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Dulymus Mudhounds
Footballguy
Curse of the "housyermama" guy I guess.
MO
MO
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Barber isn't the second coming...he's just better than Julius! (owner of both)
piston pete griffin
Footballguy
JJ looks to be stuck in a 50-50 split with Barber going forward. Considering the fact JJ doesn't get the goal line love. MB is the better play going forward....
cowboyz
Footballguy
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I was lucky today...my opponent had most of his players on early games, I had most late, and was only down by a few points so went conservative and played both today - and won. It is a TD heavy league so I have been starting Barber.
my man otis
Footballguy
disagree. they were up 27-3 IIRC, so it was barber in to burn down the clock, not jones.nothing to do with an injury or anything else. IMO this is the role that barber has had all year.
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packersfan
Footballguy
I agree. I'm a Barber owner but I don't see things changing. Barber will often get one series where he gets to be the featured back. He got that series today and that was the series in which he scored. If the game had been closer I think Jones would've gotten his usual workload. As a Barber owner, I'm very happy with the game he had today but I wouldn't look at this changing how the Cowboys' backfield shapes up the rest of the way.
heading into today's game, these were their stats:J. Jones: 165 rushes, 3 rec = 168 touchesM. Barber: 59 rushes, 11 rec = 70 touchesyou really expect a 50/50 split going forward even though Jones has gotten 2.4 times as many touches in the 8 games before today?
my man otis
Footballguy
exactly
FFdork
Footballguy
No, no. That's not how it works in these threads. You aren't supposed to approach the situation objectively. You're supposed to argue for your guy no matter what. Example: 'Barber has looked way better than JJ and Parcell's knows it. JJ will be lucky to see the field going forward. I see a 95/5 split. Barber will be a key component in your (and more importantly my) championship team' See how that works? Now try again.
JJ is still the man when the game is close. Barber comes in for mop-up duty. The hard part is figuring out what type of game this Jekyll/Hyde team will put on the field in a given week. It was likely they were going to handle ARI without much trouble, but you would have thought the same last week vs. WAS (which they didn't).
my man otis
Footballguy
divisional games are rarely, if ever, easy games, especially on the road.
i don't think so. i think they make a great RB2 & RB3 (although i use them as RB1 & RB2 - my receivers are excellent). unless you're sitting a guy like warrick dunn or something, i think they're worthy of playing along side one another. barber gets a TD nearly every week, and Jones is usually good for near 100 yds. they're not a bad play together.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
People see what they want to see.Aaron Rudnicki said:
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Very true, but Barber's 7 TDs to Jones' 3 has to be somewhat disconcerting to Jones owners.Aaron Rudnicki said:
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
FFdork said:No, no. That's not how it works in these threads. You aren't supposed to approach the situation objectively. You're supposed to argue for your guy no matter what. Example: 'Barber has looked way better than JJ and Parcell's knows it. JJ will be lucky to see the field going forward. I see a 95/5 split. Barber will be a key component in your (and more importantly my) championship team' See how that works? Now try again.packersfan said:
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm a Barber owner who would love to see Barber take over the starter. But in my opinion there's no question Jones is the superior talent at RB. But if Parcells feels differently, I certainly wouldn't question him.
Seriously, though, I think Jones is the more talented RB and like I said before given how well the situation has been working all season long I don't see any reason why Parcells would make a change. Barring injury I would expect Jones to keep starting with Barber getting his 8-10 or so carries a game and all of the goal-line looks.has everyone else missed the fact that Jones seems to go down on first contact nearly every time? i wouldn't say that Barber is "the superior" back (i own them both, incidentally), but i would say he's 10-20% better. i think because they're close in overall ability, Parells likes to use Barber later in the game to "close the door" or to get fresh legs in. very often this year in the games i've seen (i've seen prob 4 games, so my sample size is limited) barber doesn't get his first carry outside the red zone until mid/late 3rd quarter, and then more or less carries the load from there.
barber is better, but i can't see this formula changing without some extenuating circumstances.
barber is better, but i can't see this formula changing without some extenuating circumstances.
losgalacticos
Footballguy
I am a frustrated JJ owner. It doesn't hlp that I hate the Cowboys and can't get value for him because he can't break out. If he would have a 75 yard 1st half, he would not come out. But there are no big plays. Also, they never throw to him to get him in space. Even the QB change hasn't helped.
I am being patient because he is (luckily) my 4th RB, but this is dreadful
I am being patient because he is (luckily) my 4th RB, but this is dreadful
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
I own both and it is KILLING me. Believe it or not, Barber is outscoring Jones in this league, which awards 1 point per 20 yards rushed or received and 6 points per TD. I'm going to bench Jones and start Barber next week. I'm sick of this. Jones will be lucky to see the end zone again this year, IMO.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Feel very fortunate to have moved JJ in a dynasty league. I had both but was able to trade JJ and Mike Furrey for Greg Jennings and a 1st round rookie pick next year (currently would be the 4th overall pick but has potential to be top 2).
