Just Found out My Cholesterol is High... (1 Viewer)

[Ditka Butkus]

At least half of the people with high LDLs have it because of genetic pre-disposition, but the medical community doesnt talk that up cuz it gives fatties another reason not to change their diets. If that's true in your case, statins are probably the best course. Dietwise, If you eat red meat dont eat any simple carbs (the white foods) with it, add more fish & beans as protein sources & nuts to your snack regimen.

If this is what it takes I'll stay with the high cholesterol.

You'd rather die than eat fish, beans, and nuts?

Never mind. I guess my wife is right, some of this #### is only funny to teenage boys.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

My cholesterol use to be high, so then I stopped getting stoned.

 

[Brony]

At least half of the people with high LDLs have it because of genetic pre-disposition, but the medical community doesnt talk that up cuz it gives fatties another reason not to change their diets. If that's true in your case, statins are probably the best course. Dietwise, If you eat red meat dont eat any simple carbs (the white foods) with it, add more fish & beans as protein sources & nuts to your snack regimen.

If this is what it takes I'll stay with the high cholesterol.

You'd rather die than eat fish, beans, and nuts?

Never mind. I guess my wife is right, some of this #### is only funny to teenage boys.

I like your nuts crack.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I just got my results and had some questions.

LDL 180

HDL 75

Triglycerides 62

So my LDL is high but my HDL (good cholesterol) is very high and my triglycerides are very low. In doing some research I see high LDL bad but those other two markers are very good. My "ratios" look very good but should that LDL number scare me? I took the test the week after Thanksgiving when I ate terribly for about a week and a half. I could lose about 10 pounds and I am going to. Now my doctor giving me 3 months to eat better and if LDL doesn't improve then he will prescribe medication. I have to admit I am not too excited to go on medication and will do everything I can to lower the number. First my diet will improve. This fall i have fallen off the wagon and have eaten not too great. I exercise a lot but that LDL number has me concerned. That is the highest it has ever been by a good 40 points. MY BP was 117/78. No other issues. Thanks for the feedback.

Went in to have my blood drawn this morning so i'll know soon if the changes I made these last 12 weeks did anything in terms of my cholesterol levels. No matter what the results are, I'm happy. I've changed my diet almost completely and have stuck with it. I'm eating more vegetables now per day than I did in two weeks. I cut out all the crap, all the things with hydrogenated oils. I've maintained my exercise. My weight dropped about 11 pounds, which for me is a lot. The dietary transition was difficult for the first few weeks. I had a horrible headache when I cut the crap out and added more vegetables. That lasted about a week. The second issue was the gas and bloating from adding infinitely more fiber to my diet. That lasted longer, probably about 4-5 weeks. Now I can eat as many fruits and vegetables as I want and not feel full of gas. I piss way more than I used to which I'm told is normal for a high fiber diet but waking up in the middle of the night to piss is a new thing for me and probably the biggest hassle out of everything.

So, follow up next week for the results and it's either good news or time for a statin. Thanks to all for their advice in this thread. (fyi I had to ditch the Cholest-off because it was just killing my stomach. I was using it at a time when I was going throw the gas and bloating issues that came with increasing fiber so maybe that had something to do with it but I did feel better once I stopped taking it.)

 

[kupcho1]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/10717431/Why-Ive-ditched-statins-for-good.html

As experts clash over proposals that millions more of us take statins to prevent heart disease and stroke, a vascular surgeon explains why he feels better without them

Why I've ditched statins for good

By Haroun Gajraj

9:50PM GMT 23 Mar 2014

353 Comments

When I had a routine health check-up eight years ago, my cholesterol was so high that the laboratory thought there had been a mistake. I had 9.3 millimoles of cholesterol in every litre of blood almost twice the recommended maximum.

It was quite a shock. The GP instantly prescribed statins, the cholesterol-lowering drugs that are supposed to prevent heart disease and strokes. For eight years, I faithfully popped my 20mg atorvastatin pills, without side effects. Then, one day last May, I stopped. It wasnt a snap decision; after looking more closely at the research, Id concluded that statins were not going to save me from a heart attack and that my cholesterol levels were all but irrelevant.

When I informed my GP of my decision three months later, I wasnt entirely honest. Rather than say I was sceptical about the drugs, I told my doctor Id quit the statins because they were causing pain in my arm.

He didnt bat an eyelid. Evidence from the drug industry published this month evidence I suspect was heavily reliant on data from the drug industry, as Dr James Le Fanu pointed out on these pages last week may suggest that side effects are uncommon, but previous studies have found that one in five people on statins suffers adverse side effects, from muscle pain and diarrhoea to memory loss and blurred vision.

The GP simply suggested I try another brand of statin. The sooner the better, he said, given that Id already been off my prescription for three months. Hang on, I said. Could you give me a blood test first? When the results came back, he was amazed that my total blood cholesterol was lower than when Id been on statins. After three months without the pills, it was 5.4mmol/l (5.4 millimoles per litre of blood) compared with 5.7 mmol/l a year earlier.

The only major changes Id made to my lifestyle since coming off statins were eliminating sugar (including alcohol and starchy foods such as bread) and eating more animal fat. Many experts now believe that sugar is emerging as a true villain in the heart-disease story; while after decades of demonisation, saturated fat has been acquitted of causing heart disease by a recent meta analysis of 70 studies by Cambridge University.

Typically, I was eating red meat three or four times a week and enjoying butter, full-fat milk and plenty of eggs. You would have thought that after three months on a diet so high in saturated fat, my cholesterol would have shot back up to pre-statin levels but no, it came down and has stayed down seven months on. Not only that, but my levels of LDL (so-called bad cholesterol) were also lower than when Id been on statins, and my ratio of HDL (so-called good cholesterol) to LDL was under four for the first time, an excellent sign, according to medical wisdom.

Not that I cared about any of this.

