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Jahvid has already been concussed and is not at all a proven NFL commodity.

Leshoure on I.R.

Every year a sneaky RB comes out of the waivers to be a big producer. Harrison has had some brilliant outbursts earlier in his career, including games with carries in the 30s and some ridiculous yardage. He washed out with Cleveland and Philly. But attrition may provide a golden opportunity on an up-and-coming Lions team.

Does he have what it takes to grab hold of the starter's job if it presents itself?

 
I have him now, and I've had him before. I love his talent, but several coaches have felt differently than me, and they all appear to know something I don't. I firmly believe that he could be very productive if given the chance, assuming an injury to Best. However, past instances lead me to believe this would either be short lived, or in some kind of committee. His upside is high enough for me to keep him rostered, and in a PPR might even be flex-startable if given 2/3 of the touches in that offense.

 
I've mentioned him on numerous threads. A waiver wire player who people will be rushing to pickup the first two weeks of the season. He will see carries even if Best is healthy. If Best is hurt, he is a 1000 plus yard back.

 
This question presents itself every year. Here's how I think about the problem of picking high-upside backups.

I agree that Harrison is a capable back sitting behind a clear 3down starter. However, I've learned that you can't predict injuries and that "Injury Prone" is a myth (lingering health issues aside). I'm sure this will stir a debate but we can take that discussion to another thread (I believe Football guys may have done an analysis on this topic last year).

I bring this up because this belief supports the argument that you shouldn't be drafting Harrison expecting that Best will get injured. So, you should be evaluating him on the merits of his play --which are admittedly substantial (and draft worthy if he was starting). Unfortunately there is no way to predict whether he will see much playing time and therefore, remains undraftable in my book at his current ADP. (Again I understand ADP is a contentious issue but it serves it's purpose for this argument).

To frame it another way -- are you willing to give precious roster space on a wing-an-a-prayer for this guy to a) see the field and b) produce at a high level? My time is better spent evaluating offensive systems to find breakout WRs who aren't dependent on injuries. Notwithstanding, I will be aggressive on the waiver bid if a quality backup does see starting time.

 
This question presents itself every year. Here's how I think about the problem of picking high-upside backups. I agree that Harrison is a capable back sitting behind a clear 3down starter. However, I've learned that you can't predict injuries and that "Injury Prone" is a myth (lingering health issues aside).
Disagree. This depends on the injury. Most are not necessarily recurrent, which is to say that most injuries do not predispose you to injuries in the future. However, Best's case is an exception. Concussions are recurrent and subsequent concussions are increasingly likely to occur.
 
I guess the corollary to this question is whether or not one believes in Best. Major concussion in college. Turf toe hell last season. Concussed this preseason. Plays home games on turf. Please excuse me for placing major doubt on this guy, but I do. Definitely more so than your typical starting RB on a good offense.

This just smells of a situation where Jerome could put up low-end flex PPG as the lower end of an RBBC (in PPR leagues particularly) with upside of spectacular production if Best falters or breaks down.

 
I guess the corollary to this question is whether or not one believes in Best. Major concussion in college. Turf toe hell last season. Concussed this preseason. Plays home games on turf. Please excuse me for placing major doubt on this guy, but I do. Definitely more so than your typical starting RB on a good offense.This just smells of a situation where Jerome could put up low-end flex PPG as the lower end of an RBBC (in PPR leagues particularly) with upside of spectacular production if Best falters or breaks down.
Since when is Best in a RBBC? Has the Lions coach mentioned anything about this?
 
This question presents itself every year. Here's how I think about the problem of picking high-upside backups.

