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In the last couple of weeks my wife, 2 of my neighbors, 2 coworkers have all had fraudulent activity on their credit card and now today I get the call from my bank. What is going on here? I only use this card at 5 or 6 places and am pretty careful with this one. I know this is always a concern and have had this happen before in the past but never so many in such a short period of time. Anyone else noticing this disturbing "trend"?

 
These kind of low life scum bags deserve to go away forever when they're caught. Along with computer hackers, identity thieves who are to effing lazy to earn a living. Put them on a boat with rapists and child molestors and sink it.

 
I know that in 2014 I had my card replaced twice for fraudulent activity. The second time the bank caught some very small charges that weren't mine before i even saw them myself. And I do check the statements carefully.

 
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These kind of low life scum bags deserve to go away forever when they're caught. Along with computer hackers, identity thieves who are to effing lazy to earn a living. Put them on a boat with rapists and child molestors and sink it.
that would make a decent tv show

 
The international aspect of the fraud just sucks. There are entire cities where it is the local economy.

We need to sacrifice speed and convenience for some safety.

 
Seems like it.

Got a new credit card last October. Went out of the country that December. Had to pass through Seoul on the way home and had an 8 hour layover. Only used my card 2 or 3 times at places inside the airport. Within 2 weeks after getting back from vacation I had like 4 or 5 small eBay charges from Seoul. All for around $20-$35. Seems like they were trying to avoid being noticed.

 
The Big Guy said:
The international aspect of the fraud just sucks. There are entire cities where it is the local economy.

We need to sacrifice speed and convenience for some safety.
Which cities?

 
New technology is helping. The people that take the brunt of the the loss is the merchants. Banks will charge back fraudulent charges which leaves them holding the bag. The all need to do a much better job of checking ID. The new chip technology helps. I get an email from AMEX for any purchase where the card is not present. Very helpful in my opinion.

 
New technology is helping. The people that take the brunt of the the loss is the merchants. Banks will charge back fraudulent charges which leaves them holding the bag. The all need to do a much better job of checking ID. The new chip technology helps. I get an email from AMEX for any purchase where the card is not present. Very helpful in my opinion.
BS. Chip and signature is a joke and is no more secure. Why we can't do Chip and PIN which is what Europe does I will never understand.

The fact of the matter is I sign all my credit card transactions with 'Mickey Mouse' and have never once been asked about it. Signature means nothing, absolutely nothing. I have a coworker who has signed 'FRAUD' in huge letters with no response.

As long as the US relies on only one form of authentication (having a card with active CC numbers) and refuses to implement a second form of authentication (PIN), CC fraud will continue.

 
Fraud has definitely increased ...my university has seen a tremendous increase in fraud on employees' corporate cards.

I agree that we need a stronger system tied to chips and PINs.

 
New technology is helping. The people that take the brunt of the the loss is the merchants. Banks will charge back fraudulent charges which leaves them holding the bag. The all need to do a much better job of checking ID. The new chip technology helps. I get an email from AMEX for any purchase where the card is not present. Very helpful in my opinion.
BS. Chip and signature is a joke and is no more secure. Why we can't do Chip and PIN which is what Europe does I will never understand.

The fact of the matter is I sign all my credit card transactions with 'Mickey Mouse' and have never once been asked about it. Signature means nothing, absolutely nothing. I have a coworker who has signed 'FRAUD' in huge letters with no response.

As long as the US relies on only one form of authentication (having a card with active CC numbers) and refuses to implement a second form of authentication (PIN), CC fraud will continue.
The signatures are never reviewed unless there is a claim. You can write whatever you want on there and unless the clerk at the store says "WTF" it will never be an issue.

The chips absolutely will help but it surely will not magically fix the problem.

 
My card was used online a few weeks ago. I have no idea how they got the number as I never used the card. I only had it for about a month and it was a replacement for a previous fraudulent purchase.

 
New technology is helping. The people that take the brunt of the the loss is the merchants. Banks will charge back fraudulent charges which leaves them holding the bag. The all need to do a much better job of checking ID. The new chip technology helps. I get an email from AMEX for any purchase where the card is not present. Very helpful in my opinion.
BS. Chip and signature is a joke and is no more secure. Why we can't do Chip and PIN which is what Europe does I will never understand.

The fact of the matter is I sign all my credit card transactions with 'Mickey Mouse' and have never once been asked about it. Signature means nothing, absolutely nothing. I have a coworker who has signed 'FRAUD' in huge letters with no response.

