J.Lewis is he the ---current EDDIE GEORGE ? (1 Viewer)

[Sanboy]

I had high hopes for J.lewis coming into this season especially with a decent Qb

so far this year .. he has been OK .. nothing special . but not horrible either .. other than the S.D game he was running OK ..

I do love the look of MUSA SMITH from what i have seen this pre-season and his limited carries this season ..

does J.lewis ever bounce back and show the MAGIC and hard running he had 3 years ago ?... everything i read says LEWIS is going to get cut this off-season because year # 2 of the 3 year deal he signed this past off-season .. is WAYY too much of a jump in salary ..

at 27 this year .. are we watching a current version of a EDDIE GEORGE happening

a power back who is just running out of gas... George was able to maintain for more years .. but when he started to go down . he went down fast ...

whats everyone elses gut feeling

 

[Traders2001]

I had high hopes for J.lewis coming into this season especially with a decent Qb so far this year .. he has been OK .. nothing special . but not horrible either .. other than the S.D game he was running OK .. I do love the look of MUSA SMITH from what i have seen this pre-season and his limited carries this season .. does J.lewis ever bounce back and show the MAGIC and hard running he had 3 years ago ?... everything i read says LEWIS is going to get cut this off-season because year # 2 of the 3 year deal he signed this past off-season .. is WAYY too much of a jump in salary .. at 27 this year .. are we watching a current version of a EDDIE GEORGE happening a power back who is just running out of gas... George was able to maintain for more years .. but when he started to go down . he went down fast ...whats everyone elses gut feeling

Musa Smith has nt really looked good in his limited carries this season, and before last game Lewis averaged a 4 ypc average trough the first 3 games not that bad. Last game was with the Chargers most RB will have a under 2 ypc when playing SanDiego so you cant judge by this game .They also have big OL problems so yes Jamal lost 1/4 of a step but he is still a good RB on a team with a ####ty OL.

 

[Slinger]

I had high hopes for J.lewis.

There lies the problem.

 

[Sanboy]

true

 

[realamerican85]

Willis McGahee actually is the new Eddie George.

 

[KoolKat]

I'm shopping Lewis like crazy, but still do think he has 3 good years left in him. If nobody is willing to give me fair compensation I have no problem hanging on to him and handcuffing Smith. I think George is a good comparison, but Jamal is only 27, and as I remember the Ravens were eager to re-sign Lewis in the offseason. They quickly made a deal the day before Lewis was to make a trip to Denver. So, although I agree Lewis is not the back he once was, he will still generate the most interest of any FA RB next year if the Ravens are willing to part with him, which I doubt.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I'm shopping Lewis like crazy, but still do think he has 3 good years left in him. If nobody is willing to give me fair compensation I have no problem hanging on to him and handcuffing Smith. I think George is a good comparison, but Jamal is only 27, and as I remember the Ravens were eager to re-sign Lewis in the offseason. They quickly made a deal the day before Lewis was to make a trip to Denver. So, although I agree Lewis is not the back he once was, he will still generate the most interest of any FA RB next year if the Ravens are willing to part with him, which I doubt.

Not sure why you think that. He generated very little interest as a free agent this year.

 

[brednbuddah]

J.Lewis is what he is. you shouldn't be surprised or disappointed.

you knew what you were getting into.

 

[QB11]

J. Lewis is not Eddie George.

He's never been the same since jail.

We've seen the best of J. Lewis.

 

[Sanboy]

yea i had to disagree with the " quick to sign him "

they were quick to sign MIKE ANDERSON . and LEWIS basically took the first contract that came his way .. no one really had much interest in him

 

[KoolKat]

I'm shopping Lewis like crazy, but still do think he has 3 good years left in him. If nobody is willing to give me fair compensation I have no problem hanging on to him and handcuffing Smith. I think George is a good comparison, but Jamal is only 27, and as I remember the Ravens were eager to re-sign Lewis in the offseason. They quickly made a deal the day before Lewis was to make a trip to Denver. So, although I agree Lewis is not the back he once was, he will still generate the most interest of any FA RB next year if the Ravens are willing to part with him, which I doubt.

