Jay Cutler predictions (1 Viewer)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

how many qb's in nfl history have thrown as many times as cutler in their first 4 seasons?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...rder_by=pass_td

note: in his first 4 seasons aaron brooks posted an 82.1 passer rating (12k yds + 86 td and only 51 int) on 1798 attempts to cutler's 83.8 (12k yds + 81 td and 63 int) on 1775 attempts.

if you want to make comparisons......

 

[Max Power]

how many qb's in nfl history have thrown as many times as cutler in their first 4 seasons?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...rder_by=pass_td

note: in his first 4 seasons aaron brooks posted an 82.1 passer rating (12k yds + 86 td and only 51 int) on 1798 attempts to cutler's 83.8 (12k yds + 81 td and 63 int) on 1775 attempts.

if you want to make comparisons......

Sounds like Aarron Brooks was pretty good his first 4 seasons

 

[chook]

One of the things that concerns me about Cutler is that he doesn't have the mindset to be an elite quarterback. He's easily rattled, he lets people get inside his head, and his attitude is questionable. When a play breaks down, instead of maintaining a cool head, he forces something and it usually ends in a bad result. I just wonder if the Martz/Cutler marriage will work, given that Martz likes to have a lot of control and Cutler likes to do his own thing. I acknowledge the upside but I also think this has a chance to go very, very wrong.

Proof of this would be???

The fact that the Bears record was worse with him at the helm than it was with Orton, and the Broncos wasn't?

You're better than that, Sig.

 

[chook]

I wouldn't be happy if I threw an interception...would you? Or after my WR's stop on routes/fall down/change direction that cause interceptions(you can bring up Jaws if you want....I know more than 3 of them were the receivers fault).

yeah, I'll bear that in mind as I compare his 26 picks to other qb's around the league, all of whom are solely responsible for every one of their picks.funny how orton had less than half that total with the bears, but maybe the groundskeeper hates cutler and greased the field, or maybe the wr's are conspiring against him..........hmmmm.....of course, orton threw 6 fewer picks in denver, too......better add some more people in that conspiracy to make cutler look like an idiot.2 words:cutlersux

Welcome to ignore.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

So many more factors played into the teams record than just QB play.

The most notable being Denver's improved Defense in 09. In 08 they gave up 28 points a game, in 09 20 points a game. So on average Cutler had to lead two additional scoring drives a game to maintain the same record.

yeah, when you continually give the ball back to the other team they tend to score more.actually, I think I might've just figured him out ---- when you've got a pretty big lead the coach might pull you late in games, or just eat the clock handing the ball off, but if the other team were to keep scoring you need to keep throwing, thus pimping your stats, thus ca-ching! on your next contract.

cutler might just be smarter than the average bear.

Keep fishing...you don't like Cutler...we get it.

what I actually don't like is this rampant attitude in society that there's always a fall guy to blame, and we never need be held responsible for ourselves.cutler could throw the ball to the other team for ten more years, produce .500 records another decade, and people will still make excuses for him and blame the defense.

so, what I will do is undertake a little study of his picks last year.........

week - margin of victory/loss

yardline opponent's drive started on after pick - resulting points from drive

(drives starting inside chicago's 40 are in RED)

W1 - 6 pt loss

opp 43 - 0

opp 14 - (-2)

own 1 - 7

own 14 - 0

W2 - 3 pt win

none

W3 - 6 pt win

opp 15 - 3

W4 - 24 pt win

none

W5 - BYE

W6 - 7 pt loss

opp 14 - 0

opp 45 - 7

W7 - 35 pt loss

own 17 - 3

opp 39 - 7

opp 47 - 7

W8 - 24 pt win

own 34 - 0

W9 - 20 pt loss

own 17 - 7

W10 - 4 pt loss

opp 11 - 0

own 14 - 7

opp 45 - 0

own 44 - 3

W11 - 4 pt loss

50 - 0

W12 - 26 pt loss

opp 20 - 0

opp 30 - 7

W13 - 8 pt win

none

W14 - 7 pt loss

own 39 - 3

own 11 - 7

W15 - 24 pt loss

opp 48 - 7

opp 19 - 7

opp 28 - 0

own 37 - 0

W16 - 6 pt win

opp 47 - 3

W17 - 14 pt win

none

that's a total of 26 picks leading to drives that produced a total of 83 points.

chicago finished 21st in the league in points allowed with 375.

cincy finished 6th at 291 points allowed, which happens to be just 84 points fewer.

what a difference 26 picks make.

