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Jordon Dizon (1 Viewer)
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buck56
Footballguy
Gene and Aaron what do you think of this. Does this means Dizon gets a shot at being a 3 down LB or a reserve specializing in the nickel package.I have a rookie draft in 6 weeks and was going to cut bait before this news came out.
Thanks in advance for the reply.
bcr8f
Footballguy
How do you get to page 2? Do you have a link to the page?
I found it by slecting print this page-
Linebacker
What are the Lions’ plans for Jordon Dizon? Dizon, a second-round pick last year, had a hard time cracking the lineup for the coaching staff that was in place when he was drafted. Now, the 6-foot, 229-pounder has to impress a coaching staff that likes bigger players.
“The hardest thing with Jordon is probably going to be evaluating him before training camp, because we’re going to need to see him with pads on, because he is an undersized player,” Schwartz said. “We can’t make a judgment on running around in shorts particularly at a position like middle linebacker.”
Schwartz said Dizon would probably play outside in base and move inside in nickel situations. The same goes for Ernie Sims.
“The Tampa Two system, that wasn’t one of their tenets,” Schwartz said. “It was a little bit more rigid that way. Typically we want to get our best cover guys on the field on third down regardless of whether they play the mike, sam, will, left, right, whatever you put on them.”
Schwartz has talked about protecting Sims better and helping him become more productive. The Lions want to bulk up the defensive line to keep blockers off Sims and use their scheme to put Sims in position to make plays.
Like many of his teammates, Sims missed too many tackles last year.
“You go back to Florida State, his strength was showing up at the ball and finishing those plays,” Schwartz said. “He’s not a big guy, but making those big hits. We’ve got to get him back to that.”
I would draft Curry if I was Detroit.
I found it by slecting print this page-
Linebacker
What are the Lions’ plans for Jordon Dizon? Dizon, a second-round pick last year, had a hard time cracking the lineup for the coaching staff that was in place when he was drafted. Now, the 6-foot, 229-pounder has to impress a coaching staff that likes bigger players.
“The hardest thing with Jordon is probably going to be evaluating him before training camp, because we’re going to need to see him with pads on, because he is an undersized player,” Schwartz said. “We can’t make a judgment on running around in shorts particularly at a position like middle linebacker.”
Schwartz said Dizon would probably play outside in base and move inside in nickel situations. The same goes for Ernie Sims.
“The Tampa Two system, that wasn’t one of their tenets,” Schwartz said. “It was a little bit more rigid that way. Typically we want to get our best cover guys on the field on third down regardless of whether they play the mike, sam, will, left, right, whatever you put on them.”
Schwartz has talked about protecting Sims better and helping him become more productive. The Lions want to bulk up the defensive line to keep blockers off Sims and use their scheme to put Sims in position to make plays.
Like many of his teammates, Sims missed too many tackles last year.
“You go back to Florida State, his strength was showing up at the ball and finishing those plays,” Schwartz said. “He’s not a big guy, but making those big hits. We’ve got to get him back to that.”
I would draft Curry if I was Detroit.
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CaptainCrunch
Footballguy
If you follow the link I posted on the first page- scroll down and then either click on "2" or next page and will take you to the same portion of the article you printed out.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
There are a whole lot of things that have to fall in Dizon's favor for him to hold an every-down role in 2009.
***Dizon has to prove he can handle a base defensive role in a scheme that favors larger players.
In very limited time during the regular season and throughout the preseason, Dizon struggled to shed blockers. With Ernie Sims entrenched on the weak side, Dizon will have to improve drastically to hold down the strong side OLB or MLB positions satisfactorily.
***Dizon has to prove he can stay healthy.
On the surface, this may look like a minor issue. But in limited defensive duty and special teams action, Dizon was dinged multiple times last season. Even if he proves he can get off blocks and make tackles, his early track record of durability isn't reassuring.
***The Lions must decide to use Julian Peterson at end exclusively on passing downs.
It's very hard to see Dizon ahead of either Sims or Peterson for a nickel linebacker role. It's very possible that Peterson is used as a rush end on nickel downs, but Dizon will have to prove above-average in coverage to force himself into the subpackages.
