Jacoby Ford, WR Raiders (1 Viewer)

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I was really impressed with Jacoby Ford the second half of the 2010 NFL season. What can we expect from him from here on out? Is he the next DeSean Jackson type player? He has the speed, he has the moves, but he doesn't have the QB.

1) What's his ceiling? - my thought is DeSean Jackson

2) What's his floor? - Tedd Ginn Jr. (might be a bit harsh)

3) What is his 2011 rookie draft equivalent? - My value: I would trade him for a top 5 pick, but not 6 and beyond. Jacoby is now a known NFL quality player with as much upside as anyone outside of picks 1-5 (Green, Jones, Ingram, LeShoure, Williams).

4) What can you get him for in most leagues? I think he's a buy now and you can get at the right price, but what's that price?

 

[Chimp Magnet]

The QB situation scares me a little in Oakland but I'd agree with your value. I think it's clear that DHB is going to be the guy, at least in my opinion. That leaves the spot open for Jacoby. He's shown flashes of brilliance...and a few that make ya wonder. But overall I wouldnt move him for anything less than a top 5 pick.

That being said, I'm not sure what his actual value is. I own him and am pretty high on him. Couldn't even guess if the rest of my league even knows if there is more than one Jacoby in the NFL.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm with you on this.

I traded Garrard and Heath Miller for him two weeks ago in my dynasty league...and the move was generally laughed at. Yes, trading my bye-week filler at QB (which can almost be found on the waiver wire, if you have an elite starter) and my 3rd-4th TE, who had a terrible year, for a young, explosive WR was looked down upon. Couldn't believe it, I think I got a steal. I was actually trying not to seem so eager offering various trades and waiting for him to counter/accept.

My take on the above? You and I actually watched some of Jacoby Ford at the end of the season, saw the magic, and are smarter than those who think Ford is a nobody or should actually lose value now that the kickoff rules have changed.

 

[squistion]

I think DHB will ultimately be viewed as a bust and that Ford and Murphy should be the starting WRs this year (maybe Chaz Schillens will be in the mix too, but I am not holding my breath on that). As far as your questions on Ford...

1) Ceiling? Carolina Steve Smith

2) Floor? Mark Bradley

3) 2001 rookie draft equivalent? I am currently in the 1.08 to 1.10 range - I might go as high as 1.06 depending on how the NFL draft shakes out.

4) What can you get him for in most leagues? I haven't tried to acquire him, but I suspect that since the word is not out on him yet, probably a late first (1.08-1.12) would do the trick. Maybe even a low 2nd as a draft unfolds and everybody wants the bright and shiny new toys.

 

[loose circuits]

this guy has monster potential, and new coach has already said they are gonna get him the ball

I expect nothing but good things. I like him more than any WR in this draft past Jones/Green. I need WR's in the league I own him so it would either be 1.03 or I'd need a WR back

 

[mcintyre1]

I think DHB will ultimately be viewed as a bust and that Ford and Murphy should be the starting WRs this year (maybe Chaz Schillens will be in the mix too, but I am not holding my breath on that). As far as your questions on Ford...

1) Ceiling? Carolina Steve Smith

2) Floor? Mark Bradley

3) 2001 rookie draft equivalent? I am currently in the 1.08 to 1.10 range - I might go as high as 1.06 depending on how the NFL draft shakes out.

4) What can you get him for in most leagues? I haven't tried to acquire him, but I suspect that since the word is not out on him yet, probably a late first (1.08-1.12) would do the trick. Maybe even a low 2nd as a draft unfolds and everybody wants the bright and shiny new toys.

Good call. Got him for 2.03.

I have no idea why this guy isn't valued higher. He's got truly elite speed, and he's proven to my eyes that he's a gamer on the field, fighting for catches. I'll gladly take him over a Titus Young.

 

[loose circuits]

no reason not to like him outside of the QB situation which can still produce a decent WR. Campbell likes throwing him the rock and they'll get their best play maker involved early & often

 

[Touchdown There]

He's shown flashes of brilliance...and a few that make ya wonder.

Some of those catches really did have me wondering "does he catch all deep balls like that or was that just one of his lucky grabs?" He certainly found a groove late last season and was a top notch waiver add in leagues that award KR/PR points. Too bad he plays for the Raiders.I am sure that we are going to find out everything that we need to know about Jacoby Ford in 2011.

