dickey moe
Fingerpicker
...Doug Martin.
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Just had our rookie draft and look who went at 1.01... (1 Viewer)
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I was in the pool
Footballguy
I am sure it won't be the only one....
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I wonder if Luck or RG3 will go #1 in any 6 pt. passing TD leagues...
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
So is Doug Martin generating the type of trade interest in PPR leagues that Richardson seems to be generating (some of the offers I've seen for Richardson in some of the trade threads are pretty sick).
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
Wouldn't mind to have the 1.4 if that keeps happening. I just did a mock tonight and Richardson lasted until early 4th, just a week ago he was going late 1st early 2nd. The knee scope has people worried, and rightfully so but in a dynasty I would still take him as the 1st RB off the board.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
How is that? Richardson is the better pass catching back.
Dutch Kincade
Footballguy
Can you post the rest of the draft?
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Assuming a dynasty league, I'd think I'm the luckiest guy on the planet if I'm picking #2.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
RBs go heavy in this league. Here's round 1:10 Turbin, Robert (RB SEA)9 Wright, Kendall(WR TEN)8 Blackmon, Justin (WR JAC)7 Fleener, Coby (TE IND)6 Hillman, Ronnie (RB DEN)5 Wilson, David (RB NYG)4 Luck, Andrew (QB IND)3 Griffin III, Robert (QB WAS)2 Richardson, Trent (RB CLE)1 Martin, Doug (RB TB)
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
RBs typically go early in this league. Here's round 1:10 Turbin, Robert (RB SEA)9 Wright, Kendall(WR TEN)8 Blackmon, Justin (WR JAC)7 Fleener, Coby (TE IND)6 Hillman, Ronnie (RB DEN)5 Wilson, David (RB NYG)4 Luck, Andrew (QB IND)3 Griffin III, Robert (QB WAS)2 Richardson, Trent (RB CLE)1 Martin, Doug (RB TB)
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jurb26
Footballguy
Wow, 1st WR goes 8.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Love opinions spoken as facts.Trent Richardson has a chance to become the next Adrian Peterson, or the next Jim Brown.Doug Martin, if everything falls his way, may one day be mentioned in the same breath with Cedric Benson.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I think most people are undervaluing Blount, as well. I just have a hunch he's going to to better this year than many think. He has the talent and if he puts his head on straight then he can be a beast. I'm not too comfy with either Martin or Blount at this point in TB. For a rookie draft I'd still take Martin high - just not sure about #1.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And AFTER Fleener...
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Have you read anything on Trent Richardson before the surgery news? Guy has a bust made in Canton alreadyLove opinions spoken as facts.
Slider
Footballguy
2, 4 and 9 did well.
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Footballguy
The guys who do this have probably had 1.1 many years in a row. Dropping a player who is the biggest no brainer 1.1 in dynasty rookie drafts over a 2 week hiccup done as a precaution during a meaningless time of year. Smart move by Browns/Richardson and a really dumb, overreacting, reminisint of yahoo newbie move. Dumb, Dumb and Stupid.'dickey moe said:
bengalbuck
Footballguy
Yep, couldn't agree more. Even if you really did feel so strongly that Richardson wasn't worth taking #1, you should at least be able to get value for trading the pick that is in excess of Doug Martin. I like Richardson as a mid-late 1st rounder in a dynasty startup. Martin is probably a mid-3rd or so. If you're low on Richardson, you could still easily trade the pick for a guy who is a 2nd rounder in a dynasty startup. Definitely a panic type move.
Why is it automatically "stupid" that a fantasy owner may value Martin over Richardson? I think some of you are forgetting that Richardson plays for Cleveland. Although they have some new personnel, this has probably been the single worst offensive unit in the NFL over the past five years. If a team is loading the box with eight or nine guys every play because they have no semblance of a passing game, T-Rich is in trouble.
That said, I still like him better in a dynasty league. Just saying it's not outrageous by any means.
That said, I still like him better in a dynasty league. Just saying it's not outrageous by any means.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I agree. I took Mendenhall over Chris Johnson because it what I was "supposed to do", though I kept thinking I was making the wrong choice. I also don't think it's necessarily foolish in a dynasty league to take Luck or RG3 1st overall if passing TDs are worth 6 points. QBs have a longer shelf life etc.
Thank you. Let's also not forget that Richardson is a bruising-style running back with two knee operations on his resume already.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Preferring Martin to Richardson isn't absurd. I disagree, but the position isn't totally unreasonable.Drafting Martin #1, as opposed to trading out of that spot, is still absolutely stupid considering the king's ransom you can get right now.
Cato
Footballguy
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. If your personal value on a player is lower then market value, then sell him. If your personal value on a player is higher then market value, then buy him. To not move down one slot for anything at all, is a wasted opportunity. His call may be right in the long term, but he missed on not playing the current market value.(To be fair perhaps he tried to trade and couldn't, though it still seems short-sighted potentially.)