***The Lions have to all but ignore the linebacker position during the draft.
Any draft pick spent on a linebacker in this draft in the early rounds of this draft should be seen as an indictment on what the new coaching staff thinks of Dizon's long term prospects. This draft is relatively deep in linebacker prospects and the Lions have the 1st, 20th, 33rd and 65th overall picks. Even if the Lions don't take Aaron Curry first overall, there'll be plenty of backer talent at the 20th and 33rd picks.
***Paris Lenon is still a free agent.
If the Lions surprise and don't address linebacker early, it's not difficult to see them bringing Lenon back to use in the middle over Dizon.
That's a lot to overcome.
The article mentions that the team would use him outside on base downs. That would imply that Julian Peterson would be an every-down defensive lineman, which the author makes no mention of whatsoever in the DL portion of the article. Or it would imply that Ernie Sims would be moving to the middle, again something that's very unlikely to happen.
I'd file this away as interesting to consider, but unlikely to happen without a major injury.
***Dizon has to prove he can handle a base defensive role in a scheme that favors larger players.
In very limited time during the regular season and throughout the preseason, Dizon struggled to shed blockers. With Ernie Sims entrenched on the weak side, Dizon will have to improve drastically to hold down the strong side OLB or MLB positions satisfactorily.
***Dizon has to prove he can stay healthy.
On the surface, this may look like a minor issue. But in limited defensive duty and special teams action, Dizon was dinged multiple times last season. Even if he proves he can get off blocks and make tackles, his early track record of durability isn't reassuring.
***The Lions must decide to use Julian Peterson at end exclusively on passing downs.
It's very hard to see Dizon ahead of either Sims or Peterson for a nickel linebacker role. It's very possible that Peterson is used as a rush end on nickel downs, but Dizon will have to prove above-average in coverage to force himself into the subpackages.
***The Lions have to all but ignore the linebacker position during the draft.
Any draft pick spent on a linebacker in this draft in the early rounds of this draft should be seen as an indictment on what the new coaching staff thinks of Dizon's long term prospects. This draft is relatively deep in linebacker prospects and the Lions have the 1st, 20th, 33rd and 65th overall picks. Even if the Lions don't take Aaron Curry first overall, there'll be plenty of backer talent at the 20th and 33rd picks.
***Paris Lenon is still a free agent.
If the Lions surprise and don't address linebacker early, it's not difficult to see them bringing Lenon back to use in the middle over Dizon.
That's a lot to overcome.
The article mentions that the team would use him outside on base downs. That would imply that Julian Peterson would be an every-down defensive lineman, which the author makes no mention of whatsoever in the DL portion of the article. Or it would imply that Ernie Sims would be moving to the middle, again something that's very unlikely to happen.
I'd file this away as interesting to consider, but unlikely to happen without a major injury.
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bcr8f
Footballguy
I didn't see anything even though I looked several times. Maybe it's my browser or I needed to register.I didn't have to actually print it, clicking print gave me the whole article.
Dizon was highly rated as a LB last year. Lofton, Rivers, Dizon and Mayo were the top 4 for almost everyone.
1 ILB Jerod Mayo, NE 3 2 1 2
2 ILB Curtis Lofton, ATL 1 1 2 1 7
3 OLB Keith Rivers, CIN 4 3 3 3 2
4 ILB Jordon Dizon, DET 2 4 4 4 8
Only Jeff Pasquino had him at 8(he had Adibi at 4). Anthony had him at 2 and everyone else had him at 4.
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CaptainCrunch
Footballguy
I agree with Jene's assessment- barring injury it does not seem likely that Dizon will make a fantasy impact. To me it would seem that Sims is a lock at the WILL, Peterson @ the SAM, leaving only the MIKE open and believe they will fill that need with their #20 pick in the first round with some decent LB depth in this years draft.
I guess the article gave me a slight glimmer of hope- but really seems to contradict the current state of things. I guess Schwartz wants to give the impression that Dizon has a shot at starting time, as it probably would not send the right message to the team (other players) if he came in and said Dizon can be a great backup/role player and hopefully he can make contributions on special teams-lol.
I guess the article gave me a slight glimmer of hope- but really seems to contradict the current state of things. I guess Schwartz wants to give the impression that Dizon has a shot at starting time, as it probably would not send the right message to the team (other players) if he came in and said Dizon can be a great backup/role player and hopefully he can make contributions on special teams-lol.