As long as the US relies on only one form of authentication (having a card with active CC numbers) and refuses to implement a second form of authentication (PIN), CC fraud will continue.
You have no idea what you are talking about. First, one of the primary ways to steal account info is to run the real card, copy the magnetic strip, then create a duplicate card. Once the card readers are fully implemented (i forgot the date but it is looming) then the transaction will not go through without the chip. Second see my point above, retailers that don't take this seriously are being charged back. The more fraud the more they lose. losses will drive a change of behavior or they will just chalk it up to a cost of doing business. Last, you don't think an email, which i can set to every time the card is used if i prefer, is helpful? Sounds like you need a new CC provider.

 
EMV - "chip and pin" or "chip and signature"

these new standards coming out this fall should help curb CC fraud.

 
New technology is helping. The people that take the brunt of the the loss is the merchants. Banks will charge back fraudulent charges which leaves them holding the bag. The all need to do a much better job of checking ID. The new chip technology helps. I get an email from AMEX for any purchase where the card is not present. Very helpful in my opinion.
BS. Chip and signature is a joke and is no more secure. Why we can't do Chip and PIN which is what Europe does I will never understand.

The fact of the matter is I sign all my credit card transactions with 'Mickey Mouse' and have never once been asked about it. Signature means nothing, absolutely nothing. I have a coworker who has signed 'FRAUD' in huge letters with no response.

As long as the US relies on only one form of authentication (having a card with active CC numbers) and refuses to implement a second form of authentication (PIN), CC fraud will continue.
He's talking about the people who duplicate the cards, not stealing the actual cards. The duplicate cards would then not have the chip, and it would deny the charge.

Edit: Ah he beat me to it and already replied. Carry on.

 
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Signatures don't mean anything with card purchases, I don't know why they still make you sign it anymore. Hand written check are a different matter and that's why they are usually required and why I always use them for large down payments.

 
The Big Guy said:
The international aspect of the fraud just sucks. There are entire cities where it is the local economy.

We need to sacrifice speed and convenience for some safety.
Which cities?
Can't link from phone, but ramnicu valcea Romania was given the nickname hackerville for the sheer amount of fraud processed by the town.This might be really old story I am relaying,but I believe stuff like this still happens.

 
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Yes. People are committing more fraud ahead of all issuers moving to the chip technology. If you have a stolen #, now is the time to use it or lose it.

 
Seems like my dad's card gets digitally stolen at least once a year. His credit card company always fixes the situation for him

Not sure why it has happened to him like 5 times but never to me. Strange/

 
My card was used online a few weeks ago. I have no idea how they got the number as I never used the card. I only had it for about a month and it was a replacement for a previous fraudulent purchase.
I have seen this recently, including my wifes card. No idea how this is happening.

 
My card was used online a few weeks ago. I have no idea how they got the number as I never used the card. I only had it for about a month and it was a replacement for a previous fraudulent purchase.
I have seen this recently, including my wifes card. No idea how this is happening.
The card was declined, but I would think Chase had to be hacked for them to get the number.

 
An easy way to curb this is to use cash as much as possible and avoid opening lines of credit. More cards means more chances of fraud.

 
An easy way to curb this is to use cash as much as possible and avoid opening lines of credit. More cards means more chances of fraud.
I don't get this. Have you been responsible for any fraudulent charges? The credit card company has negated and/or credited any fraudulent charges in my experience. The only disadvantage is to wait 2-5 days for a new card to arrive.

ETA: To clarify, I see this as completely different than identity theft, where using cash and locking down the SS# is necessary. Fraudulent transactions on a CC are a bank problem, and a minor nuisance to me, in my experience.

 
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Wife just had her cc account used for $300+ at some random grocery store a few days ago.

She got a letter today from Hershey Park (she was there a couple of months ago and used that card) saying that someone had put some virus on their system that collected cc info and to watch your account for suspicious activity. Thanks. Such a pain.

 
The shark move to protect yourself without major inconvenience is to not have things auto billing a card and just request replacement cards from your issuers annually. This keeps you in a fresh card number and takes all old ones out of play. The longer you have a card, the more likely it is that the hackers will attempt to use it. I honestly feel that the hackers (collectively) have 9 out of 10 of the card numbers in use and just haven't sold them off or gotten to attempted to use them yet.

 
An easy way to curb this is to use cash as much as possible and avoid opening lines of credit. More cards means more chances of fraud.
I don't get this. Have you been responsible for any fraudulent charges? The credit card company has negated and/or credited any fraudulent charges in my experience. The only disadvantage is to wait 2-5 days for a new card to arrive.