 

[sihaokills]

I think he could be a dangerous weapon like Davone Bess with big play capabilities

 

[LawFitz]

Too bad he plays for the Raiders.

Well he could instead be playing for one of the 26 teams that finished below the Raiders in NFL scoring last season.

 

[LawFitz]

I think he could be a dangerous weapon like Davone Bess with big play capabilities

I love Bess, but Ford has a higher upside IMO. He's much more explosive. I'd say a younger version of Carolina Steve Smith is the better comp.

 

[Touchdown There]

Too bad he plays for the Raiders.

Well he could instead be playing for one of the 26 teams that finished below the Raiders in NFL scoring last season.

That is one statistic. Here is another one, the Oakland Raiders record the last 5 years:2006 2 - 142007 4 - 122008 5 - 112009 5 - 11 2010 8 - 8 Consistently bad and they are still looking for a franchise QB right now. The Chargers are going to be tough next year and you may want to temper Raider fever.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Too bad he plays for the Raiders.

Well he could instead be playing for one of the 26 teams that finished below the Raiders in NFL scoring last season.

That is one statistic. Here is another one, the Oakland Raiders record the last 5 years:2006 2 - 142007 4 - 122008 5 - 112009 5 - 11 2010 8 - 8 Consistently bad and they are still looking for a franchise QB right now. The Chargers are going to be tough next year and you may want to temper Raider fever.

What does any of that have to do with Ford's potential in the Raider's offense? Actually, many times a bad team leads to playing from behind, and better passing/receiving stats. So this says nothing about Ford.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Too bad he plays for the Raiders.

Well he could instead be playing for one of the 26 teams that finished below the Raiders in NFL scoring last season.

That is one statistic. Here is another one, the Oakland Raiders record the last 5 years:2006 2 - 142007 4 - 122008 5 - 112009 5 - 11 2010 8 - 8 Consistently bad and they are still looking for a franchise QB right now. The Chargers are going to be tough next year and you may want to temper Raider fever.

So a team that has been bad for some time and has a dramatic improvement in one year doesn't sound like a team that is trending up? Please put aside any fan bias or presumption and be realistic. No, no one is saying Campbell is a Franchise QB. But how many franchise QB's are there? Are you going to ignore all teams that have no franchise QB? The Raiders are clearly a team on the way up, sweeping their division, and yes those same Chargers you claim to be "tough". There is a some continuity in that former OC Hue Jackson is now the head coach, and the team responded to his leadership. The running game was one of the tops in the league in every category. Now with Al Saunders as OC, it will only get better. The O-line is in flux, I'll admit as much. But Ford is a rare talent, and people want to dismiss that because he wears the Silver and Black. Comments like "too bad he plays for the Raiders" are just personal bias. Doesn't matter if you hate the Raiders, the common knowledge everyone in the SP wants to know is if Jacoby Ford the player can be a value to their FF team.ETA: Just curious if you could explain to all of us why it's too bad he plays for the Raiders? From a FF perspective. I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Touchdown There]

Too bad he plays for the Raiders.

Well he could instead be playing for one of the 26 teams that finished below the Raiders in NFL scoring last season.

That is one statistic. Here is another one, the Oakland Raiders record the last 5 years:2006 2 - 14

2007 4 - 12

2008 5 - 11

2009 5 - 11

2010 8 - 8

Consistently bad and they are still looking for a franchise QB right now. The Chargers are going to be tough next year and you may want to temper Raider fever.

So a team that has been bad for some time and has a dramatic improvement in one year doesn't sound like a team that is trending up? Please put aside any fan bias or presumption and be realistic. No, no one is saying Campbell is a Franchise QB. But how many franchise QB's are there? Are you going to ignore all teams that have no franchise QB? The Raiders are clearly a team on the way up, sweeping their division, and yes those same Chargers you claim to be "tough". There is a some continuity in that former OC Hue Jackson is now the head coach, and the team responded to his leadership. The running game was one of the tops in the league in every category. Now with Al Saunders as OC, it will only get better. The O-line is in flux, I'll admit as much.

