Kevin Jones... whats the deal? (1 Viewer)

[baronson]

KJones owner here, and is anyone else concerned? not only is he carrying the ball at about 3 YPC (and i realize its Seattle and Chicago, two good defenses), but he got stuffed once at the goalline yesterday, and he's already lost THREE fumbles...

i've got this loser in a keeper league (bought the preseason Martz hype), and was wondering if anyone else is ready to pull the ripcord? he's gone 16 games without 100 yds rushing and i can't remember the last time he had more than 1 TD in a game, but i can tell you its been awhile...

what are everyone's thoughts, and what do the homers have to say? is there talk of calhoun or should i chill out and relax??

 

[sholditch]

he sucks, that's the deal. The next Anthony Thomas cept that he never had as good a year.

 

[Avery]

My thoughts are that he is clearly one of the centerpieces of the Detroit offense. He is involved in the passing and running game. Anyone who drafted him should have known that he has faces two of the best rushing defenses the first two weeks and then his schedule softens up dramatically.

Don't panic... yet.

 

[reg]

[jwcdvw]

I bet they wish they still had Pinner

[/jwcdvw]

 

[sandlotshrink]

I am concerned about my entire backfield. Not only does KJ suck, but so does L.Jordan, T.Jones, C.Benson, A.Green and T.Bell. T.Bell was the "Start of the Week" on cbs.sportsline - enough said!

 

[gman8343]

I am concerned about my entire backfield. Not only does KJ suck, but so does L.Jordan, T.Jones, C.Benson, A.Green and T.Bell. T.Bell was the "Start of the Week" on cbs.sportsline - enough said!

I must admit, I am concerned about sandlot's entire backfield as well...

 

[Steelers4Life]

My thoughts are that he is clearly one of the centerpieces of the Detroit offense. He is involved in the passing and running game. Anyone who drafted him should have known that he has faces two of the best rushing defenses the first two weeks and then his schedule softens up dramatically.Don't panic... yet.

Exactly.In my non-PPR league, he's RB29, maybe a spot lower after tonight.In my PPR league, he's RB 20, likely to fall a couple spots after tonight.After two games against the Seahawks and Bears, I'm very happy with that. And if you've watched him, he's running well although the fumbles are a concern.On the goal-line play, he didn't get stuffed. I can't remember if the middle was so clogged that he had to bounce it outside or the play was designed to go that way, but Urlacher forced him to head to the pile-on instead of cutting it towards the endzone. He missed the corner by about 6 inches.

 

[Sabertooth]

You knew early on that his schedule was rough. You accepted that risk back in August. Accept it for what it is now.

> Detroit is learning a new offense.

> I'd imagine back in August you figured this would be a rocky start. It has been, nothing changed. Seattle and Chicago are tough defenses. Both were top NFC teams last season. St. Louis is coming up as is Green Bay, and Buffalo, none of which are in a class with Seattle of Chicago.

> He is being featured. Martz loves him. It's just a matter of time until that opportunity turns into production.

 

[matuski]

You knew early on that his schedule was rough. You accepted that risk back in August. Accept it for what it is now.> Detroit is learning a new offense. > I'd imagine back in August you figured this would be a rocky start. It has been, nothing changed. Seattle and Chicago are tough defenses. Both were top NFC teams last season. St. Louis is coming up as is Green Bay, and Buffalo, none of which are in a class with Seattle of Chicago.> He is being featured. Martz loves him. It's just a matter of time until that opportunity turns into production.

His playoff schedule is much better than Seattle/Chicago.

 

[comfortably numb]

I traded Gonzo for Jones straight up before yesterdays games.

I needed another sure starter as a RB.

I have

Parker

MBell

McAlister

Barlow

The latter 3 are involved in some sort of RBBC.

Jones was the best deal I could get for a starting RB

He's got

Minn

@GB

CHI

for the playoffs,

I may consider reshipping him for someone who has a better playoff schedule.

We will see, I still think he could have some good value.

Im praying for a miniFaulk

 

[baronson]

You knew early on that his schedule was rough. You accepted that risk back in August. Accept it for what it is now.> Detroit is learning a new offense. > I'd imagine back in August you figured this would be a rocky start. It has been, nothing changed. Seattle and Chicago are tough defenses. Both were top NFC teams last season. St. Louis is coming up as is Green Bay, and Buffalo, none of which are in a class with Seattle of Chicago.> He is being featured. Martz loves him. It's just a matter of time until that opportunity turns into production.

all fair points, but anyone with a brain has to be VERY concerned about losing three fumbles in 26 carries. if he was blowing up for 5.5 YPC along the way, i might not sound the alarm. but although the only plays i've seen are highlights, the numbers on paper don't look good. thus, my call-out to the homers....but it sounds like i'm more or less alone here, which is good. i get a little panicked when when a guy is laying more than 1 in every 10 carries on the carpet...

