James Starks (1 Viewer)

[MrBigBoss]

Anyone heard anything about him going forward? I know Alex green hasn't really been doing much with his carries.

 

[Zab]

Most likely splitting carries with Green... on a pass first offense.

 

[MrBigBoss]

Ya but there were games when green had 20 carries... On a pass first offense

 

[Zab]

Ya but there were games when green had 20 carries... On a pass first offense

And he achieved diddly squat with those carries, thus prompting Starks to get more carries.So now, like I said, they're splitting carries... on a pass first offense. Similar to the Saints RB situation, with significantly less talent. Good luck with that.

 

[MrBigBoss]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Why roll green when he can't do crap. Starks looked better then him. But u r right, it's hard to put any stock into green bays backfield.

 

[nb009]

Just like last year, maybe worse. Aaron Rodgers is probably the biggest stat whore of all time.

 

[pack66]

Ugh nb009, QFT. Rodgers isn't a stat whore, the pass first offense runs through him. Without Rodgers, the Packers don't go very far unless you're talking draft spot for next year.

Starks has looked decent in spot duty. Better than Green for sure. Either way, I'm staying away. Pass first offense with an average RB (at best) and plenty of other options than the RB equals looking somewhere else. The games where Green ran for over 20 carries were games when we were limited by WR/TE injuries necessitating emphasis on the run.

 

[packersfan]

I'll repeat what I posted in the Green thread:

The Packers' plan for the Arizona game was for Starks to be the early down RB and Green to play on passing downs with Kuhn hurt. Starks started and may have logged a huge # of carries but he fumbled early and was benched. However, he did come back in and was used in the closer role and overall looked good. Green also looked good and was more explosive in my opinion but two published reports out of Green Bay last week Starks would remain the lead back for the time being. Kuhn is expected back this week (he practiced yesterday) and will return to his third-down role since the Packers don't trust Starks there. Green appears to be the odd man out at this point. He'll likely get some carries but how many is uncertain.

Bottom line is this is a timeshare but Starks appears to be the lead RB. His upside is capped because he's unlikely to score many TDs (an issue all Green Bay RBs face), he isn't expected to play much on passing downs so he may not catch many passes and Green will likely remain in the mix in some fashion. Plus Benson could return in Week 14 and if he does I'd expect him to return as the starting RB since he's easily been the team's best RB so far this season. So as a result of all of this, I would view Starks as a low-end RB3.

That's my take on the situation. Given how McCarthy publicly supported Green only to be formulating a plan to bench him at the same time this situation could change on a moment's notice. So I think Starks is shaky but he does appear to be the lead RB right now and if he doesn't mess up I'd have to think he'll remain in that role.

 

[MrBigBoss]

^^^^^^^

Thanks for the info. I was just thinking ahead a lil. Have cj2k and Bradshaw on bye. Was hoping Starks would be a good fill for 1 week. The waiver wire is super thin at RB. Guess I'll keep looking cause I'd hate to roll him and get 5 carries for 20 yards

 

[packersfan]

^^^^^^^Thanks for the info. I was just thinking ahead a lil. Have cj2k and Bradshaw on bye. Was hoping Starks would be a good fill for 1 week. The waiver wire is super thin at RB. Guess I'll keep looking cause I'd hate to roll him and get 5 carries for 20 yards

He definitely has downside but the Lions' defense isn't very good so I think Starks is a pretty good bet for double-digit carries on Sunday as long as he doesn't muck up too badly and assuming McCarthy doesn't pull another fast one like he did in Week 9.

 

[SteelerMurf]

so if you had to start one in ppr this week....is it Starks or Green?

 

[packersfan]

so if you had to start one in ppr this week....is it Starks or Green?

Assuming the Packers go forward with the plan they had for Week 9 (and published reports say they will), I think Starks is the play over Green in all formats. Again, that's based on what the plan was for Arizona and what reports say the plan will be coming out of the bye (Starks as the early down RB and Kuhn the third-down RB). There's really been no mention thus far about what Green's role will be. They like him in their no-huddle sets so if they decide to go heavy with that approach against the Lions then maybe Green takes over as the lead RB this week. But unless we hear otherwise this week I think Starks has to be viewed as the one with the best opportunity to get the most carries and touches against the Lions.