CaptainCrunch
Footballguy
Actually, outside of Dizon that is a pretty good ranking as Mayo, Lofton, and Rivers all look to be very solid fantasy LB plays for years to come. I would venture a guess and say that Dizon's ranking at 4 also had something to do with the situation he was falling into at the time- looking to supplant an underwhelming player like Lenon (MLB) who put up great stats coupled by the fact the Lions defense would be on the field moreso than 75% of the other NFL teams. As they say, hindsight is 20-20 and just like NFL player personnel you are going to miss out on a few. Unfortunately, it seemed like Marinelli was married to his veterans and was more concerned with keeping his job than developing young talent. Couple this with the fact that Dizon got hurt with neck stingers and hammy issues and his season was pretty much down the tubes. At any rate, I hope I Dizon can turn things around- but will be cautiously optimistic at best. If I have the room on my roster, I am willing to let him ride another year to see what develops.bcr8f said:I didn't see anything even though I looked several times. Maybe it's my browser or I needed to register.I didn't have to actually print it, clicking print gave me the whole article. Dizon was highly rated as a LB last year. Lofton, Rivers, Dizon and Mayo were the top 4 for almost everyone. 1 ILB Jerod Mayo, NE 3 2 1 2 2 ILB Curtis Lofton, ATL 1 1 2 1 7 3 OLB Keith Rivers, CIN 4 3 3 3 2 4 ILB Jordon Dizon, DET 2 4 4 4 8 Only Jeff Pasquino had him at 8(he had Adibi at 4). Anthony had him at 2 and everyone else had him at 4.CaptainCrunch said:
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I don't recall who mentioned it, but it was rumored that Dizon was only about 215-220 lbs at the end of the season. That is a big issue. He really is a lot smaller than I thought.
Dizon really has little if any chance to be a factor this season. He isn't going to start with Sims and Peterson in front of him. Long-term, I honestly don't see him being much of a factor in Detroit with the new regime wanting bigger LBs. But I will add that you never know what will happen once a player gets on the field. But I am not optimistic anymore. The only hope is they can't get a decent MLB in the draft, but I really can't see that happening.
Dizon really has little if any chance to be a factor this season. He isn't going to start with Sims and Peterson in front of him. Long-term, I honestly don't see him being much of a factor in Detroit with the new regime wanting bigger LBs. But I will add that you never know what will happen once a player gets on the field. But I am not optimistic anymore. The only hope is they can't get a decent MLB in the draft, but I really can't see that happening.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Oh yeah. I wasn't criticizing I was saying most people thought highly of him at the time. His weight and other issues didn't come out until later.Actually, outside of Dizon that is a pretty good ranking as Mayo, Lofton, and Rivers all look to be very solid fantasy LB plays for years to come. I would venture a guess and say that Dizon's ranking at 4 also had something to do with the situation he was falling into at the time- looking to supplant an underwhelming player like Lenon (MLB) who put up great stats coupled by the fact the Lions defense would be on the field moreso than 75% of the other NFL teams. As they say, hindsight is 20-20 and just like NFL player personnel you are going to miss out on a few. Unfortunately, it seemed like Marinelli was married to his veterans and was more concerned with keeping his job than developing young talent. Couple this with the fact that Dizon got hurt with neck stingers and hammy issues and his season was pretty much down the tubes. At any rate, I hope I Dizon can turn things around- but will be cautiously optimistic at best. If I have the room on my roster, I am willing to let him ride another year to see what develops.bcr8f said:I didn't see anything even though I looked several times. Maybe it's my browser or I needed to register.I didn't have to actually print it, clicking print gave me the whole article. Dizon was highly rated as a LB last year. Lofton, Rivers, Dizon and Mayo were the top 4 for almost everyone. 1 ILB Jerod Mayo, NE 3 2 1 2 2 ILB Curtis Lofton, ATL 1 1 2 1 7 3 OLB Keith Rivers, CIN 4 3 3 3 2 4 ILB Jordon Dizon, DET 2 4 4 4 8 Only Jeff Pasquino had him at 8(he had Adibi at 4). Anthony had him at 2 and everyone else had him at 4.CaptainCrunch said:
