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Kevin Jones in the Mike Martz Offense (1 Viewer)

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13/44/0 and 9/71/0 fumble

LIONS NOTEBOOK: Martz praises RBs Jones, Bryson and G Woody

July 31, 2006

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Offensive coordinator Mike Martz, left, was impressed with guard Damien Woody's camp performance. Martz said he was "outstanding." (JULIAN H. GONZALEZ/Detroit Free Press)

It isn't exactly "The Greatest Show on Turf." It is only three days into training camp, after all. Offensive coordinator Mike Martz won't have a good idea of where the Lions' offense is at until halfway through the preseason.

"We haven't peaked yet," Martz said in a sarcastic tone.

But Martz likes some of the things he sees already, and he broke down some key areas Sunday.

Conditioning: Just a few weeks ago, during the mandatory minicamp, Martz said the players were "grossly out of shape." But after the players banged into one another in the heat Sunday morning, he seemed pleased.

"I think for this point, they've done a great job of getting themselves in condition," Martz said. "They really have. Their practice tempo, in these conditions, I think is really good. They're competing very well. There's a certain toughness in this group that you've got to be pleased with."

Running back: Martz praised Kevin Jones and Shawn Bryson.

"Kevin Jones really understands what we're trying to accomplish," Martz said. "He's doing a great job with his run routes. He's really starting to show what he really is. I think he's just going to have a terrific year. I really do."

Martz said Bryson had intelligence, versatility and "unusual speed." He said he might use Bryson as a wide receiver like he did with Marshall Faulk in St. Louis.

"He has those kinds of pass-receiving abilities as a running back," Martz said. "So you have to be careful that you don't do too many things with him when the thing he does do extremely well is run the football."

Wide receiver: Martz has been rotating his receivers in and out in several combinations. He said not to read too much into it.

"That process of evaluation is a long way away," he said.

But Martz said the receivers were starting to attain the toughness they needed to execute his plan, and he said Glenn Martinez, Eddie Drummond and Roy Williams had been "extremely consistent." He singled out Drummond.

"Very pleased with Eddie," Martz said. "Very, very pleased with Eddie."

Offensive line: Martz said going into the season with inexperience on the offensive line "does hold you back," so he was glad to have a veteran group. He said he was challenging the starters.

"It's ugly early, but veterans start to pick up that stuff early," Martz said. "There's a cohesiveness that's starting to jell with that group up front that's really good."

Martz said right guard Damien Woody was "just outstanding. Of all the players on offense right now, he's probably had the best camp of everybody."

Quarterback: Martz said he wouldn't hold the offense hostage with a limited quarterback, but Jon Kitna, Josh McCown and Dan Orlovsky weren't limited, so he wasn't worried.
 
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That article goes along with what Tom Kowlski said this morning on WRIF. He said that Kevin Jones has looked impressive...particularly in his receiving ability. Kowalski commented that the off season work that Jones has put into catching the ball has shown and that fans would be ticked off that Jones was pulled out of games on third down in the past.

 
Martz said Bryson had intelligence, versatility and "unusual speed." He said he might use Bryson as a wide receiver like he did with Marshall Faulk in St. Louis.
Doesn't this make it sound like Martz may use Bryson on 3rd down?
 
Martz said Bryson had intelligence, versatility and "unusual speed." He said he might use Bryson as a wide receiver like he did with Marshall Faulk in St. Louis.
Doesn't this make it sound like Martz may use Bryson on 3rd down?
Martz has constantly said that he is looking for a running back to take the lead role and be able to be an everydown back.... not sure if KJ can be that guy, but it sounds like Martz has visions of KJ being his workhorse
 
Martz said Bryson had intelligence, versatility and "unusual speed." He said he might use Bryson as a wide receiver like he did with Marshall Faulk in St. Louis.
Doesn't this make it sound like Martz may use Bryson on 3rd down?
Martz has constantly said that he is looking for a running back to take the lead role and be able to be an everydown back.... not sure if KJ can be that guy, but it sounds like Martz has visions of KJ being his workhorse
Links please.
 
I still really like Bryson as a late round sleeper. Glad to see he's impressing Martz.

I wonder if Martz thinks Drummond could be his Az-Zahir Hakim, and if he'll be the third WR.

