Jim Zorn to be named Skins HC (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

What Matt Hasselbeck had to say about Zorn

What Shawn Springs had to say about Zorn

 

[redman]

Here's another take by Clark Judge, with liberal quotes to a "Redskins insider with knowledge of the interview process" (probably Karl Swanson):

Give 'Skins a chance; maybe they know what they're doing Clark Judge Feb. 10, 2008By Clark JudgeCBSSports.com Senior Writer Now that we've sifted through the debris of Washington's head-coaching hire, maybe, just maybe, we should give the Redskins a chance. In promoting Jim Zorn they broke from their recent history -- and considering that history it might not be such a bad thing.This isn't Marty Schottenheimer or Steve Spurrier or Joe Gibbs, but tell me what they did for owner Daniel Snyder and all the millions he paid them. I'm waiting.This isn't even Jim Fassel or Steve Mariucci or Gregg Williams. This is a guy who never was a head coach or a coordinator and who is known best as the quarterback who put Steve Largent in the Hall of Fame.So what are his qualifications as a head coach? I wish I knew. All I could tell you is he threw a tight spiral.But those close to the Redskins said Zorn was the most prepared of the candidates who spent the past month interviewing and that he made an immediate impression once he joined the staff in late January as offensive coordinator.He must have made an impression with Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, the team's vice president of football operations, because they asked him to interview for the head-coaching position immediately after Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo bowed out last week.Spagnuolo was supposed to be the hot candidate, but the Redskins weren't convinced enough to offer him a job. So they returned to the finalists they had, weren't satisfied with the auditions and asked Zorn to get in line.Two days later he had the job.That's the CliffsNotes version of what happened, but it tells you something about his interview: He was so persuasive in his meetings with Snyder and Cerrato that they moved off frontrunner Jim Fassel -- a coach who took the New York Giants to the Super Bowl -- and turned to a relative unknown."It was all about the comfort level," said an insider close to the talks. "It just seemed like a good fit. Dan liked him, and Vinny liked him. They must have talked to him for eight to 12 hours -- going to 2 in the morning on Thursday night -- and they were impressed with how prepared he was. Both thought this was someone who had been waiting for this moment for years."Zorn had been waiting all right, but as a quarterbacks coach in Seattle, where he spent the past seven years. That's important to note because another quarterbacks coach for Mike Holmgren was chosen as a head coach 10 years ago, with critics concerned he wasn't the right fit for an organization they thought deserved more.Tell that to the Philadelphia Eagles now. Andy Reid put the Eagles in the conference championship game four straight seasons, made it to Super Bowl XXXIX and won his division five of the past seven years.Reid was a reach then, just as Zorn is a reach now. But it's refreshing to find the Washington Redskins taking the chance. Their history is to spend gazillions on marquee names, only to be disappointed when the season is over.But now they're on the hook for an estimated $15 million (including bonuses), which is positively Lilliputian by comparison to the payouts to Schottenheimer, Spurrier and Gibbs.But, remember, Jim Zorn is not any of these guys, and that may not be all that bad. In the seven years of those three big-name coaches, Washington had only two winning seasons -- both under Gibbs.Zorn is someone we know almost nothing about, and the last time I remember Washington taking a flyer like this was when then-general manager Bobby Beathard found Joe Gibbs in 1981. I'm not saying Zorn is the second coming of Joe Gibbs, but I am saying it makes you wonder why it can't work."The thing I can't help reiterating," said the source close to the team, "is how much everyone responded to Jim. He had an effect on people within the building that others did not. In effect, his time spent here (as an offensive coordinator) became an interview process in itself. People liked him."Nobody liked him more than Snyder, and there's a change. He wasn't in love with Zorn's record because he doesn't have one. He wasn't persuaded by his Q rating because he doesn't have one. And he didn't tilt in his direction because of his Super Bowl victories because he doesn't have any of them, either.Nope, Snyder seems to have coveted Zorn because he liked him, liked what he had to say and liked the direction he mapped out for Snyder's franchise -- and all I can is that it's about time.With Zorn's background he should be able to help young quarterback Jason Campbell, who showed signs last season of becoming the offensive leader Washington desperately needs. OK, so it was veteran Todd Collins who put the Redskins in the playoffs, but Campbell is the team's future, and he must have a teacher with Zorn's experience to make that future worth remembering."When he worked with Charlie Batch (1998-00 in Detroit)," the source said of Zorn, "I think his quarterback rating was the fourth highest for a rookie in NFL history. That was mentioned. So was his work at the University of Minnesota (1995-96), where Vinny liked the job he did. (Matt) Hasselbeck had nothing but great things to say about the guy, so he could have an impact on the quarterback."The question, of course, is what impact will he have on the team?"Nobody knows," said the source.That's something we're not used to saying about the Washington Redskins. They seldom take risks like this, opting instead for the sure thing. Except the sure thing produced unexpected results.So why not try something different? Washington just did, and maybe the Redskins finally got it right.

