Javon Ringer (1 Viewer)

[PhantomJB]

Ringer is Michigan State's career leader in all-purpose yards and always seemed to have passed the eyeball test. Hard runner and decent receiver. But he has never gotten a true opportunity due to being in CJ2K's shadow.

Is this now a permanent D.Will/J.Stew or Bradshaw/Jacobs type RBBC? Lighting a fire under CJ? Or can Ringer actually take the starting job and even become a bell cow in Munchak's system?

ETA: Not looking to hijack the hundreds of threads on CJ. Ringer is the focus here since he is available on most waiver wires.

 

[Amused to Death]

Ringer is Michigan State's career leader in all-purpose yards and always seemed to have passed the eyeball test. Hard runner and decent receiver. But he has never gotten a true opportunity due to being in CJ2K's shadow.

Is this now a permanent D.Will/J.Stew or Bradshaw/Jacobs type RBBC? Lighting a fire under CJ? Or can Ringer actually take the starting job and even become a bell cow in Munchak's system?

ETA: Not looking to hijack the hundreds of threads on CJ. Ringer is the focus here since he is available on most waiver wires.

Not sure about Ringer's talent, but I would think with all the money they are paying CJ he's still going to get the majority of the carries.

 

[HoTnickZ]

Agreed, he needs a CJ injury to have any kind of long term value.

 

[zamboni]

Ringer is Michigan State's career leader in all-purpose yards and always seemed to have passed the eyeball test. Hard runner and decent receiver. But he has never gotten a true opportunity due to being in CJ2K's shadow.

Is this now a permanent D.Will/J.Stew or Bradshaw/Jacobs type RBBC? Lighting a fire under CJ? Or can Ringer actually take the starting job and even become a bell cow in Munchak's system?

ETA: Not looking to hijack the hundreds of threads on CJ. Ringer is the focus here since he is available on most waiver wires.

Not sure about Ringer's talent, but I would think with all the money they are paying CJ he's still going to get the majority of the carries.

Not so sure about that - see Deangelo Williams.Granted he's got a stud - really two stud - RBs alongside him in Stewart and Cam, but we've seen that contract doesn't always dictate playing time.

 

[texasheat]

12 foot vaulted

 

[Amused to Death]

Ringer is Michigan State's career leader in all-purpose yards and always seemed to have passed the eyeball test. Hard runner and decent receiver. But he has never gotten a true opportunity due to being in CJ2K's shadow.

Is this now a permanent D.Will/J.Stew or Bradshaw/Jacobs type RBBC? Lighting a fire under CJ? Or can Ringer actually take the starting job and even become a bell cow in Munchak's system?

ETA: Not looking to hijack the hundreds of threads on CJ. Ringer is the focus here since he is available on most waiver wires.

Not sure about Ringer's talent, but I would think with all the money they are paying CJ he's still going to get the majority of the carries.

Not so sure about that - see Deangelo Williams.Granted he's got a stud - really two stud - RBs alongside him in Stewart and Cam, but we've seen that contract doesn't always dictate playing time.

I think they're going to give him every opportunity to produce. Especially with the ink still drying on the contract, if you know what I mean. I don't doubt though that Ringer's PT could significantly increase.

 

[habsfan]

I look at this not unlike a hypothetical scenario where CJ has been injured and is going to be out for a few games. If there's a benching or demotion, I don't think he outperforms CJ by a significant margin and the scenario doesn't last more than a few games...

 

[Goldfinger007]

How many of you guys actually watched the game? It would appear not many, because if you did, you would realize CJ and Ringer's #'s were very similar until the end of the game when Ringer was allowed to close it out. IE...that's garbage time against the 31st ranked defense in the league and it still wasn't pretty. For those that didn't watch it, the game was played on Tennessee's side of the ball, with the Titan O'line being owned on virtually every running down. I own the both and would love to see one of them emerge, but the sad truth is there are no running lanes and their o-line is getting blown off the ball. It is truly pathetic at this point and neither Ringer or CJ are going to be worth a steaming turd as long as they are getting hit in the back field on every carry.

 

[FavreCo]

I watched it. I saw one guy (Ringer) that could break tackles and another guy (johnson) who couldn't bust out of a plastic bag that has been sitting & degrading in the sumlight for 6 months.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Coaches don't give a crap about who makes big money. They care about winning and that means putting the best players on the field. Is Ringer really doing that much better than Johnson? I haven't watched any Titan games so I don't know. Past performance has to come into the discussion for the coaching staff when talking about Johnson because he wasn't just average, he was above average and great the past 2 seasons. Ringer's ypc isn't very good either, but it is better than Johnson's.

note: I am a Ringer Dynasty owner and would like him to get more touches so he is startable or his value increases enough to get something of value in a trade.

 

[fCheeze]

I watched it. I saw one guy (Ringer) that could break tackles and another guy (johnson) who couldn't bust out of a plastic bag that has been sitting & degrading in the sumlight for 6 months.

