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It's early but, I feel like Clemens is going to get every shot to start and Dustin Keller will be lined up at WR a lot... Also, the return of WR Chansi Stuckey who looked great before getting injured last preseason!!!! I think Baker needs to come back to be the "Real" TE while Keller plays WR and Bubba mostly blocks....

Jets Blog - Boland

May 22, 2008

Another OTA down...

Some notes/observations from the Jets 1 hour 30 minute OTA practice that recently concluded. Keep in mind Vernon Gholston has not yet reported because Ohio State is still in session and a league rule prohibits draft picks from participating in more than one camp before classes are officially over. With San Jose State finals having ended Wednesday, fourth-round pick Dwight Lowery was on the field Thursday morning. Chris Baker, because of his contract issues, also was not here. As for some of what we saw:

1. Tight end Dustin Keller lined up all over the field, including in the slot, and even went in motion a couple of times. He showed good speed in getting down the middle and caught every pass thrown his way. He worked a decent amount with both quarterbacks.

2. As for the quarterbacks: It was Kellen Clemens day to work with the first team and he looked good. He threw a handful of very precise deep passes, including one that covered just over 40 yards in the air and came down over the outside shoulder of Laveranues Coles. The pass had to be perfect because top corner Darrelle Revis had tight coverage. :lmao:

Pennington did not connect on the couple of deep passes he attempted, though Pennington threw some nice balls over the middle and to the sideline. :confused:

3. Nothing different from last week with the front seven. Shaun Ellis and Kenyon Coleman sandwiched Kris Jenkins as the down linemen, the linebackers were Calvin Pace and Bryan Thomas on the outside, with David Harris and Eric Barton on the inside.

4. Lowery worked as a cornerback mostly with the third team and a little bit with the second. On one seven-on-seven drill play, Lowery made a nice deflection on a pass intended for David Ball. The first-team defensive back alignment was the same as last week – Darrelle Revis and David Barrett at the corners, and Eric Smith and Kerry Rhodes at the safeties. Safety Abram Elam just returned from Florida where he had been tending to family members after the death of his older brother.

5. Bubba Franks’ practice wasn’t nearly as electric as the one we saw last week when he caught touchdown passes from Pennington, Clemens and Brett Ratliff. Franks did make a sliding 12-yard reception today on an underthrown Clemens pass but he also flinched several plays later and had to run a penalty lap.

6. Danny Woodhead, the NCAA’s all-time leading rusher from Division II Chadron State, had a tough day. He had to run three laps after muffing two punts and mishandling a kickoff. In his defense, the miscues occurred as a very strange – and brief – rainstorm, that included hail, moved through Hempstead. As Woodhead finished the third lap, the sun was back out. Thomas Jones had to run a penalty lap for fumbling on the first play of an 11-on-11 drill.

7. James Dearth, Brad Smith, Artrell Hawkins and Andre Woolfolk were all limited, with each spending a portion of the practice on the exercise bicycles on the sideline. Will Montgomery (this is for Gridderbob) was the long-snapper for most of the practice. Erik Ainge is still recovering from the surgery he had two weeks ago on the broken pinky he sustained before his senior season at Tennessee and did not throw. Justin Miller was also limited but Eric Mangini said he expects the cornerback to be 100 percent by training camp, if not sooner. Translation: there’s no reason to push Miller, coming off surgery, for the sixth OTA practice.



7. As for Smith, the Jets don’t give out injury information but Chansi Stuckey at this point is clearly the third receiver on the depth chart and keeps making catch after catch. At least in the two OTA practices the media has been able to watch.

8. I asked Alan Faneca, a member of some of the best offensive lines in football while in Pittsburgh, if he saw that kind of potential with the Jets’ line. “There’s potential,” Faneca said. “If we put the work in, we’ll see the results.”

9. The Mangini good-humor-moment of the day: The Daily News’ Rich Cimini asked Mangini how he would feel if one of his players missed team activities to engage in a dancing contest (yes, a reference to the Bill Parcells vs. Jason Taylor rapidly developing circus in Miami).

