Young 8
Footballguy
actually........the STEELERS D allowed 171 rushing yds, so starting Harrison wasn't exactly a bad callunfortunately he was outplayed by Cribbs & Jennings (and Mangini)
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Jerome Harrison-This Year's Playoff Winner? (1 Viewer)
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Instinctive
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure the point made was don't start him in week 14, and he may be worth a flier if you need a bomm-bust flex in weeks 15/16 against terrible run defenses.We'll see how it turns out...but at this point I may be starting Grant or Forsett over him in 15 at least
puckalicious
Footballguy
Sour grapes for me as Brown sucked even harder. I'll have to disagree with your points above though. Many playoff games are won/lost based on 1 player having a bad day. Harrison was ranked top 20 by Bloom and top 30 by Dodds, which is a legitimate RB2 start. Not everyone can have Chris Johnson and ADP on their roster. Actually probably nobody does. My team does suck overall even though I was a 4 seed, I got killed this week by all my players. Rodgers anyone?
Instinctive
Footballguy
As the guy who started the thread, and they guy who is riding him to the semis...I feel really good about this call right now
Young 8
Footballguy
so.....you started him after what happened last week ??gutsy call
lyon812
Footballguy
No doubt. I was starting him until last week's debacle, and it's going to bite me in the ###. Good call, Instinctive.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
wonder what the future holds for Harrison and Jennings.
I don't think Cleveland will draft an RB with all there needs since the Combo of Jennings/Harrison/Cribbs seems to be working so well. Also, with Cleveland finally looking like a NFL team wonder if Eric keeps his job.
Maybe the smart thing to do is trade Harrison for a draft pick before the NFL Draft
I don't think Cleveland will draft an RB with all there needs since the Combo of Jennings/Harrison/Cribbs seems to be working so well. Also, with Cleveland finally looking like a NFL team wonder if Eric keeps his job.
Maybe the smart thing to do is trade Harrison for a draft pick before the NFL Draft
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The CBS site has him being started in 11% of leagues.
Away game, and who knew whether Jennings or Cribbs would get the carries or if Quinn would put up a dog (he is but it matters not apparently).
Kudos to those of you smart enough to start him.
Away game, and who knew whether Jennings or Cribbs would get the carries or if Quinn would put up a dog (he is but it matters not apparently).
Kudos to those of you smart enough to start him.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Geez. 
Wish I had read this thread and thought about picking this guy up. 286 rushing yards and 3 TDs. That has to be one of the highest rushing totals in a game in NFL history.
ETA: Wow, third most rushing yards in a game in NFL history.
Wish I had read this thread and thought about picking this guy up. 286 rushing yards and 3 TDs. That has to be one of the highest rushing totals in a game in NFL history.ETA: Wow, third most rushing yards in a game in NFL history.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Could be...if he does this again next week (I hope to God he does) then the hype and value may never be higher...guys see a player who won your playoffs, lots of hype, and could be the guy going into next season...very shark move I think
!!!! Of course I'm out of it in that league :X 
Todem
Footballguy
This was not a case of smart enough....lucky call if you started him today because after last week...nothing....nothing indicated (other than a roll of the dice) that anybody could have guessed this.
And yes he is on one of my benches today <_<
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Young 8
Footballguy
exactly
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Crennel and Mangenius should nevah work again.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Nothing? Or was he sick last week and Mangini still said he was the starter, after saying he was the starter last week.Btw...Harrison broke Jim Brown's single game rushing record, and was less than 20 yards away from breaking Adrian peterson's NFL record...kinda hope Peterson answers him today
Young 8
Footballguy
ok, so everyone has been fooled.....except youeven the FBG experts
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Football Outsiders have been pimping this guy for years. One of the most productive guys in the league when he actually is given the ball.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Broke Jim Brown's Franchise record... wow
Desert_Power
Footballguy
No one could have seen that coming after last week. 50 points on my bench. Hopefully I get to use him next week.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
It's going to be really fun when we all start him next week just to see him hit the bench for Jennings again.
wadegarrett
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Props Instinctive- I had this guy as cannon fodder- threw in Jennings today and now my season is ovah!!!!!!!!!
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Instinctive
Footballguy
I think it's safe to assume he gets the full load next week against Oakland? Who has been playing pretty well of late, actually.
mike303
Footballguy
I can top that. He was on all three of my benches today and it is quite likely that I will lose all three playoff games. The kick in the nuts is that I needed a spot starter for Turner and I gave the nod to Jennings...Todem said:And yes he is on one of my benches today
ETA: GREAT CALL by the guy who started this thread. I hope you win all your leagues. If you started him today despite the talk of Cribbs getting the carries, you deserve to win it all.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Hell yeah he's worth a pickup. Oakland next week, I'm rollin him out with Grant vs SEA and All Day vs CHI.He's a Free Agent I believe, and with Norwood and Washington injuries, his only real competition IMO is LenDale White. He could get a favorable situation, even if he stays in CLE. I think he's worth a shot, especially off waivers, as a guy to see if you wanna keep him next year.Guy in my league cut him this morning.He worth a pickup for next week? I'll probably have the top pick. It's a keeper league too, so, he have the inside track to start next season?
lyon812
Footballguy
That's exactly what I said in the other thread. I'm not sure who's in the market to sign him, but I'd be somewhat surprised if he stayed in CLE--for the simple reason that I can't imagine he'd want to continue playing for the team/coach that's jerked him around in terms of playing time for, well, his entire career (but especially this one).
