Jags WR Northcutt Clear Cut Favorite (1 Viewer)

[DenverBroncos]

JACKSONVILLE -- The Jaguars can't tell you whom their next No. 1 receiver will be -- if there is one -- or even how a trio of returning pass-catchers will mesh with a slew of newcomers.

But they know this: Dennis Northcutt is going to help them.

The seven-year veteran has a vast working knowledge of three-receiver offenses and how to get open in them. He also has a knack for finding his role within the offense and making it a key one.

With five workouts until the end of offseason workouts, the Jaguars understand why.

"Dennis has been a terrific addition," Jags Coach Jack Del Rio said Tuesday as his team got back to practicing after more than a week off. "He brings speed, suddenness, veteran savvy. The other thing he brings to our locker room is a guy that's done it. He understands what it takes to be a pro. He's been a tremendous influence on our young receivers."

The Jags lured Northcutt in free agency with a five-year, $17 million contract that included a $4.5 million signing bonus. The contract means a certain spot in the starting lineup, which means less time for one of three veteran wideouts, Ernest Wilford, Reggie Williams or Matt Jones.

So far that person is Jones, who has had trouble keeping his legs healthy during minicamp and OTAs.

Jacksonville added UCF's Mike Walker, San Jose State's John Broussard and free-agent Jimmy Farris to a group that also includes second-year receiver Charles Sharon. All of them, old and young, have one thing in common.

"None of these guys have made it to the second contract [of their careers]," Northcutt said. "In this league, you haven't done anything till you've got that second contract."

Northcutt is starting his third, to which he attributes a simple philosophy.

"Don't worry about the next guy," he said. "Take care of yourself, your body, learn the offense and do what you do. . . . I used to play with guys who said, 'Don't tell him stuff.' Well, I'm here to win games. I want to get to a Super Bowl. That's the bottom line in this league."

He decided he wasn't going to get to a Super Bowl in Cleveland, where he spent the first seven seasons of his career. Jags running backs coach Kennedy Pola and secondary coach Dave Campo got to know Northcutt when they were on the Browns' staff. Each recommended the receiver to Del Rio before this year's free-agent period opened.

From 2002-05, Northcutt averaged 49 receptions, but last year signaled he needed a change. The Browns moved him from slot receiver, where he had more space to maneuver around cornerbacks, to wide receiver, where he did not.

He caught 22 passes for zero touchdowns. He wanted a new offense. And Jacksonville needed at least one new receiver to help a passing game needing a lifeline.

Suddenly he's the senior statesman. And glad to be it.

"It's just like I envisioned it," he said. "You see teams around the league when you watch film, and this team has been on the verge of being there. That's something you want to be a part of."

Tuesday was also a banner day of sorts for the Jags' OTAs. Second-year tight end Marcedes Lewis practiced for the first time in three weeks. He injured his hamstring during a three-day minicamp last month. Del Rio is curious to see if Lewis can stay on the field through five more practices.

Man, Matt Jones stock is hitting an all time low. I had high expectations for this guy in the NFL but it looks like it is time to cut bait. He is a bye week filler AT BEST this year.

 

[lions327]

Man, Matt Jones stock is hitting an all time low. I had high expectations for this guy in the NFL but it looks like it is time to cut bait. He is a bye week filler AT BEST this year.

I think it is MUCH too early to say this. Training camp hasn't even started yet.

 

[LBH]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

 

[DenverBroncos]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

While I agree with you, I don't think any Jag WR would ever be really worth starting so you will not see me drafting one. I pray that my opponent starts Northcutt against me or Matt Jones or Wilford. Only Reggie Williams should produce a little this year and Walker is a good dynasty prospect.

 

[LBH]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

While I agree with you, I don't think any Jag WR would ever be really worth starting so you will not see me drafting one. I pray that my opponent starts Northcutt against me or Matt Jones or Wilford. Only Reggie Williams should produce a little this year and Walker is a good dynasty prospect.

I hear you, but for teams with 30 man rosters a late rd flier on a guy like Northcutt isnt a terrible idea. They have been doing a lot of talking about being more aggressive in the passing game, and attacking downfield.

 

[bostonfred]

In his rookie season in 2000, he was second on the team in receptions with 38, behind Kevin Johnson, and one catch ahead of Patten. In his second year, he barely played. In his third season, he was third on the depth chart behind KJ and Quincy Morgan. He still had 38 receptions, and a young Andre Davis had 37. The team got rid of Kevin Johnson, and if you remember, felt pretty good about their young receivers at the time. In his fourth season, it was Northcutt who led the team in receptions with 62 for 729 yards. Davis and Morgan had just 40 and 38 each. 41 of those were with Kelly Holcomb, the other 21 were with Couch, who the Browns got rid of in the offseason. In his fifth season, Northcutt again led the team in receptions, this time with 55 for 806 yards. Next on the team was Antonio Bryant, with 46 for 546. The quarterbacks were Garcia, Holcomb, and McCown. In his sixth season, Bryant emerged, with 69 catches for 1009 yards. Northcutt was second with 42 receptions for 441 yards. Unspectacular, but so was the play of Trent Dilfer and Charlie Frye, who combined for 3323 yards, 15 TDs, and 18 INTs. In his seventh season, the team went out and got Joe Jurevicius, and a finally-healthy Winslow led the league in receptions with 89. Between Winslow, Heiden, Edwards, and Jurevicius, there really wasn't a lot of room left for a #3 WR to put up big numbers, and Northcutt was asked to focus more on his role as a returner while putting up just 21 receptions. So overall, I don't think he was that disappointing - I think he's just a possession/slot receiver who will never get great TD numbers but is otherwise pretty solid. I know this is a lot of text for a 17th round pick, but he's an intriguing player to me, and one I knew I could get super late.

