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Is tonight David Wilson's breakout game? (1 Viewer)

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gradin123

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I think tonight's game will determine whether David Wilson can contribute at all this year. With Bradshaw out he should at least emerge a little from the doghouse and be given a 2nd chance tonight. Hard to say how long Bradshaw will be out right now but if Wilson looks good tonight and doesn't fumble he might at least open the door to still contributing this year. If he only gets 3 carries for 6 yards again then he might as well be dropped in all redraft leagues.

Yes, Andre Brown looked good last week but he is hardly a proven commodity himself and what if he fumbles early tonight? Will that open the door for Wilson to become featured?

 
'gradin123 said:
I think tonight's game will determine whether David Wilson can contribute at all this year. With Bradshaw out he should at least emerge a little from the doghouse and be given a 2nd chance tonight. Hard to say how long Bradshaw will be out right now but if Wilson looks good tonight and doesn't fumble he might at least open the door to still contributing this year. If he only gets 3 carries for 6 yards again then he might as well be dropped in all redraft leagues.

Yes, Andre Brown looked good last week but he is hardly a proven commodity himself and what if he fumbles early tonight? Will that open the door for Wilson to become featured?
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Would Andre cry if he fumbled?
 
'HF21 said:
'gradin123 said:
I think tonight's game will determine whether David Wilson can contribute at all this year. With Bradshaw out he should at least emerge a little from the doghouse and be given a 2nd chance tonight. Hard to say how long Bradshaw will be out right now but if Wilson looks good tonight and doesn't fumble he might at least open the door to still contributing this year. If he only gets 3 carries for 6 yards again then he might as well be dropped in all redraft leagues.

Yes, Andre Brown looked good last week but he is hardly a proven commodity himself and what if he fumbles early tonight? Will that open the door for Wilson to become featured?
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Would Andre cry if he fumbled?
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I fail to see how that is constructive at all and has anything to do with Wilson's fantasy outlook. I'm assuming Coughlin 'plans' on giving Wilson 5-10 touches tonight. If he can start to break a few early though you may see it slowly shift to 50/50 by the end of the night if he doesn't fumble. That's my outlook on the situation. The Giants are clearly excited about the kid, the whole dog house thing is getting overplayed right now. It's what Coughlin does, he plays the tough love card harder than any coach in the NFL. Coughlin will give him some chances tonight because he has to, I agree that tonight should give a proper outlook on his season.

 
Far from it.

Wilson will have all season to learn the offense. He may never become fantasy-relevant this season, but playing well or not on a short-week doesn't won't mean much.

 
'One said:
Far from it.

Wilson will have all season to learn the offense. He may never become fantasy-relevant this season, but playing well or not on a short-week doesn't won't mean much.
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Well that is kind of my point. I think tonight will tell you whether he has any chance to become relevant this year though. If he can't contribute with Bradshaw out then I can't see him contributing at all this year.
 
What if Andre Brown lights it up? Does that mean David Wilson is done forever? The Giants clearly like Brown a lot too.

I think fantasy players are more excited about Wilson than Tom Coughlin is.

 
'GroveDiesel said:
What if Andre Brown lights it up? Does that mean David Wilson is done forever? The Giants clearly like Brown a lot too. I think fantasy players are more excited about Wilson than Tom Coughlin is.
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If Andre Brown lights it up then I think David Wilson is done for this year barring injuries to both Brown and Bradshaw at the same time.
 
'GroveDiesel said:
What if Andre Brown lights it up? Does that mean David Wilson is done forever? The Giants clearly like Brown a lot too. I think fantasy players are more excited about Wilson than Tom Coughlin is.
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Coughlin was always allergic to playing rookie Linebackers the last 5 years too. I unfortunately expected a lot more out of DW. SUre he has a chance, one big positive play and he'll see a lot more time --but there are no guarantees he will be given that opportunity.
 
Talented or not, coughlin doesn't trust him. All you have to do is watch the games to see this kid isn't ready to make any impact. He's indecisive in his runs and goes down on first contact. He let a ball go right through his hands last week and was immediately pulled from the game. I'm not saying he won't have value later in the season but the window is closing quickly. He had a chance to step up last week and was badly outplayed by Andre brown. Coughlin trusts brown and that makes all the difference here.

 
I think Brown poses a threat to Bradshaw for this season. If he can take care of the football and give them something in the running game, that would be more than they've been getting.

