Javon Walker Wanted No Part Of The Pats (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

most packer fans are in denial. they refuse to see that not one or two but several players have left Green Bay over the last few years under what could be called less than amicable terms. They can say Mckenzie, Walker, Jackson, Sharper, Freeman, Chmura,et al are all malcontents, but each of them left saying they werent respected. When Javon held out to faclitate an extension after his All Pro season his Quarterback threw him under the bus, questioning his commitment to the team. Javon rushed back and Injured himself by playing all out before he was in game shape. So Javon has reason to feel he was betrayed, especially after the stunt Brett pulled this offseason. If that wasn't a do as I say not as I do moment I dont know what is.

Those of you who wont draft Walker are fools. I will guarantee 10 plus TD's from him this year, the guy can flat out play football. Packer fans can grouse all they want, but they will ponder thrughout the upcoming 5-11 season what might have been.

2 actually left on less than amicable terms...under two different GMs.Sharper was let go because he was getting on in years, cost alot, and had injury problems. Not because he was badmouthed or he badmouthed the team.

Freeman burned his own bridges and simply was not an effective player anymore.

Jackson? Grady...he wanted more than he is worth...pretty telling the guy is still available.

Nice try again, but your ignorance in this matter just keeps shining through.

Javon did not rush out and get hurt because he was not in game shape...give that BS a rest. And you obviously do not know what do as I say not as I do means...because living up to a contract, and contemplating something that is covered in a contract (like retirement) are two different things.

I will not draft him high because he is coming off of a major injury risk. Guranteeing 10 TDs is quite easy when you will not be held to that prediction by anyone.

Til then...you keep showing you know very little about the Packers and the Walker situation.

or perhaps, I know more about it than you do ?have your fun Sho nuff, this next year will show you how unaware you were of the dynamics of your own teams relationships or lack thereof

Some advice.... Look into why Javon refused to play for the Pack, If Jets staffers knew about it, surely there has to be something rumored locally.

You assume you know more. But you have yet to post any actual credible evidence to refute what I have been saying.Look into why? I have seen why...I have seen the quotes from the man himself. I take those at face value for now, until proven otherwise. And you saying you know someone who knows someone is not proof of anything other than you think you know something.

 

[jetsman]

no you think you know something....the Quotes are that Walker would never play for the Packers again

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/index.php?ntid=81378

Thompson didn't want to talk about the possibility of trading recalcitrant wide receiver Javon Walker, who has vowed to never play for the Packers again.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5596300

After catching just four passes before getting hurt in 2005, Walker's unhappiness only deepened. He was upset that the Packers dismissed his contract complaints and also didn't appreciate Brett Favre telling him basically to put up and shut up.

After watching stalwart veterans have to leave through free agency (Darren Sharper, Mike Wahle, Marco Rivera), trades (Mike McKenzie) or be forced to sit out camp (Bubba Franks) to earn big contracts, Walker decided he was headed for the same treatment when his deal expired. So, he fired the first salvo, vowing to retire rather than play for the Packers again.

there are things you dont know, you choose not to ask and you pick and choose what comments you wish to listen to, thats your prerogative. I don't think I know something, I wasn't there....But I was told something by someone related to someone who was there. And both make their living working for NFL teams, one of which is the Packers, I choose to believe them as credible, you dont have to. You're entitled to your ignorance or bliss however you choose to see it. I just choose to believe someone who was there over you.

I suggested you do the research just so you might find out more and have an informed opinion, If you'd rather not its up to you

 

[Garrett]

He is more than a prospect. He is a proven talent (pre-injury). Wow, only one season that mattered in fantasy football...call up the Broncos and let them know about that...Im sure Shanny is sure worried about your fantasy stats.

41 catches does not...9 TDs does. It is the natural progression of a WR in the NFL...3rd year breakout...2 years of doing better each year. And the 41 again came when the Packers were a run first team, while Walker started the year as the #3 guy. Look at all the numbers and facts...it helps you not look as ignorant as you do right now.

