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Jerome Harrison done in Cleveland? (1 Viewer)

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gradin123

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Something strange is happening in Cleveland this week. Before Wednesday's practice Mangini held a press conference where he talked about players having to be accountable for ball security and stated if they keep losing the ball then they simply won't play. Harrison had a big fumble last Sunday and also had fumbling problems in the preseason so the timing on Mangini's comments seemed to be focusing on Harrison. During that same press conference Mangini listed the players that would not practice on Wednesday due to injury and there was no mention of Harrison potentially missing practice. Thing is he did miss practice with a groin injury that seemed to come out of nowhere. Mangini said today that he had expected Harrison to practice yesterday but it tightened up on him. Maybe that is the truth but maybe there is something else going on here. One could reasonably speculate that Harrison might be sick of being in Mangini's doghouse and decided to give up on playing under him.

Harrison is usually a pretty chatty player with the media and last week complained about not getting the ball enough in Week#1. Last Sunday he got he ball a lot but struggled and he hasn't spoke with the media since. He missed practice again today and Mangini said that while he expects Harrison to practice tomorrow he doesn't know what his status for Sunday will be.

In the meantime, there have been a few reports this week about James Davis getting a chance to play this week and Davis said the coaches told him to have a good week of practice and did so in manner that got his hopes up. It sounds a lot to me like Harrison will not play this week and his "injured" groin probably isn't the real reason why.

Harrison is not a real young guy and he obviously is not a favorite of Mangini's nor is he is the Browns longterm plans. If he is quitting on the team right now or vice versa does it make a lot of sense for Cleveland to keep him around? Could he be jettisoned off to a team like the Packers for a late round pick? Would the Packers even want him? I don't know but it does appear Harrisons days in Cleveland are numbered.

 
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10tihwj said:
Hillis has been coughing it up way too much as well.
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Well Hillis didn't fumble last week and this isn't really about fumbling its about Harrison finding his way back in Mangini's doghouse. Harrison will not be active Sunday! You can quote me on that. The main beneficary is most likely going to be James Davis anyways. I would expect Hillis' role to stay the same or increase slightly.
 
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Harrison was the offseason darling of many who were fooled by his end of season stats. Stats created by attrition in the RB corps and ineptitude at QB, where it was decided to simply give a guy 106 carries the last 3 games of the year against bad run defenses and keep things simple. He has turned out to be fool's gold as many of us were predicting.

He still has never learned how to block a defender and is nearly useless in pass pro, and he never has been or will be a feature back for any extended period. And, Mangini's job is on the line and he knows it. He's not going to play guys that cough up the ball and cost them points that result in 16-14 losses like last week, losing it on his own 23.

He has no future as a featured back, in CLE or GB or anywhere else. He's a committee back at best, or a backup. Harrison owners, just accept it and forget the end of last year. It was a mirage.

 
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Raider Nation said:
gradin123 said:
Raider Nation said:
gradin123 said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
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Whatever buddy. When Harrison is inactive on Sunday just remember where you heard it first.
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:confused: Does a black dot mean something different than it used to?
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I always thought that meant stop thread. What does it mean?
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It's a bookmark, bud. People use that to remind them what threads they want to revisit.
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Good lookin out. Yea, I'm just keeping my eye on this. Original post was in depth and interesting.
 
Raider Nation said:
gradin123 said:
Raider Nation said:
gradin123 said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
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Whatever buddy. When Harrison is inactive on Sunday just remember where you heard it first.
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:confused: Does a black dot mean something different than it used to?
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I always thought that meant stop thread. What does it mean?
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It's a bookmark, bud. People use that to remind them what threads they want to revisit.
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The :lmao: is also the same as just . It's just something to get you on the topic's e-mail update list.
 
Couch Potato said:
Harrison was the offseason darling of many who were fooled by his end of season stats. Stats created by attrition in the RB corps and ineptitude at QB, where it was decided to simply give a guy 106 carries the last 3 games of the year against bad run defenses and keep things simple. He has turned out to be fool's gold as many of us were predicting.
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Is Otis still going down with this ship?
 
Couch Potato said:
Harrison was the offseason darling of many who were fooled by his end of season stats. Stats created by attrition in the RB corps and ineptitude at QB, where it was decided to simply give a guy 106 carries the last 3 games of the year against bad run defenses and keep things simple. He has turned out to be fool's gold as many of us were predicting.He still has never learned how to block a defender and is nearly useless in pass pro, and he never has been or will be a feature back for any extended period. And, Mangini's job is on the line and he knows it. He's not going to play guys that cough up the ball and cost them points that result in 16-14 losses like last week, losing it on his own 23.He has no future as a featured back, in CLE or GB or anywhere else. He's a committee back at best, or a backup. Harrison owners, just accept it and forget the end of last year. It was a mirage.
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Another way of looking at it is that Cleveland won their last 4 games by riding Harrison and now Mangini is trying to get as far away from that formula as possible.
 