Not sure why you think that. He generated very little interest as a free agent this year.

The reason there wasn't any news of interest for Jamal Lewis last offseason, was because the Ravens took him off the market relatively quickly. I am from Denver, and as I said, the day before Lewis was to make a trip to Denver, the Ravens made sure to sign him before any other teams could court him. Shanahan was very interested, and who is to say he wouldn't be next year if Bell does not carry the load or gets injured.

 

[Kiddnets]

Call me crazy but I think we haven't seen the best of J LEwis this year. He has had tough matchups so far -ala Lamont Jordan. I expect some better stats after this week when the schedule loosens up a bit. The good news is as long as they are winning there is no threat to his job.

 

[Todem]

Willis McGahee actually is the new Eddie George.

McGahee is leading the league in rushing so I would have to assume you mean George in his Heyday as an every week workhorse.

 

[brednbuddah]

Call me crazy but I think we haven't seen the best of J LEwis this year. He has had tough matchups so far -ala Lamont Jordan. I expect some better stats after this week when the schedule loosens up a bit. The good news is as long as they are winning there is no threat to his job.

bro, I hope you are right.

 

[KoolKat]

yea i had to disagree with the " quick to sign him "

they were quick to sign MIKE ANDERSON . and LEWIS basically took the first contract that came his way .. no one really had much interest in him

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/BAL/9305453How can you say they were quick to sign Anderson, and Lewis took the first contract that came his way, when Lewis was signed less than 24 hours after Anderson?

 

[mojorizin]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

 

[shakeybarn]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

concur, everyone knew Chester Taylor was decent, yet he didn't get a chance to outshine Jamal... now he found a starting gig. if anything, Musa could be another Chester Taylor... who you/me/we would handcuff, and sit with hoping waiting... wading through 80/1 Jamal games... unfortunately the Bal D is all-world this year, and there's no need to stir up an anemic offense.

 

[mojorizin]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

concur, everyone knew Chester Taylor was decent, yet he didn't get a chance to outshine Jamal... now he found a starting gig. if anything, Musa could be another Chester Taylor... who you/me/we would handcuff, and sit with hoping waiting... wading through 80/1 Jamal games... unfortunately the Bal D is all-world this year, and there's no need to stir up an anemic offense.

No, BB wont rock the boat and I cant say that I blame him.

 

[Biabreakable]

I don't see many similarities between Lewis and George.

Yes they are both big power Rbs but George was much tougher than Lewis who has had multiple season ending knee injuries. Lewis has not been the same type of workhorse Rb that George was either except for his amazing 2003 season. 413 total touches. George had seasons of 358,364,385,367,453 his 1st 5 years.

Eddie George

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1996 hou | 16 | 335 1368 4.1 8 | 23 182 7.9 0 |

| 1997 ten | 16 | 357 1399 3.9 6 | 7 44 6.3 1 |

| 1998 ten | 16 | 348 1294 3.7 5 | 37 310 8.4 1 |

| 1999 ten | 16 | 320 1304 4.1 9 | 47 458 9.7 4 |

| 2000 ten | 16 | 403 1509 3.7 14 | 50 453 9.1 2 |

| 2001 ten | 16 | 315 939 3.0 5 | 37 279 7.5 0 |age 28

| 2002 ten | 16 | 343 1165 3.4 12 | 36 255 7.1 2 |

| 2003 ten | 16 | 312 1031 3.3 5 | 22 163 7.4 0 |

| 2004 dal | 14 | 132 432 3.3 4 | 9 83 9.2 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 142 | 2865 10441 3.6 68 | 268 2227 8.3 10 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Jamal Lewis