I am looking at the numbers and the facts.TDs are probably the least reliable stat when trying to evaluate any player's performance, but if you want to cling to that; why not bring in Tai Streets to replace Javon Walker? He had 7 TDs that same season, clearly that alone makes him a proven talent and calls for his progression as an elite WR. He also had more catches than Javon that year (I know you don't want talk about catches, we are looking at "numbers and facts"). Your argument that Javon has made a three year progression into a top WR does not hold water, and detoriates even more when you punctuate your argument by referencing "numbers and facts" that you clearly ignore in your posts. Javon spent two years trying to find a spot in the Packer's offense; basically trying to prove he can play in the league. We are talking about a guy who has never even been the #1 WR on his own team. He has the chance now, but there is no guarantee what he is going to do with it. If steps in this year and shows he can continue that progression, then yes, we could be looking at a future elite number 1 WR (Reggie Wayne, etc); until he does, he is a prospect. A good one, but a prospect.

Make an argument with some reason and thought. When the pinnacle of your theory is simply claiming others are ignorant, it makes you look like a ranting kid.

Take care.

 

[BlueOnion]

We live in a funny society. It seems every dispute, conflict or confrontation must also have a villian. A bad guy who can be targeted for the entirety of whatever dispute, conflict or confrontation is currently on the table. We have lawyers and civil courts and the buzz word of "I am going to sue somebody" and the action of 'pointing the finger' are very prevalent in today's society.

And whatever happen between Javon Walker and the Green Bay Packers, we will never be priviledged too. But instead of acknowledging the obvious, "Both parties are probably at fault", some of us who have a rooting interest in the two dogs in the fight feel the need to validate themselves by devalidating the opposition to our rooting interest; Javon Walker.



Green Bay is one of the better franchises in the league. They have one of the richest traditions. They are a staple of the NFL as much as the Cowboys, Giants and Steelers. Their fans also have a lot of pride.

But the franchise does have some egg on it's face over the past 12 months.

1) Brett Favre is defended (and sometimes praised) for speaking his mind when somebody in the media asks him questions. However, when somebody in the media asks Javon Walker a question and he speaks his mind, he is crucified. Certainly Favre deserves some additional leway, but there has been a clear contradition.

2) Javon Walker concluded the Packers do not respect him because they did not redo his deal with two years remaining (despite keeping his early request out of the media). 12 months later the Packers do redo Driver's contract with two years remaining on his deal. Again, another clear contradiction.

And if anybody believes I am trying to bash the Packers, let me be the first to say the Packers (as an organization) consistently out perform my franchise in a variety of categories. The Packers have been fortunate to have a great 14 years, but today's franchise is not the same franchise Reggie White left Philadelphia for.

 

[jetsman]

We live in a funny society. It seems every dispute, conflict or confrontation must also have a villian. A bad guy who can be targeted for the entirety of whatever dispute, conflict or confrontation is currently on the table. We have lawyers and civil courts and the buzz word of "I am going to sue somebody" and the action of 'pointing the finger' are very prevalent in today's society.

And whatever happen between Javon Walker and the Green Bay Packers, we will never be priviledged too. But instead of acknowledging the obvious, "Both parties are probably at fault", some of us who have a rooting interest in the two dogs in the fight feel the need to validate themselves by devalidating the opposition to our rooting interest; Javon Walker.



Green Bay is one of the better franchises in the league. They have one of the richest traditions. They are a staple of the NFL as much as the Cowboys, Giants and Steelers. Their fans also have a lot of pride.

But the franchise does have some egg on it's face over the past 12 months.

1) Brett Favre is defended (and sometimes praised) for speaking his mind when somebody in the media asks him questions. However, when somebody in the media asks Javon Walker a question and he speaks his mind, he is crucified. Certainly Favre deserves some additional leway, but there has been a clear contradition.

2) Javon Walker concluded the Packers do not respect him because they did not redo his deal with two years remaining (despite keeping his early request out of the media). 12 months later the Packers do redo Driver's contract with two years remaining on his deal. Again, another clear contradiction.

And if anybody believes I am trying to bash the Packers, let me be the first to say the Packers (as an organization) consistently out perform my franchise in a variety of categories. The Packers have been fortunate to have a great 14 years, but today's franchise is not the same franchise Reggie White left Philadelphia for.

Great Post, That's what many are saying here, but certain fans seem to see any negative commentary on their favorite franchise as a personal attack. They should at least look at it and consider the point of view of the poster, and not see everything as a challenge to their own beliefs

well said

 

[Chewyguru]

Before the draft Javon and agent have talked figures with both Denver and N.E.

It is clear Denver will pay him more. Denver is willing to pay him top 3 money showing they believe in his recovery and that his potential will be reached. Partially because Denver wants a prime time receiver who has a good underneath game.

