Jets trying to trade up to #2 (1 Viewer)

[foxco]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

at #2?

 

[NoFBinLA]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

at #2?

I think that was a joke there - cause the Jets routinely miss the mark - historically - you know passing on Marino and such.

 

[Chase Stuart]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

at #2?

I think that was a joke there - cause the Jets routinely miss the mark - historically - you know passing on Marino and such.

The Jets passed on Tom Brady, too.

 

[NoFBinLA]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

at #2?

I think that was a joke there - cause the Jets routinely miss the mark - historically - you know passing on Marino and such.

The Jets passed on Tom Brady, too.

In fairness to my boys - everyone did for quite some time. Who knew?

 

[Chase Stuart]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

at #2?

I think that was a joke there - cause the Jets routinely miss the mark - historically - you know passing on Marino and such.

The Jets passed on Tom Brady, too.

In fairness to my boys - everyone did for quite some time. Who knew?

Pretty much everyone passed on Marino, too.

 

[CalBear]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.If they're really targeting McFadden, it seems silly for them to move up to get ahead of the Raiders, who have no intention of taking McFadden.

Depends on whose smokescreen you believe. I know what Kiffin said. I know some people think they won't - but we also keep reading they really like him. By 'they' I mean 'Al' of course.I don't disagree, but they may not want to risk it -- tho I STILL say they should hang back and see what drops.

Every single move the Raiders have made in the off-season, and every single thing they've said, indicates that they have no interest in McFadden. The only argument which seems to indicate that they might go for McFadden is that "Al likes athletes." Well, Al apparently doesn't like RB athletes too much, because he hasn't taken one higher than the third round since 1995 (Nap Kaufman). Before that you have to go back to 1982, Marcus Allen. And that's it, that's the sum total of RBs that Davis has taken in the first round in his long NFL career. For comparison, he's taken two kickers in the first round over that same time frame. Nine of his last 10 first-round picks have been on defense (Jamarcus being the exception). It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. For that matter, fantasy players are overvaluing McFadden relative to how NFL teams evaluate players; NFL teams don't tend to care much about RBs.

 

[CalBear]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

at #2?

I think that was a joke there - cause the Jets routinely miss the mark - historically - you know passing on Marino and such.

The Jets passed on Tom Brady, too.

The Jets took three TEs in the first round in a 10-year period. And then traded another first-rounder for another TE. But you knew that.

 

[NoFBinLA]

It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. For that matter, fantasy players are overvaluing McFadden relative to how NFL teams evaluate players; NFL teams don't tend to care much about RBs.

1) I have seen tons of non-Fantasy mocks that with McFadden going to Oakland so enough with that fiction.BUT2) You are totally right that fantasy players overvalue McFadden.HOWEVER3) It's not that they don't care - it's that the draft is thick with RBs.Listen, it's completely plausible that the Raiders go another way. The first part of your post is full of great points. But you can't then go and dismiss McFadden going to them based on 'it's a fantasy thing' - cause it really isn't just the fantasy community that have said this.

 

[sheerterror]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

at #2?

I think that was a joke there - cause the Jets routinely miss the mark - historically - you know passing on Marino and such.

The Jets passed on Tom Brady, too.

The Jets took three TEs in the first round in a 10-year period. And then traded another first-rounder for another TE. But you knew that.

They traded their first that year for Doug Jolley and Oakland's early second (I believe they moved down about 15 spots). Big difference.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Gotta be Ryan.

 

[Chase Stuart]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

at #2?

I think that was a joke there - cause the Jets routinely miss the mark - historically - you know passing on Marino and such.

The Jets passed on Tom Brady, too.

The Jets took three TEs in the first round in a 10-year period. And then traded another first-rounder for another TE. But you knew that.

Except the Jets didn't trade a first round pick just for a TE. But you already knew that, too.

 

[Cookiemonster]

You could say that acquiring Kris Jenkins is a "win now" move too. Giving Jenkins $20 million guaranteed might preclude the Jets from going after Dorsey, unless they project him as a 3-4 DE. Personally, I think Dorsey is better suited for a 4-3 DT role.

Are the Jets going to a 2-gap front like the Steelers, or a 1-gap responsiblity 3-4? I think Dorsey would be a stud 3-4 DE if it was a single-gap type defense.