But Ford is a rare talent, and people want to dismiss that because he wears the Silver and Black. Comments like "too bad he plays for the Raiders" are just personal bias. Doesn't matter if you hate the Raiders, the common knowledge everyone in the SP wants to know is if Jacoby Ford the player can be a value to their FF team.

ETA: Just curious if you could explain to all of us why it's too bad he plays for the Raiders? From a FF perspective. I'll hang up and listen.

No fan bias here. The Raiders stink because of their record. How many #1 WR's has Oakland produced the last 5 years? In 2006 Randy Moss caught 42 for 553 yds. Not so great. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/phil_taylor/11/08/moss/index.htmlI wish Jacoby Ford was drafted by the Colts last year. He would be a #1 right now. Sorry Raiders homers.

You can get back on the phone now, from a FF perspective.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Too bad he plays for the Raiders.

Well he could instead be playing for one of the 26 teams that finished below the Raiders in NFL scoring last season.

That is one statistic. Here is another one, the Oakland Raiders record the last 5 years:2006 2 - 14

2007 4 - 12

2008 5 - 11

2009 5 - 11

2010 8 - 8

Consistently bad and they are still looking for a franchise QB right now. The Chargers are going to be tough next year and you may want to temper Raider fever.

So a team that has been bad for some time and has a dramatic improvement in one year doesn't sound like a team that is trending up? Please put aside any fan bias or presumption and be realistic. No, no one is saying Campbell is a Franchise QB. But how many franchise QB's are there? Are you going to ignore all teams that have no franchise QB? The Raiders are clearly a team on the way up, sweeping their division, and yes those same Chargers you claim to be "tough". There is a some continuity in that former OC Hue Jackson is now the head coach, and the team responded to his leadership. The running game was one of the tops in the league in every category. Now with Al Saunders as OC, it will only get better. The O-line is in flux, I'll admit as much.

But Ford is a rare talent, and people want to dismiss that because he wears the Silver and Black. Comments like "too bad he plays for the Raiders" are just personal bias. Doesn't matter if you hate the Raiders, the common knowledge everyone in the SP wants to know is if Jacoby Ford the player can be a value to their FF team.

ETA: Just curious if you could explain to all of us why it's too bad he plays for the Raiders? From a FF perspective. I'll hang up and listen.

No fan bias here. The Raiders stink because of their record. How many #1 WR's has Oakland produced the last 5 years? In 2006 Randy Moss caught 42 for 553 yds. Not so great. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/phil_taylor/11/08/moss/index.htmlI wish Jacoby Ford was drafted by the Colts last year. He would be a #1 right now. Sorry Raiders homers.

You can get back on the phone now, from a FF perspective.

I don't think many people care so much for the days of Randy Moss and what happened 5 years ago. We are here to discuss what we think is the future. Are you claiming that Raiders will always suck to perpetuity? Tell us again why you think Ford is going to suck? Because Peyton Manning isn't throwing him the ball? I don't know many FF owners who won any titles by choosing only Colts WR's. That is the definition of homerism. Do some research on the Raiders and come back with a better prepared/informed opinion. Thanks.

 

[Clifford]

I don't like either team but anyone expecting the raiders WR1 to be a fantasy WR1 is crazy. If you can get Ford for peanuts there's a chance he develops into a consistent Wr3 and an inconsistent WR2. But that team put a semblance of an offense up last season for the first time in recent memory, and the QB and WRs had very little to do with it.

If the Raiders are smart at all (and that's up for debate) they keep Bush, and hammer opponents with the run game all day long. Ford is a streaker and I see an average of 2.5 cpg for 2011. He's no better than other guys on their roster really. If Schillens ever gets healthy or DHB emerges in his third year (it's happened) then Ford is looking to split a very small pie 3 ways.

 

[foxco]

I don't like either team but anyone expecting the raiders WR1 to be a fantasy WR1 is crazy. If you can get Ford for peanuts there's a chance he develops into a consistent Wr3 and an inconsistent WR2. But that team put a semblance of an offense up last season for the first time in recent memory, and the QB and WRs had very little to do with it. If the Raiders are smart at all (and that's up for debate) they keep Bush, and hammer opponents with the run game all day long. Ford is a streaker and I see an average of 2.5 cpg for 2011. He's no better than other guys on their roster really. If Schillens ever gets healthy or DHB emerges in his third year (it's happened) then Ford is looking to split a very small pie 3 ways.