Some conversation on Northcutt from one of the pre draft survivor leagues. There's some other good discussion about him in that thread.

 

[Warpig]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

While I agree with you, I don't think any Jag WR would ever be really worth starting so you will not see me drafting one. I pray that my opponent starts Northcutt against me or Matt Jones or Wilford. Only Reggie Williams should produce a little this year and Walker is a good dynasty prospect.

DenverBroncos,I know it seems like I've been picking on you alot in these threads...but it's because of comments like above.

What makes you say this? From what I've heard, Matt Jones and Reggie have been assuming their usual positions on the sidelines nursing injuries...AGAIN!

Wilford has been getting valuable running time with the first teamers. And there really isn't a big difference in talent between Wilford and Reggie...thus the difficulty in choosing who will get the bulk of the receptions.

The only reason they are forcing Williams into action is because they invested a 1st rounder on him. But in the end, you gotta go with production and it appears Wilford is the one doing that in camps..so far.

I imagine Northcutt will get his as well, but as of now, I'd have to say the pecking order is Wilford, Northcutt, R. Williams, Jones, rookies.

I could be wrong ofcourse...but this seems more logical.

As a Jags fan, I have absolutely no faith that JDR will do the right thing. I've always thought he was overrated. He's an underachiever.

 

[Bri]

There's a long list of guys with dings sitting on the sidelines thru OTAs, it means little to vets that know the offense

 

[lions327]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

While I agree with you, I don't think any Jag WR would ever be really worth starting so you will not see me drafting one. I pray that my opponent starts Northcutt against me or Matt Jones or Wilford. Only Reggie Williams should produce a little this year and Walker is a good dynasty prospect.

I hear you, but for teams with 30 man rosters a late rd flier on a guy like Northcutt isnt a terrible idea. They have been doing a lot of talking about being more aggressive in the passing game, and attacking downfield.

I would rather use a late round flier on someone with upside. The Northcutt's of the world can be picked up on waivers.

 

[BigRed]

Man, Matt Jones stock is hitting an all time low. I had high expectations for this guy in the NFL but it looks like it is time to cut bait. He is a bye week filler AT BEST this year.

I think it is MUCH too early to say this. Training camp hasn't even started yet.

Agree, but it is looking pretty ugly for JAX WRs, FF wise at least.

 

[stevegamer]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

While I agree with you, I don't think any Jag WR would ever be really worth starting so you will not see me drafting one. I pray that my opponent starts Northcutt against me or Matt Jones or Wilford. Only Reggie Williams should produce a little this year and Walker is a good dynasty prospect.

I hear you, but for teams with 30 man rosters a late rd flier on a guy like Northcutt isnt a terrible idea. They have been doing a lot of talking about being more aggressive in the passing game, and attacking downfield.

I would rather use a late round flier on someone with upside. The Northcutt's of the world can be picked up on waivers.

The interesting thing - is that Northcutt has upside in this situation. He's got a shot to be a #1 receiver again. I say "again" because he's been the #1 guy on a woeful Browns team. Right now, he's one fo the 2 starters, and they aretrying to figure out who's starting with him. So he's got - at the moment - the best chance to start of the 4 (listed as a starter, and isn't as injury-prone as some of the others) and has the lowest cost of the 4. How is that NOT value?Admittedly, Northcutt has found his way onto a dynasty roster of mine previously - when he was putting up decent years for the Browns. I think he's a sneaky guy you can get as WR5-6 who has a gfood shot at being a WR3 for you.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Dennis Northcutt is flat out terrible. He may be a guy who's worth taking a flyer on late for FF purposes, but I would never ever want that guy on my NFL team.

Anytime he's put in a clutch situation, he drops balls.

 

[FavreCo]

Dennis Northcutt is flat out terrible. He may be a guy who's worth taking a flyer on late for FF purposes, but I would never ever want that guy on my NFL team. Anytime he's put in a clutch situation, he drops balls.

He's useless on an FFL roster too. Reggie Williams is the #1 over there and Leftwich will feed him the ball this year like he did pre-injury last year. When Leftwich goes down, like he always does, all WR's are worthless.

 

[David Yudkin]

If you believe Rotoworld, they see it as . . .