Yes, it was the statins that originally reduced my cholesterol levels so dramatically. But so what? I believe that high cholesterol has been a scapegoat for too long. Yes, it may, in some circumstances, be an indicator of heart disease but there is no evidence of a causal link. In my view, high total blood cholesterol or high LDL levels no more cause heart attacks than paramedics cause car crashes, even though they are present at the scene.

Just lowering cholesterol with drugs without sorting out the dietary and lifestyle factors that actually cause heart disease is nonsensical. Besides, there are plenty of other, more reliable indicators of heart-disease risk. What further astonished my GP was that on these indicators I was now apparently better off in other ways than when Id been on statins. My blood pressure was down. For the first time in years, I was slimmer, especially around the belly. My triglycerides a type of blood fat with a causal link to heart disease were lower than at any time in the preceding eight years. My fasting blood glucose was at the optimum level, whereas a year earlier it had been too high. My total white blood count a marker of inflammation was lower.

My blood test for a marker called glycated haemoglobin (A1c), high levels of which are associated with heart disease and overall mortality, were bang on normal. Finally, my level of c-reactive protein (CRP) a protein that rises in response to inflammation was extremely low. So, biochemically, I was in excellent shape, better than when Id been on the statins. Have you taken up running? asked my bemused GP.

No, Id always run. For years, Id exercised three times a week, eaten plenty of fish, refrained from smoking and tried to keep my stress levels low. The only thing Id changed was my intake of sugar and animal fat.

That check-up was seven months ago and now, at 58, Im not on a single tablet. My GP is happy. I feel better than I have in years and, at the same time, deeply concerned about proposals advising even wider use of statins.

Until 2005, statins were prescribed only to those with at least a 30 per cent or greater risk of having a heart attack within 10 years. This was then reduced to a 20 per cent risk. Now, draft NHS guidelines would have them dished out to those with just a 10 per cent risk in other words, most men over the age of 50 and most women over the age of 60.

I am a vascular surgeon. Before founding a private clinic in Dorset 11 years ago, specialising in varicose veins, I worked in the NHS for 13 years. Back then, I didnt question medical guidance on cholesterol, and thought statins were a wonder drug. And so they probably are, for men who have heart disease not necessarily because they lower cholesterol, but because they may cut other risks such as the inflammation-marker CRP. Exercise, weight loss and omega 3 supplements also lower CRP.

But what about other groups women, the elderly and people like me who have not been diagnosed with heart disease? The evidence that we will benefit from cholesterol-lowering drugs is ambiguous at best. The 2011 Hunt 2 study, one of the most recent and largest, followed 52,000 men and women in Norway aged 20-74 with no pre-existing heart disease, for 10 years.

The results for women were crystal clear. The lower a womans total cholesterol, the greater her risk of dying, either of heart disease or anything else, including cancer. This reflects findings in previous studies.

For men, high cholesterol was associated with heart disease and death from other causes. But so, too, was low cholesterol below 5mmol/l. Again, this is only an association, not a causal link. A range of between 5mmol/l and 7mmol/l was the optimum level. Guess what? This is already the national average. In addition, numerous studies have linked high cholesterol levels with increased longevity in the elderly.

As for me, I have not been diagnosed with heart disease, and nobody in my family has had a heart attack. However, all four of my paternal uncles and my sister have diabetes. Research from Canada, published last year in the BMJ, has shown that statins raise the risk of diabetes, so that gives me little faith. The controversy over these drugs was reignited last week when Prof Sir Rory Collins from Oxford University warned that doctors hesitancy about prescribing them to those at risk could cost lives.

GPs are, by definition, generalists. They dont have time to read and analyse data from every paper on every medical condition. Even so, in a recent survey by Pulse magazine, six in 10 GPs opposed the draft proposal to lower the risk level at which patients are prescribed statins. And 55 per cent said they would not take statins themselves or recommend them to a relative, based on the proposed new guidelines.

If that doesnt speak volumes, I dont know what does.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I just got my results and had some questions.

LDL 180

HDL 75

Triglycerides 62

So my LDL is high but my HDL (good cholesterol) is very high and my triglycerides are very low. In doing some research I see high LDL bad but those other two markers are very good. My "ratios" look very good but should that LDL number scare me? I took the test the week after Thanksgiving when I ate terribly for about a week and a half. I could lose about 10 pounds and I am going to. Now my doctor giving me 3 months to eat better and if LDL doesn't improve then he will prescribe medication. I have to admit I am not too excited to go on medication and will do everything I can to lower the number. First my diet will improve. This fall i have fallen off the wagon and have eaten not too great. I exercise a lot but that LDL number has me concerned. That is the highest it has ever been by a good 40 points. MY BP was 117/78. No other issues. Thanks for the feedback.

Just got results of my 12 week retest

LDL 126

HDL 66

Triglycerides 53

I cut my LDL by almost 1/3rd! My total cholesterol/ HDL ratio is 3.1. Under the testing guidelines they still list my LDL as high (under 100 ideal). I really can't eat better than I have these last 12 weeks. All my ratios look ideal (HDL high, Tri's low). According to heart risk calculator I'm in the ideal range (1% risk over 10 years). I guess I'm pretty happy with the progress I made. I detest the thought of going on medication. The note on my test results still says to get my LDL down, any chance they'll suggest medication with those numbers? After my december test I was told I needed significant improvement or else medication time. I hope this would qualify as significant improvement?

The main change I made was buying that Blendtec machine and eating more vegetables every day than I ever have. The other change was avoiding anything with hydrogenated oils. Tried to eat more vegetables and less meat for dinner.

 

[jamny]

I just got my results and had some questions.