“Having such a passion for ballroom dancing like I do…” Mangini said. “I’ve watched some of that, He (Taylor) is pretty good. He’s impressive. I didn’t vote but I thought he did a great job, and the longer he wants to stay out of Miami’s camp, I think he should.”

All right, I’m turning my attention to my newspaper story for tomorrow. But I’m still available for questions/comments/punch lines.

Posted by Erik Boland on May 22, 2008 2:06 PM | Permalink | Comments (15)

Clemens looking Good Cimini

May 22, 2008

OTAs: Clemens shows off rocket arm

Welcome to Day 6 of the Jets’ OTAs (organized team activities), the second day open to the media.

Here’s what’s happening:

• This is why Kellen Clemens is so intriguing to the organization, why he has a chance to win the ballyhooed QB competition against Chad Pennington. In today’s practice, Clemens threw a gorgeous, 45-yard completion up the right sideline to Laveranues Coles. Everything about it was impressive: He showed accuracy (he placed it over Coles’ outside shoulder, just beyond the reach of CB Darrelle Revis) and arm strength (the ball got to Coles before S Kerry Rhodes arrived with deep help).

I’m not saying Clemens is better than Pennington, but plays like that make the organization imagine what could be.

• Aside from disgruntled TE Chris Baker, top pick Vernon Gholston is the only player not in camp. Gholston is back at Ohio State, finishing the school year. By league rule, rookies can’t attend spring camps until their college class is finished for the semester. CB Dwight Lowery (fourth-round pick) arrived last night after taking his final exams at San Jose State and participated in practice.

• S Abram Elam is back after spending time with his family in Florida, where his older brother was murdered two weeks ago. Eric Smith remained with the first team … CB Drew Coleman worked in the nickel, replacing Hank Poteat.

• Eric Mangini, asked several questions about the Baker situation, did have one revealing comment. Responding to Baker’s claim that he was promised by the organization that it would re-visit his contract situation if he performed well, Mangini said, “Everybody has different opinions. That’s the case in any situation.” It was a rare moment of candor for Mangini, who basically said the organization made no such promise.

Mangini said he continues to keep open the lines of communication with Baker, who is being kept abreast of changes to the playbook. Baker is boycotting the voluntary program because he’s unhappy with his contract, which has two years remaining at an average of $1.65 million annually.

• Speaking of tight ends, Mangini scoffed at the suggestion that he orchestrated a practice last week to feature Baker’s main competition, former Packer Bubba Franks. That day, open to the media, Franks caught several TD passes. Today, he made a nice sliding catch.

“I heard whispers that some people thought it was staged, but as a defensive coach, you never want to see multiple touchdowns caught against the first group,” Mangini said.

Not surprisingly, Mangini gushed when asked about first-round pick Dustin Keller, saying his speed is a “tempo changer.” I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Baker remains the team’s best two-way tight end.

• Rookie QB Erik Ainge (fifth-round pick) isn’t participating because of recent surgery on his throwing pinky. He apparently has spent his idle time studying the roster and the media guide. In a team meeting, Mangini asked Ainge to name everyone in the room - about 100 people. “He nailed it,” Mangini said.

• Last week, Mangini made several cryptic references to changes in the offense. I asked him to explain. Naturally, he didn’t want to give away any state secrets, but he did provide an interesting anecdote from his days as a Patriots assistant.

Trying to explain that spring camps often are used for experimenting, Mangini recalled one year in which they introduced a new coverage - Cover-4. In one minicamp, the Patriots called 250 reps of Cover-4. But, in the regular season, they used that particular coverage only six times. The following year, though, it became one of their defensive staples.

Long story short: The Jets are trying some new stuff.

• I couldn’t resist. With all the talk about the Bill Parcells-Jason Taylor feud in Miami, I asked Mangini how he’d respond if one of his players wanted to skip the entire offseason to participate in a dancing contest. Mangini never really answered the question, opting for the light approach.

