Kenyan Drake and Drew Brees Dynasty Trades (1 Viewer)

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

I'm in a 12 team PPR Superflex dynasty league and looking to compete more next year or the year after rather than this year. I have to assets that I'm looking to unload, for the right price of course.

Kenyan Drake is one. People are torn on him this year and he's only signed to Arizona for one year. What do you think is the right asking price for him?

Drew Brees is the other. Really only a contender would trade for him. What's the right asking price here?

I'm not necessarily going to sell now, I would if the price is right. But I think for Brees especially I may be able to get more in season when someone realizes he could out their team over the top or an injury to one of their QBs comes along.

Thanks!

 

[Gally]

you should definitely hold Brees now and sell to a contendar mid season.  That will maximize your return.  Nobody wants to trade for him right now because he is old.......unless you can target a very QB needy team that has everything else in place.

Drake is a different situation.  His hype couldn't get any higher.  However, it is a polarizing hype.  Some people are all in and others have been burned enough that they are hesitant.   If you believe he will be the man you may be able to get more in season as well if he jumps out to a couple nice games.....that would help convince the naysayers and reinforce for the believers.

If you could get a late first for Drake now that would probably be my expectation.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

you should definitely hold Brees now and sell to a contendar mid season.  That will maximize your return.  Nobody wants to trade for him right now because he is old.......unless you can target a very QB needy team that has everything else in place.

Drake is a different situation.  His hype couldn't get any higher.  However, it is a polarizing hype.  Some people are all in and others have been burned enough that they are hesitant.   If you believe he will be the man you may be able to get more in season as well if he jumps out to a couple nice games.....that would help convince the naysayers and reinforce for the believers.

If you could get a late first for Drake now that would probably be my expectation.

Thanks. Appreciate it. One guy and I have been discussing and one thing thrown out there was David Montgomery and a 1st for Drake. No official offer yet. Think I should push for this?

 

[jwsbowler]

Thanks. Appreciate it. One guy and I have been discussing and one thing thrown out there was David Montgomery and a 1st for Drake. No official offer yet. Think I should push for this?

If you can get a 1st and Montgomery, I would strongly consider it.  As to Brees, I agree with Gally about how to deal with him.  My gut says that you won't get much. 

 

[Blackbear]

I thought you might find this article helpful. https://www.fantasypros.com/2020/07/fantasy-football-rankings-dynasty-trade-value-chart-july-2020-update/
 

It suggests a early first and early third for Drake. And a late second for Brees.

 

[Blackbear]

Thanks. Appreciate it. One guy and I have been discussing and one thing thrown out there was David Montgomery and a 1st for Drake. No official offer yet. Think I should push for this?

According to the trade chart I mentioned a fair trade would be Drake for Montgomery and a early to mid second. So if you are getting a 1st and Montgomery that is even better.

 

[Gally]

I thought you might find this article helpful. https://www.fantasypros.com/2020/07/fantasy-football-rankings-dynasty-trade-value-chart-july-2020-update/
 

It suggests a early first and early third for Drake. And a late second for Brees.

I have never found a trade value chart that was very helpful.  The values always seem way off from my league's parameters that they aren't very helpful. 

ETA:  I think their only value is if you aren't confident in your own evaluations then it gives you some sense of security in regards to how someone else values players.

 

[Deadweight19]

I concur with holding off trading Brees until during the season UNLESS there is a major QB injury during camp. As for Drake, if you can get Montgomery and a 1st then you should be pulling the trigger before the other owner gets cold feet (Definitely before camp). 

 

[acarey50]

I would absolutely be trying to do that Montgomery/1st for Drake if it materializes.  I am admittedly not huge on Montgomery, but I think that moving Drake is the right thing and getting a future 1st for a team looking to contend in the next 2-3 years is the wise move. Montgomery could materialize into being a consistent performer for your team, but I would likely look at him as more likely a stepping stone player that you would parlay into another piece that better fits your team (though would need to see the rest of the roster to see where the key needs are).

As others have said, most likely you will get more value for Brees by waiting until the season begins and looking at that contender that needs a QB/SF to push them into the title picture. Catch-22 at that point is any team that is likely willing to deal for him will have weaker picks (since they'd be at the back half of the rounds), but they'd also be more likely to be willing to deal a younger piece for that title run - either way you should be able to find something that makes the deal a win-win for both of you and maximizes your longer term chances.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

That owner backed out of the Montgomery/1st for Drake discussions.