 

[imeimex]

My thoughts are that he is clearly one of the centerpieces of the Detroit offense. He is involved in the passing and running game. Anyone who drafted him should have known that he has faces two of the best rushing defenses the first two weeks and then his schedule softens up dramatically.Don't panic... yet.

Exactly.In my non-PPR league, he's RB29, maybe a spot lower after tonight.In my PPR league, he's RB 20, likely to fall a couple spots after tonight.After two games against the Seahawks and Bears, I'm very happy with that. And if you've watched him, he's running well although the fumbles are a concern.On the goal-line play, he didn't get stuffed. I can't remember if the middle was so clogged that he had to bounce it outside or the play was designed to go that way, but Urlacher forced him to head to the pile-on instead of cutting it towards the endzone. He missed the corner by about 6 inches.

I am not a Kevin Jones owner, but you would have to be encouraged with the way that Martz is using him. Even when they were down by a ton Martz continued to feed him the ball, and he rarely left the field even in passing situations which he has done in the past. The Bears have a way of getting into players minds which is what I credit the fumbles to. Their schedule looks very good in the near future, I think K Jones sligtly outplays his draft slot.

 

[menobrown]

I'm in a PPR league and not the least bit concerned. I've been on this board for a few months saying he was going to catch 60 passes and it appears I low balled him.

The line just got one starter back I believe and another starter is due back soon. Both the line and new offense are going to take time to get in addition to the scedule getting easier.

At this point, I'm only concerned about the ramifications of the fumbling.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The problem is that he plays for Detroit. Things have NOT changed there yet. Stupid penalties, immature guarantees, dropped passes...etc. Will things change, GOD I hope so (DET fan forced by geographical location). KJ has greatly improved his receiving skills and he runs harder than 95% of the backs in the league. DET needs to eliminate penalties and sharpen the downfield passing attack before he hits on all cylinders.

 

[dickey moe]

His FF scoring exceeded his FBGs projections this week.

 

[Rounders]

I think that he's a great buy low candidate right now, I'm targeting him in my leagues becuase of his upcoming schedule.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

My thoughts are that he is clearly one of the centerpieces of the Detroit offense. He is involved in the passing and running game. Anyone who drafted him should have known that he has faces two of the best rushing defenses the first two weeks and then his schedule softens up dramatically.Don't panic... yet.

I agree with this, but the fumbles are not good. Not so much for the -2 points per pop, but that if he keeps it up he'll earn a bench seat with the quickness.

 

[baronson]

My thoughts are that he is clearly one of the centerpieces of the Detroit offense. He is involved in the passing and running game. Anyone who drafted him should have known that he has faces two of the best rushing defenses the first two weeks and then his schedule softens up dramatically.Don't panic... yet.

I agree with this, but the fumbles are not good. Not so much for the -2 points per pop, but that if he keeps it up he'll earn a bench seat with the quickness.

ok, i think we're all in agreement, but this week he landed 44 yds on 12 carries, with a 29 yarder. that leaves 11 carries for 15 yards on his other touches, plus two lost fumbles. i can see people pointing to the new offense, problems with the line, and the tough opening games, but only a fool doesn't see a potential problem here. remember, this is the same Bears D that gave up 100+ to ahman green last week, and i know most of us were digging him (green) a 6 ft hole in August....

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

He also had 6 grabs for another 40 (roughly)

85 combined yards and 6 catches....not lighting the world on fire but doing just fine as an RB2 in ppr leagues. Non-PPR leagues, not so good.

 

[Sabertooth]

My thoughts are that he is clearly one of the centerpieces of the Detroit offense. He is involved in the passing and running game. Anyone who drafted him should have known that he has faces two of the best rushing defenses the first two weeks and then his schedule softens up dramatically.Don't panic... yet.

I agree with this, but the fumbles are not good. Not so much for the -2 points per pop, but that if he keeps it up he'll earn a bench seat with the quickness.

ok, i think we're all in agreement, but this week he landed 44 yds on 12 carries, with a 29 yarder. that leaves 11 carries for 15 yards on his other touches, plus two lost fumbles. i can see people pointing to the new offense, problems with the line, and the tough opening games, but only a fool doesn't see a potential problem here. remember, this is the same Bears D that gave up 100+ to ahman green last week, and i know most of us were digging him (green) a 6 ft hole in August....

Yeah and Antonio Bryant didn't do much if you take away his long TD either. You can't do that. Remember he was playing what is quite possibly the best defense since the Super Bowl Ravens too. What a fool doesn't see is that Ahman Green had several of his runs on draws late in the game vs. a prevent defense. The Packers were out of the game at that point. If you don't like KJ, that's cool too, trade him or cut him. I think that would be a mistake.

 

[jonessed]

As others have stated his slow start was to be expected. He actually isn't running all that bad considering the defenses he has faced. He runs hard. My only concern are the fumbles. If he can hang onto the ball I think his season could turn around pretty quickly as the schedule softens.

 

[Blueb]

"85 combined yards and 6 catches....not lighting the world on fire but doing just fine as an RB2 in ppr leagues. Non-PPR leagues, not so good."