"The Jags frequently used three-receiver sets in 2006 and are expected to continue to do so under new coordinator Dirk Koetter. Northcutt's role is likely the only certainty as Mike Walker, Matt Jones, Ernest Wilford, and Reggie Williams compete on the outside. Wilford and Williams are starting for now. Jun. 6 - 10:38 a.m. ET"

They make is seem like he is the starting third WR when they use one and that two other guys will be the "regular" starters.

 

[-OZ-]

Man, Matt Jones stock is hitting an all time low. I had high expectations for this guy in the NFL but it looks like it is time to cut bait. He is a bye week filler AT BEST this year.

In a redraft, perhaps, although I'll take him as a late round flier.I'd be buying as a buy-low if someone is cutting bait, especially in dynasty leagues.

 

[JaxBill]

From yesteday's "Ask Vic" on the Jags website:

Dee from Palm Coast, FL: It's not about long and tall. It's all about route-running, quickness and good hands. That’s what makes a “number one wide receiver.” Have you seen any of that in the mini-camps/OTA's this year?Vic: I hold out hope for Mike Walker.Devin from Middleburg, FL: I honestly have a hard time seeing Northcutt becoming the “number one receiver” for our squad.Vic: Where did you get the notion that Northcutt is a “one?” He’s not. He’s a “number three.” He’s a slot receiver. That’s what he was signed to be and that’s how he’ll be used. Who told you otherwise? This fascination for throwing around the “number one receiver” designation has to stop. It’s an esteemed distinction. You don’t pass it out as though it was penny candy.

 

[lions327]

Man, Matt Jones stock is hitting an all time low. I had high expectations for this guy in the NFL but it looks like it is time to cut bait. He is a bye week filler AT BEST this year.

In a redraft, perhaps, although I'll take him as a late round flier.I'd be buying as a buy-low if someone is cutting bait, especially in dynasty leagues.

 

[Bob Magaw]

From yesteday's "Ask Vic" on the Jags website:

Dee from Palm Coast, FL: It's not about long and tall. It's all about route-running, quickness and good hands. That’s what makes a “number one wide receiver.” Have you seen any of that in the mini-camps/OTA's this year?Vic: I hold out hope for Mike Walker.Devin from Middleburg, FL: I honestly have a hard time seeing Northcutt becoming the “number one receiver” for our squad.Vic: Where did you get the notion that Northcutt is a “one?” He’s not. He’s a “number three.” He’s a slot receiver. That’s what he was signed to be and that’s how he’ll be used. Who told you otherwise? This fascination for throwing around the “number one receiver” designation has to stop. It’s an esteemed distinction. You don’t pass it out as though it was penny candy.

i agree with vic, but he sounds a little testier than normal here...

 

[The Man With No Name]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

While I agree with you, I don't think any Jag WR would ever be really worth starting so you will not see me drafting one. I pray that my opponent starts Northcutt against me or Matt Jones or Wilford. Only Reggie Williams should produce a little this year and Walker is a good dynasty prospect.

DenverBroncos,I know it seems like I've been picking on you alot in these threads...but it's because of comments like above.

What makes you say this? From what I've heard, Matt Jones and Reggie have been assuming their usual positions on the sidelines positions nursing injuries nursing ...AGAIN!

Wilford has been getting valuable running time with the first teamers. And there really isn't a big difference in talent between Wilford and Reggie...thus the difficulty in choosing who will get the bulk of the receptions.

The only reason they are forcing Williams into action is because they invested a 1st rounder on him. But in the end, you gotta go with production and it appears Wilford is the one doing that in camps..so far.

I imagine Northcutt will get his as well, but as of now, I'd have to say the pecking order is Wilford, Northcutt, R. Williams, Jones, rookies.

I could be wrong ofcourse...but this seems more logical.

As a Jags fan, I have absolutely no faith that JDR will do the right thing. I've always thought he was overrated. He's an underachiever.

Not sure what you're getting at here. Reggie Williams has played in 48 out of 48 possible games in his career and Jones 30 of 32. Northcutt has missed 13 games in his 7 seasons, including 3 last year.

 

[gman8343]

Not sure what you're getting at here. Reggie Williams has played in 48 out of 48 possible games in his career and Jones 30 of 32. Northcutt has missed 13 games in his 7 seasons, including 3 last year.

The Matt Jones info is a bit misleading, because he has been struck by nagging injuries that limited his playing time severely last season. Despite playing in 14 games, he only started 4.

 

[identikit]

The thread title says it all:

Jags WR Northcutt Clear Cut Favorite

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[Sleeper 43]

North who?

 

[Routilla]

I will be drafting a grand total of "zero" JAX WRs this year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The interesting things in this thread aren't so much about Northcutt but about how the Jags will be playing offense.

3 WRs on the field.

That means at most 1 TE.

That also means 1 RB sets.

So, whomever is the X or Y WR (outside), the Z will be Northcutt. OK. Got it.

How productive has the #3 WR been in JAX? Right. Draft accordingly.