Been talking to another about Drake for a 1st, Mattison and Preston Williams.

 

[acarey50]

That owner backed out of the Montgomery/1st for Drake discussions.

Been talking to another about Drake for a 1st, Mattison and Preston Williams.

I'd be fine with that for Drake.

I'd start looking to see if the Cook owner has any assets that you'd like - Mattison is one of those assets where I think he can value on his own, especially in a couple years, but you may be able to snag even more value now by dangling him to the Cook owner, but because of his long term potential, you are not in a spot of taking what you can get.

 

[Gally]

That owner backed out of the Montgomery/1st for Drake discussions.

Been talking to another about Drake for a 1st, Mattison and Preston Williams.

Do you have Cook?  I don't like this trade nearly as much as the Monty trade but if you have Cook it gives you added security.  Williams is a wild card coming off an ACL.  He was good last year but Parker also excelled so I am not sure what he does for you as far as your lineup.  Probably just depth.  So you would be getting two guys you probably wouldn't be playing on a regular basis without an injury or lesser starter.

I would probably pass with the information given

 

[Gally]

I'd be fine with that for Drake.

I'd start looking to see if the Cook owner has any assets that you'd like - Mattison is one of those assets where I think he can value on his own, especially in a couple years, but you may be able to snag even more value now by dangling him to the Cook owner, but because of his long term potential, you are not in a spot of taking what you can get.

I hate making trades with the point of trading a player I am getting.  It never quite works out how you hope it would.  Also, Mattison seems to be an untradeable piece because whoever owns him values him at his ceiling and whoever wants him (Cook owner) is looking for security.  It leaves a gap in value that seems to be hard to overcome.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

Do you have Cook?  I don't like this trade nearly as much as the Monty trade but if you have Cook it gives you added security.  Williams is a wild card coming off an ACL.  He was good last year but Parker also excelled so I am not sure what he does for you as far as your lineup.  Probably just depth.  So you would be getting two guys you probably wouldn't be playing on a regular basis without an injury or lesser starter.

I would probably pass with the information given

I do not own Cook. As of right now there are only a few owners even interested, I've talked to nearly all of them. Others like him but won't give the first or any real assets. So if this guy is serious about 1st, Mattison and Williams then it's either that or hold him until in season. Doesn't seem like a lot of these owners really like him much to invest in him.

 

[Gally]

I do not own Cook. As of right now there are only a few owners even interested, I've talked to nearly all of them. Others like him but won't give the first or any real assets. So if this guy is serious about 1st, Mattison and Williams then it's either that or hold him until in season. Doesn't seem like a lot of these owners really like him much to invest in him.

Nothing wrong with holding him.  He should be a solid RB this year.

 

[acarey50]

As I replied earlier, I still like the deal for you, but that is based on getting the 1st round pick. Mattison and Williams are the icing on the cake (yes, Montgomery would have been nicer, but those two are not a bad consolation prize for a team looking 2-3 years ahead).

I think Gally misunderstood part of my response - I didn't suggest just offloading Mattison as a primary goal - I like Mattison because I think he has stand alone value in that 2-3 year time frame, but he also still has decent trade value, especially to the Cook owner. If the Cook owner is loking to steal him, you don't need to trade him. If he's willing to give you good value to fit the desire of building a team for the 2-3 year time frame, then you can move him. But the ball absolutely is in the OPs court with him, plus he has the 1st.

Part of this is because I am not sold on Drake's long term value - I think he will perform just fine this year, but I don't see him as a hot commodity in 2-3 years.

Williams is meh to me - he showed signs, he's a good enough WR that he's worth holding on to to see how he develops, but he is not a make or break part of the deal.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

As I replied earlier, I still like the deal for you, but that is based on getting the 1st round pick. Mattison and Williams are the icing on the cake (yes, Montgomery would have been nicer, but those two are not a bad consolation prize for a team looking 2-3 years ahead).

I think Gally misunderstood part of my response - I didn't suggest just offloading Mattison as a primary goal - I like Mattison because I think he has stand alone value in that 2-3 year time frame, but he also still has decent trade value, especially to the Cook owner. If the Cook owner is loking to steal him, you don't need to trade him. If he's willing to give you good value to fit the desire of building a team for the 2-3 year time frame, then you can move him. But the ball absolutely is in the OPs court with him, plus he has the 1st.