If this is accurate as to how impressed they were with his first two weeks on the job as coordinator, such that they were unexpectedly compelled to interview him, then I'm encouraged. It wouldn't be the first time that someone who was not really on the radar screen stepped in and seized an opportunity. That's what happened with Pete Carroll at USC. There's certainly no guarantee with the result, and we have know way of knowing whether this was spin or whether it happened as reported here, but I'd point out that they certainly didn't have to hire Zorn with Fassel, Mooch and Meeks as "safe" alternatives waiting in the wings and by all accounts willing to take the job.

 

[hauser42]

I like the hire of Zorn, he will bring some fresh stuff to the table and will not be a retread hire like so many coaches are.

Cooley will be fine at TE in the new offense like so many WCO TEs have been for years.

 

[GoBirds]

Lets be honest, there is not much to be excited about going from Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders to Zoro and Co.

Another offense for Campbell to learn, yikes!

 

[Enforcer]

Yeah, but Enforcer "watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan," so Enforcer is obviously in a better position to know.

I honestly don't know much about Zorn or Dilfer. I was just hoping a 'Hawks fan knew something I didn't. I don't see a reason why Dilfer would make up something that random and easily refutable by current Seahawk players and staff, but again, what do I know.

You guys need to take a deep breath. I'm saying Zorn is an unknown right now as I'm just trying to be objective. I can dig up quotes about every player and every coach in the league to back up their brilliance and ability. Really, are we going to be listing quotes of every good friend of Zorn seeking proof of his coming success? Can't we just look past the hyperbole, step back, and be patient while we wait and see what happens in the long run? I keep saying I hope he does well, but apparently I have to buy into hype and speculation or I'm simply a nay-sayer. As a Seahawks homer I can tell you Holmgren runs the show. He makes the calls. He takes the responsibility. He takes the blames when things go wrong. He gets the credit when things go well.

 

[Koya]

Zorn might be ok, maybe even better than that - but what an absolute disaster of an embarassment of a process.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm glad someone else brought up the Reid comparison; because it's what first came to mind when I saw the Zorn hiring. As an Eagles fan, it's hard not to notice the similarities. Neither guy had been a coordinator before getting a head coaching job, both coached Pro Bowl QBs running a WCO, and both mentored under Mike Holmgren.

All that said, there is one important distinction between the Reid & Zorn comparisons. Zorn was hired by the Redskins a few weeks ago as an offensive coordinator and then was subsequently bumped up to head coach. Reid was interviewed from jump street as the head coach; and according to reports at the time, was the dark horse candidate and earned the job against more experience candidates. Reid blew Lurie away with his preparedness, his plans for building a staff, etc...

In Zorn's case, here is a guy who was perfectly willing to be a coordinator this year. In other words, he had no compunctions about the idea that he may need another season or two of coaching seasoning.

I still say it's somewhat fodder to dissect each coaching hire and dismiss it out of hand. I would hope we've learned our lessons in recent years. Gibbs' return was only a modest success; while Mike McCarthy was considered an iffy hire after his first season; yet led his team to a 13-3 record and a long-term extension in year 2. Sean Payton had his play-calling duties pulled by TWO NFL teams as an OC, but turned in a remarkably successful first year in New Orleans. You just never know.

 

[thayman]

For Cowboy fans crowing about this being the ruination of the Redskins, and about the virtues of the Dallas retread head coach, you should be a bit worried about your own head coach being able to reverse the beautiful slide your team went into at the end of last year. Turnover on the Redskins does nothing to reverse Dallas's slide. Maybe Coach Wade's dynamic personality can do that.

every time I despair about Snyder's ownership, I'm comforted by the fact that the Cowgirls have JJ

at the redskin fans talking about how bad an owner JJ is with his 3 rings. How many SB rings does wonder boy have?