 

[TitusIII]

Can't expect too much in year on in a new system(which is why I'll take last year AND this year with a grain of salt in regards to Cutler's development)....but I think 30TD's is probably a lock, along with 15-20 picks. Come 2011? If Martz is now the head-coach or at least still the man calling the shots? I think Cuter puts up stats that are out of this world. 40TD potential, imo...trade for him in dynasty formats while you can.

 

[sho nuff]

So many more factors played into the teams record than just QB play. The most notable being Denver's improved Defense in 09. In 08 they gave up 28 points a game, in 09 20 points a game. So on average Cutler had to lead two additional scoring drives a game to maintain the same record.

yeah, when you continually give the ball back to the other team they tend to score more.actually, I think I might've just figured him out ---- when you've got a pretty big lead the coach might pull you late in games, or just eat the clock handing the ball off, but if the other team were to keep scoring you need to keep throwing, thus pimping your stats, thus ca-ching! on your next contract.cutler might just be smarter than the average bear.

Keep fishing...you don't like Cutler...we get it.

And you are a Bear fan who likes Cutler and will defend him...we get that too.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

So many more factors played into the teams record than just QB play.

The most notable being Denver's improved Defense in 09. In 08 they gave up 28 points a game, in 09 20 points a game. So on average Cutler had to lead two additional scoring drives a game to maintain the same record.

yeah, when you continually give the ball back to the other team they tend to score more.actually, I think I might've just figured him out ---- when you've got a pretty big lead the coach might pull you late in games, or just eat the clock handing the ball off, but if the other team were to keep scoring you need to keep throwing, thus pimping your stats, thus ca-ching! on your next contract.

cutler might just be smarter than the average bear.

Keep fishing...you don't like Cutler...we get it.

what I actually don't like is this rampant attitude in society that there's always a fall guy to blame, and we never need be held responsible for ourselves.It's a team game all 11 of them have to work together to be successful.

cutler could throw the ball to the other team for ten more years, produce .500 records another decade, and people will still make excuses for him and blame the defense.

So you're going to assume what people opposite of you think....can't wait for this.

so, what I will do is undertake a little study of his picks last year.........

week - margin of victory/loss

yardline opponent's drive started on after pick - resulting points from drive

(drives starting inside chicago's 40 are in RED)

W1 - 6 pt loss

opp 43 - 0

opp 14 - (-2)

own 1 - 7

own 14 - 0

W2 - 3 pt win

none

W3 - 6 pt win

opp 15 - 3

W4 - 24 pt win

none

W5 - BYE

W6 - 7 pt loss

opp 14 - 0

opp 45 - 7

W7 - 35 pt loss

own 17 - 3

opp 39 - 7

opp 47 - 7

W8 - 24 pt win

own 34 - 0

W9 - 20 pt loss

own 17 - 7

W10 - 4 pt loss

opp 11 - 0

own 14 - 7

opp 45 - 0

own 44 - 3

W11 - 4 pt loss

50 - 0

W12 - 26 pt loss

opp 20 - 0

opp 30 - 7

W13 - 8 pt win

none

W14 - 7 pt loss

own 39 - 3

own 11 - 7

W15 - 24 pt loss

opp 48 - 7

opp 19 - 7

opp 28 - 0

own 37 - 0

W16 - 6 pt win

opp 47 - 3

W17 - 14 pt win

none

that's a total of 26 picks leading to drives that produced a total of 83 points.

chicago finished 21st in the league in points allowed with 375.

cincy finished 6th at 291 points allowed, which happens to be just 84 points fewer.

what a difference 26 picks make.

Contradict much???You state that everyone will make excuses for Cutler his whole career....yet in a team game....you state earlier in the thread that "Cutler Sux" and now that all of these picks accounted for 83 points for the other team...which is his fault.

Cutler made some bad choices and decisions in his first year in Chicago...I don't think anyone is stating that differently. But to blame him for all of the INT's is just wrong:

-Cutler got hit by defenders more than any other QB outside of 1(the OL wasn't good and maybe Cutler held onto the ball too long). Either way pass protection wasn't a bonus in Chicago(which is why in the offseason they signed Chester Taylor and Brandon Manemalua).