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Those concerns were voiced relatively by some soon after the draft. Here are some posts I made from last spring suggesting tempered expectations despite the very good opportunity Dizon had in front of him for the taking. Others shared the same opinion.Rookie LB debateOh yeah. I wasn't criticizing I was saying most people thought highly of him at the time. His weight and other issues didn't come out until later.Actually, outside of Dizon that is a pretty good ranking as Mayo, Lofton, and Rivers all look to be very solid fantasy LB plays for years to come. I would venture a guess and say that Dizon's ranking at 4 also had something to do with the situation he was falling into at the time- looking to supplant an underwhelming player like Lenon (MLB) who put up great stats coupled by the fact the Lions defense would be on the field moreso than 75% of the other NFL teams. As they say, hindsight is 20-20 and just like NFL player personnel you are going to miss out on a few. Unfortunately, it seemed like Marinelli was married to his veterans and was more concerned with keeping his job than developing young talent. Couple this with the fact that Dizon got hurt with neck stingers and hammy issues and his season was pretty much down the tubes. At any rate, I hope I Dizon can turn things around- but will be cautiously optimistic at best. If I have the room on my roster, I am willing to let him ride another year to see what develops.bcr8f said:I didn't see anything even though I looked several times. Maybe it's my browser or I needed to register.I didn't have to actually print it, clicking print gave me the whole article.CaptainCrunch said:
Dizon was highly rated as a LB last year. Lofton, Rivers, Dizon and Mayo were the top 4 for almost everyone.
1 ILB Jerod Mayo, NE 3 2 1 2
2 ILB Curtis Lofton, ATL 1 1 2 1 7
3 OLB Keith Rivers, CIN 4 3 3 3 2
4 ILB Jordon Dizon, DET 2 4 4 4 8
Only Jeff Pasquino had him at 8(he had Adibi at 4). Anthony had him at 2 and everyone else had him at 4.
Preseason concerns about Dizon
Argument for Mayo (talent) over Dizon (opportunity with lesser talent)
I had a hard time dropping Dizon outside of the top four based on the potential opportunity (in fact, I'm pretty sure I had him above Rivers until June or so), but, aside from Adibi, none of the other "potentials" have worked their way into an every down role yet. There remains no guarantee that Gooden, Bell, Wheeler, etc will end up holding any more value than Dizon will. The side of the IDP road is littered with guys like Lance Mitchell, Barry Gardner, Alfred Fincher and the like -- solid college players who went to a team with above-average opportunity and never took advantage.
corpcow
Footballguy
Did anyone see the Detroit game yesterday? Dizon showed up with 6 solos in the box score. Looks like he didn't come in until the 3rd quarter though... but how did he look? Any glimmer of hope here? With Peterson/Sims, can he possibly break into the starting lineup barring injury?
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
The starting lineup looks etched in stone, barring injury. Dizon will likely be in some of the packages on passing down, but that's about it.
Based on what you're seeing, is Larry Foote getting a majority of the passing down snaps? Or was Dizon (or Peterson?) filling in a lot for him during the recent game?
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CaptainCrunch
Footballguy
Yeah- I agree with this. He probably was just getting some action with the 2nd/3rd stringers and while it was encouraging to see him making some tackles, I don't think he has any fantasy value unless Ernie Sims where to suffer a long term injury. It seems like even if Foote where to miss time they would go another direction at MLB due to Dizon being to undersized for the role.Anthony Borbely said:
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Just added in the training camp blog thread:
**Larry Foote played every down again against the Browns and looked very active. Julian Peterson was nowhere to be found on nickel downs. Ernie Sims was around the ball, but still looks like less than an impact player. Kalvin Pearson was impressive, but the Lions had him up in the box frequently and he rarely was blocked.
I didn't see Dizon on any first team snaps in the first half. His playing time came with the backups in the second half.
**Larry Foote played every down again against the Browns and looked very active. Julian Peterson was nowhere to be found on nickel downs. Ernie Sims was around the ball, but still looks like less than an impact player. Kalvin Pearson was impressive, but the Lions had him up in the box frequently and he rarely was blocked.
I didn't see Dizon on any first team snaps in the first half. His playing time came with the backups in the second half.
Thanks Jene.