Raider Nation said:
Couch Potato said:
Harrison was the offseason darling of many who were fooled by his end of season stats. Stats created by attrition in the RB corps and ineptitude at QB, where it was decided to simply give a guy 106 carries the last 3 games of the year against bad run defenses and keep things simple. He has turned out to be fool's gold as many of us were predicting.
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Is Otis still going down with this ship?
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I'm looking forward to receiving my $1.
 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Couch Potato said:
Harrison was the offseason darling of many who were fooled by his end of season stats. Stats created by attrition in the RB corps and ineptitude at QB, where it was decided to simply give a guy 106 carries the last 3 games of the year against bad run defenses and keep things simple. He has turned out to be fool's gold as many of us were predicting.He still has never learned how to block a defender and is nearly useless in pass pro, and he never has been or will be a feature back for any extended period. And, Mangini's job is on the line and he knows it. He's not going to play guys that cough up the ball and cost them points that result in 16-14 losses like last week, losing it on his own 23.He has no future as a featured back, in CLE or GB or anywhere else. He's a committee back at best, or a backup. Harrison owners, just accept it and forget the end of last year. It was a mirage.
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Another way of looking at it is that Cleveland won their last 4 games by riding Harrison and now Mangini is trying to get as far away from that formula as possible.
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:bag: I don't follow the Browns too closely, but I am of the opinion that Mangini is the biggest clown of a coach I've seen in the NFL in a long time, if not ever. The guy makes the Bills' coaches of the past decade look like they had a firm grasp on what it takes to run a successful franchise.
 
Grigs Allmoon said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Couch Potato said:
Harrison was the offseason darling of many who were fooled by his end of season stats. Stats created by attrition in the RB corps and ineptitude at QB, where it was decided to simply give a guy 106 carries the last 3 games of the year against bad run defenses and keep things simple. He has turned out to be fool's gold as many of us were predicting.He still has never learned how to block a defender and is nearly useless in pass pro, and he never has been or will be a feature back for any extended period. And, Mangini's job is on the line and he knows it. He's not going to play guys that cough up the ball and cost them points that result in 16-14 losses like last week, losing it on his own 23.He has no future as a featured back, in CLE or GB or anywhere else. He's a committee back at best, or a backup. Harrison owners, just accept it and forget the end of last year. It was a mirage.
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Another way of looking at it is that Cleveland won their last 4 games by riding Harrison and now Mangini is trying to get as far away from that formula as possible.
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:rant: I don't follow the Browns too closely, but I am of the opinion that Mangini is the biggest clown of a coach I've seen in the NFL in a long time, if not ever. The guy makes the Bills' coaches of the past decade look like they had a firm grasp on what it takes to run a successful franchise.
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Yeah, the guy is an idiot. I had Harrison penciled in for 540 carries this year. I can't believe Mangini would not give him the ball more. I know bashing Mangini is the popular thing to do but the simple fact is that Harrison isn't anything more than an average back and those who bought into him screwed up royally. You can bring up the last 4 games of the season for the Browns all you want but the reason they won 3 of those games was defense, not Harrison who had a YPC of 3.8, 3.8, and 1.3 in of those 3 games. Harrison also had the majority of the carries this week with a whopping 2.1 YPC and a fumble lost. Harrison owners can do 1 of 2 things. Bash Mangini and go down in flames or try to get anything they can out of Harrison and look to salvage their season.
 
I'm a "casual at ebst" follower of the Browns. Even with Sunday Ticket, they get blacked out a lot where I live and I seldom care to go back and really look at anything beyond their box scores.

So, I'm wondering: before that really weird streak down the stretch last year where he put up the monster points, wasn't Harrison seemingly always at odds with mangini? I'm not certain but it seems like news on him is always like his status is up in the air for one thing or another. Is that the case or am I thinking of someone else?

If that IS the case, I am thinking that there is a pretty good trend going that this guy just can't earn the support/trust (whatever you want to term it) of the team and he's not really young enough to see a long-term future with the Browns.

 
I actually think Mangini is a pretty good evaluator of talent, just not a great play caller or able to relate to players that well.

Hills could be a nice value play for PPR leagues and otherwise, considering he is their best short yardage/GL back and has sure hands.

So, stop thread :thumbup:

 
I think it's a sound strategy for Green Bay to take cast-offs from the Browns if they're truly serious about a Super Bowl run this year.

 
For the record, most people had written off Harrison at the end of last year. Chris Jennings was believed to get the lions' share of carries going into the KC game last year, I believe, where Harrison had that record performance.