I agree that Harrison is a capable back sitting behind a clear 3down starter. However, I've learned that you can't predict injuries and that "Injury Prone" is a myth (lingering health issues aside).
Disagree. This depends on the injury. Most are not necessarily recurrent, which is to say that most injuries do not predispose you to injuries in the future. However, Best's case is an exception. Concussions are recurrent and subsequent concussions are increasingly likely to occur.
I have heard otherwise....will provide link when I have more time
 
I guess the corollary to this question is whether or not one believes in Best. Major concussion in college. Turf toe hell last season. Concussed this preseason. Plays home games on turf. Please excuse me for placing major doubt on this guy, but I do. Definitely more so than your typical starting RB on a good offense.This just smells of a situation where Jerome could put up low-end flex PPG as the lower end of an RBBC (in PPR leagues particularly) with upside of spectacular production if Best falters or breaks down.
The Lions drafted LeShoure in the second for a reason. The coaching staff does not even believe Best is a reliable workhorse or very effeective in short yardage situations. This obviously was considered a high-priority need and the Lions. If I were ranking running backs on potential to be hurt, Best would be a clear cut #1. Harrison is a proven workhorse carrying the ball in three straight games more than 30 times.
 
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The problem is no one knows who would take over if Best went down.

The lions have three backup RBs: Harrison, Morris and Brown.

Morris has a cast on right now, but composed himself well last year when Best went down.

Brown has done OK this preseason, and was the guy who started when Best missed the last preseason game due to concussion.

Harrison hasn't shown himself to be better than Brown this preseason, but is a fantasy hopeful because he ran a lot and well a couple years ago for another team (Cleveland) that dropped him.

I can see why fantasy football players would hold on to the Harrison dream, but in the real world he's just not a clear backup - I think Hunter is a clearer backup for Gore, and even that is uncertain enough to forestall me from handcuffing Hunter, let alone rostering him if I didn't own Gore.

 
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Since when is Best in a RBBC? Has the Lions coach mentioned anything about this?
No I can't say that I've heard the coaches say that, but I thought it was a safe assumption that at least for the first couple of games, Best's recent concussion would cause the Lions to limit his touches, meaning a bigger workload for Harrison.I guess this is the opportunity I'm referring to. The Lions need Harrison to step up to at least serve as a help to Best. Can he do even more than that and secure a bigger role with the added looks and touches?If it's say a 60/40 or 65/35 ratio between their combined touches, can Harrison's play command more over time? I'm wondering if the answer is yes even without another Best injury.
 
I guess the corollary to this question is whether or not one believes in Best. Major concussion in college. Turf toe hell last season. Concussed this preseason. Plays home games on turf. Please excuse me for placing major doubt on this guy, but I do. Definitely more so than your typical starting RB on a good offense.This just smells of a situation where Jerome could put up low-end flex PPG as the lower end of an RBBC (in PPR leagues particularly) with upside of spectacular production if Best falters or breaks down.
Since when is Best in a RBBC? Has the Lions coach mentioned anything about this?
When Leshoure was in the picture, the coaching staff talked about having a 1-2 punch, using Leshoure in short yardage and grind it out situations. Obviously, plans are now more fuzzy. I really don't think the coaching staff knows how things will play out. IMHO, the coaching staff does not see Best as a workhorse and will use other backs to lighten the load.
 
The problem is no one knows who would take over if Best went down.The lions have three backup RBs: Harrison, Morris and Brown.Morris has a cast on right now, but composed himself well last year when Best went down.Brown has done OK this preseason, and was the guy who started when Best missed the last preseason game due to concussion.Harrison hasn't shown himself to be better than Brown this preseason, but is a fantasy hopeful because he ran a lot and well a couple years ago for another team (Cleveland) that dropped him.I can see why fantasy football players would hold on to the Harrison dream, but in the real world he's just not a clear backup - I think Hunter is a clearer backup for Gore, and even that is uncertain enough to forestall me from handcuffing Hunter, let alone rostering him if I didn't own Gore.
I assumed Harrison was much closer to being a Best replacement than these two. I've seen nothing from Morris or Brown to impress me in the past, but it could very well be that I'm giving Harrison way to much credit based on some very inconsistent prior success. I've just always liked his game. Small, but runs hard, has excellent burst and can catch really well providing a multi-purpose threat.
 
I have picked up Harrison in a few leagues over the last week with the same reasoning. Preseason concussions are never good news for a RB. Did I hear right that preseason game 3, the Lions played Aaron Brown ahead of Harrison?

