LOL, let me post this again!

http://www.gobblercountry.com/2010/9/18/16...es-running-back

You ask about an injury and not even look at the response?

Feel free to show me where they definitively said what the injury was.

Most college teams don't offer up that info, usually have to wait until NFL doctors start poking and prodding. I don't think Va Tech ever disclosed it, but the rumors I read were a grade 2 tear.

 

[DansRams]

Slight tear..yes...and worst of all he kept reaggravating it because he kept trying to play. So am I to assume you are basing your whole opinion on 2010?

Eats my opinion on Williams? I don't knkw a thing about him and wanted know how bad his injury was. Should I not ask next time?

I was responding to Mac_32 not you. He had previously stated "Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past"Therefore my question

I'm not talking about just 2010.

So...in 09 he went for 293/1655/21td's and throw in 16 catches for 180 yds and one more td. If he did that while being "Off and on hurt"....call me even more impressedBTW...for extra credit he never fumbled in college.If you have some facts, I'd really like to hear them as I am pretty high on the guy and I'm probably going to draft him...He is just 20yrs old and produced those 09 numbers at 19. Hard to find reasons not to like him, but if you have some...let me know.

 

[onlyseventeenpoints?]

LOL, let me post this again!

http://www.gobblercountry.com/2010/9/18/16...es-running-back

You ask about an injury and not even look at the response?

Feel free to show me where they definitively said what the injury was.

Most college teams don't offer up that info, usually have to wait until NFL doctors start poking and prodding. I don't think Va Tech ever disclosed it, but the rumors I read were a grade 2 tear.

So.you can't? Ok then.

 

[MAC_32]

Slight tear..yes...and worst of all he kept reaggravating it because he kept trying to play. So am I to assume you are basing your whole opinion on 2010?

Eats my opinion on Williams? I don't knkw a thing about him and wanted know how bad his injury was. Should I not ask next time?

I was responding to Mac_32 not you. He had previously stated "Off and on hurt throughout his career, if he wants to be a feature back he has to run through more of the bumps and bruises that he hasn't in the past"Therefore my question

I'm not talking about just 2010.

So...in 09 he went for 293/1655/21td's and throw in 16 catches for 180 yds and one more td. If he did that while being "Off and on hurt"....call me even more impressedBTW...for extra credit he never fumbled in college.If you have some facts, I'd really like to hear them as I am pretty high on the guy and I'm probably going to draft him...He is just 20yrs old and produced those 09 numbers at 19. Hard to find reasons not to like him, but if you have some...let me know.

I don't think drafting based off raw numbers would be a good idea, I'm just writing what I saw, he looks great in small doses but smack him around a little bit and it effects his game. This will obviously happen a lot more in the NFL than it did in college. What I saw reminded way too much of Beanie, the raw numbers look great but how he went about getting them does not leave me comfortable with targeting him early. He's the type of athlete I love to target late because of his upside, but am not basing my draft around him - too much risk. I don't like to draft risks early, I draft them later. Feel free to disregard and root for your team to draft him and target him in your drafts, but I won't.

 

[BigTex]

"how significant was the injury? Did he tear his hamstring?"

"Slight tear..yes...and worst of all he kept reaggravating it because he kept trying to play. So am I to assume you are basing your whole opinion on 2010?"

#1. We really don't know if it was a "Slight tear or not because an MRI was never done but the opinion of a FREAKIN TRAINER!:

The injury appeared far worse as Williams lay on the field for several moments, and then struggled to put any pressure on his right leg as trainers immediately took him to the locker room. Afterward, Coach Frank Beamer said Williams's right hamstring had been bothering him this past week in practice, but added that athletic trainer Mike Goforth indicated the injury was "not real, real serious."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hokies-jo...t_in_virgi.html

So he was bothered by the hamstring during practice and they still put him out there instead of letting him rest and get healthy?!?!?!

#2. There was no MRI?!?!?! Are you kidding me!

Darryl Slater reports that trainer Mike Goforth said Williams will not undergo an MRI tomorrow. Maybe we got all worked up over nothing.

http://www.gobblercountry.com/2010/9/18/16...es-running-back

I'm speechless right now!!

#3. Because there was no MRI on Williams they only called it a "hamstring injury"

But the sophomore had to be helped off the field in the second quarter after suffering a hamstring injury.

http://www.nbc29.com/story/13180740/willia...s-up-for-hokieshere:

Williams has been hampered by a hamstring injury that’s kept him out of the past three games, but is listed as questionable on today’s injury report.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...s-injury-front/here:

He capped off the season with 117 rushing yards in the Chick-fil-A Bowl win over Tennessee to earn the game’s Offensive MVP award. He missed several games this year due to a hamstring injury.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/20110109aaa.htmland here:

Williams, 20, ranked fourth on the team in 2010 with 477 yards rushing, and second among running backs with nine touchdowns after missing four games due to a hamstring injury.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/s...d-to-NFL-010911and when he came back he wasn't 100%:

Another factor that weighs heavily on Williams's decision is the nagging hamstring injury that almost kept him out of Monday's Orange Bowl. During his session with reporters last week, Williams was already speculating that the re-aggravation of the hamstring injury that forced him to miss four games earlier in the year would be held against him.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hokies-jo...lliams_dec.html

All these reports were at least a month after the injury and all they can say is that it was a "hamstring injury" because there was no MRI performed. For those that say he can't play injured or is not tough enough for the NFL haven't been paying attention.

Giddy Up!!

 

[BigTex]

LOL, let me post this again!

http://www.gobblercountry.com/2010/9/18/16...es-running-back

You ask about an injury and not even look at the response?

Feel free to show me where they definitively said what the injury was.

That's it, we don't know the extent of the injury because an MRI was not performed. So can we question what a person's pain tolerance is if we don't have all the facts? They originally said it was torn and he'd be out for the season but then later said it's not that serious yet they didn't not perform the MRI. So it's confusing to me how VT could blunder something like this.