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 2000 bal | 16 | 309 1364 4.4 6 | 27 296 11.0 0 |

| 2002 bal | 16 | 308 1327 4.3 6 | 47 442 9.4 1 |

| 2003 bal | 16 | 387 2066 5.3 14 | 26 205 7.9 0 |

| 2004 bal | 12 | 235 1006 4.3 7 | 10 116 11.6 0 |

| 2005 bal | 15 | 269 906 3.4 3 | 32 191 6.0 1 |age 26

| 2006 bal | 4 | 73 268 3.7 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 79 | 1581 6937 4.4 37 | 142 1250 8.8 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

I kind of see what your saying in terms of the 400+ touch season and then a steep decline following that which happened to George and looks now to be happening to Lewis. I just don't think Lewis had the same track record George did to begin with. But yes it looks like Lewis will not get back to much more than 300 touch season level ever again.

George although he had poor YPC still followed up his 453 touch season with 352 and 379 touches in the next 2 seasons.

 

[Irish]

I'm shopping Lewis like crazy, but still do think he has 3 good years left in him. If nobody is willing to give me fair compensation I have no problem hanging on to him and handcuffing Smith. I think George is a good comparison, but Jamal is only 27, and as I remember the Ravens were eager to re-sign Lewis in the offseason. They quickly made a deal the day before Lewis was to make a trip to Denver. So, although I agree Lewis is not the back he once was, he will still generate the most interest of any FA RB next year if the Ravens are willing to part with him, which I doubt.

Not sure why you think that. He generated very little interest as a free agent this year.

The reason there wasn't any news of interest for Jamal Lewis last offseason, was because the Ravens took him off the market relatively quickly. I am from Denver, and as I said, the day before Lewis was to make a trip to Denver, the Ravens made sure to sign him before any other teams could court him. Shanahan was very interested, and who is to say he wouldn't be next year if Bell does not carry the load or gets injured.

Another reason the Ravens resigned him before he really started selling himself to other teams is because there were rumblings from Lewis' camp that he would love to play in the Steelers offense. No way did the Ravens want to face Jamal Lewis with the Steelers twice a year.

 

[Irish]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Another reason the Ravens resigned him before he really started selling himself to other teams is because there were rumblings from Lewis' camp that he would love to play in the Steelers offense. No way did the Ravens want to face Jamal Lewis with the Steelers twice a year.

I doubt the Ravens really were that worried he'd wind up in Pittsburgh. A guy with Lewis' off-field track record isn't exactly the sort of person the Rooneys lavish with heaps of money. I think it's pretty safe to say that there was pretty much zero chance that Lewis was going to be a Steeler at any point this past offseason.As for the OP: Lewis clearly isn't what he once was. The George comparison is probably not that far off the mark.

 

[Horses Mouth]

To me, Jamal Lewis seems older than he is. I always have to remind myself that he's only 27 years old.

 

[Kiddnets]

Call me crazy but I think we haven't seen the best of J LEwis this year. He has had tough matchups so far -ala Lamont Jordan. I expect some better stats after this week when the schedule loosens up a bit. The good news is as long as they are winning there is no threat to his job.

bro, I hope you are right.

I gambled that I am - I think he has had a brutal early schedule. A nice stretch of easy defenses will do wonders for his stats. Everyone had Lamont dead and buried but a Cleve, SF stretch will have him back in the mix!

 

[mojorizin]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

 

[icehouse]

What do you guys expect of Lewis for the rest of the season? Someone in my league just dropped him, but his future schedule doesn't look that great, outside of games against the Siants, Titans and Browns.

 

[lod2005]

Lewis runs like a total ####. He has zero vision. If a hole is open to the left or right of where he is designed to run, he will more likely run straight into a pile and fall down than to see the hole and go towards it. Highly evident in the game 2 weeks ago. He did have a big run when he bounced one outside but that apparently was to much work for him because he immediately went back to the pitter patter baby steps and ran into the back of the line and fell down the next few runs. He's on notice. I won't stand for it.

Ya know, come to think of it...that was Eddie George's M.O. for his last few years. More to do with being totally slow. Jamal Still has some speed left. Just has no interest in using it unless there is a gaping hole.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

I think the comparison of Lewis to George at the end of his career is a very accurate one.