 
Martz said Bryson had intelligence, versatility and "unusual speed." He said he might use Bryson as a wide receiver like he did with Marshall Faulk in St. Louis.
Doesn't this make it sound like Martz may use Bryson on 3rd down?
Yes, but lined up as a WR he'll affect the #3 or 4 WR numbers more than he will Jones', IMO.
 
Maybe an H-Back type of role for Bryson? That doesn't seem very typical of Martz, but I remember his FB's getting some decent numbers for a while in STL.

 
Martz said Bryson had intelligence, versatility and "unusual speed." He said he might use Bryson as a wide receiver like he did with Marshall Faulk in St. Louis.
Doesn't this make it sound like Martz may use Bryson on 3rd down?
Martz has constantly said that he is looking for a running back to take the lead role and be able to be an everydown back.... not sure if KJ can be that guy, but it sounds like Martz has visions of KJ being his workhorse
Links please.
do a search on jones...i think that comment was posted in a couple threads
 
Martz said Bryson had intelligence, versatility and "unusual speed." He said he might use Bryson as a wide receiver like he did with Marshall Faulk in St. Louis.
Doesn't this make it sound like Martz may use Bryson on 3rd down?
Martz has constantly said that he is looking for a running back to take the lead role and be able to be an everydown back.... not sure if KJ can be that guy, but it sounds like Martz has visions of KJ being his workhorse
Links please.
do a search on jones...i think that comment was posted in a couple threads
I just perused 5 KJ threads and 3 external links.No quotes from Martz.

:shrug:

I am not saying KJ wont be very good under Martz but I would like to see Righetti's statement supported.

 
“When you break [football] down to its simplest form, it’s a simple game. The complexities of the game happen when you start adding the ‘x’s and ‘o’s and all the theory as to why you’re doing it and what you’re trying to get a guy to do and all that. But the basics of it are pretty simple and the base of the simplicity is in fundamentals.”

Running back Kevin Jones is a prime example of returning to fundamentals. Entering his third NFL season, Jones is striving for a breakout year, and Marinelli and the coaching staff are looking to put a lot on his shoulders.

But in order to get him prepared for all that would be asked of him, they needed to take him back to the basics. Throughout the team’s conditioning program, he worked diligently on the jugs machine and took extra passes from the quarterbacks after practice to work on his ball skills and also worked overtime on his pass-protection.
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_displ...ument_id=445618
 
RB K.Jones Will Not Be Pulled Out On 3rd DownsTom Kowalski, Booth Newspapers via The Sporting News - [Full Article]RB Kevin Jones is doing a much better job of catching the ball out of the backfield and in picking up blocking assignments and likely will not be pulled off the field on third down like he was last year. Jones will be a big weapon in Mike Martz's scheme this season.
sportingnews
 
dave: What are your thoughts on our 3rd round pick Brian Cahoun? Does he present a threat to Kevin Jones at all?

Tom Kowalski: dave ... calhoun doesn't have the size to be an every-down back so he's no threat to kevin jones in that role ... but he could take time away from him in third down situations ... then again, i think it's likely you'll see them both in the backfield at times on third down ...

Steve: Killer, My biggest concern going into this new regime is how the running back position will be handled. Kevin Jones seems like a stud to me but never got the carries he deserved. Will Martz finally give KJ the 20-25 carries a game he deserves, or are we going to see the back by committee we saw in the past...

Tom Kowalski: steve ... both marinelli and martz really like jones and i think he'll touch the ball at least 20-25 times a game, but not necessarily as carries ... jones isn't marshall faulk, but.....

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RILionFan: Thanks for making sense of the Calhoun pick. Didn't like it at first. But, based on your latest entry, it makes a ton of sense. That leads to the next question... why have the Lions soured on Pinner?

Tom Kowalski: the lions haven't soured on pinner, pinner's soured on his future in detroit ... he wanted more of a role and now he knows the new staff with give the bulk of the work to kevin jones ... the drafting of calhoun pretty much cements the fact that pinner won't be here next season (when he becomes an unrestricted free agent) ...
weblog questions with Tom Kowalski.. (i don't know who this guy is btw)

 
RB Jones Dedicated To Becoming An All-Around Back

Chrissie Zavicar, Detroitlions.com - [Full Article]

RB Kevin Jones has been standing out as much improved this offseason. Coming up on his third season, Jones has been working closely with Running Backs Coach Wilbert Montgomery to become an all-around back. “During the offseason I was trying to catch about 100 balls a day; a little over 100,” said Jones, who has shown an ease in catching the football throughout the offseason practice and workout sessions. “I want to be the best back and I have to be able to catch the ball and do all those things

Jones is a player who has been particularly inspired by the Lions new coaching staff. Since they arrived this offseason..