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
How about if you had a team where you started him for a point against the Steelers and didn't bother to change your lineup for the consolation game. Does that make you a "shark?"
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
So does anyone know if Harrison got the 'start' yesterday, or did Jennings start and JH took over at some point? I didn't see any pregame announcements saying he'd be the starter, did I miss something?
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Think he got the start. Don't quote me on it though...just seem to recall talk from the Browns the lats couple weeks, and then he was sick, I think they planned all along to give him something.
First off, good call Instinctive. That was very ballsy, but it's nice to know you stick to your guts when you make a call. I haven't seen the game and the stats for who played what plays aren't out yet on profootballfocus but I knew it was too early to count Harrison out completely. In previous games, especially the Steelers game, Harrison still played an important role despite having less carries than Jennings. He started the game and had 7 carries to Jennings 5 until the second half. Of course, at that point, Jennings averaged 5.80 while Harrison averaged 1.29. Whether or not that was because of his illness, obviously the hot hand played a role in the decision to favor Jennings in the second half who had 15 more carries for 2.93 and Harrison had zero. This didn't mean that Harrison did not participate in the game at all though. In fact, he was in for 4 out of the 5 passing plays in the second half. If they had thrown the ball more like they did earlier and didn't have a lead over the Steelers to protect, you would have seen stats similar to the first half of that game in the second half. Interestingly, Harrison was in for 14 of those first half passing plays while Jennings was in none. Hence, you can see the pattern of get the lead back, keep the lead back. What this meant was that they still didn't trust Jennings to pass block and liked Harrison's receiving skills. Despite his great game in Steelers, it was obvious coming into the Kansas City game that his ceiling would be limited by that factor. Combine it with the Cribbs factor (whose increase in touches could also be attributed to the lead and hot hand) and it made it very difficult to judge the landscape of the Kansas City Game.
However, as I noted in a thread about Jennings vs Harrison before the game, I thought it would be a high scoring affair between two poor teams with even worse defenses. Possibly like the Cleveland vs Lions game. If you thought the scenario would be like that as well then you would see Jennings having less touches because the game would be very competitive and there would be more use for a passing down back than a closer. This didn't mean Jennings was out of the picture completely but it made him less appealing than if he were the go-to guy who would have a monster share against KC. I thought that Harrison would have some value in the game because of that but his ceiling would have been limited.
To make sense of starting Harrison, most of the change of pace backs who went up against them faired well
Sproles (wk 7) - 5 cars, 41 rush yards, 3 rec, 58 rec yards, 1 rec td
Sproles (wk 12) - 9 cars, 17 rush yards, 5 rec, 66 rec yards
Buckhalter - 12 cars, 113 rush yards, 3 rec, 15 rec yards
Bradshaw - 12 cars, 64 rush yards
Lynch - 12 cars, 84 rush yards, 3 rec, 10 yards
And if you looked at the scenario with SD vs Cleveland it made sense. This game resembled the SD game more where it was highly competitive and Harrison was in for 75% of the plays to Jennings 25%. There were a lot of passing plays that game and less running plays so Harrison had more value. The RBs only ran the ball 15 times that game though. No one could have predicted they would run the ball 49 times and pass it 18 times in a high scoring competitive game against KC.
Without looking at the playing breakdown, my best guess is that Harrison started the game, played during passing downs because of his superior pass blocking/receiving skills, and because KC was putting points up against them he stayed in, got a few carries, was hot, and they continued to ride him. As far as the Oakland game is concerned, I think you could see two things happen depending on the game scenarios. If it's a highly competitive game like KC, Detroit, and SD were then you will see more of harrison but if it's more of a blow out like against the Steelers or a low scoring affair like the game against the Bills then they will want to grind the ball out and there would be less need for Harrison so you *might* see more of Jennings. Harrison is safer because he can pass block and receive so he will get the start. If he has a hot hand they continue to ride him but if Jennings/Cribbs outshine him and they gain a huge lead then I could see him playing less. Definitely like Harrison though, he had what I hoped for in Foster, a receiving/blocking back who is in for both running and passing plays and has a good matchup. Only he had history and a marginally better coach. I'd play him against Oak if I still had him but I dropped him for Foster in multiple leagues
However, as I noted in a thread about Jennings vs Harrison before the game, I thought it would be a high scoring affair between two poor teams with even worse defenses. Possibly like the Cleveland vs Lions game. If you thought the scenario would be like that as well then you would see Jennings having less touches because the game would be very competitive and there would be more use for a passing down back than a closer. This didn't mean Jennings was out of the picture completely but it made him less appealing than if he were the go-to guy who would have a monster share against KC. I thought that Harrison would have some value in the game because of that but his ceiling would have been limited.
