Jon Ogden to retire tomorrow (1 Viewer)

[The_Man]

Not unexpected, but still sad news in Baltimore that Jonathan Ogden is announcing his retirement tomorrow.

He was the original Raven -- taken with the #4 pick in the draft following the team's move from Cleveland. Ray Lewis was taken later in that same first round.

Art Modell really wanted to pick Lawrence Phillips to help sell tickets in his new city, but he deferred to Ozzie Newsome's judgment during Ozzie's first draft as a GM.

Ogden was really an incredible player. Fantastic in pass protection because he combined immense size with quickness and precision technique. But also a road grader who destroyed Defensive Ends in the run game. I think people underrate him a little bit because of his struggles with Dwight Freeny in games at Indy in recent years, but Freeny's success only underscores how much JO shut down every pass rusher in his prime. The Titans used to move Kearse to the other end of the line of scrimmage, just because they knew he could do nothing vs. Ogden.

I'm biased, but to me Ogden was the best Tackle in the game since Munoz.

Shaping up as quite a Hall of Fame class for 2013. Favre, Ogden, Strahan. Who else will be first ballot that year? Sapp?

 

[kevjones22]

Walter Jones?

 

[The_Man]

Jones and Pace are the two others that merit comparison to Ogden. I don't know much about O Line play and I'm a Ravens homer, so of course I'll say Ogden is the best of the 3. But I always thought JO and Jones were about equal in pass protection and that Ogden could cave in the right side of the opponent's D line more forcefully than Jones. He is a little bigger, and also Ogden spent his career playing smashmouth football in the AFC Central against Pittsburgh and (until realignment) Jacksonville and Tennessee. NFC West is a little softer level of physical competition.

Plus Ogden was even bigger than Jones. But they're both hall of fame guys.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Ogden was the man, one of the few Ravens that seemed like a good guy too. He always did a number on Joey Porter.

 

[cstu]

Who is replacing him?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Willie Roaf

 

[mozzy84]

wouldn't larry allen get in the hall before ogden? thats going to be a good class in 5 years either way.

 

[T Bell]

Ogden was a stud, who was as dominant at his position during his heyday as Jerry Rice or Walter Peyton were at theirs. And that's saying something in an era where defensive players have become bigger and more athletic than they used to be.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Willie Roaf

Jared Gaither is penciled in. He's a second year player, very raw, and as monstrous physically as Ogden.

 

[Brownsfan07]

HAh HAH ravens! your corny oline just got even worse!

and this is that same fat punk who nearly cost joe thomas a pro bowl spot?!

 

[Andy Herron]

And let's not forget Tony Boselli.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Brett Favre

Michael Strahan

Jonathon Ogden

Larry Allen

Quite a class that will go into the HoF...

 

[Tau837]

wouldn't larry allen get in the hall before ogden? thats going to be a good class in 5 years either way.

On Mike & Mike yesterday, they were trying to answer who would get snubbed from this group 2012, assuming none of them plays again:FavreSeauSappStrahanOgdenAllenThey talked to John Clayton, who has a HOF vote. Clayton did not really suggest an answer, but did say he feels Sapp and Strahan are both first ballot, with Sapp being more deserving than Strahan. Mike & Mike afterwards concluded that one of the two OL would end up having to wait. They didn't try to figure out which one. Both Ogden and Allen went to 11 Pro Bowls, but Allen was 1st team All Pro 6 times, Ogden "only" 4 times.As for other tackles, Pace was 1st team All Pro 3 times, as was Willie Anderson, and Walter Jones was 1st team All Pro 4 times and counting, including last year. Jones could end up surpassing Ogden.ETA: Beginning in 2008, 5 is the most that can be elected by voters in one year, with the veteran committee potentially adding up to 2 more.

 

[Andy Herron]

wouldn't larry allen get in the hall before ogden? thats going to be a good class in 5 years either way.

On Mike & Mike yesterday, they were trying to answer who would get snubbed from this group 2012, assuming none of them plays again:FavreSeauSappStrahanOgdenAllenThey talked to John Clayton, who has a HOF vote. Clayton did not really suggest an answer, but did say he feels Sapp and Strahan are both first ballot, with Sapp being more deserving than Strahan. Mike & Mike afterwards concluded that one of the two OL would end up having to wait. They didn't try to figure out which one. Both Ogden and Allen went to 11 Pro Bowls, but Allen was 1st team All Pro 6 times, Ogden "only" 4 times.As for other tackles, Pace was 1st team All Pro 3 times, as was Willie Anderson, and Walter Jones was 1st team All Pro 4 times and counting, including last year. Jones could end up surpassing Ogden.ETA: Beginning in 2008, 5 is the most that can be elected by voters in one year, with the veteran committee potentially adding up to 2 more.