 

[mojorizin]

What do you guys expect of Lewis for the rest of the season? Someone in my league just dropped him, but his future schedule doesn't look that great, outside of games against the Siants, Titans and Browns.

I don't think he's supplanted in the near future until his production and price are an issue. BB will stick with him and the option has never lit the world on fire. If he has a 100 yard game its a miracle at this point, but he's certainly not a bad option on a bye week or to fill in for an injury. Personally, I wouldnt even consider him a RB2 unless I have some real problems at the position.

 

[KoolKat]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

Just because you wouldn't expect it from him does not change the fact that he actually did run for over 2000 yards, one of only five people to do so in NFL history. For you to say you were not impressed by him after that season, or his 290 yard game makes me discount everything you say, as you are obviously willing to lie to try to prove your point.

 

[mojorizin]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

Just because you wouldn't expect it from him does not change the fact that he actually did run for over 2000 yards, one of only five people to do so in NFL history. For you to say you were not impressed by him after that season, or his 290 yard game makes me discount everything you say, as you are obviously willing to lie to try to prove your point.

How can I lie about an opinion, hoss? How many QBs put up the numbers Warner did in his first year as a starter? The guy challenged Marino's records, had a couple of good years and has faded to extinction. There are times in professional sports when the stars align and pretty good players look like all-time greats. It doesnt mean that they are. I wasnt impressed with Jamal Lewis BEFORE and I'm not impressed with him AFTER. Truth be told, much like Priest Holmes, I'm not all that impressed DURING either. There are 10 backs or more in the league right now that are quite capable of putting up extraordinary numbers exactly like those in the right situation.

 

[KoolKat]

I just don't believe you when you say you weren't impressed with Lewis during his 2003 season. You may say there are ten backs that are capable of rushing for 2000, but only 5 have done it in NFL History. It is easy to say that you were never impressed with Lewis after two down seasons, I wonder what you were thinking after he set an NFL Record with 290 Yds, and during the offseason when you were looking at his 2271 Total Yards.

 

[mojorizin]

I just don't believe you when you say you weren't impressed with Lewis during his 2003 season. You may say there are ten backs that are capable of rushing for 2000, but only 5 have done it in NFL History. It is easy to say that you were never impressed with Lewis after two down seasons, I wonder what you were thinking after he set an NFL Record with 290 Yds, and during the offseason when you were looking at his 2271 Total Yards.

Might say "damn, nice game" but if LT2 would have ran for 295 week 1 v Oakland this season, I'm giving him as much credit as I would for Lewis doing it against the worst team in the league in Cleveland 4 years ago. Guys were talking about Warrick Dunn having a 2,000 yard season after week 2 THIS season. Does this mean a 30 year old little guy thats been "pretty good" is all of a sudden one of the greats of the game? Would I be all that more impressed with Dunn than I've ever been? No, I would recognize that he's getting huge blocks and picking up yards in monster chunks - as much due to whats going on around him as any skill he might have. Unlike LT and other backs, I've never seen Lewis as particularly capable of doing anything without a lot of blocking help. He hasn't gotten that in a while and he is now "just a guy". Are there not players that have put up good numbers that you arent particularly impressed with? Would you have hung label of superstar on Drew Bennett if he'd started together with Volek a full season with 200 yard receiving days? I wouldnt.

 

[mbuehner]

I feel pretty strongly that anybody who thinks Lewis is going to get better as the season goes along is fooling themself. He may have flashes here and there but in general getting tackled 200 more times is not going to make him any better. If its a race to see if defenses break down before J-Lew, i'll take the defenses.

 

[brednbuddah]

FWIW, to get an idea of Lewis' value, I was offered Moulds for him today. (14-team redraft)

 

[Irish]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

Wow your credibility just flew out the window. Lewis may or may not have lost some of his abilities, but the dude is fast even for man his size.

 

[Irish]

What do you guys expect of Lewis for the rest of the season? Someone in my league just dropped him, but his future schedule doesn't look that great, outside of games against the Siants, Titans and Browns.

