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Julius Thomas v. Virgil Green as Dynasty Prospects (1 Viewer)
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BusMan
Footballguy
Green - more accomplished; medical issues
Thomas - ex-basketball player; raw
Both are extremely athletic. Thomas has the size advantage while Green is a more accomplished route runner and pass catcher. Thomas has a bigger boom/bust range, but his boom is a poor man's Antonio Gates. Green should have the early edge if his medical issues are behind him. Ultimately, I see this as Denver throwing these two guys against the wall to see which one, if either, sticks.
Thomas - ex-basketball player; raw
Both are extremely athletic. Thomas has the size advantage while Green is a more accomplished route runner and pass catcher. Thomas has a bigger boom/bust range, but his boom is a poor man's Antonio Gates. Green should have the early edge if his medical issues are behind him. Ultimately, I see this as Denver throwing these two guys against the wall to see which one, if either, sticks.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Green is undersized. He is a better pass catcher. He could take the Dorin Dickerson route and convert to just being a big WR.
Thomas is a converted basketball player. He has more of an opportunity to be an every-down TE. Broncos traded up to get him.
I'd avoid both unless it's very deep because Fox has never been known to use a TE. For what it's worth, Chris Wesseling ranks Green over Thomas and has Green as the #3 rookie TE.
Thomas is a converted basketball player. He has more of an opportunity to be an every-down TE. Broncos traded up to get him.
I'd avoid both unless it's very deep because Fox has never been known to use a TE. For what it's worth, Chris Wesseling ranks Green over Thomas and has Green as the #3 rookie TE.
Yeah, I saw that, but Bloom has Thomas over Green: "Somewhat reminiscent of the Ravens drafting both Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta last year, the Broncos doubled up on TE, which blunts the potential of both Thomas and Virgil Green - although I like Thomas better as a pure upside passcatcher.""Green might get out into pass patterns as much as or more than Julius Thomas as a "move" TE, but his long-term upside is crippled by Thomas's presence."Trying to see if I can find something to break the tie in my head, the Gates comparisons for Thomas might just do that.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/julius-thomas-the-latest-basketball-tight-end/
that's a piece from the NYTimes I did during the Scouting Combine earlier this year. I saw him at the Shrine Game this year and his upside is out of this world.
He's very raw, but showed better body control and concentration than Jordan Cameron (USC TE) at the Shrine.
Green is better now, but his ceiling isn't much higher than it is at this point.
Thomas could develop into a great player for the Broncos. Green is what he is, and may not improve much from that (especially if injuries hold him back).
that's a piece from the NYTimes I did during the Scouting Combine earlier this year. I saw him at the Shrine Game this year and his upside is out of this world.
He's very raw, but showed better body control and concentration than Jordan Cameron (USC TE) at the Shrine.
Green is better now, but his ceiling isn't much higher than it is at this point.
Thomas could develop into a great player for the Broncos. Green is what he is, and may not improve much from that (especially if injuries hold him back).
Perfect - just what I needed - thanks Cecil
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Shane Falco
Footballguy
kind of the opposite of what Waldman wrote
This is what Wesseling just said on Twitter: "Green is better now, both have upside. Roles will be similar to Hernandez/Gronk w/ Green as A-Hern"
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
That's fine. Waldman and I have disagreed on players in the past, and will in the future. I respect Matt's opinion immensely, and know that he's high on Green. I don't share the same opinion after film study of Green, film study of Thomas and watching him practice during the Shrine against much better competition than he saw at Portland State. Give me the upside guy, especially in a John Fox offense.
bonesman
Footballguy
good thread
I really started liking Julius (def. gonna be called Orange Julius at some point playing in Denver) Thomas after seeing and reading some interviews with the kid. Particularly this one:
this one before his college football season was pretty good too: http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/play/1436489/psu_hoops_player_eyes_spot_on_football_team?wpid=5435
He seems like he has a true love for football and is exceptionally intelligent for an athlete.
I really started liking Julius (def. gonna be called Orange Julius at some point playing in Denver) Thomas after seeing and reading some interviews with the kid. Particularly this one:
this one before his college football season was pretty good too: http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/play/1436489/psu_hoops_player_eyes_spot_on_football_team?wpid=5435
He seems like he has a true love for football and is exceptionally intelligent for an athlete.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Chad Reuter and me discuss Julius Thomas from Orlando and the Shrine Game
Sounds like Chad wasn't as high on him - 6 or 7th round grade rather than the 4th where he went. Good, not great, hands.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
That was after day one of practice in Orlando. Because of rain the practice was held indoors at the hotel ballroom. Still ran 9 on 7s and some WRTE v DB drills. Thomas kept improving as the week went on. NFLDraftScout had Green as the 7th best TE in this class, and Thomas as the 8th best.
Here's Chad's write up on JT - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1755056
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Check out Wesseling's who will shine / who will stink from last year, lol. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38353271/ns/sports-nfl/
Interesting - thanks again Cecil. Trying to picture guys running drills in a hotel ballroom.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
It was weird, but both Dan Reeves and Wade Phillips had done it before....
- that's the ballroom in the background
That's crazy. Can't imagine how they didn't break a ton of light fixtures.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
The O-Line D-Line practiced in the hallway and broke some potted plants
eakfootball
Footballguy
I don't remember any ex-basketball players who aren't pegged with "elite Antonio Gates" upside
bonesman
Footballguy
Very true... but how many of those have Clancy Barone in their corner?
Shane Falco
Footballguy
It just makes it harder for us to decide if you don't agree 
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
When I am fishing for late round TE's, I always go with the side that has more upside. In this case, I think it is clearly Thomas. Now his odds may be 10% Jermichael Finley/Jimmy Graham and 90% out of the league in 2 years, but from a 4th round rookie pick I will take those odds.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
I don't think Wesseling's picks were that bad. Consider that injuries hit Best and Hardesty. And lots of people expected more out of R.Matthews than what we got. The rest of his shine picks I think were good calls.And it's not like he said each of the stinky players suck and won't ever be any good. If you read his explanations, he was just saying you wouldn't get much in the way of production out of them their rookie year. He wasn't that far off. As good as Bradford looked, his fantasy production really wasn't all that great, and Wesseling did predict good things for his future but noted (correctly) that the surrounding cast would limit him. And his analysis of Gronkowski was pretty spot on for the first part of the year though Gronk did come on as Hernandez ended up dinged and/or in the doghouse.
I can't fault him much at all, the more I think about it.
