Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Was thinking the same thing.Im still not sure if people realize that Nicks is less than a year older than Julio.
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Julio or Hakeem--Who's the better dynasty option? (1 Viewer)
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Or that Jones, in his rookie year with no offseason, had a better PPG than Nicks.'Kenny Powers said:
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jonathanjoseph
Footballguy
I'm surprised the consensus is so clear for Nicks. I think its close and the answer is Jones.
In his last 5 games, Julio had 24 rec, 461 yds, 6 TDs on 43 targets and I don't see Victor Cruz as a fluke.
In his last 5 games, Julio had 24 rec, 461 yds, 6 TDs on 43 targets and I don't see Victor Cruz as a fluke.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
If youre going PPG you better hope that Julio stays healthy because he certainly wssnt this year. How many games did Julio play, 9 or 10? Nicks appears to get "nicked" up easily, but it felt like Julio was on the sidelines more than he played this year.Or that Jones, in his rookie year with no offseason, had a better PPG than Nicks.'Kenny Powers said:
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
In his last 6 games, Nicks has 32 rec, 535 yds, 5 TDs on 56 targets and I dont see Roddy White going anywhere
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
Sounds like they are both great...and yesterday was a reminder of just how good Nicks is. Another big performance against Green Bay and Nicks will be back in the top 3-5 discussion like last season.
Honestly, flip a coin if you are in a Dynasty startup and don't have a preference one way or the other. Mine is Nicks but I wouldn't be crying to have Julio.
That said I would consider it pretty fair if they were included on either side a larger trade (where another player) was the centerpiece.
Honestly, flip a coin if you are in a Dynasty startup and don't have a preference one way or the other. Mine is Nicks but I wouldn't be crying to have Julio.
That said I would consider it pretty fair if they were included on either side a larger trade (where another player) was the centerpiece.
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
And he did it again in even more dramatic fashion. Again, my vote is for Nicks and his value is rising into next season barring injury.
Playoff football doesn't count for fantasy pointwise but you can't ignore it because it is part of the complete view of the player, their talents, situation and how the rest of the NFL prepares for them.
Playoff football doesn't count for fantasy pointwise but you can't ignore it because it is part of the complete view of the player, their talents, situation and how the rest of the NFL prepares for them.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Seems like alot of hairsplitting going on here. After CJ and maybe AJ Green I can't think of any WR I'd prefer in a dynasty league over Julio Jones or Hakeem Nicks. If you've got either enjoy the ride.
Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
Can I still enjoy it if I've got both?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'd rather have Larry Fitzgerald, Wes Welker, and Andre Johnson anyone not named Calvin Johnson.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Maybe Fitz, definitely not Welker or Andre over Nicks, Julio, and Green.'Sabertooth said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Why, they are both 30. At least 3 more years of crazy PPR production left. None of these other guys are likely to approach 100 catches.
As a Julio and Nicks owner it is very difficult for me to rank one over the other. If forced to make a decision I would choose Nicks because I feel his floor may be higher. That said I feel very confident Julio has the higher ceiling and if realized, I would probably regret choosing Nicks....but luckly I don't have to choose 
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
And Nicks and Green are 23, Julio 22. Id rather have 10 years or WR1 production. I dont think anyone who owns these guys is trading them straight up for Welker or Andre.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Projecting out more than a couple years is kind of silly IMO. I don't worry about more than 2 years down the road. The NFL is just too volatile.