 
I'm starting him in one league, but that's mostly due to the added bonus of 10 return yards per point.

I'm not expecting a ton offensively, but without Bradshaw and Nicks, if there was ever a time to try that the Giants needed to use all their weapons, it would be in this game. Brown will still get more of the load since the Giants understandably trust him more. But I would think they would try harder to get their explosive rookie some touches because they'll need to put some points on the board to win.

 
'Mookie said:
I think Brown poses a threat to Bradshaw for this season. If he can take care of the football and give them something in the running game, that would be more than they've been getting.
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Didn't we just hear this about Wilson a few weeks ago? When Bradshaw is healthy, he gets the lions share.
 
Interesting tweet from a reporter that covers the Giants

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafoloGiants HAVE to get D Wilson the ball tonight b/c CAR had serious tackling issues vs NO. Wilson slippery/powerful, could be a handful for em.
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I think Wilson has a nice game, around 100 yards mostly on a couple big plays. But I'm not starting him.

 
'Mookie said:
I think Brown poses a threat to Bradshaw for this season. If he can take care of the football and give them something in the running game, that would be more than they've been getting.
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brown couldn't take over backup duty and was stuck behind AB and ware, all behind jacobs, before he got hurt. i don't think this should concern AB owners right now. i do think people are underestimating brown quite a bit as a comparison to Wilson (I'm a Wilson owner), but i don't see him as a threat to AB's pt.
 
'ctrlaltdefeat said:
Talented or not, coughlin doesn't trust him. All you have to do is watch the games to see this kid isn't ready to make any impact. He's indecisive in his runs and goes down on first contact. He let a ball go right through his hands last week and was immediately pulled from the game. I'm not saying he won't have value later in the season but the window is closing quickly. He had a chance to step up last week and was badly outplayed by Andre brown. Coughlin trusts brown and that makes all the difference here.
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:goodposting: DW just doesn't look ready yet. Even if he has a good run or two and Bradshaw misses another game, he's still probably a change of pace guy not the leader of the committee.
 
It's week 3.

The guy is a rookie.

Has a ton of talent and rare gamebreaking ability... but has fumble issues and is still learning to be a complete back (blocking etc).

To think that TONIGHT dictates what happens come week 8, 10, 12 is foolish. It's a long season.

Obviously, if Brown looks great, thats a huge detriment to Wilson's short term success. However, as great as Brown looked, Wilson has exceptional skills that the Giant's recognized. Reese drafted him for a reason.

Now, is it possible he doesnt contribute all year? Sure.

But if Bradshaw has lingering health issues (doesn't he always?) then you have a chance for the rookie to emerge later in the year, or for Brown to get hurt (he has had a lot of trouble staying healthy as well).

You may want to utilize a bench spot for someone other than Wilson, but I don't think tonights game dictates the second half of the season in any meaningful way. Not in the judgement of this particular Giants fan who follows the team pretty closely.

 
Randle is the more likely rookie to breakout tonight imo. Not that Wilson's not talented, but he's still going to be at best the backup RB in a possible shoot out.

 
How do you know he's not ready? The sample size is horrendously low. In the preseason he looked like a man among boys. In the regular season he has like 5 carries because he dropped the 2nd one.

I think the person that has to be worried about Brown doing well is AB. Bradshaw can't stay healthy. Brown could take over that role until Coughlin is done playing mind games with him and cures the fumblitis. The guy has more talent than both AB and Brown. He'll rise to the top if he can hold onto the ball. It is just going to take longer than expected since he fumbled so early....

 
'Koya said:
It's week 3.The guy is a rookie.Has a ton of talent and rare gamebreaking ability... but has fumble issues and is still learning to be a complete back (blocking etc).To think that TONIGHT dictates what happens come week 8, 10, 12 is foolish. It's a long season.Obviously, if Brown looks great, thats a huge detriment to Wilson's short term success. However, as great as Brown looked, Wilson has exceptional skills that the Giant's recognized. Reese drafted him for a reason.Now, is it possible he doesnt contribute all year? Sure.But if Bradshaw has lingering health issues (doesn't he always?) then you have a chance for the rookie to emerge later in the year, or for Brown to get hurt (he has had a lot of trouble staying healthy as well).You may want to utilize a bench spot for someone other than Wilson, but I don't think tonights game dictates the second half of the season in any meaningful way. Not in the judgement of this particular Giants fan who follows the team pretty closely.
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'dwashington said:
Interesting tweet from a reporter that covers the Giants

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafoloGiants HAVE to get D Wilson the ball tonight b/c CAR had serious tackling issues vs NO. Wilson slippery/powerful, could be a handful for em.
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Just a heads up, after 8 seasons covering the Giants for the Star Ledger, Garafolo has moved on to USA Today as part of their general NFL coverage as of a few weeks ago.Former Jets beat writer Jenny Vrentas has taken over as Giants beat writer for the Star Ledger.
 
