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zed2283

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I remarked to my buddy a couple of weeks ago that there must be helium in the K ball. There have been so many super long distance kicks made, and the kickers look to be kicking 60+ FGs without even swinging hard.

Well in a game today (Carolina?) the team had no timeouts left at the end of the half and had to run the FG team out as time was expiring for a 58-yard attempt. I have to admit that I was a little surprised when the kick fell about 4 yards short. Then the announcer commented that with the fast attempt with time running, there was no way to substitute out for the K ball.

🤔
 
New rule this year about the K-balls. Teams now get to break them in all week, they get a new set on Mondays. Used to be they got 'em right out of the box 90 minutes before game time and could barely break them in. Now each ball gets seasoned just right by the equipment managers and then used for 100+ practice kicks before Sunday.
 
New rule this year about the K-balls. Teams now get to break them in all week, they get a new set on Mondays. Used to be they got 'em right out of the box 90 minutes before game time and could barely break them in. Now each ball gets seasoned just right by the equipment managers and then used for 100+ practice kicks before Sunday.

Yep. I always do this, but with humility because it didn't stick regardless, so it’s actually even a bit embarrassing more than anything. I kicked in college for an NCAA D1-AA (FCS) university for a bit. The practice balls are so beat up that you can bang monstrous field goals if you allow yourself or the team to break the balls in; or if they give Special Teams the used ones because it costs a bunch of money to have guys kicking new footballs that the QB is supposed to take reps and practice with, so they let the QB have the nice ones and the kickers get those k balls and they're recycled around. Anyway, during tryouts I kicked a sixty-yard field goal to my own surprise and amazement. Yeah, that sounds crazy, but it isn't. Trust me. If you played soccer at any sort of reasonably good level—and again humility, but I played soccer in high school and we were excellent, but frankly I . . . well, I started, but if we keep it a buck, I was ***. But I can kick a ball quite naturally and far enough, and so it was. If you seriously doubt me, check the kid on the Pat McAfee show from Vanderbilt who just won a bunch of money recently by kicking a field goal on campus—only don’t check the shenanigans in the celebration, and forget about the money—look at how he killed the ball. It was a damn moonshot, and I don't think he was a kicker.

So I had gone to boarding school to play hockey as a post-graduate (it's a Northeast thing) after my soccer-playing days in high school were done, and I can tell you that's when I learned the difference between practice balls and game balls. They were noticeably different back then, but the game balls weren't bricks like the stories would have you believe. In fact, they were leather and fully pumped-up, but nothing absurd because quarterbacks had to grip the darn thing and throw it once every ten or so running plays, and as a kicker, you were good to go for the most part. I didn't get much of a chance to attempt many field goals that year because we were a decent-sized boarding school, but there wasn't a dedicated long snapper there. Everybody doubled up, and so we lost our first long snapper in our first game to injury, and the other guy who could do it was a TE who got blood clots after our third game and wound up out for the year, so we were sort of a mish-mash specialist operation and we gutted it out all year with a third guy snapping and some weird results.

The weirdest (well, the worst) was when we lost a game 13-12 even though we scored two touchdowns because our first XP snap went (WHOA!) over my head and my new buddy, the QB’s head also. I ran back and grabbed the ball and proceeded to roll out and heave it, but alas, it sailed on me a bit, and worse, some charging defensive lineman had leveled me hit-'em-up style, sending me into my momentum and face first onto the field as my throw actually got to the end zone and to a guy that had broken from TE, or the edge, or whatever it was called, only he was out of bounds and had bobbled it in addition to his unfortunate location. So we lost that game and we’re all in an all-school assembly on Thursday, and they read the score out loud to everybody because they’re recapping athletic accomplishments the prior day, and they say the score and then something about the two touchdowns, and they think they're doing a good thing by praising the effort and the guys who scored while I'm like, "WTF?!!! We had a bad snap on one and went for two to win it on the next one, and you're selling me out in front of C__ model agency's own D___ A____ sitting right next to me here, who now is mentally taking goalpost notes (or so I imagined) and making calculations in her head, and so she must think I can't kick a freaking ball twenty yards in the air and WHAT IN THE GOD FORSAKEN PURGATORY OF DANTE ALIGHIERI IS THIS ISH?!"