“Having the passion for ballroom dancing like I do…” he began, referring to Taylor’s appearance on “Dancing With the Stars.” “I’ve watched some of that. He’s pretty good. I didn’t vote, but I thought he did a great job. As long as he wants to stay out of Miami’s camp, I think he should.”

The Jets would much rather see Taylor doing the Tango than rushing their quarterback.

• Pennington rolled a 167 in Mangini’s charity bowling event Wednesday night in Manhattan, outperforming some of the so-called elite bowlers on the team. “Save some of those clutch performances for training camp,” Cannizzaro from the Post told him.

• The Jets worked out former Ravens RB Musa Smith on Wednesday.

 
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Thanks for the updates. I'm pretty excited about this year's team. I'm not expecting the playoffs, but i think it could happen. A lot depends on what kind of impact Pace and Gholston make coming off the edge. If the jets can become an upper echelon pass rushing team, our Defense could be close to elite IMO. Rhodes and Revis will both be pro-bowl caliber players this year IMO. Anything we can get out of Justin Miller would be great (but i'm not holding my breath)

Excited to see what we do with keller and stuckey.

 
Thanks for the updates. I'm pretty excited about this year's team. I'm not expecting the playoffs, but i think it could happen. A lot depends on what kind of impact Pace and Gholston make coming off the edge. If the jets can become an upper echelon pass rushing team, our Defense could be close to elite IMO. Rhodes and Revis will both be pro-bowl caliber players this year IMO. Anything we can get out of Justin Miller would be great (but i'm not holding my breath)Excited to see what we do with keller and stuckey.
Playoffs are very possible given this year's schedule.
 
Thanks for the updates. I'm pretty excited about this year's team. I'm not expecting the playoffs, but i think it could happen. A lot depends on what kind of impact Pace and Gholston make coming off the edge. If the jets can become an upper echelon pass rushing team, our Defense could be close to elite IMO. Rhodes and Revis will both be pro-bowl caliber players this year IMO. Anything we can get out of Justin Miller would be great (but i'm not holding my breath)

Excited to see what we do with keller and stuckey.
Playoffs are very possible given this year's schedule.
How about that latest Vegas O/U line at 7.5.....Very Tempting... They Should win 8 games.

No matter what, this year will be exciting - I look at the Jets defense as a great FF defense to pick up with Jenkins in the middle and Rhodes and Revis playing the backfield with the new pass rush, I sense a lot of potential turnovers and Sacks and TD's..... Then add the ST Return Potential!!!!!

I'll be owning the Jets D a lot this year.

I want to see the Jets Body Slam Brady and get away with it and a TD like the Pats did to Clemens last year... That play still makes me absolutely sick and the type of play I feel the Pats get away with all too often...

 
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Question for Jets homers - is Leon Washington's role in the offense basically set in that he'll only see the ball a few times a game or does he have an opportunity to earn more playing time? I like his talent but it seems like the team has no intention of using him as anything more than a COP/3rd down type guy.

 
Question for Jets homers - is Leon Washington's role in the offense basically set in that he'll only see the ball a few times a game or does he have an opportunity to earn more playing time? I like his talent but it seems like the team has no intention of using him as anything more than a COP/3rd down type guy.
I'm with you and really think the guy is talented. I still hold the belief that he will ultimately take over the primary back role and be a poor man's Westbrook. With the Jets not drafting a back, it's a solid opportunity for Leon. Mangini didn't really use Leon as much as I thought he did last year, though.
 
Thanks for the updates. I'm pretty excited about this year's team. I'm not expecting the playoffs, but i think it could happen. A lot depends on what kind of impact Pace and Gholston make coming off the edge. If the jets can become an upper echelon pass rushing team, our Defense could be close to elite IMO. Rhodes and Revis will both be pro-bowl caliber players this year IMO. Anything we can get out of Justin Miller would be great (but i'm not holding my breath)

Excited to see what we do with keller and stuckey.
Playoffs are very possible given this year's schedule.
How about that latest Vegas O/U line at 7.5.....

