Kolb was calling out Eagles plays to Ariz. defense (1 Viewer)

[GregR]

Interesting. I recall back during Spygate some of the arguments about how tapes of signals from previous years wouldn't help anyone because NFL coaches are too smart to keep using the same signals, etc.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/16/kolb-was-calling-out-eagles-plays-to-arizona-defense/

Kolb was calling out Eagles’ plays to Arizona defensePosted by Mike Florio on November 16, 2011, 1:51 PM ESTIf you watched Wednesday’s PFT Live, you heard Cardinals quarterback Kevin Kolb telling Glen Macnow and Anthony Gargano of 94 WIP in Philly that, during Sunday’s game at Philadelphia, Kolb was calling out the Eagles’ plays to the Arizona defense.If you didn’t watch Wednesday’s PFT Live, thanks for nothing.The entire interview is posted at the WIP website, and Sheil Kapadia of philly.com has transcribed portions of it.“During the two-minute drill, you almost feel guilty,” Kolb said. “Mike’s sitting there giving the signals, and I’m standing there on our sidelines, screaming at our corners, ‘Hey it’s a go ball, hey he’s running a screen, hey he’s running a slant.’”It’s unknown whether and to what extent all of the struggles of the 2011 Eagles can be blamed on coach Andy Reid. The failure to change signals and formations and other things that a guy who spent four years with the team as a quarterback could use to help an opposing defense falls squarely on Reid, especially since Reid knew that Kolb likely wouldn’t be playing — and thus able to loiter on the sidelines when the defense was on the field, in lieu of working with the offensive coaches.

 

[LawFitz]

At least it didn't happen during a Superbowl.

 

[Concept Coop]

Wow. Andy.

 

[Grahamburn]

At least it didn't happen during a Superbowl.

That defense murdered everyone. The Raiders just got it a bit worse with the Bucs knowing the plays. for Kolb.

 

[jojoh07]

Yes from 3rd q on he kept yelling pass , pass , pass . not hard to figure out w dumbo as our coach

 

[Khy]

I think it's fantastic. How bad can you be as a coach to not change your checks and looks knowing that your former starting QB would be playing you that season. Just dumb, Andy was asking to lose that game.

 

[todisco1]

That's the best game Kolb had all year.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Wow. Andy.

Maybe he just forgoted about Kolb.

 

[Amused to Death]

Andy is smarter than everyone else. No one will ever make him change what he does. Do not ever question what Andy does.

"Andy, why didn't you have Nnamdi cover Fitzgerald the whole game?"

"We did something different. That wasn't the plan."

"Andy, why didn't McCoy touch the ball for 13 minutes late in the game when you had the lead?"

"We had a different plan there."

 

[FavreCo]

Maybe he is not just fat. Maybe he is fat and too lazy to change the signals. My gawd is that guy fat.

 

[Joe Summer]

That's the best game Kolb had all year.

So true!

 

[rizzler]

Maybe he is not just fat. Maybe he is fat and too lazy to change the signals. My gawd is that guy fat.

And not fat in a cool way, like Haynesworth. That boy got 100+ to be fat, lazy and a #####. That's talent. Andy is just sloppy fat.

 

[Please See Mine]

Andy is smarter than everyone else. No one will ever make him change what he does. Do not ever question what Andy does."Andy, why didn't you have Nnamdi cover Fitzgerald the whole game?""We did something different. That wasn't the plan.""Andy, why didn't McCoy touch the ball for 13 minutes late in the game when you had the lead?""We had a different plan there."

That's just the way we worked it.

 

[GregR]

Opportunities missed. Eagles could have taken their signal for a curl and started using it for a double move. Make two calls with signals that weren't changed so Kolb and the corners felt like they had a handle on what was being called, then burn the corner for a touchdown when he tries to jump the route.

 

[rizzler]

Opportunities missed. Eagles could have taken their signal for a curl and started using it for a double move. Make two calls with signals that weren't changed so Kolb and the corners felt like they had a handle on what was being called, then burn the corner for a touchdown when he tries to jump the route.

With who? DeSean?Don't be silly.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Kevin Kolb (toe, foot) did not practice on Wednesday, but did perform some "football moves" off to the side of the workout.

 

[CravenM]

Hell hath no fury like an ex-Quarterback traded

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

An eye-opening read for me was Pat Kirwan's KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL, which discussed the compressed time periods and complexities of installing a whole new playbook, adjusting a team to a system and vice versa, let alone the minutiae of adjusting on-field play calls.

No question teams do this -- especially against division rivals -- and cycle through codes (colors, directions, numbers, whatever) to keep the opposing team from knowing what play is coming at them.

But the logistics and complexity of doing this are such that it makes it hard for a team to do this constantly.

Would think that Andy Reid knew that Kolb had familiarity with their audible calls, and what kinds of plays they ran out of what formations in what situations. The fact that a coach calls in plays from the side to teh QBs helmet mitigates this a little, but I suspect Reid didn't have the time or the ability to install a whole new nomenclature for every situation and every play in the Eagle's book just because Kolb was on the other side of the ball.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

sounds like kolb just cost the cards next year's first rounder.

 

[kellumsboys]

glad to see Kolb finally earning some of that fat contract

 

[azgroover]

If only DRC had paid attention during his days in AZ, he could have done the same for his new team.

 

[GregR]

sounds like kolb just cost the cards next year's first rounder.

How so?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Opportunities missed. Eagles could have taken their signal for a curl and started using it for a double move. Make two calls with signals that weren't changed so Kolb and the corners felt like they had a handle on what was being called, then burn the corner for a touchdown when he tries to jump the route.

this is like asking someone who cant do basic math to do algebra.

 

[Ray_T]

I dont see what the big deal is. Andy's playbook isnt gonna change a bunch in only one year. Kolb could probably tell most of the plays by the formation and who goes in motion. Andy should know this going into the game and should have planned a couple of trick plays to throw em off.

the signals likely narrow it down from a choice of 2 or 3 plays (based on formation) to one individual play. You could say Kolb helped them, but I would argue that most teams who breakdown the tapes of games properly know what they are looking at regardless. the onus is upon the eagles to execute here. In this case, I would say they didnt execute in an efficient manner.

 

[CalBear]

Opportunities missed. Eagles could have taken their signal for a curl and started using it for a double move. Make two calls with signals that weren't changed so Kolb and the corners felt like they had a handle on what was being called, then burn the corner for a touchdown when he tries to jump the route.

Didn't they do that on The Brady Bunch?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Just like Choice will be calling out Dallas' plays this week....

Shannihan isn't dumb. Choice isn't necessarily there to start anytime soon IMHO. He's there to beat the Cowboys and provide depth.

 

[Topes]

Opportunities missed. Eagles could have taken their signal for a curl and started using it for a double move. Make two calls with signals that weren't changed so Kolb and the corners felt like they had a handle on what was being called, then burn the corner for a touchdown when he tries to jump the route.

Didn't they do that on The Brady Bunch?

Nope. Dad stopped Greg from going through with it, because it was wrong.(I still disagree. I'm in complete agreement about not doing the laundry detergent commercial. That's obviously wrong. But the fake playbook trick was totally groovy. I think Mike was just being uptight because Tank Gates was coming to town. In the immortal words of Suzy Kolber to Joe Namath, "It was just vaporlock.")