How have the Cowboys done since the real "JJ" and the roster he built left?

No kidding. Cowboys fans have no room to talk with their 6 straight playoff losses.

JJ = 3 ringsSnyder = 0 rings

Personally I don't care about rings my favorite team won back in the 90's. Neither the Skins nor the Cowboys have anything to brag about, they both had the same record this post-season.

 

[redman]

Yeah, but Enforcer "watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan," so Enforcer is obviously in a better position to know.

I honestly don't know much about Zorn or Dilfer. I was just hoping a 'Hawks fan knew something I didn't. I don't see a reason why Dilfer would make up something that random and easily refutable by current Seahawk players and staff, but again, what do I know.

You guys need to take a deep breath. I'm saying Zorn is an unknown right now as I'm just trying to be objective. I can dig up quotes about every player and every coach in the league to back up their brilliance and ability. Really, are we going to be listing quotes of every good friend of Zorn seeking proof of his coming success? Can't we just look past the hyperbole, step back, and be patient while we wait and see what happens in the long run? I keep saying I hope he does well, but apparently I have to buy into hype and speculation or I'm simply a nay-sayer. As a Seahawks homer I can tell you Holmgren runs the show. He makes the calls. He takes the responsibility. He takes the blames when things go wrong. He gets the credit when things go well.

Now you're backpeddling. Calling his football aptitude "laughable" is not taking the neutral position you're now claiming. I neither love nor hate the hire, though as I said I tend to favor first time coaches because they're usually the guys with whom you hit home runs. We'll see whether Zorn is such a hire.

 

[JaxBill]

Maroon and black? [David Elfin]Jim Zorn might be the new head coach, but he has a little to learn about the Redskins.He referred to the team colors as maroon and black.And you should have seen Dan Snyder and Viny Cerrato blanche when Zorn raved about the Redskins starting the Buffalo game on Dec. 2 with 10 players on defense.That was the idea of Gregg Williams, who was fired as assistant head coach/defense. And Joe Gibbs, then the coach, didn't know about it, which became a major point of controversy after that loss to the Bills.

 

[Enforcer]

Yeah, but Enforcer "watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan," so Enforcer is obviously in a better position to know.

I honestly don't know much about Zorn or Dilfer. I was just hoping a 'Hawks fan knew something I didn't. I don't see a reason why Dilfer would make up something that random and easily refutable by current Seahawk players and staff, but again, what do I know.

You guys need to take a deep breath. I'm saying Zorn is an unknown right now as I'm just trying to be objective. I can dig up quotes about every player and every coach in the league to back up their brilliance and ability. Really, are we going to be listing quotes of every good friend of Zorn seeking proof of his coming success? Can't we just look past the hyperbole, step back, and be patient while we wait and see what happens in the long run? I keep saying I hope he does well, but apparently I have to buy into hype and speculation or I'm simply a nay-sayer. As a Seahawks homer I can tell you Holmgren runs the show. He makes the calls. He takes the responsibility. He takes the blames when things go wrong. He gets the credit when things go well.

Now you're backpeddling. Calling his football aptitude "laughable" is not taking the neutral position you're now claiming. I neither love nor hate the hire, though as I said I tend to favor first time coaches because they're usually the guys with whom you hit home runs. We'll see whether Zorn is such a hire.

Dude? Brilliance. The word was brilliance. Where did "aptitude" come into the picture? He hasn't shouldered any sort of sizable responsibility since he was the offensive coordinator for Utah State for three years back in the early to mid 90s. Yes, I think calling him a brilliant offensive mind is silly, hence laughable. Its as of yet unfounded.

 

[mad sweeney]

Yeah, but Enforcer "watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan," so Enforcer is obviously in a better position to know.

I honestly don't know much about Zorn or Dilfer. I was just hoping a 'Hawks fan knew something I didn't. I don't see a reason why Dilfer would make up something that random and easily refutable by current Seahawk players and staff, but again, what do I know.