 
PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Couch Potato said:
Harrison was the offseason darling of many who were fooled by his end of season stats. Stats created by attrition in the RB corps and ineptitude at QB, where it was decided to simply give a guy 106 carries the last 3 games of the year against bad run defenses and keep things simple. He has turned out to be fool's gold as many of us were predicting.He still has never learned how to block a defender and is nearly useless in pass pro, and he never has been or will be a feature back for any extended period. And, Mangini's job is on the line and he knows it. He's not going to play guys that cough up the ball and cost them points that result in 16-14 losses like last week, losing it on his own 23.He has no future as a featured back, in CLE or GB or anywhere else. He's a committee back at best, or a backup. Harrison owners, just accept it and forget the end of last year. It was a mirage.
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Another way of looking at it is that Cleveland won their last 4 games by riding Harrison and now Mangini is trying to get as far away from that formula as possible.
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:goodposting: I don't follow the Browns too closely, but I am of the opinion that Mangini is the biggest clown of a coach I've seen in the NFL in a long time, if not ever. The guy makes the Bills' coaches of the past decade look like they had a firm grasp on what it takes to run a successful franchise.
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Yeah, the guy is an idiot. I had Harrison penciled in for 540 carries this year. I can't believe Mangini would not give him the ball more. I know bashing Mangini is the popular thing to do but the simple fact is that Harrison isn't anything more than an average back and those who bought into him screwed up royally. You can bring up the last 4 games of the season for the Browns all you want but the reason they won 3 of those games was defense, not Harrison who had a YPC of 3.8, 3.8, and 1.3 in of those 3 games. Harrison also had the majority of the carries this week with a whopping 2.1 YPC and a fumble lost. Harrison owners can do 1 of 2 things. Bash Mangini and go down in flames or try to get anything they can out of Harrison and look to salvage their season.
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I have to agree here. Harrison has been benched by the Crennel regime, Mangini and possibly now by Mangini/Holmgren. That is literally three groups of management and/or coaching, so my guess is something is wrong here. He is not committing the obvious stuff like being habitually late for meetings or DUIs, but something is just not right with this guy. He was flat-out amazing last year and would seem to warrant more carries, but Holmgren chose to draft Hardesty and brought in Hillis. Last year's other upstart, Jamal Charles (who is known publicly not to be 100% supported by his head coach), just had Thomas Jones brought in to share carries.
 
I'd like to continue to monitor the progress of this thread and , if at all possible, receive some form of notification when there is a new posting.

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PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Couch Potato said:
Harrison was the offseason darling of many who were fooled by his end of season stats. Stats created by attrition in the RB corps and ineptitude at QB, where it was decided to simply give a guy 106 carries the last 3 games of the year against bad run defenses and keep things simple. He has turned out to be fool's gold as many of us were predicting.He still has never learned how to block a defender and is nearly useless in pass pro, and he never has been or will be a feature back for any extended period. And, Mangini's job is on the line and he knows it. He's not going to play guys that cough up the ball and cost them points that result in 16-14 losses like last week, losing it on his own 23.He has no future as a featured back, in CLE or GB or anywhere else. He's a committee back at best, or a backup. Harrison owners, just accept it and forget the end of last year. It was a mirage.
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Another way of looking at it is that Cleveland won their last 4 games by riding Harrison and now Mangini is trying to get as far away from that formula as possible.
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:goodposting: I don't follow the Browns too closely, but I am of the opinion that Mangini is the biggest clown of a coach I've seen in the NFL in a long time, if not ever. The guy makes the Bills' coaches of the past decade look like they had a firm grasp on what it takes to run a successful franchise.
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Yeah, the guy is an idiot. I had Harrison penciled in for 540 carries this year. I can't believe Mangini would not give him the ball more. I know bashing Mangini is the popular thing to do but the simple fact is that Harrison isn't anything more than an average back and those who bought into him screwed up royally. You can bring up the last 4 games of the season for the Browns all you want but the reason they won 3 of those games was defense, not Harrison who had a YPC of 3.8, 3.8, and 1.3 in of those 3 games. Harrison also had the majority of the carries this week with a whopping 2.1 YPC and a fumble lost. Harrison owners can do 1 of 2 things. Bash Mangini and go down in flames or try to get anything they can out of Harrison and look to salvage their season.
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I wasn't really talking specifically about how he's handled Harrison. I was talking about his body of work.That said, to say Harrison is merely average is a bit of an understatement. The only other player they have better is Cribbs, so they should be feeding those two the ball. (Again, I'm not talking about FF.)
 
Kiddnets said:
Harrison didnt practice again today....Davis train coming?
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I would be skeptical that Davis will get a lot of carries right off the bat. Just a guess, but I would think that Hillis would carry the load, with Davis spelling him.Hope I'm wrong, as I also picked Davis up yesterday as a flier.
 
anyone considering swapping Harrison for Davis? I'm seriously considering it. This situation just doesn't smell right as a Harrison owner.

 
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