 

[massraider]

It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. For that matter, fantasy players are overvaluing McFadden relative to how NFL teams evaluate players; NFL teams don't tend to care much about RBs.

1) I have seen tons of non-Fantasy mocks that with McFadden going to Oakland so enough with that fiction.BUT

2) You are totally right that fantasy players overvalue McFadden.

HOWEVER

3) It's not that they don't care - it's that the draft is thick with RBs.

Listen, it's completely plausible that the Raiders go another way. The first part of your post is full of great points. But you can't then go and dismiss McFadden going to them based on 'it's a fantasy thing' - cause it really isn't just the fantasy community that have said this.

A good read from the best Raiders beat writer:http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/04...-isnt-the-pick/

by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

Al Davis has a reputation of wanting the best available athlete. Give him the biggest, the fastest, the most explosive talent and he is happy, regardless of whether the position is settled.

It is said he won’t be able to bypass Darren McFadden for that reason. He simply won’t be able to resist putting an instant touchdown into an already crowded backfield, joining Justin Fargas, Michael Bush and Dominic Rhodes.

While there is some truth to Davis’ criteria in terms of talent, he is not all that mysterious.

Take place kicker Sebastian Janikowski, for instance.

True, Janikowski was a long-distance marvel and a spectacular talent, but the bottom line is the Raiders desperately needed a kicker. Michael Husted’s troubles had cost the Raiders a chance at a 10-win season the previous year, and Jano was thought to be the final piece of the puzzle.

How about Michael Huff in 2006?

A smallish playmaker for a strong safety, but a safety is exactly what the Raiders needed. Despite the presence of USC quarterback Matt Leinart still on the board, Davis went with Huff. He already had Andrew Walter on the roster, a quarterback who was thought to be the future of the franchise.

When it turned out Walter perhaps wasn’t the franchise after all, JaMarcus Russell was the choice at No. 1 the following season despite the presence of Calvin Johnson. Johnson was only the most remarkable size-speed combination in the history of the draft at his position.

Robert Gallery’s selection in 2004 came at the expense of Roy Williams, a receiver Davis absolutely loved and thought was superior to Larry Fitzgerald, who went higher to Arizona. Gallery was a practical solution to a Raiders line which needed someone to install at left tackle for a decade.

Needs weren’t as clearly defined when the Raiders were winning three straight division titles, and with the Raiders drafting late, it was more of a “best athlete” scenario.

Considering the roster the Raiders already have, and the decisions to re-sign Fargas and coax Dominic Rhodes to take less money to remain on the roster, I don’t see Oakland taking McFadden on Saturday.

There is also the presence of Michael Bush, who hasn’t played in two years but who is seen as a potential difference maker. Or at least that’s the company line. If McFadden is the pick, it means the real thoughts on Bush are that he is too slow and not the long-term answer.

The Raiders were sixth in the NFL in rushing and gave up 100-yard games to 10 different backs. The practical thing to do is work on the defense, not add another back.

I’ll admit I’ve talked to some people who really know Davis who think McFadden will be irresistable. But the bottom line is I think Davis is more practical than you think.

Holding the key to McFadden could have as much value as McFadden himself. The Raiders will use the No. 4 pick to get additional picks or take a defensive player who can make a difference.

 

[NoFBinLA]

It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. For that matter, fantasy players are overvaluing McFadden relative to how NFL teams evaluate players; NFL teams don't tend to care much about RBs.

1) I have seen tons of non-Fantasy mocks that with McFadden going to Oakland so enough with that fiction.BUT

2) You are totally right that fantasy players overvalue McFadden.

HOWEVER

3) It's not that they don't care - it's that the draft is thick with RBs.

Listen, it's completely plausible that the Raiders go another way. The first part of your post is full of great points. But you can't then go and dismiss McFadden going to them based on 'it's a fantasy thing' - cause it really isn't just the fantasy community that have said this.

A good read from the best Raiders beat writer:http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/04...-isnt-the-pick/

Again, all good points. And again, I'm not saying they HAVE to pick McFadden.I AM saying dismissing the idea that the Raiders might pick McFadden as 'It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. as CalBear did is inaccurate and untrue. Both ESPN guys (McShay and Kiper) have had him go there at some point. So have just about all the NFL.Com guys. And a bunch of non-fantasy mock drafters. All at some point with McFadden going o the Raiders.