It isn’t only Marinelli’s way of doing things that could help get the running game – and the Lions offense as a whole – going next season. The Lions head coach has also chosen players – both free agents and draft prospects – he believes embody the football passion he wants playing for him every down.
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_displ...ument_id=445200
 
Detroit's offense under Martz will look nothing like the West Coast offense used the last five years. It's an entirely different style, with more passes downfield. In two days of workouts, the practice tempo has been noticeably faster and more intense.

The personnel groups are sure to be affected. The Lions carried two tight ends last season. This year, they'll probably have three. Dan Campbell, a blocking specialist, has been added to incumbents Marcus Pollard and Casey FitzSimmons.

The roles of the running backs and fullbacks will change. Kevin Jones is in line for more carries at tailback, and Shawn Bryson's role at fullback likely will expand to take advantage of his speed and receiving ability.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../604130311/1126
 
It ought to be better in 2006 for Jones. Rod Marinelli, the new head coach, puts a premium on what he sees on tape and likes what he saw from Jones in his first two years. He has the power to run through tackles and the speed to get around the corner.

"He's a beast," Marinelli said at the recent NFL meetings in Florida.

Jones took that as a compliment -- and an indication that Marinelli and Mike Martz, the new offensive coordinator, will turn him loose this year.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../604090348/1126
 
RB Bryson To See More Time At Fullback?

Tom Kowalski, SportingNews.com - [Full Article]

RB Shawn Bryson, who was used primarily as a third-down back last year, will see more time at fullback next season. Bryson, who will take some playing time away from FB Cory Schlesinger, will be used in a variety of ways, but won't be called on to be a full-time blocker. Bryson has good speed and soft hands coming out of the backfield and is also that group's best pass blocker. Bryson might spell RB Kevin Jones from time to time, but look for Jones to get the bulk of the carries
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../604090348/1126
 
Dollar to a doughnut Brian Calhoun sees significant time by mid-season, & it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes their feature back at some point this year. Certainly sometime in '07, IMO.

I see it as a combination of Kevin Jones not fullfilling his potential & Brian Calhoun's ability to fit Mike Martz' offense. And regardless of Martz' praise of Shawn Bryson, I believe he won't be much more than an afterthought (especially later in the season).

 
Dollar to a doughnut Brian Calhoun sees significant time by mid-season, & it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes their feature back at some point this year. Certainly sometime in '07, IMO.

I see it as a combination of Kevin Jones not fullfilling his potential & Brian Calhoun's ability to fit Mike Martz' offense. And regardless of Martz' praise of Shawn Bryson, I believe he won't be much more than an afterthought (especially later in the season).
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.) Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.

 
Dollar to a doughnut Brian Calhoun sees significant time by mid-season, & it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes their feature back at some point this year. Certainly sometime in '07, IMO.

I see it as a combination of Kevin Jones not fullfilling his potential & Brian Calhoun's ability to fit Mike Martz' offense. And regardless of Martz' praise of Shawn Bryson, I believe he won't be much more than an afterthought (especially later in the season).
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.) Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
Chase,I agree Bryson is an underrated RB. However, with Jones & Calhoun ahead of him on the depth chart (Calhoun may be behind Bryson now, but it won't be long before he passes him, IMO), I don't believe Bryson will able to get much PT (unless it's at FB). As good as a receiver as Bryson is, Calhoun is better (or will be). Calhoun is one of the best (if not the best) pass-catching RBs to come out of college in a long time.

 
“When you break [football] down to its simplest form, it’s a simple game. The complexities of the game happen when you start adding the ‘x’s and ‘o’s and all the theory as to why you’re doing it and what you’re trying to get a guy to do and all that. But the basics of it are pretty simple and the base of the simplicity is in fundamentals.”

Running back Kevin Jones is a prime example of returning to fundamentals. Entering his third NFL season, Jones is striving for a breakout year, and Marinelli and the coaching staff are looking to put a lot on his shoulders.