Very Tempting... They Should win 8 games.
I'm with you on the over - I think 10 is a realistic possibility.
 
I dont usually gamble on sports, but if that line stays ay 7.5, I'm gonna win boatloads.

As for Leon, I love his talent as well. He's very quick and suprisingly strong for a smallish back. He's not as talented as westbrook, but he's explosive and strong enough to be a playmaker. If he doesnt get 15 touches a game, there needs to be a coaching change.

 
Regarding the QB battle, Clemens absolutely has to be the week 1 starter so they can find out if he is their future or if they need to look in another direction beginning next year. They already know what they have in Pennington, and they know it's not enough to take them to a high level. We all know about the subpar arm, and that just shortens the field too much to allow them to have a complete offense.

As for Leon, the fact that the Jets are likely to sign Musa Smith in the next week or so (he was just in for another visit this week) says to me that they are still looking to bolster their RB2 position. They have Chatman and Washington now, and both serve different purposes. I think Leon is destined to be a role player for his career. A return guy, a receiving threat, but never a featured runner. If Musa comes on board this becomes all the more clear.

 
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Thanks for the updates Reaper, good stuff.

I think I'm looking forward to seeing how the defense performs this year rather than the offense.

with Jenkins now clogging the middle, I'm optimistic we'll be an improved run D. I really can't wait to see what Harris does this year as a result of Jenkins in front of him. He was an animal last year and that was with Robertson in front of him (90 tackles, 5 sacks, 2FF in just 9 games as a rookie!). I wouldn't be surprised if Harris winds up in Hawaii this year. I'm hoping Gholston will feed off Harris' play as a "friendly competition" as they're basically the same age. That should be fun to watch.

I can't say I'm happy about another year with Barrett as our starting CB opposite Revis. Hopefully we get some pressure on the QB this year enough to limit the amout of time he's alone in single coverage.

I think the over (7.5) is very doable. a conservative look at the schedule gives 6... with some luck, a nice little win streak is possible after the bye heading into the rematch at NE.

at Miami Dolphins

New England Patriots .

at San Diego Chargers

Arizona Cardinals

Bye

Cincinnati Bengals

at Oakland Raiders

Kansas City Chiefs

at Buffalo Bills

St. Louis Rams

at New England Patriots

at Tennessee Titans

Denver Broncos

at San Francisco 49ers

Buffalo Bills

at Seattle Seahawks

Miami Dolphins

ETA: changed Oak and Tenn to away games.

 
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I am rooting for Stuckey, his speed coach was a regular at the bar I worked in NYC, and said he was a very good kid. Told me Stuckey was the real deal, but I figured, "What else is this guy gonna say?"

 
Keller has been rising up my board a little bit in the past few weeks. He's sort of like a more athletic Chris Cooley or a smaller Kellen Winslow. Given NYJ's lack of big play threats, he has a chance to make an early impact.

 
Keller has been rising up my board a little bit in the past few weeks. He's sort of like a more athletic Chris Cooley or a smaller Kellen Winslow. Given NYJ's lack of big play threats, he has a chance to make an early impact.
In an HP Format where WR's = 1PPR and TE's = 2PPR, where would you rank Keller??
 
Keller has been rising up my board a little bit in the past few weeks. He's sort of like a more athletic Chris Cooley or a smaller Kellen Winslow. Given NYJ's lack of big play threats, he has a chance to make an early impact.
In an HP Format where WR's = 1PPR and TE's = 2PPR, where would you rank Keller??
Rookie TE's have been a crapshoot historically. Shockey was great, but most of the other top guys took a season or two to find their game and start producing top ten numbers. With that in mind, I'd temper my 2008 expectations for Keller to the 300-500 yard range with the disclaimer that he definitely has the talent to go higher than that. He should be looked at as a TE2 with sneaky upside. In a dynasty draft he becomes a good gamble once the top 10-12 guys are off the board. IMO he has a lot more FF upside than guys like Zach Miller, John Carlson, and Ben Watson.
 