ETA: To clarify, I see this as completely different than identity theft, where using cash and locking down the SS# is necessary. Fraudulent transactions on a CC are a bank problem, and a minor nuisance to me, in my experience.
Correct. The right move is to use your rewards credit card for all purchases and pay it off in full every month. No cost to you- you get $ back every month for making the purchases you would make anyways with nothing back via cash or debit card.

If you credit card is compromised, you call and make a claim. They kill the card and send you a new one while they work on the claim. In the meantime, you could use cash or debit or another rewards credit card for that week or two it takes to get the new card.

I use my rewards credit card like my debit and because I do that, I get an extra $15-30 every month- for doing nothing but making purchases with that card that I would have made otherwise anyways. I don't understand why people freak out more than they need to- you are covered against fraud activity.

 
New technology is helping. The people that take the brunt of the the loss is the merchants. Banks will charge back fraudulent charges which leaves them holding the bag. The all need to do a much better job of checking ID. The new chip technology helps. I get an email from AMEX for any purchase where the card is not present. Very helpful in my opinion.
BS. Chip and signature is a joke and is no more secure. Why we can't do Chip and PIN which is what Europe does I will never understand.

The fact of the matter is I sign all my credit card transactions with 'Mickey Mouse' and have never once been asked about it. Signature means nothing, absolutely nothing. I have a coworker who has signed 'FRAUD' in huge letters with no response.

As long as the US relies on only one form of authentication (having a card with active CC numbers) and refuses to implement a second form of authentication (PIN), CC fraud will continue.
You have no idea what you are talking about. First, one of the primary ways to steal account info is to run the real card, copy the magnetic strip, then create a duplicate card. Once the card readers are fully implemented (i forgot the date but it is looming) then the transaction will not go through without the chip. Second see my point above, retailers that don't take this seriously are being charged back. The more fraud the more they lose. losses will drive a change of behavior or they will just chalk it up to a cost of doing business. Last, you don't think an email, which i can set to every time the card is used if i prefer, is helpful? Sounds like you need a new CC provider.
New technology is helping. The people that take the brunt of the the loss is the merchants. Banks will charge back fraudulent charges which leaves them holding the bag. The all need to do a much better job of checking ID. The new chip technology helps. I get an email from AMEX for any purchase where the card is not present. Very helpful in my opinion.
BS. Chip and signature is a joke and is no more secure. Why we can't do Chip and PIN which is what Europe does I will never understand.

The fact of the matter is I sign all my credit card transactions with 'Mickey Mouse' and have never once been asked about it. Signature means nothing, absolutely nothing. I have a coworker who has signed 'FRAUD' in huge letters with no response.

As long as the US relies on only one form of authentication (having a card with active CC numbers) and refuses to implement a second form of authentication (PIN), CC fraud will continue.
He's talking about the people who duplicate the cards, not stealing the actual cards. The duplicate cards would then not have the chip, and it would deny the charge.

Edit: Ah he beat me to it and already replied. Carry on.
I work in Banking and specifically Information Security.

Duplicate card CC theft will go down with Chips, this is true. The theory behind Chips is great, it creates a unique one time algorithm for each transaction. However this technology was hacked and duplicated almost a year ago and is creating big problems in the EU. At least the POS systems won't contain the full magnetic strip, so this is a big win even if it already has flaws. Most CC fraud takes place online anyway, and rarely with duplicate cards.

The other problem is, every country that has implemented Chips has seen a rise in online (card not present) fraud because there's no change to this type of transaction. After October 1, 2015 (implementation deadline), I will still enter my 16 digit CC number, CVV, and exp date to buy a crappy Prime Day product on Amazon.com. All information contained on the physical card.

The EU went to Chips years ago (we are the last G20 country to implement Chip technology), but they also went to Chip and PIN instead of just Chip and signature. This means everytime the CC is used the owner must enter a PIN. So even a lost card can't be used without knowing the PIN and my crappy Amazon.com Prime day order would need a PIN.

For some reason the Payment Card Industry decided not to implement Chip and PIN. Myself and many in the industry believe this was a mistake and that the implementation of Chip and signature will not significantly reduce CC fraud in the long run.

What do I really care though, I will never have a shortage of work.

 
The shark move to protect yourself without major inconvenience is to not have things auto billing a card and just request replacement cards from your issuers annually. This keeps you in a fresh card number and takes all old ones out of play. The longer you have a card, the more likely it is that the hackers will attempt to use it.
Over the years I've noticed the exposure windows have shortened on compromise alerts. Usually they are within a year and often within the previous few months. No doubt having a fresh card number certainly reduces the odds some but, for me, it wouldn't be worth the hassle.