LDL 180

HDL 75

Triglycerides 62

So my LDL is high but my HDL (good cholesterol) is very high and my triglycerides are very low. In doing some research I see high LDL bad but those other two markers are very good. My "ratios" look very good but should that LDL number scare me? I took the test the week after Thanksgiving when I ate terribly for about a week and a half. I could lose about 10 pounds and I am going to. Now my doctor giving me 3 months to eat better and if LDL doesn't improve then he will prescribe medication. I have to admit I am not too excited to go on medication and will do everything I can to lower the number. First my diet will improve. This fall i have fallen off the wagon and have eaten not too great. I exercise a lot but that LDL number has me concerned. That is the highest it has ever been by a good 40 points. MY BP was 117/78. No other issues. Thanks for the feedback.

Just got results of my 12 week retest

LDL 126

HDL 66

Triglycerides 53

I cut my LDL by almost 1/3rd! My total cholesterol/ HDL ratio is 3.1. Under the testing guidelines they still list my LDL as high (under 100 ideal). I really can't eat better than I have these last 12 weeks. All my ratios look ideal (HDL high, Tri's low). According to heart risk calculator I'm in the ideal range (1% risk over 10 years). I guess I'm pretty happy with the progress I made. I detest the thought of going on medication. The note on my test results still says to get my LDL down, any chance they'll suggest medication with those numbers? After my december test I was told I needed significant improvement or else medication time. I hope this would qualify as significant improvement?

The main change I made was buying that Blendtec machine and eating more vegetables every day than I ever have. The other change was avoiding anything with hydrogenated oils. Tried to eat more vegetables and less meat for dinner.

They may suggest it but there's no way you have to accept it, especially as you are motivated to improve. Congrats on the numbers.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I just got my results and had some questions.

LDL 180

HDL 75

Triglycerides 62

So my LDL is high but my HDL (good cholesterol) is very high and my triglycerides are very low. In doing some research I see high LDL bad but those other two markers are very good. My "ratios" look very good but should that LDL number scare me? I took the test the week after Thanksgiving when I ate terribly for about a week and a half. I could lose about 10 pounds and I am going to. Now my doctor giving me 3 months to eat better and if LDL doesn't improve then he will prescribe medication. I have to admit I am not too excited to go on medication and will do everything I can to lower the number. First my diet will improve. This fall i have fallen off the wagon and have eaten not too great. I exercise a lot but that LDL number has me concerned. That is the highest it has ever been by a good 40 points. MY BP was 117/78. No other issues. Thanks for the feedback.

Just got results of my 12 week retest

LDL 126

HDL 66

Triglycerides 53

I cut my LDL by almost 1/3rd! My total cholesterol/ HDL ratio is 3.1. Under the testing guidelines they still list my LDL as high (under 100 ideal). I really can't eat better than I have these last 12 weeks. All my ratios look ideal (HDL high, Tri's low). According to heart risk calculator I'm in the ideal range (1% risk over 10 years). I guess I'm pretty happy with the progress I made. I detest the thought of going on medication. The note on my test results still says to get my LDL down, any chance they'll suggest medication with those numbers? After my december test I was told I needed significant improvement or else medication time. I hope this would qualify as significant improvement?

The main change I made was buying that Blendtec machine and eating more vegetables every day than I ever have. The other change was avoiding anything with hydrogenated oils. Tried to eat more vegetables and less meat for dinner.

They may suggest it but there's no way you have to accept it, especially as you are motivated to improve. Congrats on the numbers.

The note they sent with the test results say to eat better and retest again in 3 months. Eat better? Not possible. Now the last test in December had a note that said "significant improvement or else medication". So no mention of medication, just eat better. I think these are mostly computer generated notes that the doctor just signs off on. I guess the question I would have is can my number get even lower by continuing on the dietary path? My ratio's can't get much better. At what point do i plateau? or have I already have? I have increased my vegetable intake by about 1000% (no exaggeration) so even if this LDL/HDL stuff is hogwash at least I'm eating much better.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The note they sent with the test results say to eat better and retest again in 3 months. Eat better? Not possible.

"Better" doesn't necessarily mean better than you've eaten for the last three months. It could mean better than you've historically eaten (including more than three months ago), or it could just mean better than Otis.

 

[Willie Neslon]

The note they sent with the test results say to eat better and retest again in 3 months. Eat better? Not possible.

"Better" doesn't necessarily mean better than you've eaten for the last three months. It could mean better than you've historically eaten (including more than three months ago), or it could just mean better than Otis.

Right. They do spell it out more than just "better" but i've been eating that way for some time now. Obviously they have no idea what my diet is or they wouldn't send that note. Would rather the note say "keep doing what you're doing" and we'll retest in 3 months. They did tell me to take the test and schedule an appointment (which I did for wednesday) so I'll call the office tomorrow to see what they want to do.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Was able to speak with the doctor this morning and was told retest 3 months from today. I asked if my LDL stayed at 126 would I have to go on medication and was told we'll cross that bridge then. My question is does anyone have an LDL under 100 without being on medication? All the research I have done says my LDL along with HDL and Tri's being where they are is no cause for concern but that cut and dry number of 100 seems to be a sticking point for some. Knowing what I know about my body's reaction to certain prescription drugs I want to avoid having to take this for the rest of my life. Yes, I know I can say no but would rather just get a clean bill of health.

 

[kupcho1]

Was able to speak with the doctor this morning and was told retest 3 months from today. I asked if my LDL stayed at 126 would I have to go on medication and was told we'll cross that bridge then. My question is does anyone have an LDL under 100 without being on medication? All the research I have done says my LDL along with HDL and Tri's being where they are is no cause for concern but that cut and dry number of 100 seems to be a sticking point for some. Knowing what I know about my body's reaction to certain prescription drugs I want to avoid having to take this for the rest of my life. Yes, I know I can say no but would rather just get a clean bill of health.

Then don't take it.