I actually think Louis Murphy is going to develop into the best all around WR on the team. When Ford emerged people forgot that Murphy began the season as a productive WR before getting injured. I like Ford but don't think he'll be consistent and he seems a bit too expensive to buy, though the trade above where the guy gave a 2.03 is a solid deal. A mid-1st, no way.

 

[mcintyre1]

I don't like either team but anyone expecting the raiders WR1 to be a fantasy WR1 is crazy. If you can get Ford for peanuts there's a chance he develops into a consistent Wr3 and an inconsistent WR2. But that team put a semblance of an offense up last season for the first time in recent memory, and the QB and WRs had very little to do with it. If the Raiders are smart at all (and that's up for debate) they keep Bush, and hammer opponents with the run game all day long. Ford is a streaker and I see an average of 2.5 cpg for 2011. He's no better than other guys on their roster really. If Schillens ever gets healthy or DHB emerges in his third year (it's happened) then Ford is looking to split a very small pie 3 ways.

I actually think Louis Murphy is going to develop into the best all around WR on the team. When Ford emerged people forgot that Murphy began the season as a productive WR before getting injured. I like Ford but don't think he'll be consistent and he seems a bit too expensive to buy, though the trade above where the guy gave a 2.03 is a solid deal. A mid-1st, no way.

In most drafts I would agree with you that a mid 1st is too much to pay, but in this draft, I'm less sure. This draft class is very flat after the top guys, with a ton of guys that, on paper, are pretty equal. In most cases, I'd take Ford over a lot of the guys going in the mid-late first this year.

 

[psychobillies]

I love this guy. He's already shown me more than all of the other Raider WR's combined, and it's not even close. Shilens? Simply has not produced. Murphy? Solid player with limited upside from what I've seen. DHB? Could he break out? Sure, but Ford already has done more in half of a rookie season. Granted, I play in return yardage leagues, but even in the ones I don't Ford is the only Raider receiver I'll be targeting.

 

[corpcow]

The second catch here is an example of why I'm high on Ford:

He's a speed guy - 4.3 40 - but he plays bigger. Plays likes Steve Smith, IMO, for his size - he has, in Bloom's words, that my ball mentality.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The second catch here is an example of why I'm high on Ford:

He's being compared with Steve Smith most often when people talk about him. People that actually watch him play make a good comparison. It's a good point about the "my ball" mentality. He goes up in between defenders and grabs the ball at the high point and wrestles it away with ferocity.

 

[Eastwood]

I'm on the Ford train. Just took him in the 7th of a PPR start up dynasty.

 

[finito]

I like him but I also like Murphy - those should be the Raiders starting wideouts.

 

[Chimp Magnet]

Ford broke his hand today. Hearing 2-6 weeks.

 

[Faust]

Ford broke his hand today. Hearing 2-6 weeks.

Uggghh! That is too bad, as he was off to a good start in the opening practices of training camp and was starting to build some serious buzz. Still a huge fan of his for dynasty purposes.

 

[Chimp Magnet]

Now hearing just 2 weeks. Didn't sound TOO serious. Still not good.

 

[T with T]

I'm with you on this.

I traded Garrard and Heath Miller for him two weeks ago in my dynasty league...and the move was generally laughed at. Yes, trading my bye-week filler at QB (which can almost be found on the waiver wire, if you have an elite starter) and my 3rd-4th TE, who had a terrible year, for a young, explosive WR was looked down upon. Couldn't believe it, I think I got a steal. I was actually trying not to seem so eager offering various trades and waiting for him to counter/accept.

My take on the above? You and I actually watched some of Jacoby Ford at the end of the season, saw the magic, and are smarter than those who think Ford is a nobody or should actually lose value now that the kickoff rules have changed.

[/quote ]

wow you play in a real smart league if they lauged at you for gettin ford for them two clowns... where can I sign up.

 

[T with T]

The second catch here is an example of why I'm high on Ford:

hes a 4.2 guy....

 

[Doug B]

Now hearing just 2 weeks. Didn't sound TOO serious. Still not good.

Depending on the location and type of break, it might not be too bad. Hard to know without the medical specifics.If he really can come back to practice in two weeks, Ford could actually see action in the last two pre-season games. More likely, I guess, it would just be the last one.

