KC v ATL last nite (1 Viewer)

[footballsavvy]

Thomas Jones seems likely to end his career like Eddie George did. The dropoff will be sudden, once his legs go then he'll be unable to break a tackle.

He didn't break any tackles last season. I don't know where to get yards-after-contact stats, but Jones had to be tied with LT at the bottom of the league.ETA: Also, I'm not sure why a guy who can't break a tackle would be the short-yardage back.

I agree. For whatever reasons coaches love to have a kamikaze RB that weight 210+ as their short yardage back. Yet the few coaches who allow their quick shifty backs to get short yardage carries seem to be rewarded with success. Granted not all small backs are good short yardage guys, but many are. All it takes are some medium sized balls and to hit the line just before it collapses and you have a 2-3 yard gain. Marcus Allen was one of the best in history at doing this. Its not like TJ is going to move a defensive lineman backwards just because he weighs 13 lbs more than Charles. Nonetheless, I'm sure Jones will get the short yardage stuff if for no other reason than to make him earn his paycheck.... and decrease Charles' chances of getting injured.

 

[rizzler]

now here we go, some good discussion...

im glad to see others agree with me and having a valid argument in doing so instead of simply quoting TJs past stats as to why he is the man...

again, I never said TJ wont play a part... but if youve WATCHED him play recently (end2009:now), it's easy to see he is on the fast decline.

barring injuries of course ill put JC at about 270 total touches and TJ in at around 130-140.

 

[hauser42]

How has Eric Berry looked in camp? Looking at him as a rookie pick for my IDP league this year.

 

[zamboni]

Chiefs | Thomas Jones injured? Comment (0) Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:47:14 -0400Kansas City Chiefs RB Thomas Jones (undisclosed), according to the Chiefs' broadcast crew, suffered an injury Saturday, Aug. 14, reports Kent Babb, of The Kansas City Star. Maybe why Jones only got two carries?

Yes - as documented in (I believe) the Jamaal Charles thread, Jones suffered a stinger - probably the reason he only got two carries.As for the Charles/Jones comparison, way too early to be burying Jones.

I actually buried Jones last year in the playoffs when the Jets had to turn to a rookie to get it done....

As a Jets fan, I don't disagree. Jones was definitely looking sluggish down the stretch, and even before the Colts playoff game had been losing carries to Greene. That the Jets didn't make much of an effort to sign up - yet go after an even more over-the-hill LT - does seem to say a lot.All that said, as mentioned I wouldn't throw dirt on Jones just yet. By most accounts, he is looking decent in camp and has been a big force in the locker room. The real games will show whether Jones has lost it - my sense is that he will start to show the wear and tear, but Haley will still use him to to spell Charles and could thus be fantasy relevant.

 

[Tanner9919]

The KC offense isn't going to be able to just shove it down people's throats. They don't have the line, and don't have a QB that can chuck it downfield.

Cassell actually got worse in the 2nd half of the season, as Charles was the 2nd best fantasy back. They cannot rely on Cassell to win games, so I think their plan is to get the ball in the hands of players that can take short, safe plays, and score. That is Charles, McCluster, and Bowe.

Jones gets the short yardage stuff, the goalline stuff, the tough yards. But I think Charles is gonna be the main offensive weapon. Not sure that makes him worth his current ADP, but I still think he's much more valuable to owners than Jones is.

good point. Charles is undervalued at this point, seems he's getting no respect,even less respect than Ryan Grant..

 

[Clifford]

I think both backs see touches in the 190-220 range and Charles gets 50+ catches to go with it.

 

[rizzler]

I think both backs see touches in the 190-220 range and Charles gets 50+ catches to go with it.

thats nearing Carolina territory... I still dont buy it. 70/30 if you ask me.. only time will tell

 

[The Jacket]

How has Eric Berry looked in camp? Looking at him as a rookie pick for my IDP league this year.

Nothing much on him, good or bad. The local writers have mostly been focusing on McCluster, and generally suck anyway so it's hard to rely on them for anything useful. Preseason game 3, as usual, should tell us a bit more, especially with a pass-happy attack (Philly) coming to town. Two things I could offer:1) He's playing FS exclusively, as expected. There was some stuff about him playing at SS in camp but I knew it wouldn't last. Listed as FS and was playing reasonably deep against ATL.2) The front 7 is as bad as expected. ATL was blowing the DL off the ball and the LBers are generally nowhere to be found, particularly inside. I guess that's good for a fantasy safety. He should get a lot of tackle opportunities, even as a FS.

 

[The Jacket]

Yeah, just ignore me. Even as a Chiefs fan who reads every headline, I can't keep up with these idiots.

Berry now listed at SS on the 2nd depth chart.

They need to worry more about coaching up scrubs than playing musical chairs on the depth chart with the core members of the team.

 

[Ray_T]

funny how i prefaced my statement w/ call it pre,ature and it's a small sample size... yet im still dug for itIf people are really that high on Jones... are you considering drafting him before Charles? I guess thats the true testament to how strongly you believe that Jones is in fact "the man"... I didnt even need to see the 2 cqrries from Jones to believe he would not be the man in KC. seeing him dive towards the line twice just confirmed it. I dont get it... the Jets let a 'stud' in Jones leave, instead of signing him for pennies, and sign LT instead... wheres the logic in this if he is still 'so good'I have been a Jones owner on more than one occasion. he faded like a 1991 haircut last season... he is 31. He rushed behind the Jets O-line. Yesterday he only got 2 carries a) to protect from injury, but b) after seeing him collapse into headon traffic twice in a row, for 1yd, I would have pulled him too.I never said Jones wont play a part... i Just cant for the life of me see how it will be a prominent one

haha, thats cuz hes used to having a road grader for an O-Line in New York. He will adapt.