Northcutt has value in DEEP leagues only because he will be playing. Solid numbers in deep leagues, but in 12 team redraft, probably not worth it / borderline late pick / WW fodder.

Now, again on the offense - 1 RB, 1 TE.

That means Fred Taylor and MJD split time. It also means that only one of Marcedes Lewis, Jermaine Wiggins, and George Wrighster get on the field on most occasions.

In most redraft league I'm avoiding the JAX TE situation and also JAX WRs not named Reggie Williams - and only as a late pick. In fact, a better case can be made for Matt Jones as his upside >> most guys on the WW, so he's worth a late pick in a deep redraft league too.

RB is interesting - who will be on the field more? FTaylor on 1st/2nd, and MJD on 3rd?

 

[coolnerd]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

While I agree with you, I don't think any Jag WR would ever be really worth starting so you will not see me drafting one. I pray that my opponent starts Northcutt against me or Matt Jones or Wilford. Only Reggie Williams should produce a little this year and Walker is a good dynasty prospect.

I hear you, but for teams with 30 man rosters a late rd flier on a guy like Northcutt isnt a terrible idea. They have been doing a lot of talking about being more aggressive in the passing game, and attacking downfield.

I would rather use a late round flier on someone with upside. The Northcutt's of the world can be picked up on waivers.

I think the value of this type of discussion (include the Bobby Wade thread) is to separate one of the Northcutts from another. Pretty much every year some boring veteran WR who is available on the WW early in the season turns into a usable, rosterable part. If an owner can be a week or two ahead of the curve or even in deeper leagues drafting the right player, it keeps that guy from starting desparate "please pick one" theads in the AC forum.

 

[jurb26]

The interesting things in this thread aren't so much about Northcutt but about how the Jags will be playing offense.3 WRs on the field.That means at most 1 TE.That also means 1 RB sets.So, whomever is the X or Y WR (outside), the Z will be Northcutt. OK. Got it. How productive has the #3 WR been in JAX? Right. Draft accordingly.Northcutt has value in DEEP leagues only because he will be playing. Solid numbers in deep leagues, but in 12 team redraft, probably not worth it / borderline late pick / WW fodder.Now, again on the offense - 1 RB, 1 TE. That means Fred Taylor and MJD split time. It also means that only one of Marcedes Lewis, Jermaine Wiggins, and George Wrighster get on the field on most occasions.In most redraft league I'm avoiding the JAX TE situation and also JAX WRs not named Reggie Williams - and only as a late pick. In fact, a better case can be made for Matt Jones as his upside >> most guys on the WW, so he's worth a late pick in a deep redraft league too.RB is interesting - who will be on the field more? FTaylor on 1st/2nd, and MJD on 3rd?

Jack just wants to put 3 WRs on the field so the can spread the D more and give MJD more space.

 

[el-gato-grande]

Dennis Northcutt is flat out terrible. He may be a guy who's worth taking a flyer on late for FF purposes, but I would never ever want that guy on my NFL team. Anytime he's put in a clutch situation, he drops balls.

He's useless on an FFL roster too. Reggie Williams is the #1 over there and Leftwich will feed him the ball this year like he did pre-injury last year. When Leftwich goes down, like he always does, all WR's are worthless.

Your Jags schtick is getting old guy. Anything else to say?

 

[Wadsworth]

I mentioned him as a value pick in the Mike Walker thread. Theres no reason not to take Northcutt late in drafts this year. Everything ive been reading has been sounding pretty good for his prospects this season

While I agree with you, I don't think any Jag WR would ever be really worth starting so you will not see me drafting one. I pray that my opponent starts Northcutt against me or Matt Jones or Wilford. Only Reggie Williams should produce a little this year and Walker is a good dynasty prospect.

DenverBroncos,I know it seems like I've been picking on you alot in these threads...but it's because of comments like above.

What makes you say this? From what I've heard, Matt Jones and Reggie have been assuming their usual positions on the sidelines nursing injuries...AGAIN!

Wilford has been getting valuable running time with the first teamers. And there really isn't a big difference in talent between Wilford and Reggie...thus the difficulty in choosing who will get the bulk of the receptions.

The only reason they are forcing Williams into action is because they invested a 1st rounder on him. But in the end, you gotta go with production and it appears Wilford is the one doing that in camps..so far.

I imagine Northcutt will get his as well, but as of now, I'd have to say the pecking order is Wilford, Northcutt, R. Williams, Jones, rookies.

I could be wrong ofcourse...but this seems more logical.

As a Jags fan, I have absolutely no faith that JDR will do the right thing. I've always thought he was overrated. He's an underachiever.

I disagree with the idea that there's not a big difference in talent between Williams and Wilford. Williams is easily faster and quicker, a better blocker, route runner, and catches more balls. Wilford does a better job of catching balls in heavy traffic as he more often catches with hands( a problem Reggie has had). Williams is also many years younger.As far as Northcutt, I'd be very surprised if was anything other than a slot WR3 and special teamer. He could have some good games, but a true starting job and heavy production seems very unlikely. If you want to take a flyer on a Jags WR looks elsewhere.