N.E. wants him to come in but wants him to show he has healed before they pay him top 5 numbers. They aren't willing to pay him the kind of money Denver is.

I imagine at this point both Denver and Javon knew the deal was going to go through unless there was a major shake up in the draft. In that situation Denver would ask Javon and his agent to not tell anyone or show any signs that it was amost certain he would be a Bronco.

Remember N.E. jumped above us for Chad Jackson. So whatever complicated draft jockying was going on Denver could have asked Javon to not let on that he was going to be a Bronco.

SO it's not so much that he didn't want to go to N.E. as he wanted more money when faced with two teams that both have SB potential.

 

[sho nuff]

no you think you know something....the Quotes are that Walker would never play for the Packers again

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/index.php?ntid=81378

Thompson didn't want to talk about the possibility of trading recalcitrant wide receiver Javon Walker, who has vowed to never play for the Packers again.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5596300

After catching just four passes before getting hurt in 2005, Walker's unhappiness only deepened. He was upset that the Packers dismissed his contract complaints and also didn't appreciate Brett Favre telling him basically to put up and shut up.

After watching stalwart veterans have to leave through free agency (Darren Sharper, Mike Wahle, Marco Rivera), trades (Mike McKenzie) or be forced to sit out camp (Bubba Franks) to earn big contracts, Walker decided he was headed for the same treatment when his deal expired. So, he fired the first salvo, vowing to retire rather than play for the Packers again.

there are things you dont know, you choose not to ask and you pick and choose what comments you wish to listen to, thats your prerogative. I don't think I know something, I wasn't there....But I was told something by someone related to someone who was there. And both make their living working for NFL teams, one of which is the Packers, I choose to believe them as credible, you dont have to. You're entitled to your ignorance or bliss however you choose to see it. I just choose to believe someone who was there over you.

I suggested you do the research just so you might find out more and have an informed opinion, If you'd rather not its up to you

Please link for me where I ever stated that he did not say he was not going to play for the Packers? You are ignorant...you do not even know what you are arguing anymore.What I disputed was your quote in the other thread

and no doubt Brett's actions regarding Javon's coming back from his holdout, and subsequent injury have alot to do with Walker's feelings of betrayal and disrespect.

And I am backed by Javon's actual words...rather than the commentary of a journalist as you have bolded above.I do not chose to believe your source is credible...I chose not to believe that you really know anyone...and I believe that you have no clue what you are talking about...and that is evidenced by your quoting articles to prove something I never disputed in the first place.

I have done the research...I have read article after article after article on the situation.

You chose so far to quote a reporter...I chose to quote Javon himself when he stated it was not Favre that made him want to leave.

Til you bring something to the table...my opinion is supported with the fact that Walker himself agrees with me. Your opinion is supported by a claim that you know someone and nothing more.

 

[sho nuff]

He is more than a prospect. He is a proven talent (pre-injury). Wow, only one season that mattered in fantasy football...call up the Broncos and let them know about that...Im sure Shanny is sure worried about your fantasy stats.

41 catches does not...9 TDs does. It is the natural progression of a WR in the NFL...3rd year breakout...2 years of doing better each year. And the 41 again came when the Packers were a run first team, while Walker started the year as the #3 guy. Look at all the numbers and facts...it helps you not look as ignorant as you do right now.

I am looking at the numbers and the facts.TDs are probably the least reliable stat when trying to evaluate any player's performance, but if you want to cling to that; why not bring in Tai Streets to replace Javon Walker? He had 7 TDs that same season, clearly that alone makes him a proven talent and calls for his progression as an elite WR. He also had more catches than Javon that year (I know you don't want talk about catches, we are looking at "numbers and facts"). Your argument that Javon has made a three year progression into a top WR does not hold water, and detoriates even more when you punctuate your argument by referencing "numbers and facts" that you clearly ignore in your posts. Javon spent two years trying to find a spot in the Packer's offense; basically trying to prove he can play in the league. We are talking about a guy who has never even been the #1 WR on his own team. He has the chance now, but there is no guarantee what he is going to do with it. If steps in this year and shows he can continue that progression, then yes, we could be looking at a future elite number 1 WR (Reggie Wayne, etc); until he does, he is a prospect. A good one, but a prospect.

Make an argument with some reason and thought. When the pinnacle of your theory is simply claiming others are ignorant, it makes you look like a ranting kid.

Take care.