I watched the game also..and thought Ringer was the stronger back right from the beginning. The announcer put up stats trying to make them look equal (which they were not), but from a YPC and actual play, I saw Ringer as the much better back, breaking tackles, seemingly higher effort. CJ looked pathetic actually

 

[steelwind]

Let's take the emotions and side comments out. How do you guys rank Ringer and CJ going forward?

My take

Ringer - RB2

CJ - Flex?

 

[killrobotkill]

Let's take the emotions and side comments out. How do you guys rank Ringer and CJ going forward?My takeRinger - RB2CJ - Flex?

A lot depends on whether or not CJ regresses to the point that they can't even trust him as part of a RBBC. They've got the Bengals next week and the Falcons three weeks from now, but those are the only tough run defenses left on the Titans' schedule. Gotta love the fact that they play the Colts again on Week 15, right around FF playoff time.I would say consider both of them flex plays for the next 2-3 weeks, and then after that, who knows.

 

[PhantomJB]

Let's take the emotions and side comments out. How do you guys rank Ringer and CJ going forward?My takeRinger - RB2CJ - Flex?

A lot depends on whether or not CJ regresses to the point that they can't even trust him as part of a RBBC. They've got the Bengals next week and the Falcons three weeks from now, but those are the only tough run defenses left on the Titans' schedule. Gotta love the fact that they play the Colts again on Week 15, right around FF playoff time.I would say consider both of them flex plays for the next 2-3 weeks, and then after that, who knows.

I agree with this. The next couple of weeks could turn into an audition for the rest of the year.If Johnson wins, that means he's gotten his act back together and is probably back to being an RB1 with Ringer getting 2-3 series a game. If Ringer wins, then Johnson probably can't add a lot to an RBBC and Ringer could easily be a low-end RB1 for the rest of the year with TB (#22), BUF (#19), NO (#23), IND (#31) and JAX (#14) as defenses the rest of the year.I don't foresee a long-term RBBC because I see this as one guy outperforming another vs. complementary skillsets.

 

[reprisal]

Titans are 4-3 and very much in the think of the play off race. So they ought to be looking most at what helps them win week to week. Hasselback does a good job moving the chains, just getting some steady production out of the run game would help them a lot. It's pretty clear Ringer gives them a better shot of achieving that at this point. That said I dont think you'll be able to count on Ringer getting more than maybe 60-65% of the touches because the upside of getting CJ back on track is so high.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

How many of you guys actually watched the game? It would appear not many, because if you did, you would realize CJ and Ringer's #'s were very similar until the end of the game when Ringer was allowed to close it out. IE...that's garbage time against the 31st ranked defense in the league and it still wasn't pretty. For those that didn't watch it, the game was played on Tennessee's side of the ball, with the Titan O'line being owned on virtually every running down. I own the both and would love to see one of them emerge, but the sad truth is there are no running lanes and their o-line is getting blown off the ball. It is truly pathetic at this point and neither Ringer or CJ are going to be worth a steaming turd as long as they are getting hit in the back field on every carry.

this is wrong. the announcers were talking about the difference in the first half. at one point johnson had 1yard on 5carries and ringer had 15 or so on his first 3 and commenting on how Ringer was breaking tackles. Ringer may not have superstar potential talent like Chris, but the his biggest advantage is he doesn't loose yardage or go backwards or falldown with a touch like Johnson does. Ringer gets the yards that are there and falls forward. Chris is being way way way too patient behind the LOS waiting to see the big crease instead of taking what is there. What Brian Cushing said about Chris seems to be spot on...........he hates contact and if you hit him early he will basically mail it in

 

[duaneok66]

How many of you guys actually watched the game? It would appear not many, because if you did, you would realize CJ and Ringer's #'s were very similar until the end of the game when Ringer was allowed to close it out. IE...that's garbage time against the 31st ranked defense in the league and it still wasn't pretty. For those that didn't watch it, the game was played on Tennessee's side of the ball, with the Titan O'line being owned on virtually every running down. I own the both and would love to see one of them emerge, but the sad truth is there are no running lanes and their o-line is getting blown off the ball. It is truly pathetic at this point and neither Ringer or CJ are going to be worth a steaming turd as long as they are getting hit in the back field on every carry.

this is wrong. the announcers were talking about the difference in the first half. at one point johnson had 1yard on 5carries and ringer had 15 or so on his first 3 and commenting on how Ringer was breaking tackles. Ringer may not have superstar potential talent like Chris, but the his biggest advantage is he doesn't loose yardage or go backwards or falldown with a touch like Johnson does. Ringer gets the yards that are there and falls forward. Chris is being way way way too patient behind the LOS waiting to see the big crease instead of taking what is there. What Brian Cushing said about Chris seems to be spot on...........he hates contact and if you hit him early he will basically mail it in

great post - others, like Greg Cosell, have noticed the same thing.

 

[Hanz]

Is Ringer worth using a top waiver claim on?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Ceiling is Joseph Addai IMO

Doubtful he'll achieve the same level of success however with CJ (as bad as he's playing) in the fold.