 

[SteelerMurf]

so if you had to start one in ppr this week....is it Starks or Green?

Assuming the Packers go forward with the plan they had for Week 9 (and published reports say they will), I think Starks is the play over Green in all formats. Again, that's based on what the plan was for Arizona and what reports say the plan will be coming out of the bye (Starks as the early down RB and Kuhn the third-down RB). There's really been no mention thus far about what Green's role will be. They like him in their no-huddle sets so if they decide to go heavy with that approach against the Lions then maybe Green takes over as the lead RB this week. But unless we hear otherwise this week I think Starks has to be viewed as the one with the best opportunity to get the most carries and touches against the Lions.

Thanks great info

 

[nb009]

so if you had to start one in ppr this week....is it Starks or Green?

Assuming the Packers go forward with the plan they had for Week 9 (and published reports say they will), I think Starks is the play over Green in all formats. Again, that's based on what the plan was for Arizona and what reports say the plan will be coming out of the bye (Starks as the early down RB and Kuhn the third-down RB). There's really been no mention thus far about what Green's role will be. They like him in their no-huddle sets so if they decide to go heavy with that approach against the Lions then maybe Green takes over as the lead RB this week. But unless we hear otherwise this week I think Starks has to be viewed as the one with the best opportunity to get the most carries and touches against the Lions.

According to Footballoutsiders.com, James Starks only played 32% of snaps, compared to 58% for Alex Green (Johnny Wite played 10%). If this is correct, I'm not really sure how comfortable I would feel with Starks. Also, I haven't really saw any reports (with sources) saying his role is going to expand further. There was one status update for him on Rotoworld, but it just liked to some AOL Sports article. Not sure how credible that is.I'm desperate at this point (proud Murray/McFadden owner), so I have no other choice to start him. I would be very satisfied with 6-7 points.

 

[packersfan]

so if you had to start one in ppr this week....is it Starks or Green?

Assuming the Packers go forward with the plan they had for Week 9 (and published reports say they will), I think Starks is the play over Green in all formats. Again, that's based on what the plan was for Arizona and what reports say the plan will be coming out of the bye (Starks as the early down RB and Kuhn the third-down RB). There's really been no mention thus far about what Green's role will be. They like him in their no-huddle sets so if they decide to go heavy with that approach against the Lions then maybe Green takes over as the lead RB this week. But unless we hear otherwise this week I think Starks has to be viewed as the one with the best opportunity to get the most carries and touches against the Lions.

According to Footballoutsiders.com, James Starks only played 32% of snaps, compared to 58% for Alex Green (Johnny Wite played 10%). If this is correct, I'm not really sure how comfortable I would feel with Starks. Also, I haven't really saw any reports (with sources) saying his role is going to expand further. There was one status update for him on Rotoworld, but it just liked to some AOL Sports article. Not sure how credible that is.

There were two articles last week, one from the Milwaukee/Journal Sentinel and another on Sporting News which said the plan was for Starks to be more involved going forward with Kuhn returning to the third-down role. As far as the Week 9 snap count as I said Starks was benched after fumbling. He still ended up with more rushing attempts than Green and was used as the closer when the Packers were running out the clock late. Starks definitely comes with potential downside. No question. All I'm saying is that if the published reports are correct and McCarthy sticks with the plan he had for Week 9 then Starks will be the lead RB against Detroit with Kuhn the third-down RB. I believe Green will be involved but there's been no reports about what his role will be going forward. Keep in mind, though, that McCarthy has already lied about his RB plans once before so he very well could do so again. Personally, I'd avoid both Starks and Green this week if possible to see how the situation plays itself out. But if I had to pick one it would be Starks because all the current signs point to him getting more carries than Green. The only way I would start Green was if Kuhn didn't play. Then Green would be in line for more potential receptions since he'd handle the passing situation duties.

 

[Resident A]

The only time Starks has been truly effective in the NFL is when he was a workhorse in the 2010 playoffs during the Super Bowl run. He had 22+ carries in 3 of the 4 games, and faced some of the better Defenses in the league. Then he split the RB duties most of 2011 & the GB backfield was useless for FF purposes.