Edit: And I like getting the rewards and the convenience of auto billing my card for my cable bill, cell phone, gym membership, Netflix, etc.

 
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Yes. People are committing more fraud ahead of all issuers moving to the chip technology. If you have a stolen #, now is the time to use it or lose it.
Makes sense ... this might well account for a recent surge.

To add to that, though: it seems to me that some flip was switched somewhere around 2010-12. I used three debit card #s regularly for 18 years without a single fraudulent charge. Since 2012, I've had three episodes of fraudulent charges (bank took care of ) and two major-retailer hacks that prompted my bank to automatically issue new debit card #s.

So ... what happened 5 years ago or so? Wider/cheaper adoption of magnetic-stripe copying technology? Trying to think of what it could have been.

 
Yeah, just last weekend, my card was hit for fraudulent charges of $1000 and $3000.

Obviously, I'm not responsible for charges and am getting a new card/number sent out but it's still scary. Definitely a pain too because I had a few auto charges hitting that card that I now need to update with the new number.

 
First, one of the primary ways to steal account info is to run the real card, copy the magnetic strip, then create a duplicate card. .
The first time it happened to me in 2012, my card's magnetic strip was read/copied at a mom-&-pop restaurant. Crook was dumb enough to pay for their own meal later the same night at the same place.

I was really surprised. I had only heard of it happening at gas stations and ATMs with custom-built devices. My restaurant card theft meant that the technology to copy stripes had gotten cheap enough and accessible enough for a small-time waitress or bartender to readily have possession of such a device. I'm not sure that could have happened at that kind of place even a few years earlier than 2012.

 
First, one of the primary ways to steal account info is to run the real card, copy the magnetic strip, then create a duplicate card. .
The first time it happened to me in 2012, my card's magnetic strip was read/copied at a mom-&-pop restaurant. Crook was dumb enough to pay for their own meal later the same night at the same place.

I was really surprised. I had only heard of it happening at gas stations and ATMs with custom-built devices. My restaurant card theft meant that the technology to copy stripes had gotten cheap enough and accessible enough for a small-time waitress or bartender to readily have possession of such a device. I'm not sure that could have happened at that kind of place even a few years earlier than 2012.
My AMEX was stolen by a waiter with a handheld card reader in 1999. Actually actually true.

 
Seems like my dad's card gets digitally stolen at least once a year. His credit card company always fixes the situation for him

Not sure why it has happened to him like 5 times but never to me. Strange/
Same thing happens with my girlfriend and myself. Her cards are always getting hit, but I have yet to have any issues. Knock on wood.

 
For some reason the Payment Card Industry decided not to implement Chip and PIN. Myself and many in the industry believe this was a mistake and that the implementation of Chip and signature will not significantly reduce CC fraud in the long run.

What do I really care though, I will never have a shortage of work.
That reason was money.

I had a card with a chip and a USB chip reader back in the early 2000s, but no site supported it. They would rather deal with the fraud then upgrade their systems.

 
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For some reason the Payment Card Industry decided not to implement Chip and PIN. Myself and many in the industry believe this was a mistake and that the implementation of Chip and signature will not significantly reduce CC fraud in the long run.

What do I really care though, I will never have a shortage of work.
That reason was money.

I had a card with a chip and a USB chip reader back in the early 2000s, but no site supported it. They would rather deal with the fraud then upgrade their systems.
I'm not so sure. My understanding is the credit card companies believe Americans will feel too inconvenienced and too annoyed to use a PIN with credit. (There were accepting with debit since debit cards were an upgrade to their old ATM cards.)

 
For some reason the Payment Card Industry decided not to implement Chip and PIN. Myself and many in the industry believe this was a mistake and that the implementation of Chip and signature will not significantly reduce CC fraud in the long run.

What do I really care though, I will never have a shortage of work.
That reason was money.

I had a card with a chip and a USB chip reader back in the early 2000s, but no site supported it. They would rather deal with the fraud then upgrade their systems.
I'm not so sure. My understanding is the credit card companies believe Americans will feel too inconvenienced and too annoyed to use a PIN with credit. (There were accepting with debit since debit cards were an upgrade to their old ATM cards.)
I don't have the background knowledge to speak authoritatively on this and am completely throwing this out there as a casual observer, but I would think that most people wouldn't mind providing a PIN with a credit card transaction if they are under the understanding that it will save/prevent fraud, protect them from identity theft, etc.

