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This is the exact type of thing that Lenny Bruce was trying to warn us about.

 
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NFL is completely rigged, Patriots* are the example I point to when I discuss this sort of thing.

 
I don't think the NFL is totally rigged...but that call in the Detroit/Arizona game on the reverse/fumble has to make you think NBA Officials. That's for sure.

That is easily the worst call all year...I walked away while the ref was in the booth because after seeing the replay there was no f'in way the ground didn't cause that fumble. I came back to a commercial and switched to the CHI game and a minute later I saw the possession switch to Arizona on NFL.com. Was there any explanation? If not, that ref is either in on the fix or just plain blind.

 
I heard if the Writer's Strike is not settled the season will be cancelled after week 15.

 
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trader jake said:
Pat Patriot said:
taco breath said:
when av missed that fg last nite the guy next to me said the NFL is rigged.what do you think? :football:
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When he missed it I thought, " theres another watched up kicker". The Patriots made the right call not giving him the money that he wanted.
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Last years playoffs down? The Ravens probably feel differently.GB Patriot fans turning every thread into their own personal toilet.
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I think he was kidding.GB fans of other NFL teams who blindly and blissfully ignore negative comments about NE but feel obliged to comment to the above... :hey:
 
thatguythere said:
I don't think the NFL is totally rigged...but that call in the Detroit/Arizona game on the reverse/fumble has to make you think NBA Officials. That's for sure.That is easily the worst call all year...I walked away while the ref was in the booth because after seeing the replay there was no f'in way the ground didn't cause that fumble. I came back to a commercial and switched to the CHI game and a minute later I saw the possession switch to Arizona on NFL.com. Was there any explanation? If not, that ref is either in on the fix or just plain blind.
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Yes, that call was terrible. The Ball Clearly pops out once his elbow hit the ground. That whole game was called bad. I hope that crew gets a failing grade.
 
So the NFL wanted the team to win that ranks in the bottom 10 of sales over the team in the top 5 in sales?

 
No. It's not becuase they're morally superior or anything like that. It's for the oldest reason in the book: It would be bad for business.

And it's a VERY profitable business. The powers that be realize they have a golden goose. They will do pretty much anything to protect that goose. And that means keeping un rigged.

J

 
Joe Bryant said:
No. It's not becuase they're morally superior or anything like that. It's for the oldest reason in the book: It would be bad for business. And it's a VERY profitable business. The powers that be realize they have a golden goose. They will do pretty much anything to protect that goose. And that means keeping un rigged.J
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As always, you are the voice of reasoning. $ talks....cheaters walk...or something like that.
 
The FG doesn't make me think the NFL is rigged. But every so often the refs blow a call even with the assistance of instant replay that casts doubt in my mind.

 
The most compelling argument for a rigged NFL is that the most bet upon regular season game in ages ended up under an O/U that slid upwards all week, the undefeated underdog lost the game but beat the spread, while the road favorite who had been running up the score failed to cover the spread for the first time all season, while missing the most popular teasers and super teasers (Patriots and the over, Colts and the over, and even the teaser of Patriots and the under, and Patriots in the first half, and Patriots in the first, second and third quarters) after multiple calls that were later questioned.

I don't think the NFL's rigged, but it's certainly possible that individual games are tainted, and it's certainly possible that it's "good for business" for the NFL or individual refs to make small adjustments to games when there's a massive gambling market out there.

 
Rogi said:
The FG doesn't make me think the NFL is rigged. But every so often the refs blow a call even with the assistance of instant replay that casts doubt in my mind.
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I'm sure the occasional blown call has nothing to do with the fact that they are human beings.
 
thayman said:
Rogi said:
The FG doesn't make me think the NFL is rigged. But every so often the refs blow a call even with the assistance of instant replay that casts doubt in my mind.
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I'm sure the occasional blown call has nothing to do with the fact that they are human beings.
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I'm talking about instant replay calls that are obvious when reviewed where even the announcers see it yet the ref will miss it.
 