I have made an arguement with reason and thought. His second season, when taking all the facts into consideration, was a good year. Nothing more. That is all I have claimed. Who I said was ignorant was Jetsman in a completely different thread...and he keeps proving me right when trying to prove something completely different.In 2003...the Packers were run first team. Walker started out as the #3 WR, but because of injury, and his play, was elevated on the team and went on to have a good year. Not great, and you will be hard pressed to find where I have ever said anything other than it was a good year.

Now...you want to talk about facts...bring some up more than just a stat as far as number of catches and trying to compare it with someone from a completely different team which is totally irrelevant to this matter.

 

[sho nuff]

We live in a funny society. It seems every dispute, conflict or confrontation must also have a villian. A bad guy who can be targeted for the entirety of whatever dispute, conflict or confrontation is currently on the table. We have lawyers and civil courts and the buzz word of "I am going to sue somebody" and the action of 'pointing the finger' are very prevalent in today's society.

And whatever happen between Javon Walker and the Green Bay Packers, we will never be priviledged too. But instead of acknowledging the obvious, "Both parties are probably at fault", some of us who have a rooting interest in the two dogs in the fight feel the need to validate themselves by devalidating the opposition to our rooting interest; Javon Walker.



Green Bay is one of the better franchises in the league. They have one of the richest traditions. They are a staple of the NFL as much as the Cowboys, Giants and Steelers. Their fans also have a lot of pride.

But the franchise does have some egg on it's face over the past 12 months.

1) Brett Favre is defended (and sometimes praised) for speaking his mind when somebody in the media asks him questions. However, when somebody in the media asks Javon Walker a question and he speaks his mind, he is crucified. Certainly Favre deserves some additional leway, but there has been a clear contradition.

2) Javon Walker concluded the Packers do not respect him because they did not redo his deal with two years remaining (despite keeping his early request out of the media). 12 months later the Packers do redo Driver's contract with two years remaining on his deal. Again, another clear contradiction.

And if anybody believes I am trying to bash the Packers, let me be the first to say the Packers (as an organization) consistently out perform my franchise in a variety of categories. The Packers have been fortunate to have a great 14 years, but today's franchise is not the same franchise Reggie White left Philadelphia for.

Great Post, That's what many are saying here, but certain fans seem to see any negative commentary on their favorite franchise as a personal attack. They should at least look at it and consider the point of view of the poster, and not see everything as a challenge to their own beliefs

well said

I see undo negative criticism that flies int he face of actual quotes refuting that criticism as something that needs to be challenged.

 

[Garrett]

Look...this nonsense that he had only 1 good year is beyond ignorant.

Get a clue.

Nice try again, but your ignorance in this matter just keeps shining through.

Look at all the numbers and facts...it helps you not look as ignorant as you do right now.

Please link for me where I ever stated that he did not say he was not going to play for the Packers? You are ignorant...you do not even know what you are arguing anymore.

Make an argument with some reason and thought. When the pinnacle of your theory is simply claiming others are ignorant, it makes you look like a ranting kid.

I have made an arguement with reason and thought. His second season, when taking all the facts into consideration, was a good year. Nothing more. That is all I have claimed. Who I said was ignorant was Jetsman in a completely different thread...and he keeps proving me right when trying to prove something completely different.

If you are going to make an argument with reason and thought. Take the time to spell argument correctly and keep track of what you have already said.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I'd certainly love Jake Plummer throwing to me instead of Tom Brady.

I also don't buy the story about him missing 4 flights. Like his agent couldn't just tell NE that he was not interested....if, in fact, that was the case.

 

[sho nuff]

Ahhh...spelling...what to attack when you cannot debate the facts of the matter.

 

[jetsman]

no you think you know something....the Quotes are that Walker would never play for the Packers again

[http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/index.php?ntid=81378

Thompson didn't want to talk about the possibility of trading recalcitrant wide receiver Javon Walker, who has vowed to never play for the Packers again.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5596300

After catching just four passes before getting hurt in 2005, Walker's unhappiness only deepened. He was upset that the Packers dismissed his contract complaints and also didn't appreciate Brett Favre telling him basically to put up and shut up.

