Keeper question - 1st year for our league (1 Viewer)

[tjdoren]

This is the first year we have added a keeper to our league rules. Unfortunately, we failed to put detailed rules around it. This is all we have: "Teams will be allowed to keep 1 player drafted in the 4th round or below for 1 year only". My question is about dropped players. Typically in keeper leagues, once a player is dropped, do you ignore the round in which the player was drafted? Do you allow someone to pick up a dropped guy, then they become keeper-eligible (even if they were a 1st round pick)? Also, does that change if they are on IR? For example, in our league Gore, DWill, Grant, and Romo are all available on the waiver wire.

I'm thinking about grabbing Gore, but I expect there will be some complaining from other owners. On the one hand, I don't want to waste a transaction then later find out I can't keep him. On the other hand, I don't want someone else to grab him.

 

[Saint]

Our keeper rule has been, if a guy is on the waiver wire, he is considered a waiver wire pickup and considered a 13th round pick. It's a keeper league, and owner's need to be smart. Guess they will learn and not do it next year.

 

[tls01]

We have a similar keeper set up (4th round or later, one keeper). But, in our league rule book it states that the player must stay on your roster in order for that player to be a keeper, so, once he's dropped to the waiver wire, he is no longer considered eligible as a keeper.

Someone should have cleared that up in the rules prior to the beginning of the season.

 

[tjdoren]

Any other opinions on this? I admit, we should have clarified this in the beginning. But since we haven't done keepers before, we didn't think of this scenario. I'd really like to know how several other leagues would handle this in their rules. Then I can go to my commissioner and make a recommendation.

 

[dennis.moore]

In our league, a player drafted keeps what round they were drafted in even if they were dropped and picked up by someone else.

 

[massraider]

In our league, a player drafted keeps what round they were drafted in even if they were dropped and picked up by someone else.

Yes. This also eliminates the possibility that two owners could collude--Someone drops a player so another team (with first waiver pick) can pick him up as a keeper.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Any other opinions on this? I admit, we should have clarified this in the beginning. But since we haven't done keepers before, we didn't think of this scenario. I'd really like to know how several other leagues would handle this in their rules. Then I can go to my commissioner and make a recommendation.

My keeper league rules are somewhat extensive (since we keep 6 players) but I might be able to help here. (We do not assign draft slots to any player. We can keep whomever we want as long as we want.)Right now, your league rules stipulate that you can only keep a player drafted in the 4th round or later. I think you know that you would be circumventing the intent of the rules if you go out and pick up Gore, who was most likely a 1st rounder (if it's a 12 team league) or early 2nd rounder, if he slipped that far. Sure, it was a huge mistake for the former Gore owner to drop him, but I'm sure that when he did so he felt he was putting Gore back on the market for next year, not exposing him to a possible waiver wire pick-up/steal at the end of the year. If he thought someone could go pick him up, do you think he would have dropped him - instead of hanging onto him or tagging him as his keeper?Draft slot should carry through even when a player is dropped back into the player pool. If you want to add someone who could be a keeper, find a quality free agent that was drafted in the 4th or later. How about Jermichael Finley? Does your league have beneficial scoring rules for TE's? If he's out there, he might be valuable as a keeper and was likely dropped a while ago. One other thing to consider is the fact that you are only keeping 1 player. Is that player considered a top-12 player? How close to the top-12 is the highest ranked player currently on your team? Do you really want to keep a player who is marginally a top-36 player? Is there a player on the wire that would rank somewhere in the top-12 or top-24 (had he not gotten injured) and was he drafted in the 4th round or later?To summarize:1. Draft slot should carry forward whether a player is on a fantasy team or not.2. Your keeper should at least rank in the top-18, if you can find such value - either on your own team now, trading for that player, or finding him on the wire.3. Keeper rules should be revisited and clarified during the off-season. This is a MUST!!!! Confusion will abound each year unless the rules are specific and detailed. Smart fantasy players will always look for a loophole in the rules to take advantage of and the only thing that will prevent such shenanigans is a detailed set of rules which account for all possibilities.4. Ask your commissioner to clarify the intent of the keeper rules right now, via message board posting on the league website, so that everyone is on the same page. Also, if things seem too unclear even after that, ask for more detailed rules for the future and help in the process of establishing such rules. (No rules should be altered during the season - they are what they are.)Hope this helps.Rody

 

[tdog]

We allow keeping only waiver wire players that were not drafted. Maybe not the greatest solution but it works to avoid the injured superstar thing. We also say you can't keep players picked up after the trade deadline.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

In our league, a player drafted keeps what round they were drafted in even if they were dropped and picked up by someone else.