But in order to get him prepared for all that would be asked of him, they needed to take him back to the basics. Throughout the team’s conditioning program, he worked diligently on the jugs machine and took extra passes from the quarterbacks after practice to work on his ball skills and also worked overtime on his pass-protection.
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_displ...ument_id=445618
Thanks for the links Righetti. I wouldn't call this one quote Martz "constantly" saying this but I get your point.
 
“When you break [football] down to its simplest form, it’s a simple game. The complexities of the game happen when you start adding the ‘x’s and ‘o’s and all the theory as to why you’re doing it and what you’re trying to get a guy to do and all that. But the basics of it are pretty simple and the base of the simplicity is in fundamentals.”

Running back Kevin Jones is a prime example of returning to fundamentals. Entering his third NFL season, Jones is striving for a breakout year, and Marinelli and the coaching staff are looking to put a lot on his shoulders.

But in order to get him prepared for all that would be asked of him, they needed to take him back to the basics. Throughout the team’s conditioning program, he worked diligently on the jugs machine and took extra passes from the quarterbacks after practice to work on his ball skills and also worked overtime on his pass-protection.
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_displ...ument_id=445618
Thanks for the links Righetti. I wouldn't call this one quote Martz "constantly" saying this but I get your point.
I remember one quote earlier this year where Martz said something about KJ having to become a back that is on the field all three downs.. I can't seem to find it with a quick search.. but I'll see if I can find itEDITED TO ADD link and BLURB

Under Mariucci, for instance, running back Kevin Jones was pulled during games and replaced with "speciality" players, depending on the situation: third down, blitz protections, two-minute drill, etc.

"We won't do that with him, so he has to do it all, and he's accepted that very well," Martz said. "He's a well-rounded back. There's a lot for him to learn."

So, being in the No. 1 position on the depth chart is extremely important. And that's why it was interesting to watch Thursday's morning practice, which featured a combination of 60 plays of both seven-on-seven and team drills.
 
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Lions Jones, Williams Will Lead Martz's New "Show"

Mike Fowler

6/27/2006

Just as impressive knifing through the line of scrimmage, making the cut around the end and especially catching the ball out of the backfield has been Kevin Jones.

Jones looks like a star in waiting, ready to be showcased in an offense that suits his immense talents. And give him credit for putting in the extra work catching the football this offseason. Jones loves the 'work-til-you-drop' philosophy of head coach Rod Marinell. "For me, I've always been that way," said the likeable Jones.

His improvement in catching the ball has been stunning. While he isn't Marshall Faulk-like just yet, he is the kind of durable back who gets better with more touches that Martz desires. Jones is a true bellcow ready to take on 25-35 touches in a game and produce.

"He's done a great job with [catching the ball]. They put him on the JUGS machine, I guess about the last two months, Wilbert (Montgomery) has, and he's very comfortable catching the ball right now. He's really a well-rounded back. In the protections he does a nice job of breaking down and taking guys on, he understands it. There's a lot for him to learn. When you're the premier ballcarrier, you kind of have a role as that, and then you kind of (think) "we'll get somebody else to do those (other) things. We don't do that with him, he has to do it all and he's accepted that very well."

His progress has been so impressive that last year's competition, Artose Pinner who regularly split time with him, appears to be an afterthought and a longshot to even make the squad.Veteran Arlen Harris has supplanted Pinner as the backup and even longtime Lions veteran Cory Schlesinger appears to be an odd-man.

http://lions.scout.com
 
Dollar to a doughnut Brian Calhoun sees significant time by mid-season, & it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes their feature back at some point this year. Certainly sometime in '07, IMO.

I see it as a combination of Kevin Jones not fullfilling his potential & Brian Calhoun's ability to fit Mike Martz' offense. And regardless of Martz' praise of Shawn Bryson, I believe he won't be much more than an afterthought (especially later in the season).
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.) Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
Ohhhh for shame ... that looks like your being a little selective on the stat selection ... in 2003 Bryson's YPC average was 3.8 on 158 rushes ... in 2000 the only other year Bryson rushed more than 150 times he averaged 3.7 per rush .. sure your stated figures look good but come on now ... dig just a little deeper Chase ... :football:
 
Lions Jones, Williams Will Lead Martz's New "Show"

Mike Fowler

6/27/2006

Just as impressive knifing through the line of scrimmage, making the cut around the end and especially catching the ball out of the backfield has been Kevin Jones.