To dismiss it like that is ridiculous. Just like dismissing the column you just posted as 'just a blogger' which it is not.

That's all I'm saying.

I lean towards them not taking him - but the Jets might not see it that way.

 

[massraider]

It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. For that matter, fantasy players are overvaluing McFadden relative to how NFL teams evaluate players; NFL teams don't tend to care much about RBs.

1) I have seen tons of non-Fantasy mocks that with McFadden going to Oakland so enough with that fiction.BUT

2) You are totally right that fantasy players overvalue McFadden.

HOWEVER

3) It's not that they don't care - it's that the draft is thick with RBs.

Listen, it's completely plausible that the Raiders go another way. The first part of your post is full of great points. But you can't then go and dismiss McFadden going to them based on 'it's a fantasy thing' - cause it really isn't just the fantasy community that have said this.

A good read from the best Raiders beat writer:http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/04...-isnt-the-pick/

Again, all good points. And again, I'm not saying they HAVE to pick McFadden.I AM saying dismissing the idea that the Raiders might pick McFadden as 'It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. as CalBear did is inaccurate and untrue. Both ESPN guys (McShay and Kiper) have had him go there at some point. So have just about all the NFL.Com guys. And a bunch of non-fantasy mock drafters. All at some point with McFadden going o the Raiders.

To dismiss it like that is ridiculous. Just like dismissing the column you just posted as 'just a blogger' which it is not.

That's all I'm saying.

I lean towards them not taking him - but the Jets might not see it that way.

And I'm not jumping on you.I happen to agree with Cal, that the Raiders aren't interested in DMC. I think Gholston fits Al's "profile" more than any other player in this draft.

If Long and Dorsey are gone, I'd prefer they auction off the pick, for someone looking for Ryan or DMC.

 

[NoFBinLA]

And I'm not jumping on you.I happen to agree with Cal, that the Raiders aren't interested in DMC. I think Gholston fits Al's "profile" more than any other player in this draft.If Long and Dorsey are gone, I'd prefer they auction off the pick, for someone looking for Ryan or DMC.

Oh I didn't think you were jumping on me - I guess just continuing an argument that I suppose is already dead.I sometimes like to but we won't get into my off the field activities.... LOLI most strongly agree with your last point - same with the Jets - sit, see what comes to you then trade back if it's a high-value player (a shiny one) like McF and Ryan. I think the Raiders would be best served if they could do that - and frankly they need Defensive help far more than offensive right now.

 

[Buckna]

There's plenty of legit top talent to fill out the first 7 picks. The J-E-T-S should just sit tight and see who falls to them at the 6 hole.

 

[Toomuchnv]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.If they're really targeting McFadden, it seems silly for them to move up to get ahead of the Raiders, who have no intention of taking McFadden.

Depends on whose smokescreen you believe. I know what Kiffin said. I know some people think they won't - but we also keep reading they really like him. By 'they' I mean 'Al' of course.I don't disagree, but they may not want to risk it -- tho I STILL say they should hang back and see what drops.

Every single move the Raiders have made in the off-season, and every single thing they've said, indicates that they have no interest in McFadden. The only argument which seems to indicate that they might go for McFadden is that "Al likes athletes." Well, Al apparently doesn't like RB athletes too much, because he hasn't taken one higher than the third round since 1995 (Nap Kaufman). Before that you have to go back to 1982, Marcus Allen. And that's it, that's the sum total of RBs that Davis has taken in the first round in his long NFL career. For comparison, he's taken two kickers in the first round over that same time frame. Nine of his last 10 first-round picks have been on defense (Jamarcus being the exception). It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. For that matter, fantasy players are overvaluing McFadden relative to how NFL teams evaluate players; NFL teams don't tend to care much about RBs.

In all fairness to the "Raiders don't take RB's in the first round" argument, the same thing was said going into last year except with the QB position. I remember plenty people saying they wouldn't take JRuss because Al doesn't take QB's in the first round. We all know what happened next...

 

[FF_Guru]

Matt Ryan

Sounds like everyone is saying Atlanta will go with either Long or Dorsey, depending on what the Rams do.If that's the case, you don't need to move to 2 to get Ryan. Besides, Ryan is a stretch at 3 for Atlanta. He's a 10-20 position player.I would think they would move down if they wanted him.I'm guessing they (Jets) are going for Chris Long.