The medical community seems to be (slowly) waking up to the fact that statins are overprescribed and probably not worth taking in most cases.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Was able to speak with the doctor this morning and was told retest 3 months from today. I asked if my LDL stayed at 126 would I have to go on medication and was told we'll cross that bridge then. My question is does anyone have an LDL under 100 without being on medication? All the research I have done says my LDL along with HDL and Tri's being where they are is no cause for concern but that cut and dry number of 100 seems to be a sticking point for some. Knowing what I know about my body's reaction to certain prescription drugs I want to avoid having to take this for the rest of my life. Yes, I know I can say no but would rather just get a clean bill of health.

Then don't take it.

The medical community seems to be (slowly) waking up to the fact that statins are overprescribed and probably not worth taking in most cases.

It wasn't prescribed so I didn't have to make the decision. That said I would have a hard time going against the advice of someone who has been treating people for 35 years and doing it very well vs. anonymous people and random articles from the internet. Me wanting to avoid taking medication meant I was going to do everything I could in terms of diet and exercise first, not simply ignoring his advice.

 

[kupcho1]

Was able to speak with the doctor this morning and was told retest 3 months from today. I asked if my LDL stayed at 126 would I have to go on medication and was told we'll cross that bridge then. My question is does anyone have an LDL under 100 without being on medication? All the research I have done says my LDL along with HDL and Tri's being where they are is no cause for concern but that cut and dry number of 100 seems to be a sticking point for some. Knowing what I know about my body's reaction to certain prescription drugs I want to avoid having to take this for the rest of my life. Yes, I know I can say no but would rather just get a clean bill of health.

Then don't take it.

The medical community seems to be (slowly) waking up to the fact that statins are overprescribed and probably not worth taking in most cases.

It wasn't prescribed so I didn't have to make the decision. That said I would have a hard time going against the advice of someone who has been treating people for 35 years and doing it very well vs. anonymous people and random articles from the internet. Me wanting to avoid taking medication meant I was going to do everything I could in terms of diet and exercise first, not simply ignoring his advice.

Did you read the article I posted (a few posts up)? A doctor describes why he isn't going the statins route. Not quite a 'random' article, you may find it interesting.

In any case, I understand that many if not most people have a hard time saying no to a doctor (or other authority figures). But remember, your doctor works for you. Not everything they do or say is infallible. I happen to think that given my health and general situation (great health, non-smoker, in good shape/certainly not obese, no history of heart diseasein the family) I don't need to be on statins despite the fact that my cholesterol levels are above some arbitrary point, assuming that cholesterol levels mean anything in the first place (total, "good", "bad" or whatever).

I've said no now to 2 different doctors and on several occasions.

I have no interest in being on a medication I probably don't need for the rest of my life causing who knows what complications and side effects (e.g., liver issues, joint pain). YMMV

(Now, if you've had a heart attack, by all means go on whatever you feel you need to.)

 

[Willie Neslon]

Was able to speak with the doctor this morning and was told retest 3 months from today. I asked if my LDL stayed at 126 would I have to go on medication and was told we'll cross that bridge then. My question is does anyone have an LDL under 100 without being on medication? All the research I have done says my LDL along with HDL and Tri's being where they are is no cause for concern but that cut and dry number of 100 seems to be a sticking point for some. Knowing what I know about my body's reaction to certain prescription drugs I want to avoid having to take this for the rest of my life. Yes, I know I can say no but would rather just get a clean bill of health.

Then don't take it.

The medical community seems to be (slowly) waking up to the fact that statins are overprescribed and probably not worth taking in most cases.

It wasn't prescribed so I didn't have to make the decision. That said I would have a hard time going against the advice of someone who has been treating people for 35 years and doing it very well vs. anonymous people and random articles from the internet. Me wanting to avoid taking medication meant I was going to do everything I could in terms of diet and exercise first, not simply ignoring his advice.

Did you read the article I posted (a few posts up)? A doctor describes why he isn't going the statins route. Not quite a 'random' article, you may find it interesting.

In any case, I understand that many if not most people have a hard time saying no to a doctor (or other authority figures). But remember, your doctor works for you. Not everything they do or say is infallible. I happen to think that given my health and general situation (great health, non-smoker, in good shape/certainly not obese, no history of heart diseasein the family) I don't need to be on statins despite the fact that my cholesterol levels are above some arbitrary point, assuming that cholesterol levels mean anything in the first place (total, "good", "bad" or whatever).

I've said no now to 2 different doctors and on several occasions.

I have no interest in being on a medication I probably don't need for the rest of my life causing who knows what complications and side effects (e.g., liver issues, joint pain). YMMV

(Now, if you've had a heart attack, by all means go on whatever you feel you need to.)

Why even go to the doctor then? Just use google to figure it out. Yes, i've read your article and repetitive posts in this thread. I get it. i see how you feel. Of course I know i don't have to take anything or follow any advice. It has nothing to do with authority figures for me. It comes down to trust and I'm going to trust my doctor of 12 years (the best doctor I've ever had and I went through a bunch) over you or a random article you find on the internet. You can read all the literature on cholesterol you want but that doesn't make you an expert, it makes you a guy who read something on the internet. You want to say no to statins? By all means go for it. Maybe it'll work out for you. Good luck.

 

[Statcruncher]

Was able to speak with the doctor this morning and was told retest 3 months from today. I asked if my LDL stayed at 126 would I have to go on medication and was told we'll cross that bridge then. My question is does anyone have an LDL under 100 without being on medication? All the research I have done says my LDL along with HDL and Tri's being where they are is no cause for concern but that cut and dry number of 100 seems to be a sticking point for some. Knowing what I know about my body's reaction to certain prescription drugs I want to avoid having to take this for the rest of my life. Yes, I know I can say no but would rather just get a clean bill of health.

Then don't take it.

The medical community seems to be (slowly) waking up to the fact that statins are overprescribed and probably not worth taking in most cases.