Part of this is because I am not sold on Drake's long term value - I think he will perform just fine this year, but I don't see him as a hot commodity in 2-3 years.

Williams is meh to me - he showed signs, he's a good enough WR that he's worth holding on to to see how he develops, but he is not a make or break part of the deal.

Thanks for your input and help. Same to everyone else who's replied, I appreciate it. I too think Drake will do fine this year but the future is uncertain. Right now, this is the next best deal since the Montgomery owner has pulled out. I'm really doing it for the first round pick, that'll give me three in the 2021 rookie draft. Preston Williams is good for my team since I'm lacking receivers. Mattison is a good dynasty asset to have in my opinion to either keep or trade to a desperate Cook owner.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I would rather have Drake than 1st/Mattison/Preston unless I thought it was likely that 1st would be early.

In general if I were getting back a 1st for Drake I would want it to be earlyish.  I see a lot of people valuing him around a late 1st but I think any RBs in that range would be guys I would prefer Drake over by a very significant amount.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

I would rather have Drake than 1st/Mattison/Preston unless I thought it was likely that 1st would be early.

In general if I were getting back a 1st for Drake I would want it to be earlyish.  I see a lot of people valuing him around a late 1st but I think any RBs in that range would be guys I would prefer Drake over by a very significant amount.

Yeah this is the debate I'm having. Most of my league doesn't seem to value you very much. Some were turned off right away when I mentioned just a first rounder, nothing yet added onto that. So it's tough to say if I should hold until I do get an offer of more than a first, Williams and Mattison (if the offer becomes official) or hold until during the season and see if anyone changes their mind, or use him for myself even though I'm rebuilding and he could be gone out of Arizona after this year.

 

[jwsbowler]

That owner backed out of the Montgomery/1st for Drake discussions.

Been talking to another about Drake for a 1st, Mattison and Preston Williams.

too bad on the first offer...   I am not in favor of the 2nd one.  

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

Guy is getting looney tunes on me and trying to get me to add Parris Campbell to the deal when I'm not even sure I want to do the first one.

 

[acarey50]

Guy is getting looney tunes on me and trying to get me to add Parris Campbell to the deal when I'm not even sure I want to do the first one.

This is the point in the talks where you politely decline and walk away. Give him a few days to see if he comes back with something a bit more palatable. If not, nothing lost.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

This is the point in the talks where you politely decline and walk away. Give him a few days to see if he comes back with something a bit more palatable. If not, nothing lost.

I just did that. I'm in no rush to get rid of Drake. I think a guy or two will jump in a few weeks in after a couple big games and realize he could put their team over the top.

 

[Deadweight19]

I'm going contrarian with my thinking about this.  1.)  You have already stated you are in rebuilding mode and eyeing a 2 year window.  2.)  How much does Rivers have left?  Odds are that he's gone in a year or two and Campbell will be faced with a rookie QB (Highly doubtful another Manning or Luck).  3.)  Campbell suffered multiple injuries last year:  Bad hamstring during camp, sports hernia mid season, broken hand, and finally a broken foot.  Was last year an aberration?  I know the injuries are not similar but I am having "Kevin White" syndrome in regards to Campbell.  4.)  How high are you on CEH or Taylor?  Is there another rookie you think will become a foundational piece in the near future?  All this being said, accepting the proposed Mattison trade really comes down to the spot of that 1st rd pick.  For me, if the pick was 1.01, then I would pull the trigger.  My only concern with CEH's dynasty potential is how long Reid continues coaching.  

 

[Blackbear]

I just did that. I'm in no rush to get rid of Drake. I think a guy or two will jump in a few weeks in after a couple big games and realize he could put their team over the top.

Let’s hope that guy is you and you just keep Drake.  

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

Let’s hope that guy is you and you just keep Drake.  

I like Drake a lot this year. I'm just nervous about his long-term outlook with him being 27 (?) And only signed for one more year in Arizona, and I'm looking to compete more starting probably next year.

 

[Blackbear]

I like Drake a lot this year. I'm just nervous about his long-term outlook with him being 27 (?) And only signed for one more year in Arizona, and I'm looking to compete more starting probably next year.

Can you DM me your lineup.