Rogi said:
thayman said:
Rogi said:
The FG doesn't make me think the NFL is rigged. But every so often the refs blow a call even with the assistance of instant replay that casts doubt in my mind.
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I'm sure the occasional blown call has nothing to do with the fact that they are human beings.
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I'm talking about instant replay calls that are obvious when reviewed where even the announcers see it yet the ref will miss it.
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It has to be 100% irrefutable[sp] evidence, officials make mistakes in sports.
 
thayman said:
Rogi said:
thayman said:
Rogi said:
The FG doesn't make me think the NFL is rigged. But every so often the refs blow a call even with the assistance of instant replay that casts doubt in my mind.
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I'm sure the occasional blown call has nothing to do with the fact that they are human beings.
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I'm talking about instant replay calls that are obvious when reviewed where even the announcers see it yet the ref will miss it.
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It has to be 100% irrefutable[sp] evidence, officials make mistakes in sports.
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You're missing my point. Never mind.
 
Couldn't Joe's statement also apply to NFL gambling?

It's a very profitable business(Vegas is still around). The powers that be realize they have a golden goose. They will pretty much do anything to protect that goose(loose lips sink ships).

Its as if some of you expect Vinatieri to say he purposely missed the kick last night because he was told to. He didn't say that...so then it must be real.

We don't have definitive proof one way or another if the NFL is fixed or not, but to say every game is legit is naive. When there is that much money at stake every Sunday, nothing would suprise me. I think some of you don't want to believe it.

 
DropKick said:
trader jake said:
Pat Patriot said:
taco breath said:
when av missed that fg last nite the guy next to me said the NFL is rigged.what do you think? :thumbup:
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When he missed it I thought, " theres another watched up kicker". The Patriots made the right call not giving him the money that he wanted.
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Last years playoffs down? The Ravens probably feel differently.GB Patriot fans turning every thread into their own personal toilet.
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I think he was kidding.
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You haven't read many of his posts, have you?Anyway, J says it all. Of course the NBA falls under the same guidleines and their game was tainted by at least one cheating ref.
 
how could you even question if it was rigged, the spread was Indy -3.5, so they don't cover either way. The over/under was 48.5, which if the FG goes through, it's still 47.

Being bitter about your team losing is one thing, but support it with some facts.

 
Rogi said:
bostonfred said:
...there's a massive gambling market out there.
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I'm going to out on a limb here and guess you're part of it.
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I don't really bet sports. If I'm out in Vegas on a fall Sunday I'll bet a small amount on whatever game is on that weekend, I'll put a bet on the Pats to win the Superbowl, or the Red Sox to win the World Series, or maybe pick in an office pool, but I'm nowhere near the average sports bettor here.
 
Joe Bryant said:
No. It's not becuase they're morally superior or anything like that. It's for the oldest reason in the book: It would be bad for business. J
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I think you're right, but if that's the reason wouldn't it stand to reason at some point some player(let's say a CB that isn't usually good enough to get in a game but is forced to start because of an injury) at some point gets paid off to "blow a coverage" or fall down at a key time in an NFL game? If you're a 29y/o backup CB in the NFL there aren't likely a lot of BIG paychecks left in your career. If you were offered a huge sum of $ wouldn't it be good business for you to take the $? The other example of players that would seem likely to take a payoff would be older PK's that play a position that isn't typically one of the higher paid positions in the NFL and you're at the end of your career anyway.
 
I'm sure there has been, and will be, plenty of players/refs/organizations that have been, or will be, paid off in one form or another to "swing" a game/season in a certain direction. Good luck finding the guilty party, so just enjoy the game.

 
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Vinetiari is going to make that kind of FG 95% of the time. That means he will miss it 5% of the time. Why is it so shocking that a 19-1 shot comes in? It happens every day in horse racing. The NFL has literally billions of dollars riding on the integrity of the league. They have every interest in protecting that integrity. There could be individual players or refs that get bought off, but the NFL would take every action that they possibly could against anybody that was caught doing that including permenantly banning them from the game and encouraging the authorities to prosecute as aggressively as they can. Referees get every play reviewed by the league. They couldn't screw with very many calls before they are out of a job. So, no, the NFL is not rigged.

