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CaptainHook
Footballguy
these estimates seem insanely high to me unless youre talking about his ceiling.50/700/5 seems about right to me
scott72
Footballguy
Agreed. Plus Chicago's OL is very bad. I'm not sure how long Cutler will last playing against a solid front 7 like Green Bay's or Minnesota's. Clay Matthews may put him out of commission next Monday.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
and for a guy thats supposedly a great deep threat he sure didnt show that last season.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
Personally I think Knox is a great buy low candidate right now. He hasn't had that big breakout game yet, but with how much the Bears throw the ball he is due to have on any week now. He might struggle with consistency week to week because of how much the Bears spread it around, but he has good upside for a WR3/4.
Well he is certainly the guy to own there and worth a start every week until Cutler gets injured (which always happens in the Mike martz pass offense). The question I am asking myself is if Hester is also worth a roster spot now that the kid with the weird name has been relegated to 4th string. With him in the picture there just didn't seem like enough balls to go around making Hester odd man out week 1. Then the demotion comes and Hester has a decent game. On the one hand Hester really isn't a good receiver but on the other, he sure has the speed to beat people deep.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Knox is currently the 34th WR (points per game average) in my league that starts 36 WR's so he's already a viable starter and I can't see him ever being lower than he is now. However I can't see him getting into the top 12. If everything went perfectly I can see his ceiling being 14th or so, but in reality I am expecting him to finish around 20th or 25th WR.
Part of the reason the Bears' passing game appears to be working is that they can hit whoever has the choice matchup. Cutler seems to be able to find the open man rather than locking onto a single guy. I would image every 3rd or 4th game Knox will put up great numbers, while the remaining games are average. This system that gives him a high floor is also the reason he has a low ceiling.
With any luck he may throw in a return TD or two as well. Of course this all depends on Cutler staying upright and getting some protection.
Part of the reason the Bears' passing game appears to be working is that they can hit whoever has the choice matchup. Cutler seems to be able to find the open man rather than locking onto a single guy. I would image every 3rd or 4th game Knox will put up great numbers, while the remaining games are average. This system that gives him a high floor is also the reason he has a low ceiling.
With any luck he may throw in a return TD or two as well. Of course this all depends on Cutler staying upright and getting some protection.
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footballsavvy
Footballguy
Who would you rather have right now, Knox or Garcon?
i'm starting Knox over Garcon this week.
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Is that so? Glad you wish injuries upon other players. GB needs to get pressure outside of Mathews, teams will just double, run plays away from him, etc.
Seems pretty clear Cutler doesn't play favorites. Probably be another guys turn next week. Of all the Bears receiving options there isn't one that particularly stands head and shoulders above the rest, and that makes all their values squishy. That being said, Knox has the most upside of all the WRs, I just dont think the consistency is there as an everyweek fantasy starter this season.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Knox is a timebomb waiting to go off. Remember, he's just a 2nd-year WR from a small school. This is also a new & intricate offense.
Knox is the most talented WR on that team by a mile...& he's only going to get better. He's a great buy in dynasty leagues. Tremendous upside.
Knox is the most talented WR on that team by a mile...& he's only going to get better. He's a great buy in dynasty leagues. Tremendous upside.
Hester is still being somewhat over-looked. I don't have a true dog in the fight as I own both in different leagues, but that Hester grab in the EZ was sick.
For now, both WR's are nothing more then decent flex plays until one of them takes the reins...which might never happen.
For now, both WR's are nothing more then decent flex plays until one of them takes the reins...which might never happen.
Knox is a rising talent and could have top-10 upside. He reminds me more than a little bit of a young Santana Moss, and Moss never had a QB like Cutler.
scott72
Footballguy
Good luck doubling him. We run the 3-4. Our DL is very good at sucking up those double teams freeing up Matthews. Go ahead and run away from him. He's fast enough to pursue. He didn't accumulate 6 sacks already because the QB ran right at him.
SomeGuyNamedDavid
Footballguy
So is anyone still high on Knox? In my ppr league he is killing me. 12 receptions through 4 games?
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
On permabench in my dynasty. Might put him on the block. May drop him. Just dropped him in a 10 team ppr..
Nope. If you drafted him in a PPR league fairly high he's getting pretty close to bust range. Targets are just not there. 7 for a high this season. He's just a deep option. Unless they start using him in a lot of shorter routes he's not going to improve much. He'll eventually get a few TD's but the catches are not going up unless they change the way they are using him.
SomeGuyNamedDavid
Footballguy
Considering dropping someone on the news that Seattle is still interested in VJax. Between Knox, Nicks, Murphy, and Amendola. Yeah, my WRs are my weak spot.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
If he had gotten 1-2 TD's so far I'd be much happier. One (1) (!) red zone target the whole year, in 4 games so far? Am I reading this right?
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Bears homer and never was high on him. He has good hands, above average WR speed and is about 5'9". He is Santana Moss light. Not startable in my opinion.
zadok
Footballguy
He has exceptional speed and is a good 3 inches taller than Moss...
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Utter Chaos
Footballguy
I'm starting him with confidence this week. (I know you don't care but my other receivers are A.Johnson (ankle), Louis Murphy (shoulder) and Steve Smith (ankle)).
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
He's still the most targeted WR for CHI.Knox - 19Hester - 17Bennett - 16Aromashodu - 10I think it points to a team problem more than a Knox problem. But he's on my short list for cuts as bye weeks come up.19 targets is on par with Jordan Shipley and Joshua Cribbs so far this season.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I had him in a 10 teamer and he has never really been a consideration for the starting line up with Welker, Colston, Hicks and now Santonio Holmes off of suspension. I probably should have kept him but dropped him for Tate this morning as a "swing for the fences" move, plus a little Welker insurance I guess.
I really liked Knox coming into the season, but I think Chicago is regressing. That o-line was about as bad Sunday as any I've ever seen.
I really liked Knox coming into the season, but I think Chicago is regressing. That o-line was about as bad Sunday as any I've ever seen.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I moved him in a deal that got me Fitz
Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
I keep wheeling him out in my distance TD league. Probably do it again if Cutler is good to go.
He might be the most targeted WR but Olsen is the most targeted player on the team. Forte trails him by one, Hester by only two, and Bennet by 3 and that's without playing week one. Team problem or Knox problem does not matter but the Bears are simply spreading the ball around pretty close to evenly among 5 players. Also taking into consideration Knox is not a red zone threat and it bodes poorly for him. Only way I see things picking up for him is if the OL issues force them to leave Forte and Olsen in to block more.
az_prof
Footballguy
Considering how Bennett didn't get involved until a couple of weeks ago, he is being target at a very high rate. Interestingly, this is very similar to last season--with no one really standing out in terms of targets. It makes me think that the talent differential among these guys is pretty neglible. People WANT Hester or Knox or Aromashodu to be a stud, but they all look like good, but not great WRs to me. Hence, the target parity.
Resident A
Footballguy
If Knox could start scoring, he'd be a very solid WR3.
I'd avoid him in games vs teams with a strong pass rush though. Cutler will be on his back long before Knox comes out of breaks.
I'd avoid him in games vs teams with a strong pass rush though. Cutler will be on his back long before Knox comes out of breaks.
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