Keller has been rising up my board a little bit in the past few weeks. He's sort of like a more athletic Chris Cooley or a smaller Kellen Winslow. Given NYJ's lack of big play threats, he has a chance to make an early impact.
In an HP Format where WR's = 1PPR and TE's = 2PPR, where would you rank Keller??
Rookie TE's have been a crapshoot historically. Shockey was great, but most of the other top guys took a season or two to find their game and start producing top ten numbers. With that in mind, I'd temper my 2008 expectations for Keller to the 300-500 yard range with the disclaimer that he definitely has the talent to go higher than that. He should be looked at as a TE2 with sneaky upside. In a dynasty draft he becomes a good gamble once the top 10-12 guys are off the board. IMO he has a lot more FF upside than guys like Zach Miller, John Carlson, and Ben Watson.
Thx...
 
kellers value seems to be soaring. Ive tried aquiring him for either Sheffler or Olsen in one league, and tried H.Miller in another. All offers were rejected

 
Keller has been rising up my board a little bit in the past few weeks. He's sort of like a more athletic Chris Cooley or a smaller Kellen Winslow. Given NYJ's lack of big play threats, he has a chance to make an early impact.
In an HP Format where WR's = 1PPR and TE's = 2PPR, where would you rank Keller??
Rookie TE's have been a crapshoot historically. Shockey was great, but most of the other top guys took a season or two to find their game and start producing top ten numbers. With that in mind, I'd temper my 2008 expectations for Keller to the 300-500 yard range with the disclaimer that he definitely has the talent to go higher than that. He should be looked at as a TE2 with sneaky upside. In a dynasty draft he becomes a good gamble once the top 10-12 guys are off the board. IMO he has a lot more FF upside than guys like Zach Miller, John Carlson, and Ben Watson.
Im in a league just like the one he asked about and he's definitely a guy Im looking to pick up. With the classification of TE but being used as a WR his receptions could make him a nice value
 
It's not such a huge stretch to like Keller over Olsen. Olsen is a nice prospect in his own right and a good value as a TE2, but Keller is a better athlete and was a more productive college player. Keller has everything I look for in a prospect: an elite pedigree, top notch production, beastly combine numbers, and a high score on the eyeball test. I'm not going to make any outrageous claims about his abilities, but I think he has the potential to develop into a top 5-10 type player at the position. He is basically a receiver who blocks a little as opposed to a blocker who catches a little. He should become a prominent part of the NYJ offense. Highlights:

 
A little more on Keller:

In 2007 he caught 56 passes for 771 yards in 14 games. That's 55 yards per game, which averages out to about 880 yards in a 16 game season. In 2008 he caught 68 passes for 881 yards in 13 games. That's 67 yards per game, which averages out to about 1,080 yards in a 16 game season.

You don't often see that kind of production from a college TE. This guy is purely a pass-catching specialist, which means his game is tailor-made for our hobby. He's also a freak of nature from an athletic standpoint. He runs a 4.53 40 at 242 pounds. He jumped 38" in the vertical leap and 10'11" in the broad jump at the combine. To put those numbers in perspective, his vertical leap would've been 2nd among all RB's and 2nd among all WR's. His broad jump would've been 3rd among all RB's and 2nd among all WR's.

His only flaw is that he's a poor blocker, which could limit the amount of snaps he gets. But I don't think he was drafted to block. I think he was drafted to add a dynamic element to the NYJ offense that's been sorely missing since Santana Moss left town. He's a good investment at his cost right now.