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Its frustrating because all throughout camp it was David Wilson who was supposed to be cutting into Bradshaw's playing time. For those who didn't draft Bradshaw, but were "smart enough" to grab Wilson, Bradshaw getting injured in week 2 was the ideal scenario. The thought was that once he had the opportunity, he would shine. That's what made him valuable. The scenario could not have worked out better, but now this Brown dude comes out of nowhere and leapfrogs Wilson. WTF? So its tough to just keep him on your bench waiting around for another opportunity after the perfect storm just passed him by. Unless I'm a Bradshaw owner who was beat out on Brown, I would probably cut bait on Wilson. With injuries piling up and bye weeks coming around the corner, who can afford to keep him on their bench?

 
'49er fan said:
Its frustrating because all throughout camp it was David Wilson who was supposed to be cutting into Bradshaw's playing time. For those who didn't draft Bradshaw, but were "smart enough" to grab Wilson, Bradshaw getting injured in week 2 was the ideal scenario. The thought was that once he had the opportunity, he would shine. That's what made him valuable. The scenario could not have worked out better, but now this Brown dude comes out of nowhere and leapfrogs Wilson. WTF? So its tough to just keep him on your bench waiting around for another opportunity after the perfect storm just passed him by. Unless I'm a Bradshaw owner who was beat out on Brown, I would probably cut bait on Wilson. With injuries piling up and bye weeks coming around the corner, who can afford to keep him on their bench?
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I guess it depends on your intentions for Wilson.I drafted him as an RB4, I always intended to have him as a late season lotto ticket. I had planned to give him until Thanksgiving to work his way up to 10-15 touches per game. If injuries and bye weeks make it too difficult to hold on to him, I'll have to bite the bullet. But until that happens, I'm going to keep hoping he gets a deeper grasp of the playbook and the football.If you drafted him with the intention of him producing right away, the clock is ticking quickly.
 
I held onto him for this game "just in case" if they dont sprinkle him in for more than 5 carries, I just dont know if its worth holding onto, I'd rather take a shot on a backup chance somehwere else... but for now, I'll keep the faith 1 more week!

 
'netnalp said:
'dwashington said:
Interesting tweet from a reporter that covers the Giants

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafoloGiants HAVE to get D Wilson the ball tonight b/c CAR had serious tackling issues vs NO. Wilson slippery/powerful, could be a handful for em.
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Just a heads up, after 8 seasons covering the Giants for the Star Ledger, Garafolo has moved on to USA Today as part of their general NFL coverage as of a few weeks ago.Former Jets beat writer Jenny Vrentas has taken over as Giants beat writer for the Star Ledger.
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Thanks Net! I saw the send off video for Garafolo, so I knew he was leaving the Ledger, I just wasn't sure where. But doesn't he still serve as the Giants 'guru' for USA..a la Mike Reiss for the Patriots?
 
As a Wilson owner, part of my is hoping for a sub role tonight. Build some confidence.

Another fumble could kill his season.

Slow steps are fine by me right now.

 
'dwashington said:
'netnalp said:
'dwashington said:
Interesting tweet from a reporter that covers the Giants

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafoloGiants HAVE to get D Wilson the ball tonight b/c CAR had serious tackling issues vs NO. Wilson slippery/powerful, could be a handful for em.
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Just a heads up, after 8 seasons covering the Giants for the Star Ledger, Garafolo has moved on to USA Today as part of their general NFL coverage as of a few weeks ago.Former Jets beat writer Jenny Vrentas has taken over as Giants beat writer for the Star Ledger.
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Thanks Net! I saw the send off video for Garafolo, so I knew he was leaving the Ledger, I just wasn't sure where. But doesn't he still serve as the Giants 'guru' for USA..a la Mike Reiss for the Patriots?
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He might. He's written some articles on the 'Skins that weren't Giant related. Could be he's the NFC East guy. I don't know if he'll be traveling to all the Giants games like he did with the Ledger.His Twitter page no longer has a Giants theme like it did at his old job.
 