No way could they move down to draft Matt Ryan. There are just too many teams that have questionable QB's in those top picks that Atlanta could risk trading down. You have Balt and KC who would both be watering at the mouth to get Matt Ryan. Also keep in mind KC just picked up a bunch of draft picks in Allen trade, so moving up couple slots in front of Atlanta's trade down is quite possible. If Atlanta really wants Ryan, they have to take him at 3.

 

[Sweet Love]

I was driving to hockey around 8pm EST and Gil Brandt was on and said the Rams have had a lot of suitors for that second pick, but are sticking to their guns and he even strongly eluded to the fact that he KNEW who the Rams were going to take and his co-host backed off and said he would not put him in a position to tell the audience who that pick was. From the sound of it, that pick is staying with the Rams. The Jets have an early 2nd, but no thinrd (Jenkins trade), so if they do move up, I would not be surpised to see Robertson packaged in the deal to a 4-3 team (possibly KC?...although that would be a lot to give to just move up one spot).

 

[massraider]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

If they're really targeting McFadden, it seems silly for them to move up to get ahead of the Raiders, who have no intention of taking McFadden.

Depends on whose smokescreen you believe. I know what Kiffin said. I know some people think they won't - but we also keep reading they really like him. By 'they' I mean 'Al' of course.I don't disagree, but they may not want to risk it -- tho I STILL say they should hang back and see what drops.

Every single move the Raiders have made in the off-season, and every single thing they've said, indicates that they have no interest in McFadden. The only argument which seems to indicate that they might go for McFadden is that "Al likes athletes." Well, Al apparently doesn't like RB athletes too much, because he hasn't taken one higher than the third round since 1995 (Nap Kaufman). Before that you have to go back to 1982, Marcus Allen. And that's it, that's the sum total of RBs that Davis has taken in the first round in his long NFL career. For comparison, he's taken two kickers in the first round over that same time frame. Nine of his last 10 first-round picks have been on defense (Jamarcus being the exception). It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. For that matter, fantasy players are overvaluing McFadden relative to how NFL teams evaluate players; NFL teams don't tend to care much about RBs.

In all fairness to the "Raiders don't take RB's in the first round" argument, the same thing was said going into last year except with the QB position. I remember plenty people saying they wouldn't take JRuss because Al doesn't take QB's in the first round. We all know what happened next...

Yeah, but they were wrong. Al has coveted QBs, and has drafted them, traded for them, and chased them around. Those people didn't know the team, they regurgitated whatever they read online. They were told Davis would never, ever want to develop a rookie QB. So they spit that back out. Misinformed opinions don't become more right by people repeating them.Calvin Johnson last year was as flashy a pick as could be, and Davis went with the QB that had to be developed.

Really, look at the Raiders draft history. You know what jumps out? Defensive back and defensive line.

 

[massraider]

I was driving to hockey around 8pm EST and Gil Brandt was on and said the Rams have had a lot of suitors for that second pick, but are sticking to their guns and he even strongly eluded to the fact that he KNEW who the Rams were going to take and his co-host backed off and said he would not put him in a position to tell the audience who that pick was. From the sound of it, that pick is staying with the Rams. The Jets have an early 2nd, but no thinrd (Jenkins trade), so if they do move up, I would not be surpised to see Robertson packaged in the deal to a 4-3 team (possibly KC?...although that would be a lot to give to just move up one spot).

Why the heck wouldn't the co-host get him to spill the beans? "Put him in the position"????Was Gil in danger of getting whacked if he ratted out the Rams?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Raiders 1st round picks, last 20 drafts. 8 DBs, 5 DL, 3 OL, 2 LB, 2 QB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB, 1 PK.