You guys need to take a deep breath. I'm saying Zorn is an unknown right now as I'm just trying to be objective. I can dig up quotes about every player and every coach in the league to back up their brilliance and ability. Really, are we going to be listing quotes of every good friend of Zorn seeking proof of his coming success? Can't we just look past the hyperbole, step back, and be patient while we wait and see what happens in the long run? I keep saying I hope he does well, but apparently I have to buy into hype and speculation or I'm simply a nay-sayer. As a Seahawks homer I can tell you Holmgren runs the show. He makes the calls. He takes the responsibility. He takes the blames when things go wrong. He gets the credit when things go well.

Now you're backpeddling. Calling his football aptitude "laughable" is not taking the neutral position you're now claiming. I neither love nor hate the hire, though as I said I tend to favor first time coaches because they're usually the guys with whom you hit home runs. We'll see whether Zorn is such a hire.

There have been plenty of Holmgren guys that somehow managed to leave his tutelage with enough football savvy to lead their teams to success. I don't think being buried behind the Walrus on the decision making depth chart is all that much of a detriment to their ultimate knowledge of the game. And Zorn seems to be way more involved and innovative than Enforcer remembers from Zorn's playing days.

 

[mad sweeney]

Yeah, but Enforcer "watched Zorn's entire career as a Seahawk fan," so Enforcer is obviously in a better position to know.

I honestly don't know much about Zorn or Dilfer. I was just hoping a 'Hawks fan knew something I didn't. I don't see a reason why Dilfer would make up something that random and easily refutable by current Seahawk players and staff, but again, what do I know.

You guys need to take a deep breath. I'm saying Zorn is an unknown right now as I'm just trying to be objective. I can dig up quotes about every player and every coach in the league to back up their brilliance and ability. Really, are we going to be listing quotes of every good friend of Zorn seeking proof of his coming success? Can't we just look past the hyperbole, step back, and be patient while we wait and see what happens in the long run? I keep saying I hope he does well, but apparently I have to buy into hype and speculation or I'm simply a nay-sayer. As a Seahawks homer I can tell you Holmgren runs the show. He makes the calls. He takes the responsibility. He takes the blames when things go wrong. He gets the credit when things go well.

Now you're backpeddling. Calling his football aptitude "laughable" is not taking the neutral position you're now claiming. I neither love nor hate the hire, though as I said I tend to favor first time coaches because they're usually the guys with whom you hit home runs. We'll see whether Zorn is such a hire.

Dude? Brilliance. The word was brilliance. Where did "aptitude" come into the picture? He hasn't shouldered any sort of sizable responsibility since he was the offensive coordinator for Utah State for three years back in the early to mid 90s. Yes, I think calling him a brilliant offensive mind is silly, hence laughable. Its as of yet unfounded.

Dude, the phrase was "bright offensive mind". Not brilliance. You can argue there's some etymological connection between the two, but that's not the context in which it was used. You said that him being a bright offensive mind was laughable. Can't escape it.

 

[Enforcer]

Dude, the phrase was "bright offensive mind". Not brilliance. You can argue there's some etymological connection between the two, but that's not the context in which it was used. You said that him being a bright offensive mind was laughable. Can't escape it.

And I stand by that. I see it as an exaggeration. I said he's an unknown, and I stand by that. All this bickering is pointless. If it makes a fan feel better about the hire I understand that, but don't expect me to buy into it. Zorn will build a reputation in time. For now, no one knows.

 

[mad sweeney]

Dude, the phrase was "bright offensive mind". Not brilliance. You can argue there's some etymological connection between the two, but that's not the context in which it was used. You said that him being a bright offensive mind was laughable. Can't escape it.

And I stand by that. I see it as an exaggeration. I said he's an unknown, and I stand by that. All this bickering is pointless. If it makes a fan feel better about the hire I understand that, but don't expect me to buy into it. Zorn will build a reputation in time. For now, no one knows.