Don't forget two games against the soft Bengals defense.

 

[Assani Fisher]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

couldn't disagree more and that is what confuses me about Lewis so much. He made a ton of yards all on his own that year. He looked like an all time great RB that year. And now he looks so average. Its weird.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I just don't believe you when you say you weren't impressed with Lewis during his 2003 season. You may say there are ten backs that are capable of rushing for 2000, but only 5 have done it in NFL History. It is easy to say that you were never impressed with Lewis after two down seasons, I wonder what you were thinking after he set an NFL Record with 290 Yds, and during the offseason when you were looking at his 2271 Total Yards.

Might say "damn, nice game" but if LT2 would have ran for 295 week 1 v Oakland this season, I'm giving him as much credit as I would for Lewis doing it against the worst team in the league in Cleveland 4 years ago. Guys were talking about Warrick Dunn having a 2,000 yard season after week 2 THIS season. Does this mean a 30 year old little guy thats been "pretty good" is all of a sudden one of the greats of the game? Would I be all that more impressed with Dunn than I've ever been? No, I would recognize that he's getting huge blocks and picking up yards in monster chunks - as much due to whats going on around him as any skill he might have. Unlike LT and other backs, I've never seen Lewis as particularly capable of doing anything without a lot of blocking help. He hasn't gotten that in a while and he is now "just a guy". Are there not players that have put up good numbers that you arent particularly impressed with? Would you have hung label of superstar on Drew Bennett if he'd started together with Volek a full season with 200 yard receiving days? I wouldnt.

Lewis also gets major props from me for predicting that he'd break the record and then doing it. Seriously I don't know how that doesn't get more press. IMO that might be the greatest guarantee in sports history.

 

[Assani Fisher]

heres clips from his record breaking day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgjEE5euNU0

I can't take anyone seriously who says that he isn't insanely impressive on these runs. Cleveland may have been bad, but they are still an NFL defense and he makes them look silly here.

 

[mojorizin]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

Wow your credibility just flew out the window. Lewis may or may not have lost some of his abilities, but the dude is fast even for man his size.

Oh good lord, why is it necessary around here to go research why you dont like a guy? Why is it that he (or Eddie George, or any other backl) hits the wall? Dont tell me jail took it out of him. He didnt forget how to play football. Unless he runs a 4.2, which I'm sure someone will go and try to verify, he's no faster than any other back in the league by a long shot. The guy aint lightning. Fast for his size? Fine, but he isnt fast enough to turn the corner on many occasions unless that corner is sealed off. With that size and SPEED combination his numbers should have been a heckuva lot better of his career. They are for other backs, why not Lewis. He was in the stratosphere for one season, had two really good seasons of 1300 yards, and he's been serviceable at best every other season. Sorry, but the guy doesnt impress me. I dont want to ever tackle his big ###, but he doesnt impress me.

 

[mojorizin]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

couldn't disagree more and that is what confuses me about Lewis so much. He made a ton of yards all on his own that year. He looked like an all time great RB that year. And now he looks so average. Its weird.

No reason to search for any reasons. It was a fluke, Assani. This stuff happens, man. I know so many people here have to be analytical and have proofs for everything, but sometimes it happens or DOESNT happen and it is what it is. If what happens is what we think would or should happen or what should obviously occur, we'd all be killing Vegas. Bad teams win, Good teams lose, Great players stink up the joint, marginal players win fantasy championships when the sun shines on their butt, and SOMETIMES, pretty good players have everything go their way for a magical season and they break a record and go right back to pretty good or worse.

All I said was the guy doesnt impress me (not that he was ever useless) and a short list of guys that could reach 2000 yards probably wouldnt have had Lewis on it going into that year. He's proven that out ever since.

 

[Irish]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

Wow your credibility just flew out the window. Lewis may or may not have lost some of his abilities, but the dude is fast even for man his size.