Shutout
Footballguy
I'm with ya. I understand people being excited long-term for Julio but Nick is very close to the same age and it almost seems like people have COMPLETEY forgotten even just a year ago. I mean, one year ago, if you had a discussion on what would it take to get Nicks in a dynasty draft, the answer was likely "more than you can possibly afford". Nicks, for whatever reason has really pissed some people off during the middle part of this season; to the point that people are ignoring everything he is doing now (which looks exactly like what he was doing last year when people had him as the CLEAR #1 young dynasty WR).I honestly think that Julio will be good, but not consistently great like, say, Fitz. But yes, he will certainly have his moments. But Nicks? Man, I think this guy is a coin flip chance of being the top 1-3 guy every single year. He just flat out gets targeted and puts up points. Even as a comparison, calvin, who everyone is just smitten with, has had this type of season in the past where he missed a game here...missed a few catches along the season there...generally underwhelmed by his standards. But this year he had a season that he may never match again and people talk about it like that is the new norm. Its not the norm, its an incredible season. Sometimes he will put up these types of numbers and sometimes he won't. But he will always be a threat to be a top WR. And that is what guys like Fitz can do. And AJ (yes, if he stays healthy, AJ is still going to be a MAJOR factor for a few more seasons). And Nicks. you can just see it. You know he can have that type of season. I just don't see that type of "threat" from Julio with Roddy on that team. I would be more inclined to think Roddy would do it before Julio would.'RavenLunatic said:
Shutout
Footballguy
In general, at most positions other than QB and WR, I agree completely. But there ARE a handful of QBs and WRs that you can generally look at and know that you can lock them into a lineup for a decade and, while it may ebb and flow, they are going to be great players. Calvin, AJ, Fitz, Wayne when that team was together. They all really are super solid and Safe. I think Nicks and Jennings are now in that roll. With Julio, I dunno. He could be, but with Roddy there, I kind of wonder if he may be a Roy williams (worst case) or if maybe he is like a Boldin or Bowe (comes and goes).
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Welker and AJ will both be 31 before the start of next season. Couldn't disagree more with your assertion above. For every TO and Marvin Harrison that plays well into their 30's there are as many Herman Moore's and Carl Pickens that hit the wall. Randy Moss went belly up at 33. I'd rather invest in proven young stars with their whole careers ahead of them than hope to squeeze out "3 more years of crazy PPR production" out of 31-year old vet coming off an injury.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Did you enjoy those games where Nicks played hurt and Eli sent everything Cruz's way?I'd rather have a guy on the bench and resting than have him play hurt opposite a WR who takes his targets away for that week.If youre going PPG you better hope that Julio stays healthy because he certainly wssnt this year. How many games did Julio play, 9 or 10? Nicks appears to get "nicked" up easily, but it felt like Julio was on the sidelines more than he played this year.Or that Jones, in his rookie year with no offseason, had a better PPG than Nicks.
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Nicks can get disappeared pretty quickly if he's less than 100% and Manning has Cruz available.
The scary thing about Jones is that he did a lot of damage with only a few catches. So he reminds me of DeSean Jackson even though they are night and day in terms of style. You just don't know if he can maintain that kind of efficiency per catch from one season to the next. Until he starts getting a large portion of the targets (which won't happen as long as Roddy is there) you have to worry about his opportunities from week to week.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Welker is super solid and safe too. I didn't say I'd put them behind Brandon Lloyd, just that I don't have them ahead of Welker, Andre, and Fitzgerald. That's not heresy is it?
John Paul
Footballguy
They both are excellent and possess rare ability. Nicks gets a bit of an edge because the QB/offense he plays with/in.
Jones get a slight edge in the physical sense. The only WRs that exceed Julio physically(considering all the measurables)are Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson.
Flip a coin, I don't think you'd lose either way. I'd try to grab both and enjoy the dominance.
Jones get a slight edge in the physical sense. The only WRs that exceed Julio physically(considering all the measurables)are Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson.
Flip a coin, I don't think you'd lose either way. I'd try to grab both and enjoy the dominance.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
If youre talking volatility, Welker's QB is older than Nicks, Julio, and Green's (the latter 2 will have there QB for the long foreseeable future). There's a decent chance (25% maybe?) that Brady isnt there for those "at least 3 years of crazy PPR production" for Welker. Schaub is probably about Eli's age, and arguably more brittle than Andre.Unless in dynasty your entire roster is in "win now" mode because its old, I dont see why its better to have Welker. And even then, youre mostly splitting hairs with these WR's right now.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
:saysjonesowner:youre 2nd sentence is funny
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He is also light years better than those guys.
houndirish
Footballguy
There's really not a down side in this argument. Both are young, talented receivers well positioned for very good futures in the NFL.
I lean towards Nicks simpy because I think NY's QB situation is better and they seem to be more comfortable throwing than the Falcons who seem to want to run the ball more consistently.