 

[Warpig]

Not sure what you're getting at here. Reggie Williams has played in 48 out of 48 possible games in his career and Jones 30 of 32. Northcutt has missed 13 games in his 7 seasons, including 3 last year.

The Matt Jones info is a bit misleading, because he has been struck by nagging injuries that limited his playing time severely last season. Despite playing in 14 games, he only started 4.

Exactly! Maybe Reggie Williams isn't injured as much as I thought...but he sure does have a tendency to disappear in games...which made me think he was always injured.

 

[Fallerjw]

Dennis Northcutt is flat out terrible. He may be a guy who's worth taking a flyer on late for FF purposes, but I would never ever want that guy on my NFL team. Anytime he's put in a clutch situation, he drops balls.

As a Browns fan, let me tell you, it doesn't have to be a clutch situation for him to drop a ball. This will happen often at any point in the game.

 

[FavreCo]

Dennis Northcutt is flat out terrible. He may be a guy who's worth taking a flyer on late for FF purposes, but I would never ever want that guy on my NFL team. Anytime he's put in a clutch situation, he drops balls.

He's useless on an FFL roster too. Reggie Williams is the #1 over there and Leftwich will feed him the ball this year like he did pre-injury last year. When Leftwich goes down, like he always does, all WR's are worthless.

Your Jags schtick is getting old guy. Anything else to say? :X

I'd say that I have laid it all out previously and correctly. The passing game only goes as far as Byron Leftwich goes. If he plays all 16 games Williams is the chief benifactor. Northcutt is a zero as he has been for most of his career. Worthless in FFL leagues of any size. Start him and pencil in zero points. Matt Jones is a wimp and can't take the physical beating. He will catch some deep passes and then get hurt again. Heck, he may start out hurt. Wilford will be Wilford. Walker will play some this year and work his way up over time as the 2 between he and Williams are nothing special. If Leftwich gets hurt, anyone with any football knowledge knows the passing game is gone. This is a run first team and a run 1st 2nd and 3rd if Gararrd is the QB. Every year it's the same thing with a new player yet nothing changes. I recall Marcedes Lewis being the flavor of the week last year. He was a zero as I had predicted.

 

[duaneok66]

for the person that said that Northcutt was a #1 receiver in Cleveland, you have to be kidding . . . he might have been #2 for awhile, but he was never the primary option . . .

that being said, I have watched enough Browns games to know that he will be irrelevant in FF in 2007 . . .

 

[lions327]

Dennis Northcutt is flat out terrible. He may be a guy who's worth taking a flyer on late for FF purposes, but I would never ever want that guy on my NFL team.

Anytime he's put in a clutch situation, he drops balls.

He's useless on an FFL roster too. Reggie Williams is the #1 over there and Leftwich will feed him the ball this year like he did pre-injury last year. When Leftwich goes down, like he always does, all WR's are worthless.

Your Jags schtick is getting old guy. Anything else to say?

I'd say that I have laid it all out previously and correctly. The passing game only goes as far as Byron Leftwich goes. If he plays all 16 games Williams is the chief benifactor. Northcutt is a zero as he has been for most of his career. Worthless in FFL leagues of any size. Start him and pencil in zero points. Matt Jones is a wimp and can't take the physical beating. He will catch some deep passes and then get hurt again. Heck, he may start out hurt. Wilford will be Wilford. Walker will play some this year and work his way up over time as the 2 between he and Williams are nothing special. If Leftwich gets hurt, anyone with any football knowledge knows the passing game is gone. This is a run first team and a run 1st 2nd and 3rd if Gararrd is the QB. Every year it's the same thing with a new player yet nothing changes. I recall Marcedes Lewis being the flavor of the week last year. He was a zero as I had predicted.

 

[John Mamula]

lol at the matt jones peeps breaking their legs jumping off the wagon.

i for one am shocked that a college QB couldn't excel as a pro WR.

 

[Megla]

Dennis Northcutt is flat out terrible. He may be a guy who's worth taking a flyer on late for FF purposes, but I would never ever want that guy on my NFL team. Anytime he's put in a clutch situation, he drops balls.

He's useless on an FFL roster too. Reggie Williams is the #1 over there and Leftwich will feed him the ball this year like he did pre-injury last year. When Leftwich goes down, like he always does, all WR's are worthless.

Your Jags schtick is getting old guy. Anything else to say?

I'd say that I have laid it all out previously and correctly. The passing game only goes as far as Byron Leftwich goes. If he plays all 16 games Williams is the chief benifactor. Northcutt is a zero as he has been for most of his career. Worthless in FFL leagues of any size. Start him and pencil in zero points. Matt Jones is a wimp and can't take the physical beating. He will catch some deep passes and then get hurt again. Heck, he may start out hurt. Wilford will be Wilford. Walker will play some this year and work his way up over time as the 2 between he and Williams are nothing special. If Leftwich gets hurt, anyone with any football knowledge knows the passing game is gone. This is a run first team and a run 1st 2nd and 3rd if Gararrd is the QB. Every year it's the same thing with a new player yet nothing changes. I recall Marcedes Lewis being the flavor of the week last year. He was a zero as I had predicted.