So anyway, I got my PG certificate and went to university and those practice balls I mentioned, if you kick them enough, eventually soften to a butter-like leather, and this school I was attending was one that belonged to a conference that had no scholarships (one of the two I-AA or FCS conferences that did this ca. 1992), but financial aid is tied to your sport if you do have that going on, so I'm nailing the aforementioned sixty-yarder in tryouts, and I look at the other kickers naively thinking they'll be happy or impressed I can do this, and they give me a collective grunt and just ignore me entirely, and I was like, “Ohhh, I dig,” but our kicking room, despite the constant uproarious encouragement, laughter, and positivity was not good at all that year in terms of kicking the football between the goalposts, so I made the team and stayed for like a month and a half until I realized that everybody (including the kickers) hated kickers no matter what, and I missed both home and hockey; and since the hockey was Division I and I wasn't going to walk-on at my school (team composition isn't completely open and merit-based because of that financial aid system and the promises made and depended upon, and I would have been pretty damn marginal regardless, but the 3rd and 4th lines weren't exactly awesome, I have to say). So instead I joined the club team, and once I decided to do that I just up and left the football team and that was it for me and my life's foray into football.

But yeah, you can hit a field goal from some serious distance if you get those kicking balls right.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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New rule this year about the K-balls. Teams now get to break them in all week, they get a new set on Mondays. Used to be they got 'em right out of the box 90 minutes before game time and could barely break them in. Now each ball gets seasoned just right by the equipment managers and then used for 100+ practice kicks before Sunday.

Yep. I always do this, but with humility because it didn't stick regardless, so it’s actually even a bit embarrassing more than anything. I kicked in college for an NCAA D1-AA (FCS) university for a bit. The practice balls are so beat up that you can bang monstrous field goals if you allow yourself or the team to break the balls in; or if they give Special Teams the used ones because it costs a bunch of money to have guys kicking new footballs that the QB is supposed to take reps and practice with, so they let the QB have the nice ones and the kickers get those k balls and they're recycled around. Anyway, during tryouts I kicked a sixty-yard field goal to my own surprise and amazement. Yeah, that sounds crazy, but it isn't. Trust me. If you played soccer at any sort of reasonably good level—and again humility, but I played soccer in high school and we were excellent, but frankly I . . . well, I started, but if we're gonna be a buck, I was ***. But I can kick a ball quite naturally and far enough, and so it was. If you seriously doubt me, check the kid on the Pat McAfee show from Vanderbilt who just won a bunch of money recently by kicking a field goal on campus—only don’t check the shenanigans in the celebration, and forget about the money—look at how he killed the ball. It was a damn moonshot, and I don't think he was a kicker.

So I had gone to boarding school to play hockey as a post-graduate (it's a Northeast thing) after my soccer-playing days in high school were done, and I can tell you that's when I learned the difference between practice balls and game balls, or they were different back then, but the game balls weren't bricks like the stories would have you believe. In fact, they were leather and fully pumped-up, but nothing absurd because quarterbacks have to grip the darn thing and throw it once every ten or so running plays, and as a kicker, you were good to go for the most part. I didn't get much of a chance to attempt many field goals that year because we were a decent-sized boarding school, and there wasn't a dedicated long snapper there. Everybody doubled up, and so we lost our first long snapper in our first game to injury, and the other guy who could do it was a TE who got blood clots after our third game and wound up out for the year, so we were sort of a mish-mash specialist operation and we gutted it out all year with a third guy snapping and some weird results.

The weirdest (well, the worst) was when we lost a game 13-12 even though we scored two touchdowns because our first XP snap went (WHOA!) over my head and my new buddy, the QB’s head also. I ran back and grabbed the ball and proceeded to roll out and heave it, but alas, it sailed on me a bit, and worse, some charging defensive lineman had leveled me hit-'em-up style, sending me into my momentum and face first onto the field as my throw actually got to the end zone and to a guy that had broken from TE, or the edge, or whatever it was called, only he was out of bounds and had bobbled it in addition to his unfortunate location. So we lost that game and we’re all in an all-school assembly on Thursday, and they read the score out loud to everybody because they’re recapping athletic accomplishments the prior day, and they say the score and then something about the two touchdowns, and they think they're doing a good thing by praising the effort and the guys who scored while I'm like, "WTF?!!! We had a bad snap on one and went for two to win it on the next one, and you're selling me out in front of C__ model agency's own D___ A____ sitting right next to me here, who now is mentally taking goalpost notes (or so I imagined) and making calculations in her head, and so she must think I can't kick a freaking ball twenty yards in the air and WHAT IN THE GOD FORSAKEN PURGATORY OF DANTE ALIGHIERI IS THIS ISH!"