Shane Falco
Footballguy
'Ketamine Dreams said:
you keeping saying that but I'm not sure why. 6 or 4 or 3, it doesn't really matter
Shutout
Footballguy
Exactly. Let's assume the guy at #1 is 100% correct. He still, at the very least should have picked up a little "sweetner" on the way down to the #2 spot and made the guy coming up feel good about it.Instead, he now has nothing but his high hopes, big gamble, and he likely owes the #2 drafter a paid hospital bill because I'm sure #2 broke his finger hitting the draft button after he saw that pick.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Because it does matter. I used to believe it didn't, but it does. Say you have two QBs, and one throws for 30 TDs, and one for 40 TDs, but they both throw for the same yardage, INTs, etc. The difference is 10 TDs. Now in 4 pt. per TD passing leagues that's 40 points. (Over 16 games that's 2.5 ppg.) In 6 pt. per passing TD leagues that's 60 points or 3.75 ppg. The scoring of the rest of your team doesn't change. Take it to the next level. Say passing TDs are 10 points. Now the difference between those QBs over a season is 100 points or 6.25 ppg. The gap between starting QBs has changed. The higher scoring QB is MORE valuable as the gaps between their scoring widens. It doesn't matter why the scoring is more, but that it is more.
Mendenhall and Chris johnson were drafted within one spot of each other, 23 and 24. Neither was thought of as clearly better then the other when they were drafted.There is a big difference in perceived talent between a top 5 pick (where a player has to be projected as being an elite talent) and guys drafted in the mid/late 1st round.Of course things don't always work out as projected, but to ignore every NFL front office and respectable scout and pass over a guy who was considered a top 5 overall talent in the entire draft for a guy who was thought of as a late 1st/2nd round talent who plays the same position is ridiculous.Even if it works out that Martin does better at this time it is a major major mistake taking him over Trent.Basically taking Martin over Trent is agreeing to play a pair of 2's vs aces face up and hoping you hit your 20% shot and thinking you're a genius when you win, when in reality you were being an idiot.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I agree with your conclusion, but this is flawed process. Richardson might be a better NFL RB than Martin while still being inferior in FF. Their FF value also depends on how one feels about the ability of the Browns / Bucs to provide red zone opps, competition, and a slew of other stuff beyond just raw talent.Put Martin in GB at the end of the 1st, in a great offense with zero competition, and suddenly it's a tough decision IMO.
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Shane Falco
Footballguy
(Over 16 games that's 2.5 ppg.) unless its a total points league it really doesn't matter
I think Martin could end up being the next Ray Rice. Would you rather have Rice or Peterson in fantasy leagues? And the guy saying Martin's absolute ceiling is Cedric Benson? That is awesome.Now I wouldn't take Martin at #1, I'd trade down a spot if possible, but I don't see it as quite the epic fail others seem to think it is.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Uhhh... yeah. I'm pretty sure weekly point differential does in fact matter in pretty much any scoring system I've ever seen.
Unless you believe Martin will be an elite FF RB (and soon) it makes no sense to take him #1. You're flushing all value down the toilet. If you think Richardson is overrated then trade the pick. Plenty of people love Richardson. You could get a good package of players/picks for the 1.1, much better than only Doug Martin.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I was surprised the owner picked Martin over Richardson -- he's played for several years in several of the leagues I'm in (this particular league is a 3rd year dynasty league) and he frankly should have known better but maybe the medical procedure Richardson had recently scared him off. Out of curiosity I should probably ask him. I had let him know I was interested in the 1.01 pick, but he wasn't interested in trading it away. I had the 1.06 and was bummed that Wilson went right before me, so I had to resort to taking Hillman, who I thought was the next best RB prospect (I'm weak at RB but deep at WR in this league).This is a PPR, 6PT passing TD league BTW.
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FatFast
Footballguy
Rookie drafts are a crap-shoot at best, even if you traded down from the #1 slot. Both backs are good, with totally different running styles. The question I would ask, is which back will be more steady throughout the years. (Assuming we are talking dynasty)
Richardsons bruising style or Martins low slashing pad level. Pick your poison... Many compare Richardson to AP - but I don't recall AP coming out of college with banged up knees. It was his collerbone everyone was talking about. So I am a little leary of Richardsons style & those knees.
Martin had a knee injury as well when a player rolled up the back of his leg last year. This cost Martin a game or two...We have all heard of the Ray Rice comparisons, but I see a young Frank Gore without the major knee issues.
Only time will tell, but I don't think picking Martin with the 1st pick is a bad move.
Richardsons bruising style or Martins low slashing pad level. Pick your poison... Many compare Richardson to AP - but I don't recall AP coming out of college with banged up knees. It was his collerbone everyone was talking about. So I am a little leary of Richardsons style & those knees.
Martin had a knee injury as well when a player rolled up the back of his leg last year. This cost Martin a game or two...We have all heard of the Ray Rice comparisons, but I see a young Frank Gore without the major knee issues.
Only time will tell, but I don't think picking Martin with the 1st pick is a bad move.