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@MikeGarafolo

@G101klangan Yeah, just watching CAR D and thinking Bradshaw could've had a monster game. Wilson is the best chance to replace that element.

Alex Trautner ‏@trautdiggity

Trust @MikeGarafolo more than anyone on the #Giants One of the best in the business and he's spot on about Wilson and the #Panthers tackling

 
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I don't understand this thread. Last week Ahmad Bradshaw was injured, and Andre Brown got about 5x the carries of David Wilson. Why would we expect David Wilson all the sudden to get a ton of carries? Shouldn't this thread be about Andre Brown?

 
'nxmehta said:
I don't understand this thread. Last week Ahmad Bradshaw was injured, and Andre Brown got about 5x the carries of David Wilson. Why would we expect David Wilson all the sudden to get a ton of carries? Shouldn't this thread be about Andre Brown?
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People who drafted Wilson too high are trying to make each other feel better. It's fine.
 
'nxmehta said:
I don't understand this thread. Last week Ahmad Bradshaw was injured, and Andre Brown got about 5x the carries of David Wilson. Why would we expect David Wilson all the sudden to get a ton of carries? Shouldn't this thread be about Andre Brown?
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Who said he is expected to get a ton of carries?

If you want to talk about Andre Brown though, feel free to start another thread.

 
'Underachievers said:
'nxmehta said:
I don't understand this thread. Last week Ahmad Bradshaw was injured, and Andre Brown got about 5x the carries of David Wilson. Why would we expect David Wilson all the sudden to get a ton of carries? Shouldn't this thread be about Andre Brown?
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Who said he is expected to get a ton of carries?

If you want to talk about Andre Brown though, feel free to start another thread.
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How the heck is he going to have a breakout game with 3 carries? You're thinking he might take each one to the house or something?
 
'nxmehta said:
'Underachievers said:
'nxmehta said:
I don't understand this thread. Last week Ahmad Bradshaw was injured, and Andre Brown got about 5x the carries of David Wilson. Why would we expect David Wilson all the sudden to get a ton of carries? Shouldn't this thread be about Andre Brown?
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Who said he is expected to get a ton of carries?

If you want to talk about Andre Brown though, feel free to start another thread.
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How the heck is he going to have a breakout game with 3 carries? You're thinking he might take each one to the house or something?
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I apologize! I did not realize you had connections with the Giant organization to insure that he receives just 3 carries. My bad.....

 
'Underachievers said:
'nxmehta said:
'Underachievers said:
'nxmehta said:
I don't understand this thread. Last week Ahmad Bradshaw was injured, and Andre Brown got about 5x the carries of David Wilson. Why would we expect David Wilson all the sudden to get a ton of carries? Shouldn't this thread be about Andre Brown?
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Who said he is expected to get a ton of carries?

If you want to talk about Andre Brown though, feel free to start another thread.
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How the heck is he going to have a breakout game with 3 carries? You're thinking he might take each one to the house or something?
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I apologize! I did not realize you had connections with the Giant organization to insure that he receives just 3 carries. My bad.....
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Ok, so we know you think he will get more than 3 carries, but less than "a ton". Great info here! GL with that "breakout game"! :hophead:

 
'nxmehta said:
'Underachievers said:
'nxmehta said:
'Underachievers said:
'nxmehta said:
I don't understand this thread. Last week Ahmad Bradshaw was injured, and Andre Brown got about 5x the carries of David Wilson. Why would we expect David Wilson all the sudden to get a ton of carries? Shouldn't this thread be about Andre Brown?
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Who said he is expected to get a ton of carries?

If you want to talk about Andre Brown though, feel free to start another thread.
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How the heck is he going to have a breakout game with 3 carries? You're thinking he might take each one to the house or something?
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I apologize! I did not realize you had connections with the Giant organization to insure that he receives just 3 carries. My bad.....
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Ok, so we know you think he will get more than 3 carries, but less than "a ton". Great info here! GL with that "breakout game"! :hophead:
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Do you realize you are getting upset over a thread about David Wilson? Is it worth it? I personally do not care what Wilson does tonight, but it is posters like yourself who have ruined these boards. Like I said, if you are so concerned about what Brown does and upset that people are not discussing him, then why not start a thread about him instead of trolling in a David Wilson thread? Seems like a pretty simple solution.

 
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