After watching stalwart veterans have to leave through free agency (Darren Sharper,Mike Wahle, Marco Rivera), trades (Mike McKenzie) or be forced to sit out camp (Bubba Franks) to earn big contracts, Walker decided he was headed for the same treatment when his deal expired. So, he fired the first salvo, vowing to retire rather than play for the Packers again.

there are things you dont know, you choose not to ask and you pick and choose what comments you wish to listen to, thats your prerogative. I don't think I know something, I wasn't there....But I was told something by someone related to someone who was there. And both make their living working for NFL teams, one of which is the Packers, I choose to believe them as credible, you dont have to. You're entitled to your ignorance or bliss however you choose to see it. I just choose to believe someone who was there over you.

I suggested you do the research just so you might find out more and have an informed opinion, If you'd rather not its up to you

Please link for me where I ever stated that he did not say he was not going to play for the Packers? You are ignorant...you do not even know what you are arguing anymore.What I disputed was your quote in the other thread

and no doubt Brett's actions regarding Javon's coming back from his holdout, and subsequent injury have alot to do with Walker's feelings of betrayal and disrespect.

And I am backed by Javon's actual words...rather than the commentary of a journalist as you have bolded above.I do not chose to believe your source is credible...I chose not to believe that you really know anyone...and I believe that you have no clue what you are talking about...and that is evidenced by your quoting articles to prove something I never disputed in the first place.

I have done the research...I have read article after article after article on the situation.

You chose so far to quote a reporter...I chose to quote Javon himself when he stated it was not Favre that made him want to leave.

Til you bring something to the table...my opinion is supported with the fact that Walker himself agrees with me. Your opinion is supported by a claim that you know someone and nothing more.

not when you factor in what javon Walkers father said:In an interview Tuesday morning, Javon Walker’s stepfather said not money, not the passage of time and not the retirement of Brett Favre could change the wide receiver’s aversion for the team that drafted him in the first round in 2002.

“They could give him a $15 million signing bonus and he would decline it,” Charles Goldsmith said. “I think everybody is thinking it’s going to blow over and Javon’s going to show up. He’s not showing up. I mean, he is absolutely not showing up. Period. At all.”

During a 35-minute conversation, there were 23 occasions in which Goldsmith categorically and almost matter-of-factly said Walker’s days as a Packer were over.

Last month, Goldsmith sat next to Walker when he discussed his future with coach Mike McCarthy for about half an hour.

“He said, ‘It has nothing to do with you,’” Goldsmith said. “He said, ‘I don’t want to play in Green Bay ever again and I’m not coming back.’ He said, ‘If you force me to come back, you’re really going to have a terrible cancer on your hands.’

“He doesn’t want to do like ‘T.O.’ (Terrell Owens) did and cause a big disturbance. He doesn’t want to do what Mike McKenzie did. We really tried to handle this very professional. I talked to Ted (Thompson). He talked to McCarthy. Kennard (McGuire) talked to both of them. We talked to Andrew (Brandt). And they just refused.”<br>

Neither Thompson, the general manager, nor team President Bob Harlan would comment Tuesday on Goldsmith’s remarks.

On Jan. 20, Goldsmith said he had a 30-minute conversation with Thompson in which he spelled out precisely why his stepson would never play again for the Packers and that he wanted to be traded.

“He told me, ‘Charles, certainly the last thing I want to do is trade Javon,’” Goldsmith said. “‘But, if he’s unhappy, I have to take all this stuff under consideration. I can’t promise you anything.’”

McGuire, the agent for Walker, not only requested a trade but also asked Thompson for permission to shop his client. Thompson refused.

Even though Walker underwent knee surgery Oct. 7 for a torn anterior cruciate ligament and torn meniscus cartilage, there’s little doubt that the Packers could trade him. It might be an all-time weak year in the draft for wide receivers, and as a result a slew of commonplace wide receivers has received more lucrative contracts than expected in free agency.

At this point, the crop of free-agent wide receivers has been picked clean.<p>

On Tuesday, the Rocky Mountain News reported that the Denver Broncos had made informal inquiries about acquiring Walker. Thompson said teams talk all the time about trades but declined specifically to discuss the report.

Does Goldsmith ultimately expect the Packers to trade Walker, as they did with the disgruntled McKenzie in October 2004?

“I think they will,” he said. “I don’t think they’re going to have much of a choice. We’re hoping that some rational thought will take place and Ted will realize that, hey, even if you go to the end of this year, you’re going to lose him and you get nothing in return.”

If push comes to shove, Walker could report for the final six games, the minimum necessary for him to gain an accrued season and fulfill his original five-year contract. However, the Packers could place the franchise tag on Walker next February and retain his services.