Just to add that Larry Allen went to Pro Bowls as both a guard and a tackle.

 

[The_Man]

From Peter King's CNNSI column:

On the radio this morning, the hosts were talking about the possibility of Strahan, Brett Favre, Jonathan Ogden, Warren Sapp, Larry Allen and Junior Seau all being on the same Hall of Fame ballot in 2012. With the maximum number of non-veteran inductees reduced to five, which of these players doesn't make it on the first ballot?''

Depends on who the holdovers are from previous years. Other than the first year of the Hall of Fame -- when, obviously, all candidates were first-timers -- the maximum number of first-time eligible players who made it has been three. That has happened seven times; the last time was 2006, when Troy Aikman, Warren Moon and Reggie White went in on the first ballot. So I doubt five will make it in 2012.

If I had to guess right now, with the list you gave me (which presumes that Seau is a goner, and I'm not sure that's true), I would say, in order, I'd rank the six guys this way: Favre, Ogden, Seau, Strahan, Sapp, Allen. And I think all will get in eventually.

Interesting. I'd probably rank them: Favre, Ogden, Allen, Strahan, Seau, Sapp. The only reason Strahan is a first ballot guy is for setting the single season sack record. To me, Seau and Sapp feel more like second ballot guys.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I love to hate the Ravens, but Ogden, from what I've read, is a pretty decent dude...nothing but respect here.

Easily a 1st ballot HOF'er.

 

[Andy Herron]

I can't see Ogden going in before Allen. Not at all.

Allen would have to be ranked first there, hands down.

 

[T Bell]

I can't see Ogden going in before Allen. Not at all.Allen would have to be ranked first there, hands down.

Why? Both were great, but why was Larry Allen clearly better than a guy who spent his entire career 1:1 against the league's best pass rushers rather than at (mostly) LG?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I can't see Ogden going in before Allen. Not at all.

Allen would have to be ranked first there, hands down.

Lets make this a poehl. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=401747

 

[Andy Herron]

I can't see Ogden going in before Allen. Not at all.

Allen would have to be ranked first there, hands down.

Lets make this a poehl. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=401747

That's fine, but it will be the votes in 5 years that counts.

 

[T Bell]

I can't see Ogden going in before Allen. Not at all.

Allen would have to be ranked first there, hands down.

Lets make this a poehl. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=401747

That's fine, but it will be the votes in 5 years that counts.

Not insofar as you're making a normative statement about Allen deserving to go in first, which is how I read your third sentence (bolded above).

 

[RC94]

HAh HAH ravens! your corny oline just got even worse!and this is that same fat punk who nearly cost joe thomas a pro bowl spot?!

classy

 

[Uruk-Hai]

From Peter King's CNNSI column:

On the radio this morning, the hosts were talking about the possibility of Strahan, Brett Favre, Jonathan Ogden, Warren Sapp, Larry Allen and Junior Seau all being on the same Hall of Fame ballot in 2012. With the maximum number of non-veteran inductees reduced to five, which of these players doesn't make it on the first ballot?''

Depends on who the holdovers are from previous years. Other than the first year of the Hall of Fame -- when, obviously, all candidates were first-timers -- the maximum number of first-time eligible players who made it has been three. That has happened seven times; the last time was 2006, when Troy Aikman, Warren Moon and Reggie White went in on the first ballot. So I doubt five will make it in 2012.

If I had to guess right now, with the list you gave me (which presumes that Seau is a goner, and I'm not sure that's true), I would say, in order, I'd rank the six guys this way: Favre, Ogden, Seau, Strahan, Sapp, Allen. And I think all will get in eventually.

Interesting. I'd probably rank them: Favre, Ogden, Allen, Strahan, Seau, Sapp. The only reason Strahan is a first ballot guy is for setting the single season sack record. To me, Seau and Sapp feel more like second ballot guys.

Gun to my head, I think I'd rank them that way too. But, leaving Favre at #1, I think you could shuffle the other 5 & I wouldn't argue too much.I think Ogden's last couple of Pro Bowls were more on rep than actual play, but that happens a lot. Flip side is that his rep made some teams game plan against him later in his career than his actual play might warrant. He won't be missed on the field as much as some think this season; he hasn't really been "Jon Ogden" for a few years now.

That being said, he's an all-time great LT - more versitile than just about all of them as he was strong both in the passing & running game - and a respected teammate.

 

[North]

Willie Roaf

Jared Gaither is penciled in. He's a second year player, very raw, and as monstrous physically as Ogden.

Very raw! Yet someone who can be shaped into a great player. He has the size (tallest player in NFL) and speed to be a formidable fill in. He is young (Just turned 22) and very athletic. As a sophmore at UMD he was ranked #7 nationally among offensive tackles. I think he will fill in nicely and have a good career in the NFL.