Jones looks like a star in waiting, ready to be showcased in an offense that suits his immense talents. And give him credit for putting in the extra work catching the football this offseason. Jones loves the 'work-til-you-drop' philosophy of head coach Rod Marinell. "For me, I've always been that way," said the likeable Jones.

His improvement in catching the ball has been stunning. While he isn't Marshall Faulk-like just yet, he is the kind of durable back who gets better with more touches that Martz desires. Jones is a true bellcow ready to take on 25-35 touches in a game and produce.

"He's done a great job with [catching the ball]. They put him on the JUGS machine, I guess about the last two months, Wilbert (Montgomery) has, and he's very comfortable catching the ball right now. He's really a well-rounded back. In the protections he does a nice job of breaking down and taking guys on, he understands it. There's a lot for him to learn. When you're the premier ballcarrier, you kind of have a role as that, and then you kind of (think) "we'll get somebody else to do those (other) things. We don't do that with him, he has to do it all and he's accepted that very well."

His progress has been so impressive that last year's competition, Artose Pinner who regularly split time with him, appears to be an afterthought and a longshot to even make the squad.Veteran Arlen Harris has supplanted Pinner as the backup and even longtime Lions veteran Cory Schlesinger appears to be an odd-man.

http://lions.scout.com
Nice work.
 
I was in Detroit yesterday and heard Tom Kowalski on the radio and he said that Mike Martz thinks that "the Lions will go only as far as Kevin Jones can take them"

 
Kevin Jones is again being overhyped.

Get off the bandwagon and admit it, he's a good player, not great. Bryson is an OUTSTANDING pass catching RB.

The O'line sucks. The QBs aren't that good.

3rd round he's good. No better than that, and there's still risk...

 
Until Kevin Jones looks good not pulling himself out of games in the 2nd quarter with leg bruises, I'll be avoiding him completely.

But thanks, nice try, Martz.

 
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.) Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
 
I still really like Bryson as a late round sleeper. Glad to see he's impressing Martz.I wonder if Martz thinks Drummond could be his Az-Zahir Hakim, and if he'll be the third WR.
Look for Mike Furrey to have the Az-Hakim role. Not third WR, but Az's role.Also, bryson has been the FB for alot of OTA's and camp, look for Bryson/Jones on the field together and Corey to be a goal-line special teamer, more than starting FB.
 
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.)

Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
I think he already addressed that...
 
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.)

Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
I think he already addressed that...
Maybe. My point was how many of those runs were in long situations. How about 2nd and very long? Sometimes clubs give up the run on 2nd and 25 as well. This was a pretty weak offense last year. They might have found themselves in 2nd and a mile often.
 
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Dollar to a doughnut Brian Calhoun sees significant time by mid-season, & it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes their feature back at some point this year. Certainly sometime in '07, IMO.

I see it as a combination of Kevin Jones not fullfilling his potential & Brian Calhoun's ability to fit Mike Martz' offense. And regardless of Martz' praise of Shawn Bryson, I believe he won't be much more than an afterthought (especially later in the season).
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.) Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
Chase,I agree Bryson is an underrated RB. However, with Jones & Calhoun ahead of him on the depth chart (Calhoun may be behind Bryson now, but it won't be long before he passes him, IMO), I don't believe Bryson will able to get much PT (unless it's at FB). As good as a receiver as Bryson is, Calhoun is better (or will be). Calhoun is one of the best (if not the best) pass-catching RBs to come out of college in a long time.
I'd tend to agree with you. Having KJ, I felt like I had to draft Calhoun at 1.11, because he is a potential homerun player. Having insurance for a hot/cold guy like KJ makes sense anyways.
 
'righetti' is to kevin jones as 'george jefferson' is to william green :hey:

very few people doubt kevin jones ability. too bad very few people trust the kids heart

KJ misses too many plays during games and he doesn't fight through enough nagging injuries to get it done over an entire season. maybe marinelli and martz can change that mentality around, but until they do we'll see the same kevin jones

 
'righetti' is to kevin jones as 'george jefferson' is to william green :hey: very few people doubt kevin jones ability. too bad very few people trust the kids heartKJ misses too many plays during games and he doesn't fight through enough nagging injuries to get it done over an entire season. maybe marinelli and martz can change that mentality around, but until they do we'll see the same kevin jones
I dunno about this, his heart is fine IMO, he had nagging injuries last year. Playing bangedup is one thing, playing Injured in another.
 
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.)

Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
This would seem to bear out what you're saying:
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CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st FIRST DOWN 0 10 38 3.8 11 0 1 SECOND DOWN 0 35 116 3.3 14 0 3 THIRD DOWN 0 19 152 8.0 77 1 8FOURTH DOWN 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0
 
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Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.)

Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
This would seem to bear out what you're saying:
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CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st FIRST DOWN 0 10 38 3.8 11 0 1 SECOND DOWN 0 35 116 3.3 14 0 3 THIRD DOWN 0 19 152 8.0 77 1 8FOURTH DOWN 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0
I don't think it would. I'm not sure where BGP's post is coming from, since I specifically mentioned Bryson's numbers on third and long. Bryson had a 77 yard TD on a 3rd and 5 or 6. That would inflate the rest of his numbers, obviously. Of course, having a 77 yard run against the Ravens is pretty good too.
 
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.)

Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
This would seem to bear out what you're saying:
CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st FIRST DOWN 0 10 38 3.8 11 0 1 SECOND DOWN 0 35 116 3.3 14 0 3 THIRD DOWN 0 19 152 8.0 77 1 8FOURTH DOWN 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0
I don't think it would. I'm not sure where BGP's post is coming from, since I specifically mentioned Bryson's numbers on third and long. Bryson had a 77 yard TD on a 3rd and 5 or 6. That would inflate the rest of his numbers, obviously. Of course, having a 77 yard run against the Ravens is pretty good too.
So we're now back to the count-everything-except-big-plays theory again?OK, I'll play. Here's his ypa on 1st, 2nd & 3rd downs if you eliminate the longest run in each category:

3.2

3.0

4.2

 
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Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.)

Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
This would seem to bear out what you're saying:
CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st FIRST DOWN 0 10 38 3.8 11 0 1 SECOND DOWN 0 35 116 3.3 14 0 3 THIRD DOWN 0 19 152 8.0 77 1 8FOURTH DOWN 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0
I don't think it would. I'm not sure where BGP's post is coming from, since I specifically mentioned Bryson's numbers on third and long. Bryson had a 77 yard TD on a 3rd and 5 or 6. That would inflate the rest of his numbers, obviously. Of course, having a 77 yard run against the Ravens is pretty good too.
So we're now back to the count-everything-except-big-plays theory again?
:confused: I'm advocating for Bryson. He ranks third on the cumulative YPC list of the past two seasons for all RBs with at least 100 carries.

1. Tatum Bell

2. LJ

3. Bryson

4. Barber

5. Alexander

 
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.)

Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
This would seem to bear out what you're saying:
CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st FIRST DOWN 0 10 38 3.8 11 0 1 SECOND DOWN 0 35 116 3.3 14 0 3 THIRD DOWN 0 19 152 8.0 77 1 8FOURTH DOWN 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0
I don't think it would. I'm not sure where BGP's post is coming from, since I specifically mentioned Bryson's numbers on third and long. Bryson had a 77 yard TD on a 3rd and 5 or 6. That would inflate the rest of his numbers, obviously. Of course, having a 77 yard run against the Ravens is pretty good too.
So we're now back to the count-everything-except-big-plays theory again?
:confused: I'm advocating for Bryson. He ranks third on the cumulative YPC list of the past two seasons for all RBs with at least 100 carries.

1. Tatum Bell

2. LJ

3. Bryson

4. Barber

5. Alexander
I guess this comment of yours in your reply threw me then:
I don't think it would.
 
Bryson's averaged 4.8 and 5.3 YPC on bad Lions teams the past two seasons, and is a very good receiver. I'm not forgetting about him. And only 9 of his carries last year were in 3rd and 8+ situations last year, so it's not like he was running draws every time. (FWIW, he averaged 4.9 YPC in those situations.)