It wasn't prescribed so I didn't have to make the decision. That said I would have a hard time going against the advice of someone who has been treating people for 35 years and doing it very well vs. anonymous people and random articles from the internet. Me wanting to avoid taking medication meant I was going to do everything I could in terms of diet and exercise first, not simply ignoring his advice.

Doctors used to advise smoking too. I know it seems counterintuitive, but doctors aren't always on the cutting edge of research. And there are times that they might have an incentive to do something that may not really be necessary. I think patients would be better off if they did more research on their health issues to make sure they understand and agree with their doctor.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Was able to speak with the doctor this morning and was told retest 3 months from today. I asked if my LDL stayed at 126 would I have to go on medication and was told we'll cross that bridge then. My question is does anyone have an LDL under 100 without being on medication? All the research I have done says my LDL along with HDL and Tri's being where they are is no cause for concern but that cut and dry number of 100 seems to be a sticking point for some. Knowing what I know about my body's reaction to certain prescription drugs I want to avoid having to take this for the rest of my life. Yes, I know I can say no but would rather just get a clean bill of health.

Then don't take it.

The medical community seems to be (slowly) waking up to the fact that statins are overprescribed and probably not worth taking in most cases.

It wasn't prescribed so I didn't have to make the decision. That said I would have a hard time going against the advice of someone who has been treating people for 35 years and doing it very well vs. anonymous people and random articles from the internet. Me wanting to avoid taking medication meant I was going to do everything I could in terms of diet and exercise first, not simply ignoring his advice.

Doctors used to advise smoking too. I know it seems counterintuitive, but doctors aren't always on the cutting edge of research. And there are times that they might have an incentive to do something that may not really be necessary. I think patients would be better off if they did more research on their health issues to make sure they understand and agree with their doctor.

I'm someone who got my cholesterol down by 1/3rd without medication and with my own research. My doctor did not prescribe anything. He simply told me this was something I needed to address. And I did. There is a difference between not wanting to take medication and simply ignoring the advice of your doctor. I feel some people would just rather find articles on the internet rather than even attempt to make personal changes. Kind of a willful ignorance. I am not someone who simply rolled over and started popping pills because a guy in a white robe said i should. I'm also not someone who simply brushed off his high ldl cholesterol because he read a blog.

 

[jamny]

I just got my results and had some questions.

LDL 180

HDL 75

Triglycerides 62

So my LDL is high but my HDL (good cholesterol) is very high and my triglycerides are very low. In doing some research I see high LDL bad but those other two markers are very good. My "ratios" look very good but should that LDL number scare me? I took the test the week after Thanksgiving when I ate terribly for about a week and a half. I could lose about 10 pounds and I am going to. Now my doctor giving me 3 months to eat better and if LDL doesn't improve then he will prescribe medication. I have to admit I am not too excited to go on medication and will do everything I can to lower the number. First my diet will improve. This fall i have fallen off the wagon and have eaten not too great. I exercise a lot but that LDL number has me concerned. That is the highest it has ever been by a good 40 points. MY BP was 117/78. No other issues. Thanks for the feedback.

I am currently on that 3 month watch with my doctor after hitting LDL 181 (up from 177, 6 months before) The holidays definitely suck so I'll probably push it to 4 months, early February. But outside of those couple of meals (and leftovers!), I'm going strict diet and exercise. Doing weights but need to do more cardio. Started taking the supplement CholestOff (look into plant stanols and sterols) eating oatmeat, veggies, fruits, nuts. I wish I liked walnuts, I have to figure a way to work them in. Cut most cheese. Too much alcohol still but I'll consider that down the line I'm not overweight at all.

I'm not expecting my numbers to be normal but I want to see a noticeable decrease. That might buy me another 3-6 months.

You know what you have to do. You have 3 months to do it.

I am not worried about the next 3 months but the period after that. It is like losing weight. Anybody can lose weight if they really want to but keeping it off forever is another story.

What is your HDL and Tri's? Those numbers for me are exceptional range and wondering if that makes by high LDL not as much to worry about.

Yeah, you're in better shape than me.

Tri - 98 (down from 134)

HDL - 50 (up from 47)

total - 251, same as last time

Got my results back. I took the test after 6 months, not the requested 3 months. Outside of adding more fiber, I didn't change my diet too much. In fact, it might have been slightly worse than what I was doing before my last test. I also have had a shoulder injury for the past 3 months which has really restricted my exercise and I was working out very regularly before my last test. The only real difference has been the CholestOff I've been taking since the last test.

Results:

HDL: (from 47 to 50) now - 55

LDL: (from 177 to 181) now - 131

Total: (251 both previous times) now - 201

Tri - (from 134 to 98) now - 74

Ratio - ( from 3.77 to 3.62) now - 2.38

Haven't spoken to the doctor, but got the message to continue diet and exercise and come back in 6 months.

Very happy with the results, especially if you consider that at one time my cholesterol was 340. Now that my shoulder is better, I hope to get back to regular exercise, tighten up my diet a bit and maybe cut my CholestOff in half and see how that goes for next time. Definitely going to look into the plant stanols and sterols that are in CholestOff since that really seems to be helping a lot.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I just got my results and had some questions.

LDL 180

HDL 75

Triglycerides 62

So my LDL is high but my HDL (good cholesterol) is very high and my triglycerides are very low. In doing some research I see high LDL bad but those other two markers are very good. My "ratios" look very good but should that LDL number scare me? I took the test the week after Thanksgiving when I ate terribly for about a week and a half. I could lose about 10 pounds and I am going to. Now my doctor giving me 3 months to eat better and if LDL doesn't improve then he will prescribe medication. I have to admit I am not too excited to go on medication and will do everything I can to lower the number. First my diet will improve. This fall i have fallen off the wagon and have eaten not too great. I exercise a lot but that LDL number has me concerned. That is the highest it has ever been by a good 40 points. MY BP was 117/78. No other issues. Thanks for the feedback.