To make sense of starting Harrison, most of the change of pace backs who went up against them faired well
Sproles (wk 7) - 5 cars, 41 rush yards, 3 rec, 58 rec yards, 1 rec td
Sproles (wk 12) - 9 cars, 17 rush yards, 5 rec, 66 rec yards
Buckhalter - 12 cars, 113 rush yards, 3 rec, 15 rec yards
Bradshaw - 12 cars, 64 rush yards
Lynch - 12 cars, 84 rush yards, 3 rec, 10 yards
And if you looked at the scenario with SD vs Cleveland it made sense. This game resembled the SD game more where it was highly competitive and Harrison was in for 75% of the plays to Jennings 25%. There were a lot of passing plays that game and less running plays so Harrison had more value. The RBs only ran the ball 15 times that game though. No one could have predicted they would run the ball 49 times and pass it 18 times in a high scoring competitive game against KC.
Without looking at the playing breakdown, my best guess is that Harrison started the game, played during passing downs because of his superior pass blocking/receiving skills, and because KC was putting points up against them he stayed in, got a few carries, was hot, and they continued to ride him. As far as the Oakland game is concerned, I think you could see two things happen depending on the game scenarios. If it's a highly competitive game like KC, Detroit, and SD were then you will see more of harrison but if it's more of a blow out like against the Steelers or a low scoring affair like the game against the Bills then they will want to grind the ball out and there would be less need for Harrison so you *might* see more of Jennings. Harrison is safer because he can pass block and receive so he will get the start. If he has a hot hand they continue to ride him but if Jennings/Cribbs outshine him and they gain a huge lead then I could see him playing less. Definitely like Harrison though, he had what I hoped for in Foster, a receiving/blocking back who is in for both running and passing plays and has a good matchup. Only he had history and a marginally better coach. I'd play him against Oak if I still had him but I dropped him for Foster in multiple leagues
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lyon812
Footballguy
There were multiple reports of Harrison being in the doghouse precisely because he COULDN'T block.Harrison is safer because he can pass block and receive so he will get the start. If he has a hot hand they continue to ride him but if Jennings/Cribbs outshine him and they gain a huge lead then I could see him playing less. Definitely like Harrison though, he had what I hoped for in Foster, a receiving/blocking back who is in for both running and passing plays and has a good matchup. Only he had history and a marginally better coach. I'd play him against Oak if I still had him but I dropped him for Foster in multiple leagues
Probably isn't a great blocker and why they wanted to use Lewis when he came back rather than Harrison and why they wanted to use Jennings more but just looking at the stats from the past few games, it seems as if they use Harrison more for passing scenarios than jennings. I don't necessarily mean to say he's a great blocking back, but perhaps he's just the better of the worst when compared to Jennings? It's up to you how you want to dice the information, not sure why they wouldn't use Jennings more in a passing situation if they liked his blocking skills better than Harrison. Maybe it's because Jennings shoulder injury that he can't block as effectively? Not an expert on injuries so I can't really say anything about that. As for Foster well, hoped he was a better receiving/blocking back than Moats but it's a moot point since he never got a chance to prove it.There were multiple reports of Harrison being in the doghouse precisely because he COULDN'T block.Harrison is safer because he can pass block and receive so he will get the start. If he has a hot hand they continue to ride him but if Jennings/Cribbs outshine him and they gain a huge lead then I could see him playing less. Definitely like Harrison though, he had what I hoped for in Foster, a receiving/blocking back who is in for both running and passing plays and has a good matchup. Only he had history and a marginally better coach. I'd play him against Oak if I still had him but I dropped him for Foster in multiple leagues
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Instinctive
Footballguy
I think that you're on to something for sure with the lack of ability Jennings has in the passing game. Harrison is much more of an all around guy, therefore much more useful.
Jennings is a closer. A super-duper poor man's Marion Barber (Barber can pass block and catch)
Jennings is a closer. A super-duper poor man's Marion Barber (Barber can pass block and catch)
Instinctive
Footballguy
Teams that led their league (or were close to it) in scoring and had a week 14 bye, with star srudded lineups, were probably not desperate. They started him as a flex...and boy did it ever pay off. Just like DWill last season...
gonzobill5
Footballguy
The guy I was playing this week cut Harrison for Jennings just prior to this week. I won by about 40 and just realized that Harrison dropped 50+ in our league. On top of all of that, I had the most waiver $$ available so I can plug him in this week instead of Wayne at the flex.Guy in my league cut him this morning.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Who's rolling him out this week? If so, over what other options?
Banger
Footballguy
I'm debating between he and Maroney in the flex spot.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
I am, over P Thomas and F Jackson.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Considering him over Jacobs in the flex. Also considering Cribbs there...again.
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Same here - I have Maroney and Moreno. At this point Harrison is getting the nod.
Banger
Footballguy
Maroney vs. Jax is probably a neutral matchup and Harrison vs. Oak is pretty sweet if he gets the touches. Tough call.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Why would he not get touches?