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Well, in truth, it isnot 50-50 FF split (108 FPs for JJ and 83 for MBIII) as much as it is Barber playing MUCH better on third down and getting as much love as Barber in the red zone - plus, he is MUCH MUCH miore effective inside the 20:Marion Barber III 28 rush 117 yards 4.18 YPC 14 FDs 7 rush TDs 1 target 1 reception 7 yards 54.40 FPsJulius Jones 38 rush 113 yards 2.97 YPC 6 FDs 2 TDs 0 targets 23.30 FPs
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
BTW, the point of my post = this:
If you think the 'boys will have a good offensive day on the ground (and against the Colts they ought to), you play JJ b/c he gets more opps to make yardage plus TDs.
If it will be a day of tough yardage on the ground, play MBIII instead - he will have more short yardage and red zone opps than JJ and will have more opportunity to get you a line that looks like 50/1TD.
MBIII = more consistent in that he has fewer under 10 FP games and more games between 10 and 15 FPs, but JJ more explosive since he has 3 games over 15 FPs, but MBIII has only 1.
If you NEED points this week, plsy MBIII. If you want the possibility of an explosive game, play JJ this week.
If you think the 'boys will have a good offensive day on the ground (and against the Colts they ought to), you play JJ b/c he gets more opps to make yardage plus TDs.
If it will be a day of tough yardage on the ground, play MBIII instead - he will have more short yardage and red zone opps than JJ and will have more opportunity to get you a line that looks like 50/1TD.
MBIII = more consistent in that he has fewer under 10 FP games and more games between 10 and 15 FPs, but JJ more explosive since he has 3 games over 15 FPs, but MBIII has only 1.
If you NEED points this week, plsy MBIII. If you want the possibility of an explosive game, play JJ this week.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Correction in that FBG scoring has them nearly even - 100 versus 93.7
djb916420
Footballguy
ppr league, 3pt bonus for 100+yds, 6 pt td's total 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 jones:108.50 17.60 7.40 B 21.20 15.70 13.60 6.00 15.20 7.30 4.50 barber:99.70 3.60 13.00 B 13.80 12.30 11.70 5.10 18.10 8.30 13.80 barber by far seems to be the more consistant back have only 2 games under 10 points 
jones seems to be the homerun having 4 games under 8 points. 
im leaning towards starting barber III, edit: barber has outscored jj the last 3 weeks.
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LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
Of course, if Indy jumps out ahead by 21 points, which is possible, neither RB will score squat.
pinda
Footballguy
I agree with this, Barber is better........against 2nd rate defenses when the game is iced already. (owner of neither, just a clear minded opinion)
pigskin pimp
Footballguy
Had JJ as a keeper. Got Barber for a 7th rounder in the draft.
Not to wish bad mojo on anyone, but I was hoping that one of them would get dinged up this year to make for a viable #2 RB.
Didn't happen.
As JJ or Barber owners, we're stuck.
People keep blasting away on the Rat, but BP is no better.
JJ gets the job done, only to get a rest when they get it inside the ten.
JJ=the man from 20 to 20.
Barber=the man from inside 20 and the refresher RB.
Unless JJ breaks a long one, the goalline work goes to Barber.
If the Cowboys don't sniff red zone, Barber's value is nil.
Pick your poison.
Barber has been outscoring JJ for a few weeks, but are you gambling for Barber to get his TD, or playing it safer with JJ to compile some yardage.
Me...
But, like always, I'm going JJ and hoping and praying.
Not to wish bad mojo on anyone, but I was hoping that one of them would get dinged up this year to make for a viable #2 RB.
Didn't happen.
As JJ or Barber owners, we're stuck.
People keep blasting away on the Rat, but BP is no better.
JJ gets the job done, only to get a rest when they get it inside the ten.
JJ=the man from 20 to 20.
Barber=the man from inside 20 and the refresher RB.
Unless JJ breaks a long one, the goalline work goes to Barber.
If the Cowboys don't sniff red zone, Barber's value is nil.
Pick your poison.
Barber has been outscoring JJ for a few weeks, but are you gambling for Barber to get his TD, or playing it safer with JJ to compile some yardage.
Me...
But, like always, I'm going JJ and hoping and praying.
This is what I'm concerned about...I see a repeat of the DEN/IND game with Peyton exploiting another Williams up and down the field.However, DAL's best chance of winning is to run JJ and MBIII as much as possible and keep IND off the field. Luckily they've been playing down to their recent opponents so DAL might have a chance at keeping this close (with Vanderjagt missing the potential game-tying FG wide right).LordHusker said:
packersfan
Footballguy
If it's a repeat of the Denver-Indy game that bodes very well for the Cowboys' running attack this week. Mike Bell tore the Colts up and Tatum Bell likely would have too if he wasn't hurt. I like both Jones and Barber a lot this week. I think Jones is a very good RB2 and Barber a very good RB3.
packersfan
Footballguy
This is interesting. From RotoWorld:
Coach Bill Parcells said he wants to be careful to keep "gas in Julius Jones' tank" with two games coming up in five days.
Parcells said he hopes he make it through Thanksgiving with his running backs in good shape, then Jones can "refuel" for the stretch run. It wouldn't be surprising to see Jones and Marion Barber split carries the next two weeks before Jones dominates the work again later.
Coach Bill Parcells said he wants to be careful to keep "gas in Julius Jones' tank" with two games coming up in five days.
Parcells said he hopes he make it through Thanksgiving with his running backs in good shape, then Jones can "refuel" for the stretch run. It wouldn't be surprising to see Jones and Marion Barber split carries the next two weeks before Jones dominates the work again later.