No, you said that calling Zorn a bright offensive mind was laughable. And then you said that you were saying that calling Zorn brilliant was laughable, even though nobody said he was brilliant. And I definitely doubt that calling Zorn a bright offensive mind is an exaggeration. If he wasn't offensively bright he wouldn't have been on Holmgren;s staff, wouldn't have been even interviewed much less hired as anyone's OC. Regardelss of how much you want to backtrtack and try to change what you said, saying that it's laughable that Zorn is bright is not anywhere near an exaggeration and is just plain wrong. Sure, he's an unknown quantity as a head coach. But so were Reid, Gruden, Mooch, McCarthy, Sherman and company. As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to say that being how Holmgren is known for developing QBs and he's had Zorn on his staff for so long, the trust that Holgren has in Zorn proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zorn is a bright offensive mind. If he weren't then Holmgren wouldn't have had him in charge of training his big project in Hasselbeck.

 

[dallas428]

Dude, the phrase was "bright offensive mind". Not brilliance. You can argue there's some etymological connection between the two, but that's not the context in which it was used. You said that him being a bright offensive mind was laughable. Can't escape it.

And I stand by that. I see it as an exaggeration. I said he's an unknown, and I stand by that. All this bickering is pointless. If it makes a fan feel better about the hire I understand that, but don't expect me to buy into it. Zorn will build a reputation in time. For now, no one knows.

will he have the time needed to implement his offense and ideas on the team...smart money says...not a chance...im sure redskin fans dont want to hear this but i doubt gibbs would have lasted four years if he well, wasnt joe gibbs...my user name says all you need to know about who i like and i dont think our situation is all that great either...the skin fans have nothing but hope left and thats why they pull out anything positive they can find off the net about zorn and i guess i cant blame them...in all reality though...zorn is here for a year or two at most....the guy is 54 i believe and nobody has ever looked at him as highly as the brain trust of snyder and cerrato and that tells me all i need to know about the guy...anyway...good luck with zorn this year and maybe next skin fans...im more curious of the next hire more then i am about zorns success in this league.

 

[redman]

Dude, the phrase was "bright offensive mind". Not brilliance. You can argue there's some etymological connection between the two, but that's not the context in which it was used. You said that him being a bright offensive mind was laughable. Can't escape it.

And I stand by that. I see it as an exaggeration. I said he's an unknown, and I stand by that. All this bickering is pointless. If it makes a fan feel better about the hire I understand that, but don't expect me to buy into it. Zorn will build a reputation in time. For now, no one knows.

will he have the time needed to implement his offense and ideas on the team...smart money says...not a chance...im sure redskin fans dont want to hear this but i doubt gibbs would have lasted four years if he well, wasnt joe gibbs...my user name says all you need to know about who i like and i dont think our situation is all that great either...the skin fans have nothing but hope left and thats why they pull out anything positive they can find off the net about zorn and i guess i cant blame them...in all reality though...zorn is here for a year or two at most....the guy is 54 i believe and nobody has ever looked at him as highly as the brain trust of snyder and cerrato and that tells me all i need to know about the guy...anyway...good luck with zorn this year and maybe next skin fans...im more curious of the next hire more then i am about zorns success in this league.

I won't tell you you're wrong because if he's a disaster then two years would be lucky for him as a tenure. However, I don't sense that this team is going to be impatient with him overall and looking for a reason to fire him. He was given a five-year contract for a reason; I think the default setting for a guy like him is three years, and they'll of course keep him beyond that if it's working out. Things have changed since Norv Turner was in Washington.

 

[Enforcer]

Dude, the phrase was "bright offensive mind". Not brilliance. You can argue there's some etymological connection between the two, but that's not the context in which it was used. You said that him being a bright offensive mind was laughable. Can't escape it.

And I stand by that. I see it as an exaggeration. I said he's an unknown, and I stand by that. All this bickering is pointless. If it makes a fan feel better about the hire I understand that, but don't expect me to buy into it. Zorn will build a reputation in time. For now, no one knows.

No, you said that calling Zorn a bright offensive mind was laughable. And then you said that you were saying that calling Zorn brilliant was laughable, even though nobody said he was brilliant.

You're correct there. I used the wrong word.

And I definitely doubt that calling Zorn a bright offensive mind is an exaggeration. If he wasn't offensively bright he wouldn't have been on Holmgren;s staff, wouldn't have been even interviewed much less hired as anyone's OC. Regardelss of how much you want to backtrtack and try to change what you said, saying that it's laughable that Zorn is bright is not anywhere near an exaggeration and is just plain wrong. Sure, he's an unknown quantity as a head coach. But so were Reid, Gruden, Mooch, McCarthy, Sherman and company. As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to say that being how Holmgren is known for developing QBs and he's had Zorn on his staff for so long, the trust that Holgren has in Zorn proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zorn is a bright offensive mind. If he weren't then Holmgren wouldn't have had him in charge of training his big project in Hasselbeck.