 
The problem is no one knows who would take over if Best went down.The lions have three backup RBs: Harrison, Morris and Brown.Morris has a cast on right now, but composed himself well last year when Best went down.Brown has done OK this preseason, and was the guy who started when Best missed the last preseason game due to concussion.Harrison hasn't shown himself to be better than Brown this preseason, but is a fantasy hopeful because he ran a lot and well a couple years ago for another team (Cleveland) that dropped him.I can see why fantasy football players would hold on to the Harrison dream, but in the real world he's just not a clear backup - I think Hunter is a clearer backup for Gore, and even that is uncertain enough to forestall me from handcuffing Hunter, let alone rostering him if I didn't own Gore.
I assumed Harrison was much closer to being a Best replacement than these two. I've seen nothing from Morris or Brown to impress me in the past, but it could very well be that I'm giving Harrison way to much credit based on some very inconsistent prior success. I've just always liked his game. Small, but runs hard, has excellent burst and can catch really well providing a multi-purpose threat.
Harrison and Brown performed about the same in the 3rd preseason game, but Brown started with Best out (Brown: 9-30-0/4-48-1; Harrison: 8-24-0/3-51-0). I'm not sure how you could say Brown didn't flash talent like Harrison did.Last year, Morris did fairly well when Best got injured IMHO - averaging 4.1 YPC and 5 TDs over 7 games with the increased work.I can understand why you believe in Harrison. I just think this is a lottery ticket with a lower chance of payoff than Rashad Jennings, for example. I own Best in one league where I have Jacobs/M. Bush/McGahee on my bench. Am I really going to drop McGahee, who's a lock for GL carries, at least, for Best's uncertain Harrison handcuff?
 
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Did I hear right that preseason game 3, the Lions played Aaron Brown ahead of Harrison?
Brown played the first series, Harrison played the second and third series. They rotated much of the game. Brown has some edge in terms of knowing the system, but hasn't ever displayed talent like Harrison has.
 
Am I really going to drop McGahee, who's a lock for GL carries, at least, for Best's uncertain Harrison handcuff?
Depends on how much you believe in the Lions, Harrison and Best. And the guy you'd be dropping (in this case McGahee). But I don't want to get into comparing Harrison to RBs on other teams. Let's leave this discussion to how he compares to other Lions RBs, the guys he actually has to beat out.
 
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It would be nice to know Harrison is going to get the bulk of the carries if Best goes down. Starting Brown in that last preseason game really throws a wrench in the upside. Maybe the plan, as it stands right now, is to give all the work to Best and see how he handles it. If he goes down, they immediately go to the rotation of 1 series Brown and 2 series Harrison???

Will probably know more after tomorrows games.

 
I also still have Jerome Harrison for $5 in the FBG subscriber contest, but if Brown starts ahead of Harrison in game 4 he is certainly going to have worse odds of a payoff.

 
The problem is no one knows who would take over if Best went down.The lions have three backup RBs: Harrison, Morris and Brown.Morris has a cast on right now, but composed himself well last year when Best went down.Brown has done OK this preseason, and was the guy who started when Best missed the last preseason game due to concussion.Harrison hasn't shown himself to be better than Brown this preseason, but is a fantasy hopeful because he ran a lot and well a couple years ago for another team (Cleveland) that dropped him.I can see why fantasy football players would hold on to the Harrison dream, but in the real world he's just not a clear backup - I think Hunter is a clearer backup for Gore, and even that is uncertain enough to forestall me from handcuffing Hunter, let alone rostering him if I didn't own Gore.
:goodposting: Sums up my take as a Best owner.
 
It would be nice to know Harrison is going to get the bulk of the carries if Best goes down. Starting Brown in that last preseason game really throws a wrench in the upside. Maybe the plan, as it stands right now, is to give all the work to Best and see how he handles it. If he goes down, they immediately go to the rotation of 1 series Brown and 2 series Harrison???Will probably know more after tomorrows games.
And Morris, who is still listed on the official site as the 2nd RB, did well as the starter last year when Best went down, is a career 4.0+ rusher, and is coming back in days after breaking his hand.Why are you guys discounting him? What am I missing? I can get on board with Harrison > Brown (even though it's only Brown's 3rd year in the NFL and he hasn't had a shot, yet) but why ignore Morris? Is it just that Harrison would have the most fantasy upside if he beat Best, Morris, AND Brown?ETA: I guess it could matter that the Lions "discounted" Morris and Brown when they went out and got Leshoure in the 2nd round...Anyway, sorry for posting so much on the topic, obviously it's something I'm interested in.
 