And you are basing this on 5 games cause thats all the statistical history there is, anything prior to 06 was all about Jimmy and Lefty went down vs Houst week 6. Just not near enough to make a hard stance of this nature.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

lol at the matt jones peeps breaking their legs jumping off the wagon.i for one am shocked that a college QB couldn't excel as a pro WR.

I am having trouble understanding what you are saying here. Do you think Jones does not have a chance to excel in this league?M. Jones started only 4 games last season (played in 14, but many games he played sparingly). He was playing in only his second year ever as a WR. He is still only 23 years old getting the grips on a brand new position and through all of this he still managed to catch 41 balls for 643 yards and 4 TD's. Many young WR's need time to progress in this league, let alone young WR's learning a new position. Count me in as someone who is still on the M. Jones bandwagon.

 

[John Mamula]

lol at the matt jones peeps breaking their legs jumping off the wagon.i for one am shocked that a college QB couldn't excel as a pro WR.

I am having trouble understanding what you are saying here. Do you think Jones does not have a chance to excel in this league?M. Jones started only 4 games last season (played in 14, but many games he played sparingly). He was playing in only his second year ever as a WR. He is still only 23 years old getting the grips on a brand new position and through all of this he still managed to catch 41 balls for 643 yards and 4 TD's. Many young WR's need time to progress in this league, let alone young WR's learning a new position. Count me in as someone who is still on the M. Jones bandwagon.

i think he will struggle to ever be better than a WR3.

 

[-OZ-]

i think [Matt Jones] will struggle to ever be better than a WR3.

Take a look at the games where he was actually healthy. He's already a WR3 for FF, if not better.Unless your concern is that he'll never stay healthy? Count me as one of the guys who will remain on the bandwagon until the end. I quite like the extra room if the others are jumping off, it was crowded.

 

[lions327]

i think [Matt Jones] will struggle to ever be better than a WR3.

Take a look at the games where he was actually healthy. He's already a WR3 for FF, if not better.Unless your concern is that he'll never stay healthy? Count me as one of the guys who will remain on the bandwagon until the end. I quite like the extra room if the others are jumping off, it was crowded.

I am not quite as convinced as you, but I still think he is a great buy low player right now, and he still has a big ceiling. I really want to see what he can do if he stays healthy. People forget he has only played 2 years and started with a steeper learning curve than other WR's because he played QB in college.

 

[EBF]

I hyped up Matt Jones back when he was entering the league, but I've since cooled off on him. IMO, he's just too tall and lanky for his own good. Sure, he can run fast in a straight line and make some nice circus catches, but he can't work the short and intermediate stuff because he lacks the agility to get out of his breaks in patterns.

It's still to early to conclude that he'll be a bust, but I'm not very high on him these days. I'd rather have Reggie Williams. He's the most valuable JAX WR, IMO.

 

[jurb26]

I hyped up Matt Jones back when he was entering the league, but I've since cooled off on him. IMO, he's just too tall and lanky for his own good. Sure, he can run fast in a straight line and make some nice circus catches, but he can't work the short and intermediate stuff because he lacks the agility to get out of his breaks in patterns. It's still to early to conclude that he'll be a bust, but I'm not very high on him these days. I'd rather have Reggie Williams. He's the most valuable JAX WR, IMO.

He's only been in the league for 2 years and battled injuries last year. Despite that, he improved as a player. He was known to be a project type WR with a big learning curve. Yet you are down on him suddenly?

 

[EBF]

I hyped up Matt Jones back when he was entering the league, but I've since cooled off on him. IMO, he's just too tall and lanky for his own good. Sure, he can run fast in a straight line and make some nice circus catches, but he can't work the short and intermediate stuff because he lacks the agility to get out of his breaks in patterns. It's still to early to conclude that he'll be a bust, but I'm not very high on him these days. I'd rather have Reggie Williams. He's the most valuable JAX WR, IMO.

He's only been in the league for 2 years and battled injuries last year. Despite that, he improved as a player. He was known to be a project type WR with a big learning curve. Yet you are down on him suddenly?

Yep. I don't think he fits the mold of a productive NFL WR. Back during the 2005 draft, Torry Holt said Mark Clayton was the best WR in the draft. Hindsight seems to be proving him correct. IMO, the ability to get open and run routes doesn't necessarily depend on being 6'6" with 4.3 speed. Smaller guys like Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, and Torry Holt excel because they can run every type of pattern.Matt Jones is a tall long-strider who looks slow out of his breaks. I'm not down on him because of his production. I just don't think he has the right skill set to be a consistent WR1 at the pro level.

 

[jurb26]

I'm not down on him because of his production. I just don't think he has the right skill set to be a consistent WR1 at the pro level.