I can't say it enough. Time will tell, or will it? The more I think about it, I think he's being set up for failure. Its not exactly an ideal situation for a first year head coach (but what is?). I have a friend thats the first assistant for a division 2 basketball team. He constantly tells me, "Its more about the Jills and the Joes than it is the Xs and Os." I don't have much faith in Campbell. They have a solid defense and running game which will help, but is it enough?

 

[dallas428]

my take is snyder and ceratto are cartoonish...kinda the batman and robin of the nfl...cerrato has been locked in the snyder bat cave for the last four years and from the looks of him he has been banging halle berry cause he's got a smile on his face the joker would be proud of...i mean have you guys been watching this guy...he is giddy...ive lived in northern virginia for 38 years and the best ones for football for me in this area was the end of the 1st gibbs tenure till the beginning of his second...the fans try and give you reason after reason on why they will be good...i didnt buy it then and im not buying it now...you havent seen a peep of ceratto the last four years but ....hes baccckkkk....dananananananana....and he pretty much hand picked zorn for snyder...the feel good movie is over and it didnt have a really happy ending...now back to our regular scheduled cartoon...ive got a front row seat and my popcorn is ready...giddy-up...BAM***SMACK***POW***KURPLUNK

 

[Brutis]

my take is snyder and ceratto are cartoonish...kinda the batman and robin of the nfl...cerrato has been locked in the snyder bat cave for the last four years and from the looks of him he has been banging halle berry cause he's got a smile on his face the joker would be proud of...i mean have you guys been watching this guy...he is giddy...ive lived in northern virginia for 38 years and the best ones for football for me in this area was the end of the 1st gibbs tenure till the beginning of his second...the fans try and give you reason after reason on why they will be good...i didnt buy it then and im not buying it now...you havent seen a peep of ceratto the last four years but ....hes baccckkkk....dananananananana....and he pretty much hand picked zorn for snyder...the feel good movie is over and it didnt have a really happy ending...now back to our regular scheduled cartoon...ive got a front row seat and my popcorn is ready...giddy-up...BAM***SMACK***POW***KURPLUNK

lol

 

[Gr00vus]

Man, sure are a lot of experts on the coaching capabilities of Jim Zorn round here. I feel so dumb, because I don't have a clue how he's going to do.

He's an unknown at this point.

If only he could get Efrin Herrera back so they could run those crazy fake field goals again.I really enjoyed watching the Seahawks back when Zorn was the QB, so I'll be rooting for him to do well for the Skins.

 

[Poppa]

Man, sure are a lot of experts on the coaching capabilities of Jim Zorn round here. I feel so dumb, because I don't have a clue how he's going to do.

He's an unknown at this point.

If only he could get Efrin Herrera back so they could run those crazy fake field goals again.I really enjoyed watching the Seahawks back when Zorn was the QB, so I'll be rooting for him to do well for the Skins.

The 'skins should wish for Patera-like success!

 

[Kleck]

for Zorn. He and Largent made the Patera era tolerable when I was a young fan. First room decorations that I got to choose when I was a kid was all Seahawks stuff in the late 70s. Bedspread, curtains, and pajamas. The whole bit. I probably still have a pic of me sporting my #10 pjs.

This post probably needs a soundtrack. Ahhh Memories....

 

[Poppa]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/20...504972109_x.htm

Old #47 rejoins Zorn - in Washington as Offensive Coordinator. Very cool!

 

[WhoDat]

for Zorn. He and Largent made the Patera era tolerable when I was a young fan. First room decorations that I got to choose when I was a kid was all Seahawks stuff in the late 70s. Bedspread, curtains, and pajamas. The whole bit. I probably still have a pic of me sporting my #10 pjs.

This post probably needs a soundtrack. Ahhh Memories....

I still have my original Sports Illustrated Jim Zorn poster. Of course, it is now framed along with about 20 others but the Zorn and Largent posters were always two of my favorites.