 

[baconisgood]

Ford broke his hand today. Hearing 2-6 weeks.

Sounding more and more like Steve Smith every day- any reports of DBs with broken noses?

 

[SWC]

this guy is a spicy fast muchacho thats one thing you can say right there

 

[gbill2004]

Jacoby Ford is wearing a hard cast on his broken left hand and is believed to be recovering from surgery.Ford's original timetable was two weeks, but that was optimistic. Coach Hue Jackson did say Monday that Ford should be ready for Week 1. It isn't like Ford is in danger of falling down the depth chart with Darrius Heyward-Bey (undisclosed) also out. At the very least, Ford will be the primary slot receiver.

 

[ThePittbully]

I have him in two return yardage leagues and I wouldn't trade him for anything lower than 1.3, I like the Steve Smith comparisons. He not only has incredible speed, but great hands and is aggressive when going after the ball. If you watched this guy play last year it's hard not to be high on him

 

[johnadams]

I have him in two return yardage leagues and I wouldn't trade him for anything lower than 1.3, I like the Steve Smith comparisons. He not only has incredible speed, but great hands and is aggressive when going after the ball. If you watched this guy play last year it's hard not to be high on him

He's one of the more unique players in the game. To me, he's a stud in the making, Tough, aggressive, and faster than anyone on the field, he needs some seasoning with routes and progressions, but I saw a lot of him last year and I am thoroughly impressed, Hard to compare him to Steve Smith yet as Smith is flat out one of the toughest WRs I've ever seen, regardless of size, but he can become similar, I love Ford's ability in the open field and I fully expect Hue Jacksom, who showed what a little creativity could do with great players like ford, McF, and Reese to get the most out of him, I'm very bullish in Ford in dynasty, though I think it needs to be tempered a bit this year,

 

[LHUCKS]

It's rare that a player Ford's size becomes a top fantasy producer...yes there are exceptions, but those exceptions usually reside on top offensive teams. Jackson has Reid's Eagles, when Steve Smith shined the Panthers were largely a good team.

If Ford is to make a fantasy impact, a lot of stars will have to align.

 

[LHUCKS]

Now hearing just 2 weeks. Didn't sound TOO serious. Still not good.

Not uncommon for smaller WRs.Steve Smith is the RARE exception, not the rule.That's why I love Steve Smith.

 

[bonesman]

I have him in two return yardage leagues and I wouldn't trade him for anything lower than 1.3, I like the Steve Smith comparisons. He not only has incredible speed, but great hands and is aggressive when going after the ball. If you watched this guy play last year it's hard not to be high on him

That part of his game is almost completely nullified with KOs moving back up to the 35 yd line. I suppose he could return punts but he didn't at all last year.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Jacoby Ford’s recovery timeline uncertain after breaking hand

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 2, 2011, 9:27 AM EDT

Raiders wide receiver Jacoby Ford broke his hand last week in camp, with the Raiders initially saying he could be back in two weeks.

Subsequent reports said it might be more like 3-4 weeks, and now coach Hue Jackson will only say that he believes Ford will be ready for the season opener.

Losing Ford in training camp is a big blow because the Raiders are expecting him to take a big step forward this year. The Raiders also haven’t seen Darrius Heyward-Bey practice yet because of an undisclosed injury. (Shocker.)

For now, Chaz Schilens is healthy and Louis Murphy are lining up as starters. Oakland’s wideout depth is decent, but at times it feels like they have four No. 2/No. 3 receivers.

That’s one reason why they can’t afford to lose Zach Miller.

Ugh!

Heard this song and dance last year with Michael Bush. If Miller is gone, expect Schilens to pick up his catches as the possesion move-the-chains guy. Hopefully Ford will return on cue. He's the best open field playmaker, and a threat to take it to the house on any play. Murphy and Moore are going to hae to pick up the slack, and DHB is ....

 

[loose circuits]

so it seems he's healthy and they may be scaling back his return usage for him to focus on starting WR duties. What type of value should he have in PPR dynasty leagues now? Is he worth a 2012 1st or close to that?

 

[az_prof]

so it seems he's healthy and they may be scaling back his return usage for him to focus on starting WR duties. What type of value should he have in PPR dynasty leagues now? Is he worth a 2012 1st or close to that?