I'm not talking about his production. He seemed to have improved as a player IMO. He got better running his routes and reading coverages. Learned to use his body (big frame) better and released of the LOS better... not that it could have been worse than his rookie year.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I hyped up Matt Jones back when he was entering the league, but I've since cooled off on him. IMO, he's just too tall and lanky for his own good. Sure, he can run fast in a straight line and make some nice circus catches, but he can't work the short and intermediate stuff because he lacks the agility to get out of his breaks in patterns. It's still to early to conclude that he'll be a bust, but I'm not very high on him these days. I'd rather have Reggie Williams. He's the most valuable JAX WR, IMO.

He's only been in the league for 2 years and battled injuries last year. Despite that, he improved as a player. He was known to be a project type WR with a big learning curve. Yet you are down on him suddenly?

Yep. I don't think he fits the mold of a productive NFL WR. Back during the 2005 draft, Torry Holt said Mark Clayton was the best WR in the draft. Hindsight seems to be proving him correct. IMO, the ability to get open and run routes doesn't necessarily depend on being 6'6" with 4.3 speed. Smaller guys like Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, and Torry Holt excel because they can run every type of pattern.Matt Jones is a tall long-strider who looks slow out of his breaks. I'm not down on him because of his production. I just don't think he has the right skill set to be a consistent WR1 at the pro level.

You realize that Harrison and Smith were just ok their first couple of years in the league too right?Steve Smith: one of the best in the game todayyear 1: 10 receptions, 154 yards, 0 TD'syear 2: 54 receptions, 872 yards, 3 TD's.Harrison: One of the best to play the gameyear 1: 64 receptions, 836yards, 8 TD'syear 2: 73 receptions, 866, 6 TD'syear 3: 59 reception, 776 yards, 7 TD'sOther Good WR's playing now that took time to develop. I included all the years it took them to develop until they had a breakout year.Reggie Wayne: (in Indy's offense)year 1: 27 receptions, 345 yards, 0 TD'syear 2: 49 receptions, 716 yards , 4 TD'syear 3: 68 receptions , 838 yards, 7 TD'sJavon Walker:year 1: 23 receptions, 319 yards, 1 TDyear 2: 41 receptions, 716 yards, 9 TD'sLaveranues Coles:year 1: 22 receptions, 370 yards, 1 TDyear 2: 59 receptions, 868 yards, 7 TD'sDonald Driver:year 1: 3 receptions, 31 yards, 1 TDyear 2: 21 receptions, 322 yards, 1 TDyear 3: 13 receptions, 167 yards, 1 TDJoe HornFIRST 4 years Combined53 receptions, 870, yards, 7 TD'sHoushy:year 1: 21 receptions, 228 yards 0 TD'syear 2: 41, 492 yards, 1 TDyear 3: played only 2 gamesSantana Moss:year 1: 2 receptions, 40 yards, 0 TD'syear 2: 30 receptions , 433 yards, 4 TD'sRod Smith:year 1: 6 receptions, 152 yards, 1 TDyear 2: 16 receptions, 237 yards, 2 TDHines Ward:year 1: 15 Receptions, 246 yards, 0 TDyear 2: 61 receptions, 638 yards, 7 TDyear 3: 48 receptions, 672 yards, 4 TDBraylon Edwards: Taken Way before Jones in all draftsyear 1: 32 receptions, 512 yards, 3 TD'syear 2: 61 receptions, 884 yards, 6 TD'syear 3: ???????Matt Jones: year 1: 36 receptions, 432 yards, 5 TD'syear 2: 41 receptions, 643 yards, 4 TD'sI don't see why everyone is so down on Matt Jones. He should be seen as a guy way ahead of his learning curve seeing as how he is learning a new position and producing ok numbers. I will give him this year as another improving year and if by the end of year 4 he is not making an impact then I will jump off his bandwagon. Until then, I just don't see how anyone could still not be on his bandwagon that previously was on it. It takes time for many WR's to learn their position in the pros and play at an elite level. Just give Jones sometime before you kick him to the curb. I mean by some peoples theories if a WR isin't elite in his first couple of years he is a bust, but as the stats show, many of these guys would have been seen as busts as well.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

After further analysis through 2 years combined catches, yards and TD's I made a top 12 list from my previous post of where the players would rank after 2 season in the NFL. M. Jones in this list of very good WR's would fit in as the number 4 player after those 2 years. Remember people he played QB in college as well.

1) M. Harrison 137 catches, 1702 yards, 14 TD's

2) B. Edwards 93 receptions, 1396 yards, 9 TD's

3) Coles 81 receptions, 1238 yards, 8 TD's

4) Matt Jones 77 receptions, 1075 yards, 9 TD's

5) J. Walker 64 receptions, 1035 yards, 10 TD's

6) Reggie Wayne 76 catches, 1061 yards, 4 TD's

7) Ward 76 receptions, 884 yards, 7 TD's

8) Steve Smith 64 catches, 1026 yards, 3 TD's

9) Houshy 62 receptions, 720 yards, 1 TD

10) S. Moss 32 receptions, 473 yards, 4 TD's

11) D. Driver 24 receptions, 353 yards, 2 TD's

12) R. Smith 22 receptions, 350 yards, 3 TDs

I think with the way the draft is covered now on T.V., and all the internet access and fantasy has put a greater expectation on younger players. M. Jones is on his way to a descent career and I will say again that no one should be off his bandwagon yet. It is way to early.