 
A little more on Keller:In 2007 he caught 56 passes for 771 yards in 14 games. That's 55 yards per game, which averages out to about 880 yards in a 16 game season. In 2008 he caught 68 passes for 881 yards in 13 games. That's 67 yards per game, which averages out to about 1,080 yards in a 16 game season. You don't often see that kind of production from a college TE. This guy is purely a pass-catching specialist, which means his game is tailor-made for our hobby. He's also a freak of nature from an athletic standpoint. He runs a 4.53 40 at 242 pounds. He jumped 38" in the vertical leap and 10'11" in the broad jump at the combine. To put those numbers in perspective, his vertical leap would've been 2nd among all RB's and 2nd among all WR's. His broad jump would've been 3rd among all RB's and 2nd among all WR's. His only flaw is that he's a poor blocker, which could limit the amount of snaps he gets. But I don't think he was drafted to block. I think he was drafted to add a dynamic element to the NYJ offense that's been sorely missing since Santana Moss left town. He's a good investment at his cost right now.
That was an impressive video in the previous post, thanks for sharing. Gotta be honest, I didn't know much about the guy as I don't follow college ball, but that was fun to watch.The Jets have never had a TE with that kind of ability. Johnny Mitchell is the closest thing I can come up with.It'll be interesting how the Jets use him. considering his athleticism and blocking limitations, as you mention above, could he make the transition to WR? just a thought...
 
Thanks for the updates Reaper, good stuff.

I think I'm looking forward to seeing how the defense performs this year rather than the offense.

with Jenkins now clogging the middle, I'm optimistic we'll be an improved run D. I really can't wait to see what Harris does this year as a result of Jenkins in front of him. He was an animal last year and that was with Robertson in front of him (90 tackles, 5 sacks, 2FF in just 9 games as a rookie!). I wouldn't be surprised if Harris winds up in Hawaii this year. I'm hoping Gholston will feed off Harris' play as a "friendly competition" as they're basically the same age. That should be fun to watch.

I can't say I'm happy about another year with Barrett as our starting CB opposite Revis. Hopefully we get some pressure on the QB this year enough to limit the amout of time he's alone in single coverage.

I think the over (7.5) is very doable. a conservative look at the schedule gives 6... with some luck, a nice little win streak is possible after the bye heading into the rematch at NE.

at Miami Dolphins

New England Patriots .

at San Diego Chargers

Arizona Cardinals

Bye

Cincinnati Bengals

at Oakland Raiders

Kansas City Chiefs

at Buffalo Bills

St. Louis Rams

at New England Patriots

at Tennessee Titans

Denver Broncos

at San Francisco 49ers

Buffalo Bills

at Seattle Seahawks

Miami Dolphins

ETA: changed Oak and Tenn to away games.
You might want to reconsider that bold type you have coming to OAK.....'cuase the Gang Green will be leaving Cali with an 'L' that day.....It's probably better to bold another home game or two. But honestly, I'll be taking the UNDER 7.5 with confidenceThis looks like a 6-10 team to me....Either one of the QBs is unimpressive

 
It's not such a huge stretch to like Keller over Olsen. Olsen is a nice prospect in his own right and a good value as a TE2, but Keller is a better athlete and was a more productive college player. Keller has everything I look for in a prospect: an elite pedigree, top notch production, beastly combine numbers, and a high score on the eyeball test. I'm not going to make any outrageous claims about his abilities, but I think he has the potential to develop into a top 5-10 type player at the position. He is basically a receiver who blocks a little as opposed to a blocker who catches a little. He should become a prominent part of the NYJ offense. Highlights:

Thanks EBF, I think your correct in your assessment and evaluation - and I did not have this guy on my radar, I DO NOW.
 
As for Stuckey, I was on this one a while ago:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=333574&hl=

He's sort of a Deion Branch type of player. I doubt he'll ever be a difference maker, but he can help the Jets if he's healthy.
Me tooI remember thinking he's smallish. Short? rail thin? Something made me wonder if he could hack it, he was doing well and I was a bit excited for him, then he got hurt and was done for 07.

 

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