Oh good lord, why is it necessary around here to go research why you dont like a guy? Why is it that he (or Eddie George, or any other backl) hits the wall? Dont tell me jail took it out of him. He didnt forget how to play football. Unless he runs a 4.2, which I'm sure someone will go and try to verify, he's no faster than any other back in the league by a long shot. The guy aint lightning. Fast for his size? Fine, but he isnt fast enough to turn the corner on many occasions unless that corner is sealed off. With that size and SPEED combination his numbers should have been a heckuva lot better of his career. They are for other backs, why not Lewis. He was in the stratosphere for one season, had two really good seasons of 1300 yards, and he's been serviceable at best every other season. Sorry, but the guy doesnt impress me. I dont want to ever tackle his big ###, but he doesnt impress me.

Lewis ran something like a 4.41 40 time. There are not too many rbs in the league with that type of speed especially at his size.

 

[Irish]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

couldn't disagree more and that is what confuses me about Lewis so much. He made a ton of yards all on his own that year. He looked like an all time great RB that year. And now he looks so average. Its weird.

No reason to search for any reasons. It was a fluke, Assani. This stuff happens, man. I know so many people here have to be analytical and have proofs for everything, but sometimes it happens or DOESNT happen and it is what it is. If what happens is what we think would or should happen or what should obviously occur, we'd all be killing Vegas. Bad teams win, Good teams lose, Great players stink up the joint, marginal players win fantasy championships when the sun shines on their butt, and SOMETIMES, pretty good players have everything go their way for a magical season and they break a record and go right back to pretty good or worse.

All I said was the guy doesnt impress me (not that he was ever useless) and a short list of guys that could reach 2000 yards probably wouldnt have had Lewis on it going into that year. He's proven that out ever since.

Flukes are one game Timmy Smiths, not for an entire NFL season. You state it like it's just magic and any player can have a 2,000 yard season. To get 2,000 yards in a season you have to be a Great player Period. Now you can debate intelligently that he is not the same player, but you cannot deny at least what a great player he once was. 2, 000 yards wins all debates.

 

[mojorizin]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

Wow your credibility just flew out the window. Lewis may or may not have lost some of his abilities, but the dude is fast even for man his size.

Oh good lord, why is it necessary around here to go research why you dont like a guy? Why is it that he (or Eddie George, or any other backl) hits the wall? Dont tell me jail took it out of him. He didnt forget how to play football. Unless he runs a 4.2, which I'm sure someone will go and try to verify, he's no faster than any other back in the league by a long shot. The guy aint lightning. Fast for his size? Fine, but he isnt fast enough to turn the corner on many occasions unless that corner is sealed off. With that size and SPEED combination his numbers should have been a heckuva lot better of his career. They are for other backs, why not Lewis. He was in the stratosphere for one season, had two really good seasons of 1300 yards, and he's been serviceable at best every other season. Sorry, but the guy doesnt impress me. I dont want to ever tackle his big ###, but he doesnt impress me.

Lewis ran something like a 4.41 40 time. There are not too many rbs in the league with that type of speed especially at his size.

Yet the guy struggles. Half the seasons he plays, he struggles. The 2000 yard season was after the knee injury so it isnt that. There were factors in that season that made it possible that were above and beyond what Lewis has shown himself capable of. There are several backs in the league right now with better career numbers than Lewis and a handful of younger guys in the league that will eclipse them. They may not have a 2,000 yard season, but over their career they'll be much better backs. We could argue this all day, but he had only 3 seasons of being an elite back and there likely wont be any more. I wont argue that he had some ability, if no one else argues that he doesn't impress me too much.

 

[mbuehner]

Lewis ran something like a 4.41 40 time. There are not too many rbs in the league with that type of speed especially at his size.

And i used to weigh 170 pounds. Sadly both those things are now completely irrelevant.

 

[mojorizin]

He's a guy with 3 good years in his career. One of which was an utter miracle. Another year at 1000 yards but half the league does that nowadays. Just never been impressed with the guy, so yeah, I guess he IS Eddie George.