Not to me. Not even close.

 

[Eastwood]

so it seems he's healthy and they may be scaling back his return usage for him to focus on starting WR duties. What type of value should he have in PPR dynasty leagues now? Is he worth a 2012 1st or close to that?

He was worth a late 1st this year, by next year this time, he will be worth even more.

 

[squistion]

so it seems he's healthy and they may be scaling back his return usage for him to focus on starting WR duties. What type of value should he have in PPR dynasty leagues now? Is he worth a 2012 1st or close to that?

A late 2012 1st, yes (to the extent it could be determined). He was impressive at the end of last season and some here have likened him to Steve Smith (Carolina). The preseason rise of Moore muddles the picture slightly, but it appears that Ford is clearly the #1 WR for the Raiders and is no more dicey a proposition than what would be any late 1st or early 2nd at this time.

 

[(HULK)]

IMO, he finishes a top 24 WR this season.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Is he still the #1 WR here? I haven't heard much on him since the hand injury and all the chatter seems to be about Hagan and Moore.

 

[az_prof]

There is a chance he breaks out into a reliable fantasy WR3, but I doubt it.

1) He had a good rookie campaign, but 25 catches and 2 TDs is nothing special. Yes, it was a rookie year and it is fair to expect him to do better. But that doesn't mean he is going to turn into a top 30 NFL receiver.

2) It does look like he has talent, and could develop into a good NFL receiver. But there are other things that he needs to overcome:

a) Qb play; his QB is in the bottom third of the league. That won't change anytime soon.

b) His team: the Raiders stink and losing their top TE and CB won't help in 2011.

3) Let's assume that Ford is the best receiver on his team; who would you double team in passing situations with Miller gone? Can Ford beat double teams?

4)He is a smallish receiver. That doesn't mean he can't be effective as DJax and Steve Smith and Harvin prove, but, if you look at the top receivers there are a lot more of them who have speed AND size.

To me he looks like a guy who will help the Raiders more than he will help a fantasy owner.

I expect him to be somewhere in the 50 reception range, 750 yards, and 6 TDs.

To the guy who says he is worth a late first this year and even more next year, I disagree. I won my dynasty league and had the 12th pick; took Cobb with it. I like Cobb's upside in the GB offense with Rodgers throwing the ball much more than Ford's upside in Oakland. It's that simple.

The problem is that people assume every team will have a WR1, and that the WR1 will be at least a WR2 (top 24) WR for fantasy. But that doesn't always happen. The Raiders are a run first team and even when they pass, McFadden is going to get a lot of the looks. McFadden is the engine on that team, such as it is. Right now there is a cluster of guys at WR who have flashed potential but haven't really done anything consistently, including Ford. He is the youngest, and so people assume he will emerge because they haven't soured on him yet. But as others have said, it could be Murphy, Schilens, or DHB that emerges. And whomever does emerge, will likely face double coverage with Miller gone. I think losing Miller is going to hurt the Raider's offense a lot.

Personally, if I were to own an Oakland receiver it would be Moore.

 

[Tenacious]

I was really impressed with Jacoby Ford the second half of the 2010 NFL season. What can we expect from him from here on out? Is he the next DeSean Jackson type player? He has the speed, he has the moves, but he doesn't have the QB.

1) What's his ceiling? - my thought is DeSean Jackson

2) What's his floor? - Tedd Ginn Jr. (might be a bit harsh)

3) What is his 2011 rookie draft equivalent? - My value: I would trade him for a top 5 pick, but not 6 and beyond. Jacoby is now a known NFL quality player with as much upside as anyone outside of picks 1-5 (Green, Jones, Ingram, LeShoure, Williams).

4) What can you get him for in most leagues? I think he's a buy now and you can get at the right price, but what's that price?

Waaaaay conservative on your 2nd point. Much higher floor than Ginn. He's proven that already.

 

[Eastwood]

He's the real deal. And D. Moore will help keep the D's honest. Its fun to make fun of Al Davis and the Raiders, but even a hater like me who is still bitter over the '84 SB can admit the Raiders have finally built an offense with players who can actually play. McFadden, Bush, Ford, and Moore are a great young nucleus. Its just a shame they let Miller walk.