-Young inexperienced skill players(Olsen is young, Forte was in his 2nd year, all those young WR's).

-Lack of a good running game(Forte's sprained knee in week 3 didn't help this situation).

Also if you don't think the biggest issue in Chicago last season was missing Brian Urlacher for 15.5 games, then you're nuts. Outside of his talent and experience over a very young Nick Roach and an athletically challenged Hunter Hillenmeyer....Urlacher's leadership was missing from that D....he was the QB of the defense and it was missing last year.

 

[mbuehner]

that's a total of 26 picks leading to drives that produced a total of 83 points.chicago finished 21st in the league in points allowed with 375.cincy finished 6th at 291 points allowed, which happens to be just 84 points fewer.what a difference 26 picks make.

Yeah, an average QB throws zero picks so you can just subtract all those points and come up with a sensible answer.Nobody was happy with Cutler throwing that many picks, obviously. But whats the difference? Lose by 3 or lose by 10 or 17. This wasn't a good football team, at least somebody was out there playing flat out despite being chased all over the field. If the defense and STs bounce back and the offense starts throwing away games well in hand, we can talk. But why worry about meaningless stats? Were the Bears going to outplay the Vikings or Packers if Cutler threw 10 less ints (and some less TDs obviously if you are going to put a leash on him)? No, they were not.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

that's a total of 26 picks leading to drives that produced a total of 83 points.chicago finished 21st in the league in points allowed with 375.cincy finished 6th at 291 points allowed, which happens to be just 84 points fewer.what a difference 26 picks make.

Yeah, an average QB throws zero picks so you can just subtract all those points and come up with a sensible answer.Nobody was happy with Cutler throwing that many picks, obviously. But whats the difference? Lose by 3 or lose by 10 or 17. This wasn't a good football team, at least somebody was out there playing flat out despite being chased all over the field. If the defense and STs bounce back and the offense starts throwing away games well in hand, we can talk. But why worry about meaningless stats? Were the Bears going to outplay the Vikings or Packers if Cutler threw 10 less ints (and some less TDs obviously if you are going to put a leash on him)? No, they were not.

haha...I'm busted --- I only got it past one guy.by the way, though, that's kind of funny what you said about outplaying minny and gb by throwing fewer picks --- you might not know it, but they already beat minny last year, and they played gb in weeks 1 + 14.go take a look at my longass post and check out weeks 1 + 14.maybe those weren't the best examples........

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Contradict much???

You state that everyone will make excuses for Cutler his whole career....yet in a team game....you state earlier in the thread that "Cutler Sux" and now that all of these picks accounted for 83 points for the other team...which is his fault.

Cutler made some bad choices and decisions in his first year in Chicago...I don't think anyone is stating that differently. But to blame him for all of the INT's is just wrong:

-Cutler got hit by defenders more than any other QB outside of 1(the OL wasn't good and maybe Cutler held onto the ball too long). Either way pass protection wasn't a bonus in Chicago(which is why in the offseason they signed Chester Taylor and Brandon Manemalua).

man, you didn't have to quote the whole thing.if I'm throwing out half the picks 'cuz they weren't cutler's fault then I can say the same thing about every other qb in the league that I'm comparing him to and he still ends up throwing twice what he should.

I didn't see orton throwing any 26 picks in chicago......

hey --- here's the subject of this thread:

Jay Cutler predictions, With Mr Martz

now, check that line I bolded and......GO!!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

There's a big downside to the Cutler/Martz marriage too, Cooley's Angels hints at it when he asks:

Whether Cutler can learn to work a timing-based system instead of being a gunslinger

Let's not forget that Ron Jaworski analyzed Cutler's INTs last year and concluded that all but three were Cutler's fault and Cutler's fault alone. Just to throw some ice on the Aromashodu love going around, three of his INTs were on throws to him, even though Aromashodu only had significant playing time in four games - which is a sign that (as Ive been saying all offseason) if Cutler is still zeroing in on Aromashodu, chances are it means that he's not running the offense true to form, and it will probably be part of another crash and burn season.Cutler has already had the benefit of playing in pass-happy offenses, so he doesn't have as much upside as people think in the Martz offense. He has taken down Mike Shanahan and Ron Turner so far with his failures, and Martz could be next. If Cutler doesn't reinvent himself as a disciplined QB who relies on the game plan and play design more than his talent to defeat offenses this year, his reputation as a coach killer will be sealed, and the Bears may well look to QB when they finally get back in the first round next year. So while Cutler could blossom and put up great fantasy numbers under Martz, this could also be the last offseason that we think of him as a talented young QB with a possibly bright future.