I am currently on that 3 month watch with my doctor after hitting LDL 181 (up from 177, 6 months before) The holidays definitely suck so I'll probably push it to 4 months, early February. But outside of those couple of meals (and leftovers!), I'm going strict diet and exercise. Doing weights but need to do more cardio. Started taking the supplement CholestOff (look into plant stanols and sterols) eating oatmeat, veggies, fruits, nuts. I wish I liked walnuts, I have to figure a way to work them in. Cut most cheese. Too much alcohol still but I'll consider that down the line I'm not overweight at all.

I'm not expecting my numbers to be normal but I want to see a noticeable decrease. That might buy me another 3-6 months.

You know what you have to do. You have 3 months to do it.

I am not worried about the next 3 months but the period after that. It is like losing weight. Anybody can lose weight if they really want to but keeping it off forever is another story.

What is your HDL and Tri's? Those numbers for me are exceptional range and wondering if that makes by high LDL not as much to worry about.

Yeah, you're in better shape than me.

Tri - 98 (down from 134)

HDL - 50 (up from 47)

total - 251, same as last time

Got my results back. I took the test after 6 months, not the requested 3 months. Outside of adding more fiber, I didn't change my diet too much. In fact, it might have been slightly worse than what I was doing before my last test. I also have had a shoulder injury for the past 3 months which has really restricted my exercise and I was working out very regularly before my last test. The only real difference has been the CholestOff I've been taking since the last test.

Results:

HDL: (from 47 to 50) now - 55

LDL: (from 177 to 181) now - 131

Total: (251 both previous times) now - 201

Tri - (from 134 to 98) now - 74

Ratio - ( from 3.77 to 3.62) now - 2.38

Haven't spoken to the doctor, but got the message to continue diet and exercise and come back in 6 months.

Very happy with the results, especially if you consider that at one time my cholesterol was 340. Now that my shoulder is better, I hope to get back to regular exercise, tighten up my diet a bit and maybe cut my CholestOff in half and see how that goes for next time. Definitely going to look into the plant stanols and sterols that are in CholestOff since that really seems to be helping a lot.

Congrats, man. That's great. Why would you cut the cholestoff dose?

 

[jamny]

Congrats, man. That's great. Why would you cut the cholestoff dose?

Thx!

From what I've read, the recommended amount is around 1800mg/day. There's no added benefit to taking more than that, so that's 2 pills twice a day. I haven't looked into the plant stanols and sterols since I started taking this, so maybe there's more info on it now. I'm hoping to find maybe some vegetables or nuts/berries that contain it (or other products) that will allow me to cut the pills in half. I might not, just need to do some research. They're a little expensive so I wouldn't mind cutting the price in half.

 

[jamny]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

 

[jamny]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

 

[jamny]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

Def. not for you then.

 

[kupcho1]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

Truth. Killed my stomach, constant nausea. The decreased libido a fairly common reaction to the plant sterols.

 

[jamny]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

Truth. Killed my stomach, constant nausea. The decreased libido a fairly common reaction to the plant sterols.

It's actually fairly rare from what I've read. And I would imagine that over the course of weeks or months, not 3 pills.

But who knows...

 

[Willie Neslon]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

Truth. Killed my stomach, constant nausea. The decreased libido a fairly common reaction to the plant sterols.

It's actually fairly rare from what I've read. And I would imagine that over the course of weeks or months, not 3 pills.

But who knows...

It was noticeable right away, night of first pill. Usually that stuff is well tolerated, no side effects. I guess what I meant to say is that of the side effects it's a fairly common one. More common than most.

One of the biggest benefits to Cholestoff Complete is that its natural product is not associated with some of the side effects that are very common with popular lipid lowering medications. Many of these drugs, like statins, can lead to bothersome adverse effects like pain in the muscles and even sometimes liver damage. There are also other side effects to using lipid lowering medications, like skin problems such as flushing, issues with the digestive system and feelings of weakness and fatigue. Cholestoff Complete is not known to bear serious side effects like many high cholesterol medications are. However, sharecare.com does point out that some users have experienced mild adverse reactions while using the supplement. Some users have reported digestive upset, nausea and heartburn as well. Additionally, some sexual side effects have been noted, like erectile dysfunction and a decrease in sex drive when using plant sterol and stanol based products.

 

[kupcho1]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

Truth. Killed my stomach, constant nausea. The decreased libido a fairly common reaction to the plant sterols.

But the cholesterol is down right?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

Truth. Killed my stomach, constant nausea. The decreased libido a fairly common reaction to the plant sterols.

But the cholesterol is down right?

Yeah. What's funny?

 

[jamny]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

Truth. Killed my stomach, constant nausea. The decreased libido a fairly common reaction to the plant sterols.

It's actually fairly rare from what I've read. And I would imagine that over the course of weeks or months, not 3 pills.

But who knows...

It was noticeable right away, night of first pill. Usually that stuff is well tolerated, no side effects. I guess what I meant to say is that of the side effects it's a fairly common one. More common than most.

One of the biggest benefits to Cholestoff Complete is that its natural product is not associated with some of the side effects that are very common with popular lipid lowering medications. Many of these drugs, like statins, can lead to bothersome adverse effects like pain in the muscles and even sometimes liver damage. There are also other side effects to using lipid lowering medications, like skin problems such as flushing, issues with the digestive system and feelings of weakness and fatigue. Cholestoff Complete is not known to bear serious side effects like many high cholesterol medications are. However, sharecare.com does point out that some users have experienced mild adverse reactions while using the supplement. Some users have reported digestive upset, nausea and heartburn as well. Additionally, some sexual side effects have been noted, like erectile dysfunction and a decrease in sex drive when using plant sterol and stanol based products.

It says some, not fairly common or even common.

Where do you get more common than most?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Seems like I'd have to eat 37 oranges a day just to cut my Cholestoff in half.