Wow 2,000 yard rushers don't impress you? This has to be a fishing trip.

Not even close. Of all the RBs in this league, he is the LAST guy I would expect it from. He's not very fast, not very smooth, makes himself a huge target and couldnt pick up his feet with a crane. He was SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS over his best year in that season, and even then he only had what I would consider great numbers twice before. He had positively gaping holes in the line that year. Complete fluke. It happens. There are college kids with those numbers that have no more that a cup of coffee in the NFL. Sometimes it all comes together. Think Priest Holmes/Emmitt Smith would break TD records anywhere but in KC and Dallas with some of the best lines in football history?Not to say he wasnt a very good back for a limited time, but like George, we go on for 3-4 seasons thinking he'll put it together again, but he won't as he doesnt have the physical talent to do it on his own. Other than being a moose, he now has absolutely nothing going for him.

couldn't disagree more and that is what confuses me about Lewis so much. He made a ton of yards all on his own that year. He looked like an all time great RB that year. And now he looks so average. Its weird.

No reason to search for any reasons. It was a fluke, Assani. This stuff happens, man. I know so many people here have to be analytical and have proofs for everything, but sometimes it happens or DOESNT happen and it is what it is. If what happens is what we think would or should happen or what should obviously occur, we'd all be killing Vegas. Bad teams win, Good teams lose, Great players stink up the joint, marginal players win fantasy championships when the sun shines on their butt, and SOMETIMES, pretty good players have everything go their way for a magical season and they break a record and go right back to pretty good or worse.

All I said was the guy doesnt impress me (not that he was ever useless) and a short list of guys that could reach 2000 yards probably wouldnt have had Lewis on it going into that year. He's proven that out ever since.

Flukes are one game Timmy Smiths, not for an entire NFL season. You state it like it's just magic and any player can have a 2,000 yard season. To get 2,000 yards in a season you have to be a Great player Period. Now you can debate intelligently that he is not the same player, but you cannot deny at least what a great player he once was. 2, 000 yards wins all debates.

Is Kurt Warner a great player? Seriously. Is Muhsin Muhammed truly a great player? These are guys that put up huge numbers in the right situation. You have to have ability to reach 2,000 yards, without a doubt. Without. A. Doubt. Kevan Barlow couldnt have a 2000 yard season if he played 2 man fronts. That said, JLew had so few good/great seasons, I don't consider him a fantastic player. You dont have a 2000 yard season and then suck if you are a great player.Is Lewis a Hall of Famer? Is that because of his career, or because of one season?

 

[rgmnchr]

I dont think the 2003 season was a fluke. I just think that he rushed for over 2000 yds with a litttle help from a little friend I like to call "the juice". Just my opinion.

 

[mojorizin]

I dont think the 2003 season was a fluke. I just think that he rushed for over 2000 yds with a litttle help from a little friend I like to call "the juice". Just my opinion.

That wouldnt surprise me in the least.

 

[mbuehner]

Flukes are one game Timmy Smiths, not for an entire NFL season. You state it like it's just magic and any player can have a 2,000 yard season. To get 2,000 yards in a season you have to be a Great player Period.

Having 387 carries in a season is rare too. FPs are actually a pretty good picture of who is more productive. Its pretty telling that Lewis's 2000 yard season still only gave him the 24th highest fantasy RB season in history. He didnt even win his year, he came in 4th behind LT2, Ahman, and Priest. Priest ended up with 62 more fantasy points. Lewis had a great season, but he did by compiling a ton of carries. Not by scoring a scad of TDs or breaking long ones or catching passes. Now whats all this mean? Simple- Lewis can have a great season _if_ he can compile a ton of carries. In order for him to crack the top 5 in fantasy RBs, he literally had to have one of the 5 best rushing seasons in history.

So basically if you buy into Lewis you have to buy into the theory that he is going to be able to carry a 300+ carry load, and thats just to be a top 20ish RB. Why waste time on wondering if Lewis is going to break down (likely) before he compiles a mediocre season?