So anyway, I got my PG certificate and went to university and those practice balls I mentioned, if you kick them enough, eventually soften to a butter-like leather, and this school I was attending was one that belonged to a conference that had no scholarships (one of the two I-AA or FCS conferences that did this ca. 1992), but financial aid is tied to your sport if you do have that going on, so I'm nailing the aforementioned sixty-yarder in tryouts, and I look at the other kickers naively thinking they'll be happy or impressed I can do this, and they give me a collective grunt and just ignore me entirely, and I was like, “Ohhh, I dig,” but our kicking room, despite the constant uproarious encouragement, laughter, and positivity was not good at all that year in terms of kicking the football between the goalposts, so I made the team and stayed for like a month and a half until I realized that everybody (including he kickers) hated kickers no matter what; and I missed both home and hockey, and since the hockey was Division I and I wasn't going to walk-on at my school (it's not merit-based at all places because of that financial aid system and the promises made and depended upon, and I would have been pretty damn marginal regardless, but the 3rd and 4th lines weren't exactly awesome, I have to say). So instead I joined the club team, and once I decided to do that I just up and left the football team and that was that for me and my foray into playing the sport.

But yeah, you can hit a field goal from some serious distance if you get those kicking balls right.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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New rule this year about the K-balls. Teams now get to break them in all week, they get a new set on Mondays. Used to be they got 'em right out of the box 90 minutes before game time and could barely break them in. Now each ball gets seasoned just right by the equipment managers and then used for 100+ practice kicks before Sunday.
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I remarked to my buddy a couple of weeks ago that there must be helium in the K ball. There have been so many super long distance kicks made, and the kickers look to be kicking 60+ FGs without even swinging hard.

Well in a game today (Carolina?) the team had no timeouts left at the end of the half and had to run the FG team out as time was expiring for a 58-yard attempt. I have to admit that I was a little surprised when the kick fell about 4 yards short. Then the announcer commented that with the fast attempt with time running, there was no way to substitute out for the K ball.

🤔
That would be Cairo Santos (Chicago) and his toddler strength leg. It wasn't about the ball, it was about how weak legged he's been since coming into the league.
 
I played a pretty decent level of football (what you guys would call soccer) here in the UK - I still play, not the level I used to - and kicking any ball 50 yards is not really a challenge, it certainly shouldn't be for a young, well practised professional at the top of their sport. Obviously the timing, pressure, oncoming defensive push, focus required is an entirely different prospect. Knocking the actual distance consistently should be a breeze though, especially with a ball where the leather has softened.
 
I remember reading something from a former NFL kicker about the balls now, saying the cover was different,
softer, had more rebound to them than regular balls, then they were getting broken in and used to be give even more
rebound when kicked causing all these long FG's now, compared to years ago

He also mentioned he was not sure the balls were filled with air only, which I found interesting that he would say that

I wonder if he really knows anything or was just speculating
 
I played a pretty decent level of football (what you guys would call soccer) here in the UK - I still play, not the level I used to - and kicking any ball 50 yards is not really a challenge, it certainly shouldn't be for a young, well practised professional at the top of their sport. Obviously the timing, pressure, oncoming defensive push, focus required is an entirely different prospect. Knocking the actual distance consistently should be a breeze though, especially with a ball where the leather has softened.

Your point is definitely taken but looking at historical make rates and historical distance limitations is really important when sussing this out. The limitation of steps and getting it over the line is also a big deal for longer kicks, but you're right—we're seeing it in real time what's going on with the range and the softer letter. We're going to see the record broken in a year or two if the keep this sort of ball preparation up.

Another thing that has changed is the money, which has totally changed the talent level of the competition to participate. It is much better than when I did it and the money is the incentive to go for it and make it a career. But I couldn't believe how specialists were always treated, and even though it was a blink of an eye, everybody said the same ****. Their coaches didn't know the first thing. It wasn't total self-selection, but in addition to being a good kicker the way you got anywhere was being a self-starter and taking initiative.

This will and has changed teams’ strategy in a major way. This is a good article below. Check it out if yr interested. Very relevant. Skim the stupid Ringer pop culture stuff if it isn’t your bag. There’s a serious discussion here.

 

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