Obviously it was only on 114 carries, but those high YPC aren't easy to get and are worth keeping an eye on, especially when you factor in his receiving skills.
I haven't kept up with Bryson, but those high YPC may be deceiving. I have seen some Cleveland Browns' RBs put up gaudy YPC but it was because they were primarily third down backs. What would happen is that the Browns would have something like a 3rd and 20 and then call a running play. The defense was happy to give up 15 yards on the ground to force a 4th down and a punt. It happened enough to inflate the guy's YPC a great deal. His high YPC was not indicitive of his skill level.I'm not saying this was the case with Bryson. I'm asking if anyone who follows the Lions and/or Bryson closely knows if this was the case or not.
This would seem to bear out what you're saying:
CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st FIRST DOWN 0 10 38 3.8 11 0 1 SECOND DOWN 0 35 116 3.3 14 0 3 THIRD DOWN 0 19 152 8.0 77 1 8FOURTH DOWN 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0
I don't think it would. I'm not sure where BGP's post is coming from, since I specifically mentioned Bryson's numbers on third and long. Bryson had a 77 yard TD on a 3rd and 5 or 6. That would inflate the rest of his numbers, obviously. Of course, having a 77 yard run against the Ravens is pretty good too.
It depends upon the circumstances of the 77 yard run.Sometimes, a defense on third down will play the secondary up close to the line of scrimmage to clog up the running lanes. There is a risk-reward there, in that you increase the odds of making the stop, but if the ball carrier gets past the first line of defense, he is gonna probably run to the end zone.

If, however, the 77 yard TD was against a more conventional defense, and he made some great cuts and broke some tackles, that is something else.

But we are just looking at numbers, and we cannot assess how good that run was.

 
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Jones is the key to Lions' Marshall plan

Friday, August 04, 2006

By Greg Johnson

The Grand Rapids Press

ALLEN PARK -- Kevin Jones, playing the part of Marshall Faulk in the Motown version of "The Greatest Show on Turf," leaped shoulder pad first into a pass rusher and the resulting leg-tangling collision sent both of the players reeling across the practice field grass.

It took Jones a while to get up.

"I just got hit in the thigh," Jones said after Thursday's morning training camp practice. "It wasn't a knee."

Take some air into those lungs, Detroit Lions fans. You, too, Mike Martz.

Yes, Martz is the offensive coordinator for the Lions now, and yes, he was the architect of the "Greatest Show on Turf" offense in St. Louis.

But Martz's high-scoring offense needs an effective runner to work properly. Faulk ran up his Hall of Fame numbers while working with Martz.

"Go back and look at any franchise in football, and see how many guys ever had the impact on one that he had for the Rams," Martz said. "He was the key to everything, because when you had Marshall, the defense always had to account for him first."

Martz now turns to Jones in Detroit. He doesn't seem worried, even with Jones' less-than stellar pass-catching reputation. Martz has been satisfied with the progress Jones is making.

"Kevin Jones really understands what we're trying to accomplish," Martz said. "I think he's just going to have a terrific year. I really do."

Jones likes such talk. He has put in extra work, especially with catching the ball. He liked it when he heard that Martz had been hired as offensive coordinator, and he loved it after his first practice in the offense.

"I knew I would get a chance to showcase my ability, and that we would be a better offense and win more games," Jones said.

He especially likes that all the offensive players are involved.

"It's going to be tough for teams to key on any one player or part of the game," he said. "They use everybody. Anybody can get the ball on a play."

Rod Marinelli, new coach of the Lions and the man who lured Martz to Detroit, has a love jones for the offense. And he loves Jones.

"He has a chance to be something special," he said.

Jones, taken with the 30th pick of the first round in 2004, looked special in the last month of his rookie year, rushing for 628 yards in five games. He led the Lions in rushing for the year with 1,133 yards and was named an alternate to the Pro Bowl.

Last year, in contrast, he had shoulder and elbow problems that caused him to miss three games. He ended up gaining just 564 yards in an offense that was 26th out of 32 in NFL rushing, and 27th in total yards.

"Thinks didn't work out," said Jones, who admitted to frustration with the way he was used in Steve Mariucci's offense.

"Most of the time I thought they could use me better," he said. "I think I'll be used better this year."

It could happen, as long as he keeps getting up from collisions and learns the 45 or so plays that Martz adds almost each day of camp. He is hitting the hole like he did as a rookie. The offensive line is being revamped so there are more holes to hit.

Know this: The pedal-to-the-metal Martz approach, the new motor in Motown, starts with at least the threat of a running game. As Jones goes, so will the Lions.

Send e-mail to the author: gjohnson@grpress.com
Grand Rapids Press

 
I wonder if Martz thinks Drummond could be his Az-Zahir Hakim, and if he'll be the third WR.
As a fellow PSU homer, I thought the same thing. Drummond is definitely fast, and definitely NOT big. Besides Roy Williams, I think none of us has a clue as to who will play how much. I think Martz isn't sure of that right now.
 

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