I also tend to think that Roddy is the #1 and Jones is the #2. Granted too much shouldn't be read into the label - both are strong options. Whereas with NY I think Nicks is the #1 and Cruz is the #2. Now I know that this past year's stats don't necessarily justify those statements however with Cruz and Jones being new kids on the block, I don't think opposing defenses did a lot of gameplanning to specifically stop them versus what they may have done to contain Nicks and Roddy. Now that all four players are "established" it will be interesting to see how targets are distributed moving forward as well as who opposing defenses elect to focus on. For me, Nicks has proven he can still produce as an established #1. His frequent minor ailments are a concern and maybe speak to the possibility of a career that isn't as long as you might expect but I'm willing to put my eggs in that basket for the foreseeable future as I feel very confident in what I'm going to get. I also think Cruz's number will normalize a bit moving forward and some of that production will go back to Nicks on an annual basis.
I lean towards Nicks simpy because I think NY's QB situation is better and they seem to be more comfortable throwing than the Falcons who seem to want to run the ball more consistently.
I also tend to think that Roddy is the #1 and Jones is the #2. Granted too much shouldn't be read into the label - both are strong options. Whereas with NY I think Nicks is the #1 and Cruz is the #2. Now I know that this past year's stats don't necessarily justify those statements however with Cruz and Jones being new kids on the block, I don't think opposing defenses did a lot of gameplanning to specifically stop them versus what they may have done to contain Nicks and Roddy. Now that all four players are "established" it will be interesting to see how targets are distributed moving forward as well as who opposing defenses elect to focus on. For me, Nicks has proven he can still produce as an established #1. His frequent minor ailments are a concern and maybe speak to the possibility of a career that isn't as long as you might expect but I'm willing to put my eggs in that basket for the foreseeable future as I feel very confident in what I'm going to get. I also think Cruz's number will normalize a bit moving forward and some of that production will go back to Nicks on an annual basis.
Tau837
Footballguy
I own Nicks and would not trade him straight up for Fitz, Welker, or AJ. I'd think hard about Fitz, but the others aren't even close for me.
Tau837
Footballguy
So for two RBs who are similar in talent, situation, and expected near term performance, if one is 28 and the other 23, you wouldn't favor the younger RB?Really?
Tau837
Footballguy
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This is the level of "disrespect" Eli is dealing with these days? Not as good as Matt Ryan?
Carl Eller's Dead Liver
Footballguy
I think what Julio did his rookie year was pretty special. I own both in dynasty leagues and I'd go Julio over Nicks by a small margin. Nicks hasn't been the picture of health (he's cost me big by missing A LOT of playing time) and he's going to have to compete with Cruz for balls. Roddy is aging and Julio will be the main benefactor. Sure Julio had a hammy this season, but I trust him health-wise WAY more than Nicks at this point. Julio is also just a freak of nature.....once he fine tunes his route running he's going to be nearly impossilbe to stop with his speed, size, and jumping ability. In summary, Julio over Nicks......but not be a great margin......you're lucky if you have either one in dynasty.
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thatguy
Footballguy
Julio may have more raw talent, but Nicks is no slouch. He is a phenomenal athlete in his own right--his ball skills are off the charts, he's great after the catch, and he can run all the routes; he's great underneath but he can stretch the field too, and he is amazing in the red zone. One thing I love about Nicks is that he seems to play angry, kind of like Anquan Boldin in his prime (who I think would be on his way to the HOF if not for several injury riddled seasons). Nicks is just an absolute beast, he's a football player, and whatever raw talent deficiencies he may have with respect to Julio he makes up for with these other factors. I give the nod to Nicks. I own Nicks in one league, and would not trade him for Julio. I own Julio in another league and would gladly pull the trigger if offered Nicks straight up. Of course time will tell, and it will be a lot of fun watching both of these guys over the next decade.'Carl Eller said:I think what Julio did his rookie year was pretty special. I own both in dynasty leagues and I'd go Julio over Nicks by a small margin. Nicks hasn't been the picture of health (he's cost me big by missing A LOT of playing time) and he's going to have to compete with Cruz for balls. Roddy is aging and Julio will be the main benefactor. Sure Julio had a hammy this season, but I trust him health-wise WAY more than Nicks at this point. Julio is also just a freak of nature.....once he fine tunes his route running he's going to be nearly impossilbe to stop with his speed, size, and jumping ability. In summary, Julio over Nicks......but not be a great margin......you're lucky if you have either one in dynasty.'Just Win Baby said:
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