Same here. If a guy like Gore is drafted in the 1st round and dropped to the WW, another team is welcome to pick him up and sacrifice next year's 1st for him.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Also, does that change if they are on IR?

Allow an IR spot for your owners so they can keep those players on their roster instead of dropping them, but they don't take up a "normal" roster spot.

 

[CaptainHook]

well your rule states you can keep a guy drafted in the 4th or later...why do you think youd be able to keep a guy drafted in the first? the rule is quite clear you are just illiterate or something no offense.

 

[massraider]

well your rule states you can keep a guy drafted in the 4th or later...why do you think youd be able to keep a guy drafted in the first? the rule is quite clear you are just illiterate or something no offense.

I wasn't illiterate until I read your post. no offense

 

[parrot]

We have a similar set-up; 5th round or later and you give up a spot two rounds higher the next year. We only allow players drafted and kept on the roster the whole year to be kept. To us the idea of allowing keepers was to reward owners for savvy drafting, not to reward teams who just happen to be first in waiver order.

 

[GoRaiders]

In our league, a player drafted keeps what round they were drafted in even if they were dropped and picked up by someone else.

Same here. The player keeps the round he is drafted in regardless if he is on the wire at any point during the year. We like this rule since it allows for you to spend your later round picks on sleeper plays that you will kick to the wire during the year, but pick back up later for keeper status.

 

[faulkfan]

well your rule states you can keep a guy drafted in the 4th or later...why do you think youd be able to keep a guy drafted in the first? the rule is quite clear you are just illiterate or something no offense.

Actually his rule states: "Teams will be allowed to keep 1 player drafted in the 4th round or below for 1 year only"Depending on how you define "below" it could mean a lower number since 1 is a smaller number than 2, 3, and 4 and falls below them when counting or it could mean in a later round since in a draft we would consider a later draft pick as having lower value. Due to the two possible meanings it is important for a reader to use deductive reasoning and seek out clues as to the writer's intended definition. In this case, since the writer was discussing a player that was most likely taken in a round earlier than the 4th, it is fair to assume that he/she had defined "below" as the former definition presented in the first sentence of this paragraph.Given this deduction the author would appear to be literate.

 

[footballnerd]

14 team league.

keepers are 5th round or lower.

waiver pick up can be kept as long as its not someone drafted higher than the 5th.

waiver pick up will cost you a 5th round pick.

10 team league

keepers are 5th or below

must keep player entire year, no waiver pick ups

can keep player 3 years, cost you the round you drafted and increases 1 round each year after.

 

[The Doctor]

im the commish in my league and we just implemented the keeper league rules

you can keep up to 2 players.

we have a 16 man roster.

you cannot keep a player drafted in the first 3 rounds. Every player you keep you lose a pick 3 rounds ahead of where that player was drafted in the previous year. If a player was drafted and dropped to the WW. The player was still drafted and will be held accountable for the round he was drafted in.

If a player went undrafted and you decide to keep them. you lose your 2nd to last pick to keep them. in this case 14th pick.

does that make sense?

there are a few more rules about how long you can keep a certain player and how the draft order for a player will move up if kept multiple years in a row.

 

[Utter Chaos]

Here's how my keeper league works.

You can keep one player for one year only (just like your league). The difference is my league you can keep anybody (that wasn't kept last year, even if he was kept by somebody else and traded to your team).

The caveat is this: You forfeit the pick in next year's draft where you picked your keeper. Once a guy is drafted that number stays with him whether he's cut and picked up by another team or traded. For free agents it's whatever week in the season they were picked up. I picked up James Starks in week 11 so if I keep him next year I'll lose my 11th round pick. If somebody was picked up in week 4, cut in week 6 and picked up again in week 12 he'll still cost the owner a 4th round pick because that is when he was originally picked up.

I like this method better than just keeping any player (or any player after round 4) because it gives the teams an option of keeping a player with a lot of upside that they picked late or a stud they picked in the first round.

I have quite a few possibilities for next year (for those of you that care).

Jahvid Best - 3rd round

C.J. Spiller - 4th round

Terrell Owens - 8th round

Tampa Mike Williams - 10th round

James Starks - 11th round

Ben Roethlisberger - 11th round

but I think I have to keep Peyton Hillis who I drafted in the 13th round.