Charles Woodson DB

Michael Huff DB

Terry McDaniel DB

Patrick Bates DB

Phillip Buchanon DB

Fabien Washington DB

Derrick Gibson DB

Nnamdi Asomugha DB

Anthony Smith DE

Tyler Brayton DE

Darrell Russell DT

Chester McGlockton DT

Scott Davis DT

Matt Stinchcomb G

Mo Collins G

Sebastian Janikowski K

Rob Fredrickson LB

Napoleon Harris LB

JaMarcus Russell QB

Todd Marinovich QB

Napoleon Kaufman RB

Robert Gallery T

Rickey Dudley TE

Tim Brown WR

 

[Sweet Love]

I was driving to hockey around 8pm EST and Gil Brandt was on and said the Rams have had a lot of suitors for that second pick, but are sticking to their guns and he even strongly eluded to the fact that he KNEW who the Rams were going to take and his co-host backed off and said he would not put him in a position to tell the audience who that pick was. From the sound of it, that pick is staying with the Rams. The Jets have an early 2nd, but no thinrd (Jenkins trade), so if they do move up, I would not be surpised to see Robertson packaged in the deal to a 4-3 team (possibly KC?...although that would be a lot to give to just move up one spot).

Why the heck wouldn't the co-host get him to spill the beans? "Put him in the position"????Was Gil in danger of getting whacked if he ratted out the Rams?

I thought it was a little odd, but Gil did say he was not at liberty to say, but there was NO ribbing or even a "come on..." from the co-host. They treat old man river with kid gloves around there and he does get a lot of inside info, so I think they were staisfied that he could verify (possibly...lol) that he knows the Rams will not trade that pick. Gil did back peddle a tiny bit and said something like "they are looking at two guys and either would be a fine additions", but I got the gist he knows (or feels he does know) exactly who they plan on taking with that pick.

 

[Smizzy]

I'd love to see them take Gholston, have him live up to expectation, and knock Tom Brady's block off repeatedly.I'm not wishing injury on anyone. But I don't think a sprained smug look counts.

Can I get an A-Men!!!

 

[Reaper]

I was driving to hockey around 8pm EST and Gil Brandt was on and said the Rams have had a lot of suitors for that second pick, but are sticking to their guns and he even strongly eluded to the fact that he KNEW who the Rams were going to take and his co-host backed off and said he would not put him in a position to tell the audience who that pick was. From the sound of it, that pick is staying with the Rams. The Jets have an early 2nd, but no thinrd (Jenkins trade), so if they do move up, I would not be surpised to see Robertson packaged in the deal to a 4-3 team (possibly KC?...although that would be a lot to give to just move up one spot).

Jets are facing releasing Drob - So, Anything they can get at this point.

 

[Toomuchnv]

History would indicate that they're targeting a tight end.

If they're really targeting McFadden, it seems silly for them to move up to get ahead of the Raiders, who have no intention of taking McFadden.

Depends on whose smokescreen you believe. I know what Kiffin said. I know some people think they won't - but we also keep reading they really like him. By 'they' I mean 'Al' of course.I don't disagree, but they may not want to risk it -- tho I STILL say they should hang back and see what drops.

Every single move the Raiders have made in the off-season, and every single thing they've said, indicates that they have no interest in McFadden. The only argument which seems to indicate that they might go for McFadden is that "Al likes athletes." Well, Al apparently doesn't like RB athletes too much, because he hasn't taken one higher than the third round since 1995 (Nap Kaufman). Before that you have to go back to 1982, Marcus Allen. And that's it, that's the sum total of RBs that Davis has taken in the first round in his long NFL career. For comparison, he's taken two kickers in the first round over that same time frame. Nine of his last 10 first-round picks have been on defense (Jamarcus being the exception). It's only fantasy players who have the Raiders taking a RB. For that matter, fantasy players are overvaluing McFadden relative to how NFL teams evaluate players; NFL teams don't tend to care much about RBs.

In all fairness to the "Raiders don't take RB's in the first round" argument, the same thing was said going into last year except with the QB position. I remember plenty people saying they wouldn't take JRuss because Al doesn't take QB's in the first round. We all know what happened next...

Yeah, but they were wrong. Al has coveted QBs, and has drafted them, traded for them, and chased them around. Those people didn't know the team, they regurgitated whatever they read online. They were told Davis would never, ever want to develop a rookie QB. So they spit that back out. Misinformed opinions don't become more right by people repeating them.Calvin Johnson last year was as flashy a pick as could be, and Davis went with the QB that had to be developed.

Really, look at the Raiders draft history. You know what jumps out? Defensive back and defensive line.

Well, for the 2nd year in a row you can take the Raiders "draft history" and throw it out the window...