Especially, since we are all used to PINs with our ATM cards it doesn't seem like a giant leap to me.

 
For some reason the Payment Card Industry decided not to implement Chip and PIN. Myself and many in the industry believe this was a mistake and that the implementation of Chip and signature will not significantly reduce CC fraud in the long run.

What do I really care though, I will never have a shortage of work.
That reason was money.

I had a card with a chip and a USB chip reader back in the early 2000s, but no site supported it. They would rather deal with the fraud then upgrade their systems.
I'm not so sure. My understanding is the credit card companies believe Americans will feel too inconvenienced and too annoyed to use a PIN with credit. (There were accepting with debit since debit cards were an upgrade to their old ATM cards.)
I don't have the background knowledge to speak authoritatively on this and am completely throwing this out there as a casual observer, but I would think that most people wouldn't mind providing a PIN with a credit card transaction if they are under the understanding that it will save/prevent fraud, protect them from identity theft, etc.

Especially, since we are all used to PINs with our ATM cards it doesn't seem like a giant leap to me.
You may be right about "most" but if even, say, 10% of Americans object, that is probably too many annoyed customers for the issuer.

 
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My AMEX was stolen by a waiter with a handheld card reader in 1999. Actually actually true.
Dam, no kidding?

I wonder if it was in a high-end place, where a few thousand dollars were worth the investment in the reader/copier? I mean, where do you even go (B&M or online) to procure such a device in 1999? I assume modern versions are just like those Square things small businesses clip to their smart phones. But 16 years ago? Guess so, though.

 
First, one of the primary ways to steal account info is to run the real card, copy the magnetic strip, then create a duplicate card. .
The first time it happened to me in 2012, my card's magnetic strip was read/copied at a mom-&-pop restaurant. Crook was dumb enough to pay for their own meal later the same night at the same place.

I was really surprised. I had only heard of it happening at gas stations and ATMs with custom-built devices. My restaurant card theft meant that the technology to copy stripes had gotten cheap enough and accessible enough for a small-time waitress or bartender to readily have possession of such a device. I'm not sure that could have happened at that kind of place even a few years earlier than 2012.
My AMEX was stolen by a waiter with a handheld card reader in 1999. Actually actually true.
There was a big ring that was busted around the L.A. area around that time... maybe a few years later. I don't remember how many people they nailed but it was something like 10-20 or so waiters/waitresses at various places and a few other people who were the ring leaders. Easy as heck to have a small hand held device that you run the magnetic strip through and capture that info and then use it for fraud. And we are not talking about state of the art kind of crooks either.

 
There was a big ring that was busted around the L.A. area around that time... maybe a few years later. I don't remember how many people they nailed but it was something like 10-20 or so waiters/waitresses at various places and a few other people who were the ring leaders. Easy as heck to have a small hand held device that you run the magnetic strip through and capture that info and then use it for fraud. And we are not talking about state of the art kind of crooks either.
Well, thinking about it some more ... few people will privately handle as many credit cards as a waiter will. Take the card, scurry off to the side station or the back of the house. Plenty of opportunity.

 
There was a big ring that was busted around the L.A. area around that time... maybe a few years later. I don't remember how many people they nailed but it was something like 10-20 or so waiters/waitresses at various places and a few other people who were the ring leaders. Easy as heck to have a small hand held device that you run the magnetic strip through and capture that info and then use it for fraud. And we are not talking about state of the art kind of crooks either.
Well, thinking about it some more ... few people will privately handle as many credit cards as a waiter will. Take the card, scurry off to the side station or the back of the house. Plenty of opportunity.
Yea, the recommendation is that you NEVER let the card out of your sight. The one place that everyone does this (including me) is when you pay for your meal and let the waiter walk off with your card for who knows how long and doing what with it.

 
In countries where they have chip and pin, the card often never leaves your hand as they bring the card reader to your table. You input your tip amount and pin, and away you go. Much more efficient too.

 
In countries where they have chip and pin, the card often never leaves your hand as they bring the card reader to your table. You input your tip amount and pin, and away you go. Much more efficient too.
It has to be that if you have the PIN. It would be more effective for sure if we did that.

 
My corporate card just got dinged for 3 charges to 2 different Indianapolis Walmarts...charges in the $40-$60 range all in the same day. Person at CC company said the cards were swiped in those locations which means someone made a counterfeit card. So annoying charges are being reverse just a PIA to deal with this, what seems, every couple of months.

 

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