 

[ourmanflint]

How many of you guys actually watched the game? It would appear not many, because if you did, you would realize CJ and Ringer's #'s were very similar until the end of the game when Ringer was allowed to close it out. IE...that's garbage time against the 31st ranked defense in the league and it still wasn't pretty. For those that didn't watch it, the game was played on Tennessee's side of the ball, with the Titan O'line being owned on virtually every running down. I own the both and would love to see one of them emerge, but the sad truth is there are no running lanes and their o-line is getting blown off the ball. It is truly pathetic at this point and neither Ringer or CJ are going to be worth a steaming turd as long as they are getting hit in the back field on every carry.

this is wrong. the announcers were talking about the difference in the first half. at one point johnson had 1yard on 5carries and ringer had 15 or so on his first 3 and commenting on how Ringer was breaking tackles. Ringer may not have superstar potential talent like Chris, but the his biggest advantage is he doesn't loose yardage or go backwards or falldown with a touch like Johnson does. Ringer gets the yards that are there and falls forward. Chris is being way way way too patient behind the LOS waiting to see the big crease instead of taking what is there. What Brian Cushing said about Chris seems to be spot on...........he hates contact and if you hit him early he will basically mail it in

great post - others, like Greg Cosell, have noticed the same thing.

CJ's a 191 lb home run hitter. He isn't supposed to cram it into the line for a yard and a cloud of dust. If he does his season and eventually his career will be over. His own coach and team understand that. Even Ringer understands that. They changed their coaching staff, their offense and their blocking scheme and it's broken. They should eventually get it fixed (hopefully this year) and, when they do, CJ will start breaking runs again.Ringer can deal with the broken system better than CJ because he is a different type of runner. I don't think anyone figures Ringer to be the short or long term solution unless they get down to end of the season and they still haven't gotten it together. He's a hold but you're going to be waiting at least several more weeks before you know much of anything. I don't think this is a CJ problem so much as it is a problem with the broken offensive system. But they have the coaching (Munchak and Matthews) and the talent on the line to fix it.

 

[rotorooter]

I think this will be a split backfield even if Ringer wins outright.

At best case scenario for Ringer he will be a 1st and 2nd down back and CJ would be a 3rd down /passing plays/draw plays type back.

 

[Naramie]

How many of you guys actually watched the game? It would appear not many, because if you did, you would realize CJ and Ringer's #'s were very similar until the end of the game when Ringer was allowed to close it out. IE...that's garbage time against the 31st ranked defense in the league and it still wasn't pretty. For those that didn't watch it, the game was played on Tennessee's side of the ball, with the Titan O'line being owned on virtually every running down. I own the both and would love to see one of them emerge, but the sad truth is there are no running lanes and their o-line is getting blown off the ball. It is truly pathetic at this point and neither Ringer or CJ are going to be worth a steaming turd as long as they are getting hit in the back field on every carry.

this is wrong. the announcers were talking about the difference in the first half. at one point johnson had 1yard on 5carries and ringer had 15 or so on his first 3 and commenting on how Ringer was breaking tackles. Ringer may not have superstar potential talent like Chris, but the his biggest advantage is he doesn't loose yardage or go backwards or falldown with a touch like Johnson does. Ringer gets the yards that are there and falls forward. Chris is being way way way too patient behind the LOS waiting to see the big crease instead of taking what is there. What Brian Cushing said about Chris seems to be spot on...........he hates contact and if you hit him early he will basically mail it in

great post - others, like Greg Cosell, have noticed the same thing.

CJ's a 191 lb home run hitter. He isn't supposed to cram it into the line for a yard and a cloud of dust. If he does his season and eventually his career will be over. His own coach and team understand that. Even Ringer understands that. They changed their coaching staff, their offense and their blocking scheme and it's broken. They should eventually get it fixed (hopefully this year) and, when they do, CJ will start breaking runs again.Ringer can deal with the broken system better than CJ because he is a different type of runner. I don't think anyone figures Ringer to be the short or long term solution unless they get down to end of the season and they still haven't gotten it together. He's a hold but you're going to be waiting at least several more weeks before you know much of anything. I don't think this is a CJ problem so much as it is a problem with the broken offensive system. But they have the coaching (Munchak and Matthews) and the talent on the line to fix it.

This assessment is pretty dead on, that's how I see it as well. CJ may have some struggles but at the same time their OL is having issues as well but CJ is pretty much taking all the blame. He's one of those guys that gets through the holes created by the OL and blows past the coverage with his speed. The OL issues at TEN are heavily impacting his game.Ringer is a guy you stash to see what happens, obviously their run game isn't working right now because a combination of the two is occurring CJ isn't running with the same intensity and their OL is providing him with what he needs to succeed. They're gonna have to make some changes if they want their run game to develop.

 

[humpback]

But they have the coaching (Munchak and Matthews) and the talent on the line to fix it.

Are we sure about that? I mean, why did they try and "fix" something that wasn't broken in the first place?

 

[mjr]

But they have the coaching (Munchak and Matthews) and the talent on the line to fix it.

Are we sure about that? I mean, why did they try and "fix" something that wasn't broken in the first place?

Glad Im not the only one who feels that way... Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to see any big changes in that o-line so long as Tenn hovers at or above .500.