And that's the problem I remember now from when I first started looking into it. Phytosterols are in a lot of foods, just at very, very low amounts.

I wish I could tolerate it. May give is another go soon. Since I've broken my elbow my exercise has ceased completely and my diet has gone down the tubes.

I only took one twice a day for the first month or so.

I only took one each day for 3 days. Just felt awful, killed sex drive.

Truth. Killed my stomach, constant nausea. The decreased libido a fairly common reaction to the plant sterols.

It's actually fairly rare from what I've read. And I would imagine that over the course of weeks or months, not 3 pills.

But who knows...

It was noticeable right away, night of first pill. Usually that stuff is well tolerated, no side effects. I guess what I meant to say is that of the side effects it's a fairly common one. More common than most.

One of the biggest benefits to Cholestoff Complete is that its natural product is not associated with some of the side effects that are very common with popular lipid lowering medications. Many of these drugs, like statins, can lead to bothersome adverse effects like pain in the muscles and even sometimes liver damage. There are also other side effects to using lipid lowering medications, like skin problems such as flushing, issues with the digestive system and feelings of weakness and fatigue. Cholestoff Complete is not known to bear serious side effects like many high cholesterol medications are. However, sharecare.com does point out that some users have experienced mild adverse reactions while using the supplement. Some users have reported digestive upset, nausea and heartburn as well. Additionally, some sexual side effects have been noted, like erectile dysfunction and a decrease in sex drive when using plant sterol and stanol based products.

It says some, not fairly common or even common.

Where do you get more common than most?

More common than say nose bleeds, blurred vision, kidney failure, heart arrhythmia, etc, etc. They only mention a few side effects there and decreased sex drive is one of them.

 

[jamny]

Just because a product lists very few side effects doesn't mean the ones they do mention are more common. I seriously doubt you'd be able to notice an effect on sex drive after 3 days, especially if you were having stomach issues at the time. Like I said, I'd imagine a change like that would take weeks at the least to be noticeable. Unless you're saying you instantly couldn't get it up without any issue before.

Whatever...I've had no ill effects and will continue to recommend it instead of medication.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Just because a product lists very few side effects doesn't mean the ones they do mention are more common. I seriously doubt you'd be able to notice an effect on sex drive after 3 days, especially if you were having stomach issues at the time. Like I said, I'd imagine a change like that would take weeks at the least to be noticeable. Unless you're saying you instantly couldn't get it up without any issue before.

Whatever...I've had no ill effects and will continue to recommend it instead of medication.

We're saying two different things. Yes, most people don't have side effects. For the very few who do, ED is not uncommon. I'm not saying it's a common side effect for most people who use it. And I did notice right away. I felt awful soon after taking it. I'm sensitive to certain meds, I'm not the norm. You should absolutely keep taking it and recommending it to people. It works. I wish I could tolerate it.

 

[Lehigh98]

Just got back my latest test results, and set a 5 year record high...

HDL: 65

LDL: 152

Total: 242

Tri: 125

Ratio: 3.7

Follow up scheduled with doctor on Monday, guessing I'll be getting some drugs.

What's the goto nowadays? Still Lipitor?

For background, I've lost over 10 lbs since the first of the year through diet and excercise.

I haven't eaten a french fry over that time and just ran a half marathon a couple weekends ago.

I'm 6'0" and about 180 lbs.

From June 2013 to Nov 2013 I excercised alot and was very careful with diet, took fiber, some type of yeast pills, and total went up 30 points. Was close to getting a prescription at that point but then total dropped for no reason (June 2014) and held off.

Month: HDL / LDL / Total / Tri / ratio

2010-May: 52 / 155 / 221 / 68 / 4.25

2011-May: 62 / 144 / 220 / 71 / 3.5

2012-Jan: 59 / 147 / 220 / 72 / 3.7

2012-Jul: 65 / 151 / 238 / 110 / 3.7

2013-Mar: 61 / 151 / 225 / 66 / 3.7

2013-Jun: 46 / 145 / 208 / 84 / 4.5

2013-Nov: 59 / 167 / 239 / 63 / 4.1

2014-Jun: 56 / 125 / 199 / 89 / 3.6

2014-Nov: 61 / 155 / 233 / 87 / 3.7

2015-May: 65 / 152 / 242 / 125 / 3.7

WTF do I do here?...

 

[Lehigh98]

Crap, looking up info and it say alcohol could have raised triglycerides.

I did 12 hour fast before the last test but just saw you're not supposed to have alcohol for 24 hours before test.

Wonder if that one beer 12 hours before effected the result.

 

[kupcho1]

WTF do I do here?...

Have you had a heart attack?

History of heart disease in the family?

Are you morbidly obese (seems like 'no')

Do you smoke?

If you answer yes to any of these you might want to do something. Address the ones you can (obesity, smoking)

If you've had a heart attack, or history in the family you may want to consider medication.

If not, up to you. You can take pills and spin the wheel on whether experience joint pain, kidney problems, erectile disfunction, nose bleeds, blurred vision, heart arrhythmia .. the list goes on, singly or in combination.

Me? I don't risk the unintended consequences of taking medication I'm not sure serves any purpose.

Of course, YMMV

 

[ArbyMelt]

Just got back my latest test results, and set a 5 year record high...

HDL: 65

LDL: 152

Total: 242

Tri: 125

Ratio: 3.7

Follow up scheduled with doctor on Monday, guessing I'll be getting some drugs.

What's the goto nowadays? Still Lipitor?

For background, I've lost over 10 lbs since the first of the year through diet and excercise.

I haven't eaten a french fry over that time and just ran a half marathon a couple weekends ago.

I'm 6'0" and about 180 lbs.

From June 2013 to Nov 2013 I excercised alot and was very careful with diet, took fiber, some type of yeast pills, and total went up 30 points. Was close to getting a prescription at that point but then total dropped for no reason (June 2014) and held off.