On Sunday, Goldsmith and his wife, Bernita, arrived in Green Bay to arrange for all of Walker’s belongings to be shipped and to put his Green Bay house up for sale. Goldsmith, a senior vice president for Primerica Financial Services in Houston, is married to Javon’s mother and said he had been closely involved in his stepson’s life since seventh grade.

Walker hasn’t been in Green Bay other than a brief end-of-season exit interview and refused to accompany his parents this week.

“Javon just doesn’t like the environment,” Goldsmith said. “It’s not just Brett. It’s the team. There have been a lot of things that have been done to him underhanded that he knows about. He does not enjoy Green Bay and does not enjoy even thinking about Green Bay.”

If the Packers ignore Walker’s trade demands and sit on him, Goldsmith thinks it could hurt them in the long run.

“Most people don’t realize that most of these players are friends and they talk,” Goldsmith said. “They have their own little fraternity. Other players are watching what’s happening with Javon and Green Bay.

“They watched how Green Bay let those two guards get away and let somebody else pay them more money. They watched how Darren Sharper had to go to Minnesota. They watched how (Ryan) Longwell signed with Minnesota and didn’t even give Green Bay the opportunity to match it.

“They’re watching what (Aaron) Kampman went through to try to get his money right up to free agency. Ahman Green played here and got all those yards and he gets a one-year sorry contract. There was the Bubba Franks thing.

“They see this stuff and, after a while, this situation with Javon will not help Green Bay at all attracting players. I mean, they treat their players terrible. And it’s not like they don’t have the money.”

As much as Favre’s words stung last spring when Walker was preparing to hold out with two years left on his deal, Goldsmith said lack of response by management might have poisoned his stepson’s relationship with the team even more.



“I told Ted you could have just come out with a statement and said, ‘Brett does not speak for the team. We just handle all these matters internally,’” Goldsmith said. “But I told Ted, ‘You said absolutely nothing. How can you sit up there and let a player rip another player and then expect him to come back and expect him to be best of buddies and win together?’ That’s not the real world.

“Who’s running the team? Does Brett run the team or does Ted run the team?”

If Favre quits, Walker’s disgust with the Packers would not change, according to his stepfather.

“Javon is not fond of Brett,” Goldsmith said. “All that stuff on the field when they score touchdowns and they’re high-fiving, that’s for show. He just doesn’t want to play with him anymore.

“Last year, Brett Favre did something that I thought was wrong. I wish someone would tell Brett, ‘What if someone blasted one of your daughters on national TV? What would you do?

“He didn’t even pick up a phone as a leader and call Javon. Never has he once called Javon. He didn’t have to go to the media

“Then to have other people, other players come out and talk about that. Even Bart Starr said that Brett Favre has the right to do that. He has nothing to do with this.

“Brett said he was prepared to move on without Javon. Well, you moved on quite well, Brett. You threw 29 interceptions. If anybody would look at the film, they’d see those balls Brett Favre would just throw up into the air and Javon somehow magically goes and gets them.”

Walker, 27, is back and forth between Houston and Tallahassee, Fla., where he is studying to complete his undergraduate degree at Florida State. The house he is selling in Green Bay was purchased about two years ago from defensive end Jamal Reynolds, his former Florida State teammate.

His base salary for 2006 is $1.15 million.

In something of a surprise, Walker ended his threatened holdout and reported in time for the start of training camp in 2005. The influence of his stepfather was evident in his decision.

"I told Javon, 'You need to go back,'" Goldsmith said. "He said, 'I don't want to go back.' I said, 'But we need to get this accrued season. You need four accured seasons to be an unrestricted free agent. Your leverage is very slim.'"

does that sound like Javon had no problem with Brett.... I think not.

 

[sho nuff]

Step father...not father.

And I laughed at it in the other thread...so you need to post that drivel twice?

Too funny.

Don't take Javon's actual word for it...go to his stepfather who is pushing for a trade.

And Im the one who lost credibility. Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!

 

[Mediocrity]

Ahhh...spelling...what to attack when you cannot debate the facts of the matter.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

The Packers have been fortunate to have a great 14 years, but today's franchise is not the same franchise Reggie White left Philadelphia for.

1. How many teams can claim to have "a great 14 years"?

2. That is why so many people hate the Packers.

3. How many franchises are the same franchise they were 14 years ago?