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these guys don't even have him making the team (but then again Felton is already cut):

Aug. 28, 2011 6:18 p.m. - by John Kreger - Getting to 53 - Lions roster prediction: RBsIn: (5) Jahvid Best, Maurice Morris, Aaron Brown, Stefan Logan, Jerome Felton (FB). Out: Jerome Harrison, Ian Johnson, Mike Bell, Matt Clapp (FB). Analysis: Mikel Leshoure’s season-ending injury means the speedy Brown now seems assured of a roster spot alongside Best and Morris. KR Logan will move to RB, opening up a spot for an extra receiver, and Felton should beat out Harrison and Bell for the final spot. Had Bell or Harrison performed well in preseason games, Felton might’ve been cut. Neither back showed an ability to gain the power rushing yards Detroit needs, so Felton’s superior pass protection ability wins him a job. Lions RapidReports
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/DET?paginate=25
 
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It would be nice to know Harrison is going to get the bulk of the carries if Best goes down. Starting Brown in that last preseason game really throws a wrench in the upside. Maybe the plan, as it stands right now, is to give all the work to Best and see how he handles it. If he goes down, they immediately go to the rotation of 1 series Brown and 2 series Harrison???Will probably know more after tomorrows games.
And Morris, who is still listed on the official site as the 2nd RB, did well as the starter last year when Best went down, is a career 4.0+ rusher, and is coming back in days after breaking his hand.Why are you guys discounting him? What am I missing? I can get on board with Harrison > Brown (even though it's only Brown's 3rd year in the NFL and he hasn't had a shot, yet) but why ignore Morris? Is it just that Harrison would have the most fantasy upside if he beat Best, Morris, AND Brown?ETA: I guess it could matter that the Lions "discounted" Morris and Brown when they went out and got Leshoure in the 2nd round...Anyway, sorry for posting so much on the topic, obviously it's something I'm interested in.
Don't be sorry. Discussion like this has led to fantasy championships in the past. That's a stretch, but you know what I mean.In regards to Morris, his career averages aren't bad. I guess he's never passed the eye test for me, where as I've been a fan of Harrison since his days at Wash St, where he was a little bowling ball and put up gaudy numbers. Then he puts up a near 300 yard day as a pro. It was only one day against a crappy D, but still.All that happened a while ago, so my perception may be way off here in assuming he's more talented than MoMo Brown. Varying opinions and insight welcome.
 
Aug. 28, 2011 6:18 p.m. - by John Kreger - Getting to 53 - Lions roster prediction: RBs

In: (5) Jahvid Best, Maurice Morris, Aaron Brown, Stefan Logan, Jerome Felton (FB). Out: Jerome Harrison, Ian Johnson, Mike Bell, Matt Clapp (FB). Analysis: Mikel Leshoure’s season-ending injury means the speedy Brown now seems assured of a roster spot alongside Best and Morris. KR Logan will move to RB, opening up a spot for an extra receiver, and Felton should beat out Harrison and Bell for the final spot. Had Bell or Harrison performed well in preseason games, Felton might’ve been cut. Neither back showed an ability to gain the power rushing yards Detroit needs, so Felton’s superior pass protection ability wins him a job. Lions RapidReports
Now this is what I wanted out of this thread. Thank you for this post.
 
Aug. 28, 2011 6:18 p.m. - by John Kreger - Getting to 53 - Lions roster prediction: RBs

In: (5) Jahvid Best, Maurice Morris, Aaron Brown, Stefan Logan, Jerome Felton (FB). Out: Jerome Harrison, Ian Johnson, Mike Bell, Matt Clapp (FB). Analysis: Mikel Leshoure’s season-ending injury means the speedy Brown now seems assured of a roster spot alongside Best and Morris. KR Logan will move to RB, opening up a spot for an extra receiver, and Felton should beat out Harrison and Bell for the final spot. Had Bell or Harrison performed well in preseason games, Felton might’ve been cut. Neither back showed an ability to gain the power rushing yards Detroit needs, so Felton’s superior pass protection ability wins him a job. Lions RapidReports
Now this is what I wanted out of this thread. Thank you for this post.
Might be wise to take the report with a grain of salt, as Felton was cut.
 