Maybe GB will realize that they need a RB to get in a rhythm & wear the defense out. I picked up Starks in hopes that happens.

 

[packersfan]

I don't think the Packers are going to kick Green to the curb since he's more explosive than Starks and they do like him a lot. So I envision this being a time share. Plus, Starks is horrendous in pass protection so he likely won't play much, if at all, on third downs, lower his reception potential. Put it all together and I don't see him getting 20+ touches on a regular basis unless Green and/or Kuhn get hurt.

Also, Benson could return by Week 14. So whatever value Starks (or Green) may have could end up being limited assuming Benson is ready to play at that time.

 

[nb009]

I don't think the Packers are going to kick Green to the curb since he's more explosive than Starks and they do like him a lot. So I envision this being a time share. Plus, Starks is horrendous in pass protection so he likely won't play much, if at all, on third downs, lower his reception potential. Put it all together and I don't see him getting 20+ touches on a regular basis unless Green and/or Kuhn get hurt.

Also, Benson could return by Week 14. So whatever value Starks (or Green) may have could end up being limited assuming Benson is ready to play at that time.

Are you sure this isn't just hyperbole? Just last week, the Packers RB coach listed "vision" and "pass protection" as two of Starks' strong sets.

 

[packersfan]

I don't think the Packers are going to kick Green to the curb since he's more explosive than Starks and they do like him a lot. So I envision this being a time share. Plus, Starks is horrendous in pass protection so he likely won't play much, if at all, on third downs, lower his reception potential. Put it all together and I don't see him getting 20+ touches on a regular basis unless Green and/or Kuhn get hurt.

Also, Benson could return by Week 14. So whatever value Starks (or Green) may have could end up being limited assuming Benson is ready to play at that time.

Are you sure this isn't just hyperbole? Just last week, the Packers RB coach listed "vision" and "pass protection" as two of Starks' strong sets.

Perhaps a tad. But he isn't very good. He almost got Rodgers killed blowing a blitz pickup against the Cardinals, for example. Kuhn is considered the team's best RB in terms of pass protection which is one reason why they like him in the third-down role. Green has nearly been Kuhn's equal as a pass protector. Both are superior to Starks in that aspect of the game.

 

[nb009]

Bingo.

Packers RBs coach Alex Van Pelt confirmed that James Starks has earned the starting job over Alex Green coming out of the bye.Starks showed more power and better instincts than Green in the two games leading up to the bye. Green played on obvious passing downs and in the no-huddle offense while Starks handled the majority of the early-down snaps. Expect that timeshare to continue, with Starks as the more valuable of the two. Cedric Benson (turf toe) is out at least three more games.

If he can get anything near the carries Benson was getting, he can hold some value.

 

[Guru]

I imagine Kuhn will get the goal-line carries as well. One note; Starks has not scored a td in 15 games.

 

[ImTheScientist]

so if you had to start one in ppr this week....is it Starks or Green?

Assuming the Packers go forward with the plan they had for Week 9 (and published reports say they will), I think Starks is the play over Green in all formats. Again, that's based on what the plan was for Arizona and what reports say the plan will be coming out of the bye (Starks as the early down RB and Kuhn the third-down RB). There's really been no mention thus far about what Green's role will be. They like him in their no-huddle sets so if they decide to go heavy with that approach against the Lions then maybe Green takes over as the lead RB this week. But unless we hear otherwise this week I think Starks has to be viewed as the one with the best opportunity to get the most carries and touches against the Lions.

According to Footballoutsiders.com, James Starks only played 32% of snaps, compared to 58% for Alex Green (Johnny Wite played 10%). If this is correct, I'm not really sure how comfortable I would feel with Starks. Also, I haven't really saw any reports (with sources) saying his role is going to expand further. There was one status update for him on Rotoworld, but it just liked to some AOL Sports article. Not sure how credible that is.I'm desperate at this point (proud Murray/McFadden owner), so I have no other choice to start him. I would be very satisfied with 6-7 points.

Touches matter more than % of snaps.