 
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Well we have proof about the NBA refs, the Blacksox saga is well known, I know for a fact my high school football coach once ran up the score a little so that we'd cover... I think it'd be a little naive to believe every NFL game has been above board.

However, I think it's rare & that's good enough for me.

I have a friend (bit of a conspiracy nut anyway) that loves to hit the slots. He refuses to put anything on an NFL game because he thinks it's all rigged... my answer is "what difference does it make?" Even if the game's fixed on way or another, WE DON"T KNOW which way it's rigged, so it's still a 50/50 bet!

 
Joe Bryant said:
No. It's not becuase they're morally superior or anything like that. It's for the oldest reason in the book: It would be bad for business. And it's a VERY profitable business. The powers that be realize they have a golden goose. They will do pretty much anything to protect that goose. And that means keeping un rigged.J
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Like we can trust you. You're on the inside track with these guys, profitting off of their successes. Your future as much tied to the "legitimacy" of the league as anyone else in the NFL. Without a legit league to play fantasy games with, you'd be stuck making boats all day.Nice try there, guy, but we're not buying your corporate spin job this time.
 
No, they do not allow a Las Vegas franchise. Therefore, the players have no urge or desire to throw a game. Problem solved.

 
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Well we have proof about the NBA refs, the Blacksox saga is well known, I know for a fact my high school football coach once ran up the score a little so that we'd cover... I think it'd be a little naive to believe every NFL game has been above board.

However, I think it's rare & that's good enough for me.

I have a friend (bit of a conspiracy nut anyway) that loves to hit the slots. He refuses to put anything on an NFL game because he thinks it's all rigged... my answer is "what difference does it make?" Even if the game's fixed on way or another, WE DON"T KNOW which way it's rigged, so it's still a 50/50 bet!
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:goodposting: Being a handicapper for several years, I've been on the receiving end of some pretty lucky and unlucky beats. I'm not necessarily sure that games are actually dictated in the W/L column by refs...but Over/Unders?? Why not? Useless scores in the 4th quarter called back or meaningless illegal contacts...I'm not convinced that it is, but I definately would not be surprised if it somehow surfaced. I am sure entire organizations are not incahoots w/ Vegas, but certain refs or players....perhaps. Don't be so blind as how it couldn't happen in the NFL - see MLB and NBA.
 
thatguythere said:
I don't think the NFL is totally rigged...but that call in the Detroit/Arizona game on the reverse/fumble has to make you think NBA Officials. That's for sure.That is easily the worst call all year...I walked away while the ref was in the booth because after seeing the replay there was no f'in way the ground didn't cause that fumble. I came back to a commercial and switched to the CHI game and a minute later I saw the possession switch to Arizona on NFL.com. Was there any explanation? If not, that ref is either in on the fix or just plain blind.
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It was truly appalling. as was the play on Roy's first td where he had no choice but to catch it one-handed because the DB was yanking on his other arm...while the ump 3 feet away never even made a move for his flag. Or Jared Devries getting blatantly tackled as he was just about to sack Warner - and the numerous tackles/holds on shaun rogers. the officiating was nauseatingly one-sided and just plain awful all day long. I've honestly never seen anything like it. Some of it was just SO bad you can't help but think something was awry. We were literally stunned when McDonald's fumble stood...and of course mooch et al mumbled their way through that on Total Access and said it was a good call. Whoever was with Eisen tonight though was the first on NFLN i've heard call it what it was: a terrible call.
 
I have a co-worker who presented this theory.

Vinatieri = ex Patriot.

Patriots = been caught cheating

Vinatieri = now a Colt

Colts = biggest threat to keep Patriots out of SuperBowl.

What if? Vinatieri was a spy put in place to blow a few kicks especially if the Colts/Patriots face off in the AFC championship game?

Vinatieri = still on the Patriots payroll?

LOL, hey it could happen....................

All in fun, I had to share this one. My co-worker thinks everything is rigged!

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