This question presents itself every year. Here's how I think about the problem of picking high-upside backups.

I agree that Harrison is a capable back sitting behind a clear 3down starter. However, I've learned that you can't predict injuries and that "Injury Prone" is a myth (lingering health issues aside).
Disagree. This depends on the injury. Most are not necessarily recurrent, which is to say that most injuries do not predispose you to injuries in the future. However, Best's case is an exception. Concussions are recurrent and subsequent concussions are increasingly likely to occur.
I have heard otherwise....will provide link when I have more time
Relative risk of a concussion in a patient with prior concussion = 5.8 times greater likelihood of a concussion compared to patient with no previous concussion.Depending on your journal article, you will find numbers ranging from 3-6 times more likely.

American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation 82(9):653-659 (2003)

 
Harrison has been outstanding when given a shot. I see nothing inconsistant about his performance. In his nine career starts he has averaged over 100 yards per game breaking the century mark 5 times and nearly missing with 99 yards also. The Lions want a home run hitter and Harrison is the only one behind Best that gives them that.

 
Harrison can also catch the ball. He seems somewhat comparable to Best. I think he's a solid ppr rb2 if he starts. I think people are over thinking this one. He's been great when given the chance, so I don't see why this time would be any different.

 
From FBG's email with free game recaps from preseason week three:

Although Jerome Harrison is Detroits more physical runner, he was not able to show this and had more production in the passing game. Harrison is a nice compliment to Jahvid Best and should be their option to convert third downs or score on the goal line. He is a small back that is tough to locate and bring down quickly. Harrison had a huge play on a well blocked screen pass. Stafford set it up well and Harrison enjoyed up to 4 blockers in front of him as he scurried down the field for 50+ yards. Harrison found little room up the middle in the running game but has definitely secured a role in this offense.
 
Hes been overlooked since 2009, not saying he even has a remote chance of beating out Best, just saying he is a talent of his own that was never respected in Cleveland.

 
Jerome Harrison went for 13% of Sim $ on Blind Bid Waivers. 5 of 12 Teams placed bids for him.

I guess him & Antonio Brown (7 teams at 25%) are the 2 popular WW adds.

I had an open roster spot (18 limit). Targeted Kendal Hunter, Jeromi Harrison & Antonio Brown.... got Hunter (and I don't have Gore).

He has been under appreciated.

 
This question presents itself every year. Here's how I think about the problem of picking high-upside backups.

I agree that Harrison is a capable back sitting behind a clear 3down starter. However, I've learned that you can't predict injuries and that "Injury Prone" is a myth (lingering health issues aside).
Disagree. This depends on the injury. Most are not necessarily recurrent, which is to say that most injuries do not predispose you to injuries in the future. However, Best's case is an exception. Concussions are recurrent and subsequent concussions are increasingly likely to occur.
I have heard otherwise....will provide link when I have more time
Relative risk of a concussion in a patient with prior concussion = 5.8 times greater likelihood of a concussion compared to patient with no previous concussion.Depending on your journal article, you will find numbers ranging from 3-6 times more likely.

American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation 82(9):653-659 (2003)
I had also heard otherwise but Goodoldalky's source is compelling and Google hasn't given me any published studied contradicting ED Zemper's conclusions (despite his obvious defect of being a Michigan Man). Zemper's full conclusion,"The data presented here from a large prospective cohort study, utilizing a sub-population of individuals involved in an activity with high extrinsic risk for concussion (football players), indicate there is an increased intrinsic risk of a second concussion among those with history of concussion during the previous five years. These individuals are 5.8 times more likely to suffer a new concussion than those with no history of concussion."

I'll have to think more about what this statistic means. Thanks again for the source Goodoldalky.

