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Junior Seau a HOFer? (1 Viewer)
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Bears_Man2
Footballguy
No poll?
Yes he is w/o question.
Yes he is w/o question.
He's got to be. How many linebackers are in the Hall of Fame currently? Seau is borderline top ten of all time, probably, and there have got to be more than ten already in.
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MLBrandow
Guest
Where does he rank on the all-time tackles list?
I couldn't find a list online.
I couldn't find a list online.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Bobby Bell (also DE) 1963-1974Nick Buoniconti 1962-1974, 1976#### Butkus 1965-1973Harry Carson 1976-1988George Connor (also DT, OT) 1948-1955Bill George 1952-1966Jack Ham 1971-1982Ted Hendricks 1969-1983Sam Huff 1956-1967, 1969Jack Lambert 1974-1984Willie Lanier 1967-1977Ray Nitschke 1958-1972Joe Schmidt 1953-1965Mike Singletary 1981-1992Lawrence Taylor 1981-1993Dave Wilcox 1964-1974Yes, Seau belongs on the list. Only a mighty few can change the outcome of the game from that position. Can't really say offenses "defended" against him since he roamed everywhere on the field. Couldn't just set an extra guy up to "cover" him.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
You won't find one. Seau and his 12 Pro Bowls should easily make the HoF
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I think he leads the league all time in tackling guys downfield after they run past him being blocked by a lineman or fullback.Overrated.. clap clap clappity clap!I'll never forget his short lived career as a goal line H-back. Rico McDonald of the Bears gave him a facial that would make Jeff Stryker proud.
Lightning Fast Whip
Footballguy
I'd say yes. Him and Harrison led a tough Run defense for year after year. And he could run well in pass coverage.
Tau837
Footballguy
Obviously, he is a lock. Should be first ballot, no questions asked. Relevant post from Future HOF Candidates:
barndog
Father of Two
On Sirius yesterday they said he's the all-time leading tackler at LB. Pretty impressive.
LaneOfSteel™
Footballguy
12 pro-bowls (consecutive too I believe) = no question HOF.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
HOF
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Not only a HOF...he'll get in on the first try. This is a no brainer.
Sinrman
Footballguy
EASILY
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Is that a yes or a no?He's a lock for first ballot, and deservedly so.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Definitely
Tau837
Footballguy
Not sure if this is a serious or sarcastic post. I think Seau is a first ballot HOFer, but making an All Decade team certainly doesn't guarantee HOF induction.
He played in twelve twelve Pro Bowls. In 1999, he replaced Ray Lewis, who was injured.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
First ballot.and he's just as overrated as Urlacher.GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Tau837
Footballguy
Interesting. I wonder if that is an oversight at pfr or if pfr lists only those who make it the original cut (i.e., not replacements).
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I thought Jr won a NFL Defensive MVP too?
Tau837
Footballguy
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
First ballot. No question.
Then again, I thought the same thing about Art Monk.
Then again, I thought the same thing about Art Monk.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Pro bowl selections are meaningless.
Seau was a bit overrated, IMO, but he was still a HoFer.
Seau was a bit overrated, IMO, but he was still a HoFer.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think even going beyond the numbers, Seau is the kind of player you want kids seeing when they visit the Hall of Fame. He played hard, fair, injured and with class. Aside from that, he excelled at his position for most of his career.
Even if I was rooting against his team, I found it hard to root against him. Definite Hall of Famer.
Even if I was rooting against his team, I found it hard to root against him. Definite Hall of Famer.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
I think he'll get in on his first try. 12 consecutive Pro Bowls is pretty hard for the voters to ignore.
Tau837
Footballguy
I don't disagree, but 12 in a row is impressive regardless. And, more importantly, he was All NFL 7 times and All Decade. I think those distinctions are meaningful.
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
That's why there's no poll. It's redundant. Of course he's in.
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MLBrandow
Guest
Wouldn't that pretty much make him the all-time leading tackler overall? I'm not sure I can think of a safety who played 17+ seasons who averaged more tackles...
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Even more. How many of those ProBowls did he deserve to be in? My o/u is about 6 which is still very good. The last two or three he got voted in were absolutely laughable. The first two or three he had a lot of great highlights and was a physical monster but played out of position more than any other player I can think of. I do give him credit for playing through injuries though to amass those stats.Seau couldn't touch Ray Lewis when both were at the top of their game. It's not even close.
I agree with all of this, but still think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Lots of people who couldn't touch Ray Lewis are already in.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
If you think Canton should be the "Hall of Above Average" then Seau is a lock, as most of you point out. Personally, I don't think he's worthy though...
For all the griping about Brian Urlacher being 'the most overrated NFL player' a few years ago, as pointed out above, Urlacher is better than Seau in most categories (through 6 years):
Urlacher: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187400
Seau: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4239
Seau was more the beneficiary of some wacky Nike Ads - and a marketing vehicle for the NFL.
For all the griping about Brian Urlacher being 'the most overrated NFL player' a few years ago, as pointed out above, Urlacher is better than Seau in most categories (through 6 years):
Urlacher: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187400
Seau: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4239
Seau was more the beneficiary of some wacky Nike Ads - and a marketing vehicle for the NFL.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
first ballot IMHO. Add to the fact that he was the face of his franchise for most of his career and there you have it.
Of the LBs of this era, you have to say Seau ad Ray Lewis are locks (even though Ray may not get in first time b/c of the stabbing incident).
Others worth Mentioning.
Urlacher (meh)
Porter
Z Thomas
Bruschi (has the rings)
Anyone else?
Of the LBs of this era, you have to say Seau ad Ray Lewis are locks (even though Ray may not get in first time b/c of the stabbing incident).
Others worth Mentioning.
Urlacher (meh)
Porter
Z Thomas
Bruschi (has the rings)
Anyone else?
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Tau837
Footballguy
Wow, you missed the only other LB of this era besides Seau and Lewis that has a good shot at the HOF--Derrick Brooks. (Younger players like Urlacher have too much longer to play to judge.)Also, why would anyone lump Bruschi in here? Classic case of media hype. He's a good player, period. He's been to a grand total of one Pro Bowl and has never been All NFL. "The rings" don't make him worth mention among the best LBs of his era.
he wrote "anyone else" as if he might be missing someone and "has the rings" as if that might appear good to the HOF voting committee. I think you were quick to jump here.Brooks, completely agree.Porter I'm not so sure of but that might have to do with the Steelers regularly having a great LBer. Back since Lloyd they always have one that's exciting, even a younger Bell.
Tau837
Footballguy
Didn't mean to give offense.In terms of HOF consideration, no one from this era will get any serious consideration other than Seau, Lewis, and Brooks IMO. I think that is actually quite interesting, since only 3 LBs are in the HOF that played any amount of time in the 1980s or later. Will all 3 of those guys make it? I think both are deserving.Bri said:
Buckle
Footballguy
He's in. I think he's better than Carson to start with anyways.
While not the flashy LB like a LT or Butkus, definitely the Emmitt Smith of LBs. Consistent high-production for a long time at a position where it's tough to make a long career out of. Plus he was impact in the NFL from Day 1.
While not the flashy LB like a LT or Butkus, definitely the Emmitt Smith of LBs. Consistent high-production for a long time at a position where it's tough to make a long career out of. Plus he was impact in the NFL from Day 1.
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