 

[-OZ-]

After further analysis through 2 years combined catches, yards and TD's I made a top 12 list from my previous post of where the players would rank after 2 season in the NFL. M. Jones in this list of very good WR's would fit in as the number 4 player after those 2 years. Remember people he played QB in college as well.1) M. Harrison 137 catches, 1702 yards, 14 TD's2) B. Edwards 93 receptions, 1396 yards, 9 TD's3) Coles 81 receptions, 1238 yards, 8 TD's4) Matt Jones 77 receptions, 1075 yards, 9 TD's5) J. Walker 64 receptions, 1035 yards, 10 TD's6) Reggie Wayne 76 catches, 1061 yards, 4 TD's7) Ward 76 receptions, 884 yards, 7 TD's8) Steve Smith 64 catches, 1026 yards, 3 TD's9) Houshy 62 receptions, 720 yards, 1 TD10) S. Moss 32 receptions, 473 yards, 4 TD's11) D. Driver 24 receptions, 353 yards, 2 TD's12) R. Smith 22 receptions, 350 yards, 3 TDsI think with the way the draft is covered now on T.V., and all the internet access and fantasy has put a greater expectation on younger players. M. Jones is on his way to a descent career and I will say again that no one should be off his bandwagon yet. It is way to early.

Although I would have included players like Fitz and Boldin.IF Culpepper hits JAX and starts at some point, Jones will benefit immensely.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

After further analysis through 2 years combined catches, yards and TD's I made a top 12 list from my previous post of where the players would rank after 2 season in the NFL. M. Jones in this list of very good WR's would fit in as the number 4 player after those 2 years. Remember people he played QB in college as well.1) M. Harrison 137 catches, 1702 yards, 14 TD's2) B. Edwards 93 receptions, 1396 yards, 9 TD's3) Coles 81 receptions, 1238 yards, 8 TD's4) Matt Jones 77 receptions, 1075 yards, 9 TD's5) J. Walker 64 receptions, 1035 yards, 10 TD's6) Reggie Wayne 76 catches, 1061 yards, 4 TD's7) Ward 76 receptions, 884 yards, 7 TD's8) Steve Smith 64 catches, 1026 yards, 3 TD's9) Houshy 62 receptions, 720 yards, 1 TD10) S. Moss 32 receptions, 473 yards, 4 TD's11) D. Driver 24 receptions, 353 yards, 2 TD's12) R. Smith 22 receptions, 350 yards, 3 TDsI think with the way the draft is covered now on T.V., and all the internet access and fantasy has put a greater expectation on younger players. M. Jones is on his way to a descent career and I will say again that no one should be off his bandwagon yet. It is way to early.

Although I would have included players like Fitz and Boldin.IF Culpepper hits JAX and starts at some point, Jones will benefit immensely.

I didin't include Fitz and Boldin for the same reason I didin't include R. Moss. There are WR's that have success right out of college, but there are many more WR's who need time to develop. A lot of people have shown very little love for M. Jones and says he has been a bust but really he hasn't been that bad and could be great value in many drafts this year especially dynasty.

 

[Bri]

Matt Jones is a terrific talent, I haven't given up on him.

Jimmy Smith was "done" too quick and the 3 youngsters weren't ready. Northcutt really really fills a void here. Those 3 sorely need a veteran around.

If you pencil Northcutt in as a slot guy and sub for whomever outside, that leaves one of Wilford, Williams, and Jones out of the main picture. People seem to be picking who they think that one will be. That's all this is really.

Personally I think it's Wilford.

Next is Mike Walker playing well. New talent is always more appealling for whatever dopey reason. Right now(6-7 weeks after the draft) that odd man out is probably behind Walker in some people's minds. Now we're at 5th WR and that's no good for FF. The new talent shtick wears off usually in the summer so we'll see where Walker is at then.

IMO The Jags need to trade some backs and WRs.

Wimbush would be a fine 3rd RB on most teams, the 3rd RB doesn't need to be an all world talent. Good, hard working, great attitude....yeah that'll do.

Taylor(solid vet), MJD(great looking youngster), and Wimbush is more than sufficient. Any probs are elsewhere. Trade the rest and improve other spots. The extra reps would probably do the players some good too.

 

[Megla]

A more telling stat would be the number of WRs who were in this range the first 2 years and did not turn out to be more than a @4 WR FF wise.

While I agree that he should not be categorized as a bust, the odds are far more favoriable that he will be middle of the road in terms of FF production.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

A more telling stat would be the number of WRs who were in this range the first 2 years and did not turn out to be more than a @4 WR FF wise.While I agree that he should not be categorized as a bust, the odds are far more favoriable that he will be middle of the road in terms of FF production.

Maybe, could you please name some more rescent ones for me.