 
In the 2 games with Philly last year that he had 10+ touches (19.0 avg touches), he averaged 120 total yards and scored once. He had runs of 50 and 36 yards in those games. For his career, he has 10 games with 10+ touches. 197 carries for 1062 yards and 6 TDs with 31 receptions for 232 yards and 2 more scores. I'm not sure why he's not the most highly ranked handcuff back in the league, considering Best's long and luxurious training room accolades and the quality of offense he'd step into if given the chance. Even if it was a RBBC with Brown, he'd be a Flex/RB3 type you can get in round 12+.

 
I agree with others that people are seriously overthinking this.

The guy has produced almost every time he's been given an opportunity to play in the regular season and say what you want but I do NOT trust Best to stay healthy. And when he has been able to stay on the field, Best has not proven to be an effective NFL runner. Harrison has in his limited chances.

I would not be surprised at all if Harrison ends up being the starter with Best becoming the 3rd down/passing situation RB. In fact, I think it's more likely than not and I'm a bit mad that I missed out on Harrison in my 14 teamer the other night. I will be targeting him for a couple bucks in my upcoming auction,

 
Got Best late in the 4th rd.... handcuffed w/ Harrison in the 14th

Drafted Arian at #4 overall... handcuffed w/ Tate in the 10th.

Feeling pretty good w/ those picks. If you're going to bother handcuffing Best, you have to go with Harrison and his potential.

This kind of insurance can win you the championship. Do not overlook Harrison and ignore the crappy yahoo projections.

 
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OK, with the reception last week and the run just now, I'm convinced at least until Morris makes it back on the field (Harrison looks superior to Brown and a valuable fantasy asset, but Morris is still out there). When Morris comes back, have to reevaluate, but it's enough for me to get Harrison as a handcuff for Best early on. Thanks for the thread.

 
Harrison just juked a Bill out of his shorts. Brown looked better last week. This week it is Harrison.

 
I'm starting to think that Harrison might represent the best value as a handcuff than any other backup RB available. Detroit's plan coming into the season was to use both Best and LeShoure in a tandem backfield.

LeShoure tears his achilles and we all of a sudden assume that Best will be a full-time back?

Best is one of the smallest runners in the league and has a propensity for the injury bug. If Detroit is smart they will use Harrison in the role initially intended for LeShoure. Harrison has done nothing but perform above expectations when saddled with starter's carries the last two seasons. He is above average as a receiving back and should have more success at the goal-line than Best would otherwise.

Now, if an injury besets Best, I really believe Harrison can and will assume the full-time role and thrive. He is better suited for a featured RB gig than Best is. What makes Best so dangerous is his breakaway ability, ala CJ and Charles, but unlike those guys he will struggle to stay on the field and out of the training room. It's very possible that Harrison will do to Best what was done to him by Hillis last season in Cleveland.

I'm such a believer that Harrison will at some point be the featured runner in Detroit this season that I am rostering him as a handcuff as a non-Best owner over Hunter and Hardesty (whereas I own both Gore and Hillis).

 
Harrison is the best sleeper out there. Best does have a better burst and is a better home run threat, but Harrison is also a home run hitter but a tougher runner. I think Harrison is the better every down back. I was thrilled when the Lions picked him up.

 
Got Best late in the 4th rd.... handcuffed w/ Harrison in the 14thDrafted Arian at #4 overall... handcuffed w/ Tate in the 10th.Feeling pretty good w/ those picks. If you're going to bother handcuffing Best, you have to go with Harrison and his potential.This kind of insurance can win you the championship. Do not overlook Harrison and ignore the crappy yahoo projections.
Doesn't that give you serious bye week issues? Or do you roster 6 RBs?
 
Harrison breaks a big run vs 3rd and 4th stringers and everyone is now on his #### lol. He is Best's backup. 70/30 split, nothing more nothing less.

 
Harrison breaks a big run vs 3rd and 4th stringers and everyone is now on his #### lol. He is Best's backup. 70/30 split, nothing more nothing less.
If you project out the 9 games Harrison has started in his career over a season, he would have about 1700 yards rushing. The preseason stuff just shows he still got it. Yeah, Best is the starter right now, but we are talking about a guy you can pick up in the 14th who runs behind a china doll and who has proven he can consistently put up 100 yards rushing a game as a starter.
 

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