Month: HDL / LDL / Total / Tri / ratio

2010-May: 52 / 155 / 221 / 68 / 4.25

2011-May: 62 / 144 / 220 / 71 / 3.5

2012-Jan: 59 / 147 / 220 / 72 / 3.7

2012-Jul: 65 / 151 / 238 / 110 / 3.7

2013-Mar: 61 / 151 / 225 / 66 / 3.7

2013-Jun: 46 / 145 / 208 / 84 / 4.5

2013-Nov: 59 / 167 / 239 / 63 / 4.1

2014-Jun: 56 / 125 / 199 / 89 / 3.6

2014-Nov: 61 / 155 / 233 / 87 / 3.7

2015-May: 65 / 152 / 242 / 125 / 3.7

WTF do I do here?...

Your HDL is very good (it goes up with exercise). The most important ratio (and best indicator of heart disease) is Tri/HDL ... you really want that under 2, so you are fine. I would not go on medication if I was you, must IMO. Maybe cut some carbs to lower that Triglycerids a bit. The LDL may not be too bad, really depends on the LDL particle breakdown - other tests for that.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Just got back my latest test results, and set a 5 year record high...

HDL: 65

LDL: 152

Total: 242

Tri: 125

Ratio: 3.7

Follow up scheduled with doctor on Monday, guessing I'll be getting some drugs.

What's the goto nowadays? Still Lipitor?

For background, I've lost over 10 lbs since the first of the year through diet and excercise.

I haven't eaten a french fry over that time and just ran a half marathon a couple weekends ago.

I'm 6'0" and about 180 lbs.

From June 2013 to Nov 2013 I excercised alot and was very careful with diet, took fiber, some type of yeast pills, and total went up 30 points. Was close to getting a prescription at that point but then total dropped for no reason (June 2014) and held off.

Month: HDL / LDL / Total / Tri / ratio

2010-May: 52 / 155 / 221 / 68 / 4.25

2011-May: 62 / 144 / 220 / 71 / 3.5

2012-Jan: 59 / 147 / 220 / 72 / 3.7

2012-Jul: 65 / 151 / 238 / 110 / 3.7

2013-Mar: 61 / 151 / 225 / 66 / 3.7

2013-Jun: 46 / 145 / 208 / 84 / 4.5

2013-Nov: 59 / 167 / 239 / 63 / 4.1

2014-Jun: 56 / 125 / 199 / 89 / 3.6

2014-Nov: 61 / 155 / 233 / 87 / 3.7

2015-May: 65 / 152 / 242 / 125 / 3.7

WTF do I do here?...

I'd really focus on eliminating anything with hydrogenated oils. I was surprised when I saw that I was consuming them in things I thought were healthy. I can't recommend that Blendtec enough either. Yes, any booze even a week or so out from the test can affect the results.

 

[Don Quixote]

I haven't posted in here, but I've been on Crestor for a few years now. Taken my LDLs down over 100 points in that time (I was over 200, and now around 90). Tri/HDL both better too. I'm someone who is purely genetic. My dad passed away of a heart attack at 49. I've consistently weighed about 150-155 pounds, and exercise and eat well; I haven't really changed those habits. I'm not sure how Crestor compares to Lipitor (doctor told me Crestor was better), but I haven't had any side effects.

 

[jamny]

I never cut back on alcohol, even shared a bottle of wine the night before the test. I figure I want it to be an accurate test so why change.

 

[Lehigh98]

Just got back my latest test results, and set a 5 year record high...

HDL: 65

LDL: 152

Total: 242

Tri: 125

Ratio: 3.7

Follow up scheduled with doctor on Monday, guessing I'll be getting some drugs.

What's the goto nowadays? Still Lipitor?

For background, I've lost over 10 lbs since the first of the year through diet and excercise.

I haven't eaten a french fry over that time and just ran a half marathon a couple weekends ago.

I'm 6'0" and about 180 lbs.

From June 2013 to Nov 2013 I excercised alot and was very careful with diet, took fiber, some type of yeast pills, and total went up 30 points. Was close to getting a prescription at that point but then total dropped for no reason (June 2014) and held off.

Month: HDL / LDL / Total / Tri / ratio

2010-May: 52 / 155 / 221 / 68 / 4.25

2011-May: 62 / 144 / 220 / 71 / 3.5

2012-Jan: 59 / 147 / 220 / 72 / 3.7

2012-Jul: 65 / 151 / 238 / 110 / 3.7

2013-Mar: 61 / 151 / 225 / 66 / 3.7

2013-Jun: 46 / 145 / 208 / 84 / 4.5

2013-Nov: 59 / 167 / 239 / 63 / 4.1

2014-Jun: 56 / 125 / 199 / 89 / 3.6

2014-Nov: 61 / 155 / 233 / 87 / 3.7

2015-May: 65 / 152 / 242 / 125 / 3.7

WTF do I do here?...

The doc gave me a prescription for Zedia but not sure I'm going to fill it, mixed reviews...

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drugreview-64336-Zetia+oral.aspx?drugid=64336&drugname=Zetia+oral

 

[lod01]

A friend of mine started popping 2 red yeast rice pills every morning and his cholesterol level dropped 100 points. Considering doing the same and see what happens. I'm already on BP medicine and am now using Apple Cidar Vinegar which is supposed to take care of blood sugar levels and may even take care of blood pressure issues. We shall see.

Couldn't piss at all and they tried flowmax. That messed up my sinuses. Can't counter act that with a decongestant because that messed up my pissing. Read about Saw Palmetto Pills. I pop 3 a day and they work.

Saw Palmetto works. 3 a day works fine. I know 4 works even better. Makes me question these drugs when viable solutions are out there without all the toxins and side effects.

Red Yeast Rice + Saw Palmetto + Apple Cidar Vinegar or cholesterol pill + Flow MAx pill + possible blood sugar level pill.

Yeah, #### that.