I haven't read further than this post but I have a feeling it erupted a bunch more posts. Lot of cheerleading going on but Bloom has a strong take here and certainly it needs to be examined more. And to post back at you Bloom, in response to your last sentence...we may there already.

 

[two_dollars]

There's a big downside to the Cutler/Martz marriage too, Cooley's Angels hints at it when he asks:

Whether Cutler can learn to work a timing-based system instead of being a gunslinger

Let's not forget that Ron Jaworski analyzed Cutler's INTs last year and concluded that all but three were Cutler's fault and Cutler's fault alone. Just to throw some ice on the Aromashodu love going around, three of his INTs were on throws to him, even though Aromashodu only had significant playing time in four games - which is a sign that (as Ive been saying all offseason) if Cutler is still zeroing in on Aromashodu, chances are it means that he's not running the offense true to form, and it will probably be part of another crash and burn season.Cutler has already had the benefit of playing in pass-happy offenses, so he doesn't have as much upside as people think in the Martz offense. He has taken down Mike Shanahan and Ron Turner so far with his failures, and Martz could be next. If Cutler doesn't reinvent himself as a disciplined QB who relies on the game plan and play design more than his talent to defeat offenses this year, his reputation as a coach killer will be sealed, and the Bears may well look to QB when they finally get back in the first round next year. So while Cutler could blossom and put up great fantasy numbers under Martz, this could also be the last offseason that we think of him as a talented young QB with a possibly bright future.

I haven't read further than this post but I have a feeling it erupted a bunch more posts. Lot of cheerleading going on but Bloom has a strong take here and certainly it needs to be examined more. And to post back at you Bloom, in response to your last sentence...we may there already.

I'm not sure I can trust what this Bloom guy says after how he spun Cutler's attitude about his interceptions.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

There's a big downside to the Cutler/Martz marriage too, Cooley's Angels hints at it when he asks:

Whether Cutler can learn to work a timing-based system instead of being a gunslinger

Let's not forget that Ron Jaworski analyzed Cutler's INTs last year and concluded that all but three were Cutler's fault and Cutler's fault alone. Just to throw some ice on the Aromashodu love going around, three of his INTs were on throws to him, even though Aromashodu only had significant playing time in four games - which is a sign that (as Ive been saying all offseason) if Cutler is still zeroing in on Aromashodu, chances are it means that he's not running the offense true to form, and it will probably be part of another crash and burn season.Cutler has already had the benefit of playing in pass-happy offenses, so he doesn't have as much upside as people think in the Martz offense. He has taken down Mike Shanahan and Ron Turner so far with his failures, and Martz could be next. If Cutler doesn't reinvent himself as a disciplined QB who relies on the game plan and play design more than his talent to defeat offenses this year, his reputation as a coach killer will be sealed, and the Bears may well look to QB when they finally get back in the first round next year. So while Cutler could blossom and put up great fantasy numbers under Martz, this could also be the last offseason that we think of him as a talented young QB with a possibly bright future.

I haven't read further than this post but I have a feeling it erupted a bunch more posts. Lot of cheerleading going on but Bloom has a strong take here and certainly it needs to be examined more. And to post back at you Bloom, in response to your last sentence...we may there already.

I'm not sure I can trust what this Bloom guy says after how he spun Cutler's attitude about his interceptions.

That was actually Mike Florio from PFT's take, but it also matches a lot of what Cecil saw when Cutler was in Denver.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

2 words:cutlersux

looks like I've got a career waiting for me as an NFL scout.

 

[nysportsfan]

2 words:cutlersux

looks like I've got a career waiting for me as an NFL scout.

Bumping every Cutler thread saying the same thing does not make you a scout, KAL.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I actually found that other thread when I was looking for this thread --- AND I found this one by including a 3 letter word OMGGGGGGG!!!!

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

2 words:cutlersux

looks like I've got a career waiting for me as an NFL scout.

You're a tool, start adding substance to the board or be gone.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

2 words:cutlersux

looks like I've got a career waiting for me as an NFL scout.

You're a tool, start adding substance to the board or be gone.

are you cutler's mother, by any chance?