I think the secnd half of that sentence is key.

KJ is not, never has been, and IMO never will be an RB stud. If you drafted him in the 2nd round thinking you were getting a stud on sale -- you did not. If you drafted him in the 2nd round expecting top 10 RB performance you will be disappointed. H

e will probably wind up as a serviceable RB2 in 12 team leagues, but no more than that. He's just not that good...

 

[my man otis]

if you want to buy a RB low, it's THIS guy, NOT Jordan. He might even come just as cheap.

I won't go over the reasons again (just read above).

 

[menobrown]

KJ is not, never has been, and IMO never will be an RB stud.

That's not true. He has has been a stud before for half his rookie season so we know he has the ablility.

 

[Sabertooth]

if you want to buy a RB low, it's THIS guy, NOT Jordan. He might even come just as cheap.I won't go over the reasons again (just read above).

The key point being that the Lions have a viable NFL coaching staff and the Raiders don't. I think the Raiders will in fact be picking first next season. I said it in preseason and I say it again.I think the Lions will experience growing pains. But according to the Ultimate SOS (without going into detail) they have a pretty favorable rush schedule from here on out. I just traded for Jones instead of trading for Lamont Jordan last week. I pretty much expected him to fall on his face last week.Now this week, in Detroit, I expect him to be better but not great against the Packers. A.J. Hawk is one strong linebacker and Nick Barnett can play as well. This game may see KJ catch 6-8 balls though. I think about 80-100 combined yards this week and a 50% chances of scoring is about right. Roy Williams is certainly going to have fun this weekend, I can tell you that much. The Packers secondary is the weakest unit on the team.

 

[H.K.]

i can see people pointing to the new offense, problems with the line, and the tough opening games, but only a fool doesn't see a potential problem here.

Line stinks, not too sure how it will get any better. However, the o-line isn't the reason the ball is hitting the turf, either. KJ is a bust, its why they drafted Calhoun.

 

[menobrown]

i can see people pointing to the new offense, problems with the line, and the tough opening games, but only a fool doesn't see a potential problem here.

Line stinks, not too sure how it will get any better. However, the o-line isn't the reason the ball is hitting the turf, either. KJ is a bust, its why they drafted Calhoun.

The line just got one starter back this week and the other is expected back next week. They also won't be playing the Bears and Seahawks each week.

 

[Spartans Rule]

i can see people pointing to the new offense, problems with the line, and the tough opening games, but only a fool doesn't see a potential problem here.

Line stinks, not too sure how it will get any better. However, the o-line isn't the reason the ball is hitting the turf, either. KJ is a bust, its why they drafted Calhoun.

The line just got one starter back this week and the other is expected back next week. They also won't be playing the Bears and Seahawks each week.

Ross Verba should improve the line a little, but it's still going to be a mediocre-at-best unit.

 

[menobrown]

i can see people pointing to the new offense, problems with the line, and the tough opening games, but only a fool doesn't see a potential problem here.

Line stinks, not too sure how it will get any better. However, the o-line isn't the reason the ball is hitting the turf, either. KJ is a bust, its why they drafted Calhoun.

The line just got one starter back this week and the other is expected back next week. They also won't be playing the Bears and Seahawks each week.

Ross Verba should improve the line a little, but it's still going to be a mediocre-at-best unit.

True, the line will not be great but should improve when they get everyone back and than learn how to work together.

 

[Fantaholic]

In the overall scheme I think there is reason to be cautiously optimistic about KJ.

First of all, after last season I don't think anybody was expecting RB1 numbers from KJ and should have drafted accordingly. In fact if you watched him last season, or even worse had him on your team, then you probably drafted him this year with hopes of him being a possible RB2. With that said expectations for KJ should have been far less going into this year than last.

So, let's take a look at all the positives so far this year.

Martz comes in saying that he envisions a Faulk type role for KJ. So far, you have to feel good about his chances of succeeding this year as a RB2:

After two weeks he has 11 receptions, which is tied for first on his team. He had 20 receptions ALL of last season.

He has averaged 13 carries a game, versus 11 from last year. That number can only go up based on the fact that they were getting there arses handed to them in both of their first games and needed to throw the ball.

His YPC is a measely 3.0, but he has started his season out against 2 of the very best run defenses in the NFL.

And, you can't discount the fact that there is no Pinner there anymore, or any legitimate RB to take carries away.

With that said I think KJ owners that drafted him in the appropriate round this year have reason to be excited that he can fill the RB2/RB3 role that he was drafted to fill. I drafted him as my RB3, and I'm not worried. Martz is putting his chips on him, and say what you want about Martz, but he will get more production out of this offense by year's end.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I am concerned about my entire backfield. Not only does KJ suck, but so does L.Jordan, T.Jones, C.Benson, A.Green and T.Bell. T.Bell was the "Start of the Week" on cbs.sportsline - enough said!

I must admit, I am concerned about sandlot's entire backfield as well...

Dude, tour backfield sucks